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Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by GoldenChiddy: 8:29pm On Oct 19, 2017
Okwu ID is an Igbo Cultural group from the UK. Trying to keep Igbo culture alive.



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Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Ngozi123(f): 2:12pm On Oct 20, 2017
rlauncher:


When Azikiwe became governor-general and later on president in alliance with the north, the Yorubas suddenly find out that it was extremely difficult for them to find employment in the civil service, while it was much easier for Igbo people, leaving the Igbo people in absolute control of the Federal civil service. We understood that to be the actual reason Azikiwe dumped alliance with Awolowo's party for Sir Ahmadu Bello's party-opportunity to dominate at the federal level.

Never believe it when some historians tell you that Igbo dominance in the 60's was on merit. There was nothing statistically or scientific in any way, going by the demography and social mileuo of the nation to justify or prove that assertion.

It’s amazing, really; nothing you’ve said here has actually challenged what I said in my previous post undecided.

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Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by rlauncher(m): 7:29pm On Oct 20, 2017
Ngozi123:


It’s amazing, really; nothing you’ve said here has actually challenged what I said in my previous post undecided.

We have no regret that we took our own destiny in our own hands in the 50's election. Imagine where we would be today with an Azikiwe with Igbo agenda in Western Nigeria.

By the way, that Whiteman whose history book you've been touting is absolutely unqualified to tell us our history.

One of the worst thing that can happen to you is for an outsider to your issues to be the one to help you write your history.

That history book has too many gaps in it.

What I have written here about Azikiwe and Awolowo are more correct than what is in that history book.

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Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by laudate: 3:06pm On Oct 21, 2017
7lives:
Go and see what S.L Akintola said concerning this matter on YouTube.
I will FOREVER remain grateful to PA AWOLOWO for putting a STOP to the attempted Colonization of SW, by the USELESS one Nigerianists who are wailing secession today, because they JUST could not succeed, no matter how hard they tried.

Hmmnnn.... SLA was a man who thought deeply about many things. When soldiers stormed his house, he fought bravely and did not run away like Kanu did.

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Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Ovamboland(m): 3:53pm On Oct 21, 2017
Egbé Ọmọ Odùduwà, was a Nigerian political organisation established in 1945, when Chief Obafemi Awolowo along with Dr. Oni Akerele, Chief Akintola Williams, Professor Saburi Biobaku, Chief Abiodun Akinrele, Chief D.O. A Oguntoye, Chief Ayo Rosiji and others, met in London.[1] Their stated aim in setting up the organisation was to unite the Yorùbá in a manner similar to the tenets of the Ibibio State Union and the Ibo Federal Union; which were political action committees of the Ibibio and the Igbo respectively......
Yoruba politicians in Lagos led by Chief Bode Thomas formed the group in response to the afore-mentioned ethnically specific organisations, and also to chart a specific course for the development of Nigeria's Western Region, populated overwhelmingly by Yorubas.

Where was Paul Unogo whne the Ibo union and Ibibio union was formed? When others congregate on tribal forum, that is not the beginning of tribalism? When other people in Northern region and Eastern region have a firm grip on their own regional elections that was never the beginning of tribalism. It only becomes tribalism when Yoruba insists that what obtains in other regions must be applicable in the West.

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Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by rlauncher(m): 3:19pm On Oct 26, 2017
Ovamboland:


Where was Paul Unogo whne the Ibo union and Ibibio union was formed? When others congregate on tribal forum, that is not the beginning of tribalism? When other people in Northern region and Eastern region have a firm grip on their own regional elections that was never the beginning of tribalism. It only becomes tribalism when Yoruba insists that what obtains in other regions must be applicable in the West.

Don't mind him.

I don't understand why people of other ethnic groups likes throwing unnecessary jabs at us despite the fact that we have always been accomodative of them all.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Rotimik: 3:25pm On Oct 26, 2017
Ovamboland:


Where was Paul Unogo whne the Ibo union and Ibibio union was formed? When others congregate on tribal forum, that is not the beginning of tribalism? When other people in Northern region and Eastern region have a firm grip on their own regional elections that was never the beginning of tribalism. It only becomes tribalism when Yoruba insists that what obtains in other regions must be applicable in the West.

There is nothing wrong with people who share the same identity to form an organisation to promote their progress and development.

I don't understand how anyone in his right mind could conceive that as tribalism.

In the UK, the Scottish people have a political party that promotes their interest in the UK parliament.

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Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Rotimik: 3:33pm On Oct 26, 2017
I don't see why any one could accuse Awolowo of tribalism after he chose to cede the position of Prime Minister to Azikiwe to settle for a lesser post in the NCNC/AG coalition in 1960.

At least Awolowo tried to make up, but Azikiwe rejected his overtures.

Igbos should realise that in politics, there is no permanent friend nor enemies. Your political foe yesterday could become your political friend tomorrow.

We should not allow the mishap of yesterday to destroy our today or future
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Danladi7: 3:42pm On Oct 26, 2017
diadem10:


What's this dumb saying?

Why would he attack Unongo for his opinion? All he did was to debunk the basis of Unongo's opinion and you can do that to his as well if you feel you're not okay with his opinion.

No wonder people say Osu and stupidity are quite synonymous!
The whole race is unintelligent.

Atypical Osu and wawa IPOB will attack the messenger instead of the message.They think yorubas are like them.

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Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Danladi7: 3:56pm On Oct 26, 2017
Rotimik:


I don't see why any one could accuse Awolowo of tribalism after he chose to cede the position of Prime Minister to Azikiwe to settle for a lesser post in the NCNC/AG coalition in 1960.

At least Awolowo tried to make up, but Azikiwe rejected his overtures.

Igbos should realise that in politics, there is no permanent friend nor enemies. Your political foe yesterday could become your political friend tomorrow.

We should not allow the mishap of yesterday to destroy our today or future
Igbo people will call yorubas slaves for supporting buhari but will never call themselves slaves for the single act of azikwe and for always supporting northern candidate since 1960 even when Awolowo and Abiola contested in 1979 and 1993 respectively.


yIGBO people are legendary slaves to hausa fulanis since 1960 and Ijaws in 2011 and 2015 and the slavery will continue with Atiku in 2019

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Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Rotimik: 3:57pm On Oct 26, 2017
diadem10:


Yoruba men in the assembly house never voted him. The Ibadan independent group and other small parties voted for Awolowo. Foolish Zik already thought he had them in the bag because they've always voted for his party. Lol.

Yoruba people who voted NCNC candidates into the parliament never had Azikiwe in mind for Premier. They voted the party because it is the only party they had known all along. AG was relatively new to them.

There was no law that says the leader of the party must be premier.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Rotimik: 4:01pm On Oct 26, 2017
diadem10:


Yoruba men in the assembly house never voted him. The Ibadan independent group and other small parties voted for Awolowo. Foolish Zik already thought he had them in the bag because they've always voted for his party. Lol.

They expected Azikiwe to represent the Lagos constituency that sent him to the Western Region parliament, not to claim the premiership as he does not have the support of the majority of the party members for the Premiership.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by rlauncher(m): 4:05pm On Oct 26, 2017
igbodefender:


You are talking of the cross carpeting. Why didn't Awolowo just let the parties alone after the election?! Awolowo usurped the mandate of the Yoruba people by breaking Zik's coalition.

Yoruba that voted for Zik's list were not fools. They knew they could easily vote him out him if he tried any nonsense.

It isn't about Awolowo.

The people chose to put their own destiny in their own hands.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Nobody: 4:10pm On Oct 26, 2017
rlauncher:


It isn't about Awolowo.

The people chose to put their own destiny in their own hands.

It is all about Awolowo, because when the People of the West were voting, they believed they were voting Zik in, not Awo.

It was after the election that all the drama began.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by T9ksy(m): 4:38pm On Oct 26, 2017
rlauncher:


They have forgotten how Azikiwe dumped Awolowo who advised him to take the post of the Prime Minister while Awolowo settles for the post of finance minister, to go form alliance with Sir Ahmadu Bello ,which enabled the northerners to take the Prime Ministership while the northerners made him a figurehead governor general who have no real authority. His hatred for Awolowo and Yoruba people cost the Igbos the opportunity to first rule Nigeria.

Let any Igbo refute this!.


Am afraid the bolded portion above is not entirely true. Recall that the Sardunna was quite averse to the concept of One nigeria on the ground that his educationally-challenged people will be marginalised in the new nation coupled with the fact that, as the sole custodian of their culture, it is his spiritual and social responsibility to maintain their tradition

As a result of the above reasons, the sardunna's condition to going along with One nigeria was that he gets reign of power -that way, nothing gets done in the new country without his say-so. Zik and his people were the only one who were shouting one nigeria then with the hope and expectation that in due course, they will be the Numero uno once the colonialists have been kicked out. That was the sardunna's primary concern and once zik gave in to his request, sir ahmadu bello couldn't even be bothered to come to the center rather he sent one of his minions whilst he remains as the premier of the northern region to oversee to the spiritual, social and economic well-being of his people.

Had Zik chosen to accept Awo's offer, Sir Ahmadu Bello would have gladly taken his people out of the union , oil or no oil. This unfortunately was not the nigeria that zik and his people hope to dominate in the near future. In the end , zik and his people gave in to the sardunna's stipulation in anticipation that in due course, they will be able to out-manoeuvre him and take control of the nation however in the meantime, they will utilise their position in the corridor of power to subjugate and consume the west.

Unfortunately, Akintola "placed a spanner in their works" by aligning with the central govt of Sir Ahmadu bello (5 years after attaining self-rule for the nation) thereby relegating them into the opposition which they weren't prepared for so they opted for plan B- a so-called "revolutionary coup" to finally make a bold grab for power at the center. The rest, as they say, is now history.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Nobody: 4:58pm On Oct 26, 2017
@T9ksy
The January 1966 coupists have said that their aim was to make Awo Prime Minister, a post held by Tafawa Balewa.

Recall that at that time Awolowo was in jail after being convicted of plotting coup against Balewa's government earlier on in 1963.

The coupists were die-hard supporters of Awolowo.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by T9ksy(m): 5:39pm On Oct 26, 2017
igbodefender:
@T9ksy
The January 1966 coupists have said that their aim was to make Awo Prime Minister, a post held by Tafawa Balewa.

Recall that at that time Awolowo was in jail after being convicted of plotting coup against Balewa's government earlier on in 1963.

The coupists were die-hard supporters of Awolowo.


Of course, they were!!! grin

However, there was no movement in calabar where the man was being held at the time o.

Next thing, you will be telling us that Awo actually knew and planned the coup with ibo soldiers from his prison cell.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Nobody: 5:51pm On Oct 26, 2017
T9ksy:



Of course, they were!!! grin

However, there was no movement in calabar where the man was being held at the time o.

Next thing, you will be telling us that Awo actually knew and planned the coup with ibo soldiers from his prison cell.

You can draw your own conclusions based on the facts presented.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Dedetwo(m): 6:23pm On Oct 26, 2017
rlauncher:
This write-up is in response to the interview granted by the highly respected leader of the Arewa Consultative Forum (ACF), Pa Unongo that the late sage, nationalist and former premier of the defunct Western Region of Nigeria ,Chief Obafemi Awolowo was responsible for the introduction of tribal politics in Nigeria.

I wish to unequivocally state here that this is further from the truth. This is not to say that the elderstateman is a liar, as I believe he sincerely spoke based on the information available to him.

We in the southwest who have a good sense of our national history have always known that the late Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe was never the nationalist many people had always wanted us to believe he was because of the many things he did in the then Western Nigeria which were unknown to many people. But we always tried to keep quiet about these things in order not to malign the memory of our great men and for the sake of peace and national unity.

However, when a voice like that of the respected statesman comes casting us, the Yoruba people in bad light as a people responsible for tribal politics in Nigeria, we are left with no choice than to defend our name and integrity and set the record straight.

First, Awolowo did not start tribal politics in Nigeria, Azikiwe actually did.

It all started after Herbert Macaulay , a Yorubaman handed over the reins of the leadership of the National Council of Nigeria and the Cameroon (NCNC), Nigeria's first nationalist political party to Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, an Igboman without rancour. No tribalism. No sooner had Azikiwe took over the rein of the political party than he started filling all the strategic posts in the party with people with people from the Eastern region especially people of Igbo extraction. This essentially transform a once national party into an Eastern or Igbo party. In the process, Chief Obafemi Awolowo and his followers were forced out of a political party founded by a Yorubaland by an Igbo man . This was when the seed of tribal politics was sown by no other person but Azikiwe himself. The Action Group(AG) was founded by Awolowo as a result.

Apart from the above incidence, Azikiwe was using his national political influence to fill most federal positions in the federal civil service mainly with Igbo people in nowhere else but Western Region.That was at a time when the Western region indigenous people, the Yorubas could conveniently field four for every one qualified candidates the Igbo people could muster. A case in point was when about 104 lecturalship positions was made available at the University of Ibadan, the capital if Western Nigeria, and Azikiwe used his influence to ensure that Easterners got 94 of the 104 positions.

These and many other covert actions of Azikiwe in the Western region cost him the premiership as the Yorubas realized before it was too late that he could not be trusted.

I do not know why certain stocks in Nigeria tend to write crap in order to impress their silly selves. There is nobody who handed any party to Azikiwe. In addition, Awolowo was never a member of NCNC. In 1954, Azikiwe appointed a Yari.ba the secretary of eastern regional government. I wish to see the day these twisted group of people will sit truth on its feet.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Dedetwo(m): 6:34pm On Oct 26, 2017
T9ksy:



Yes o! Awo and his civilian colleagues in the AG were arrested for coup plotting by the coalition of the NPC and the NCNC govt.

You forgot that Yari.ba prosecuted, sentenced and jailed Awolowo. All the witnesses were Yari.ba including arresting police officers. If not for the intervention of an Igbo chap, Awolowo would never have seen Nigerian prison in Calabar. He meant to be send to the Nigerian prison in Bauchi where his silly life would have been snuffed out of him by the Abok
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Rotimik: 6:57pm On Oct 26, 2017
Dedetwo:


I do not know why certain stocks in Nigeria tend to write crap in order to impress their silly selves. There is nobody who handed any party to Azikiwe. In addition, Awolowo was never a member of NCNC. In 1954, Azikiwe appointed a Yari.ba the secretary of eastern regional government. I wish to see the day these twisted group of people will sit truth on its feet.

I wonder where you read or learnt your own history. The top echelon and most of the founding members of AG were former NCNC members when Herbert Macaulay was still alive.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Rotimik: 7:00pm On Oct 26, 2017
Dedetwo:


You forgot that Yari.ba prosecuted, sentenced and jailed Awolowo. All the witnesses were Yari.ba including arresting police officers. If not for the intervention of an Igbo chap, Awolowo would never have seen Nigerian prison in Calabar. He meant to be send to the Nigerian prison in Bauchi where his silly life would have been snuffed out of him by the Abok

When your enemies can't get to you, they use your own people who are willing to be used by them.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by T9ksy(m): 7:04pm On Oct 26, 2017
Dedetwo:


You forgot that Yari.ba prosecuted, sentenced and jailed Awolowo. All the witnesses were Yari.ba including arresting police officers. If not for the intervention of an Igbo chap, Awolowo would never have seen Nigerian prison in Calabar. He meant to be send to the Nigerian prison in Bauchi where his silly life would have been snuffed out of him by the Abok


But it's also a known fact that it was the NPC govt backed by aboki's arrse-licking zik, the ugly bride of nigeria's political arena and his shaddy NCNC party that connived (with the ruling party) to bring their (ibo's) ulterior agenda to fruition.

No sooner had Awo being jailed than the mid-west was carved out of the western region whilst both Zik and Tafawa balewa reneged on the agreement of granting same status to the minority group in the east and the north, respectively.

Just because we don't wear our emotions on our sleeves doesn't mean we are oblivious to the intrigue being perpetuated by zik and his covetous greedy group.

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Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by rlauncher(m): 7:11pm On Oct 26, 2017
The idea that Awolowo was involved in a coup was unknown in the military. Only the politicians had such idea at that time. This explains why the northerners treated Awolowo very well after his release from jail. They knew it was all an hoax.

Also that the coup plotters did what they did in order to make Awolowo Prime Minister was a modern creation. A face-saving effort at justifying their actions This was unknown for decades in our history.

People should stop trying to revise our history.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Rotimik: 7:24pm On Oct 26, 2017
igbodefender:
@T9ksy
The January 1966 coupists have said that their aim was to make Awo Prime Minister, a post held by Tafawa Balewa.

Recall that at that time Awolowo was in jail after being convicted of plotting coup against Balewa's government earlier on in 1963.

The coupists were die-hard supporters of Awolowo.

This assertion that the coup was meant to make Awolowo the Prime Minister was, never a part of our history. It was concocted. An afterthought.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by T9ksy(m): 7:27pm On Oct 26, 2017
Rotimik:


I wonder where you read or learnt your own history. The top echelon and most of the founding members of AG were former NCNC members when Herbert Macaulay was still alive.

I think perhaps, you meant the NYM, formerly known as the Lagos Youth movement which gained ascendancy in the Legislative Council over HM's initial NNDP party in 1938.

However, zik killed the party 3 years later citing "tribalism" when its leader H.O.Davies was going abroad for further education. Whilst most of the members including Awo backed Ikoli, zik propped up Adeniran Ogunsanya and when the latter lost the internal election therein, zik took his ibo people out in tow citing tribalism conveniently forgetting that both Awo and Ogunsanya are yorubas whilst Ikoli was ijaw.

The real reason however was that Zik wanted his African pilot newspaper to be the mouthpiece of the party against Ikoli's already entrenched Daily star. Zik has always been a slimy figure.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by rlauncher(m): 7:28pm On Oct 26, 2017
Rotimik:


This assertion that the coup was meant to make Awolowo the Prime Minister was, never a part of our history. It was concocted. An afterthought.

...by revisionist historians.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Nobody: 7:29pm On Oct 26, 2017
Rotimik:


This assertion that the coup was meant to make Awolowo the President was, never a part of our history. It was concocted. An afterthought.

How do you know? Or because something doesn't suit you, you label it as concocted!?
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Rotimik: 7:40pm On Oct 26, 2017
igbodefender:


How do you know? Or because something doesn't suit you, you label it as concocted!?

Before, during and after the civil war all through the years that Awolowo was alive, such assertion was unknown.

Suddenly, just a few years ago, some discredited men started mouthing such things. Do they think we are fools.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by rlauncher(m): 7:53pm On Oct 26, 2017
igbodefender:


How do you know? Or because something doesn't suit you, you label it as concocted!?

Revisionist historians of the 21st century are trying to rewrite our history.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Nobody: 7:57pm On Oct 26, 2017
Rotimik:


Before, during and after the civil war all through the years that Awolowo was alive, such assertion was unknown.

Suddenly, just a few years ago, some discredited men started mouthing such things. Do they think we are fools.

Some JFK files were released today. JFK died over 50 years ago. Does that make today's JFK Files lies?

When you want to convince people of something, use hard facts, not unsubstantiated conjecture.
Re: Azikiwe Many Sins And Why The Yorubas Dumped Him by Nobody: 8:01pm On Oct 26, 2017
rlauncher:


Revisionist historians of the 21st century are trying to rewrite our history.

Revisionism based on truth is truth.

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