4kings:


Mr. Man is it that you're not understanding me or you didn't read what you posted.

There is no explanation up there, i thought the explanation would continue in the link you posted, but i didn't see it.
Check it again.

I gave you 3 different mathematical calculations that proved that the earth was a young earth. I also gave you three biblical verses where the Lord Jesus Christ asserted that the earth is young and lastly I cited what Josephus said about the belief in his day as a young earth and yet you are still pretending to not see it. I can give you one more calculation to prove it but will not see it?

OLAADEGBU:


I gave you 3 different mathematical calculations that proved that the earth was a young earth. I also gave you three biblical verses where the Lord Jesus Christ asserted that the earth is young and lastly I cited what Josephus said about the belief in his day as a young earth and yet you are still pretending to not see it. I can give you one more calculation to prove it but will not see it?

What calculations?
So far only 1 calculation which i debunked, which other 2 are you talking about.

Jesus Christ never said the earth is young, that's just your interpretation of what he said.

It seems you're just copying and pasting without reading, can you show me the calculations you gave? and also how what Jesus said is devoid of interpretations?

4kings:


What calculations?
So far only 1 calculation which i debunked, which other 2 are you talking about.

Jesus Christ never said the earth is young, that's just your interpretation of what he said.

It seems you're just copying and pasting without reading, can you show me the calculations you gave? and also how what Jesus said is devoid of interpretations?

You will need to take off those evolution spectacles that is preventing you from seeing Scriptures and calculations buttressing the truth of a young earth.

OLAADEGBU:


You will need to take off those evolution spectacles that is preventing you from seeing Scriptures and calculations buttressing the truth of a young earth.

You're a clown.
If you have no valid argument then you're just being dogmatic.

4kings:


You're a clown.
If you have no valid argument then you're just being dogmatic.

It's not only the spectacles that needs to be swapped but you also need to unplug your ears.

hopefulLandlord:


how is that brilliant? while its well said it veers off the topic at hand; OP is not arguing for just a creator but for a specific creator who created things in a particular way, a literal Adam and Eve Creation, OP is a young earth creationist who is certain the world is 6000 years old

when Christians argue against evolution and "random chance" they're not arguing because such things show there's no "creator" but because those things go against the way they think the creator "created" the "creations"; evolution being true screws the entire tenets of Christianity from bottom to top cuz a literal Adam and Eve is very necessary as its the foundation on which Christianity is actually built

Evolution demolishes the idea of an "Adam and Eve," who are depicted as being created by "God" in the last part of Biblical Creation in the Book of Genesis. They are unrelated to any life form that came before them, per the Bible.

Without Adam and Eve . . . you have no disobedience based on them eating the fruit from the wrong tree.

Without this disobedience -- called "Original Sin" -- you have NO reason for "God" to later send a "Redeemer" for the human race (each of whose members somehow "inherited" that "Original Sin" LOL) . . . and that Redeemer = Jesus. Without Jesus, you have no basis for Christianity. . . . hence, the panic that Christians feel about Evolution, "Random chance" and their goal to discredit it and – instead – to pretend that a folk tale version of “Biblical Creation” accurately describes what actually “happened”

so when OP is arguing against random chance, he's not arguing just against it but also indirectly arguing FOR literal biblical creation

Christianity has gone thru various modifications and unnecessary overhauling... what even is *Adam and Eve* they might be made up character by those who forge christianity into their taste of "Standard form" or probably what was left to transcribe. In my own discovery christianity is pure and goes hand in hand with science just these blind christians who are just twisted to a fault... The creation of the world didn't take 7days neither is the world 6,000yrs old. So even you Atheists when you see or hear somethings christians say, you just don't jump out to confuse with you super volty intellect and criticism and grammer. Pls consider us that lack formal education #Peace

@op,

So in other words, the starfish is a sign that Venus created the world, since the 5 pointed star has always beena symbol of Venus abi?

The symbol of the Hindu goddess of wealth is the octogram, so I guess anytime we see a flower with 8 petals, it is a sign that lakshmi(and not jehovah), created the world right?


Sheshat the Egyptian goddess had a wand with a 7 pointed star, so is this proof that sheshat created the Universe?

What of the Lady bug that has only 10 spots on it's back? Is this proof that the god of kabbalah(Ain Soph), created the world?

Niflheim:
@op,

So in other words, the starfish is a sign that Venus created the world, since the 5 pointed star has always beena symbol of Venus abi?

The symbol of the Hindu goddess of wealth is the octogram, so I guess anytime we see a flower with 8 petals, it is a sign that lakshmi(and not jehovah), created the world right?


Sheshat the Egyptian goddess had a wand with a 7 pointed star, so is this proof that sheshat created the Universe?

What of the Lady bug that has only 10 spots on it's back? Is this proof that the god of kabbalah(Ain Soph), created the world?

Are you guys illiterates? Do you understand the Golden Ratio in mathematics?

OLAADEGBU:


It's not only the spectacles that needs to be swapped but you also need to unplug your ears.

YEC contradicts literal biblical history.
Deal with it.

4kings:


YEC contradicts literal biblical history.
Deal with it.

See why YEC is the closest to 'literal biblical history' here.==> https://www.nairaland.com/4176884/could-god-really-created-everything

OLAADEGBU:


See why YEC is the closest to 'literal biblical history' here.==> https://www.nairaland.com/4176884/could-god-really-created-everything

Although it seems i'm trying to support a biblical ideology but;

OEC: I found that over 90% of the Bible dealing with creation I have to ignore to believe it.

from the quote above, what do you have to ignore when considering OEC.

4kings:


Although it seems i'm trying to support a biblical ideology but;

from the quote above, what do you have to ignore when considering OEC.

You will have to ignore the following verses just as you have conveniently evaded.

"But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.'" (Mark 10:6).

"For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, neither shall be" (Mark 16:19).

"That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; From the blood of Abel to the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say to you, It shall be required of this generation" (Luke 11:50-51).

OLAADEGBU:


You will have to ignore the following verses just as you have conveniently evaded.

I've not evaded anything o.

"But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.'" (Mark 10:6).

What about those born without sexual organs, conjoined twins, intersex babies and so on, are they the devil's creation?
And by the way, your point here does not affect OEC, after all for the most part animals are categorized as male and female, whether they believe it's through Abiogenesis or a different phenomenon.

"For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, neither shall be" (Mark 16:19).

OEC don't dispute the fact that the universe was Created by God, so what's your point here?

"That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; From the blood of Abel to the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say to you, It shall be required of this generation" (Luke 11:50-51).

Like i said before, some interpret some parts of the bible as metaphors or symbols for esoteric understanding.
Here's is an explanation: http://www.spiritofthescripture.com/id471-cain-and-abel-the-higher-and-lower-nature.html

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And i just remembered this, when Cain was being punished he said something about him being scared of the wrath of some population outside Eden.
If you interpret the book of Genesis literally, how do you explain this?

4kings:

I've not evaded anything o.

You've evaded and dodged answering every question.

4kings:


What about those born without sexual organs, conjoined twins, intersex babies and so on, are they the devil's creation?
And by the way, your point here does not affect OEC, after all for the most part animals are categorized as male and female, whether they believe it's through Abiogenesis or a different phenomenon.

If you took the Genesis record as an historical document and not allegorical you would have discovered that all those defects are as a result of the Fall of Adam. If you believe in the million of years as taught by OEC, what would the world population now?

4kings:


OEC don't dispute the fact that the universe was Created by God, so what's your point here?

That verse shows you that the beginning of time was about 5 days different from the creation of Adam.

4kings:


Like i said before, some interpret some parts of the bible as metaphors or symbols for esoteric understanding.
Here's is an explanation: http://www.spiritofthescripture.com/id471-cain-and-abel-the-higher-and-lower-nature.html

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There is no figure of speech in the creation record in the book of Genesis, its all historical.

4kings:


And i just remembered this, when Cain was being punished he said something about him being scared of the wrath of some population outside Eden.
If you interpret the book of Genesis literally, how do you explain this?

Who other than Abel's children and descendants would want to revenge the death of Abel?

You took one week to type nonsense...

OLAADEGBU:

You've evaded and dodged answering every question.

Like?

If you took the Genesis record as an historical document and not allegorical you would have discovered that all those defects are as a result of the Fall of Adam.

Na wa ooo.
There are caused by biological processes Mr.Man. Teratogen, genetic issues, environmental factors and so on...
For goodness sake a common cause of conjoined twins is the eggs dividing late.
I'm very sure you also think Headache is caused by Adam's Fall too.

If you believe in the million of years as taught by OEC, what would be the world population now?

The world's population would be as is or even more if they were no natural disasters and wars.

That verse shows you that the beginning of time was about 5 days different from the creation of Adam.

The "beginning of time" . You are shooting yourself in the foot and not realizing it, SMH.
That verse only indicates that Yahweh orchestrated the creation of males and females, that's all. OEC is in conformity with this, there is no 5 days nonsense there.

There is no figure of speech in the creation record in the book of Genesis, its all historical.

Mr.Man it seems you take every word of the bible literally.
So, do you believe that an Angel wrestled with Jacob. Noting Elisha's servant description of the angels he saw.

According to Revelation 6:13, do you also believe that the stars would fall to the earth. Noting the sizes of stars compared to earth.

If you do take these as allegories, can you then draw a line between figure of speech and reality.
By the way if you actually believe that stars would fall to the earth then I don't think i should continue this discussion with you, rather you need to see the likes of Johnydon22 or KingEbukasBlog for counselling

Who other than Abel's children and descendants would want to revenge the death of Abel?

Abel's children?
Which children?
Why is this guy spilling trash like this.

4kings:


You took one week to type nonsense...
Like?

To you its nonsense but to the enlightened it makes sense.

4kings:

Na wa ooo.
There are caused by biological processes Mr.Man. Teratogen, genetic issues, environmental factors and so on...
For goodness sake a common cause of conjoined twins is the eggs dividing late.
I'm very sure you also think Headache is caused by Adam's Fall too.

If you had studied the Bible instead of the book of Darwin you wouldn't be this ignorant of this fact.

4kings:


The world's population would be as is or even more if they were no natural disasters and wars.

This is the evidence that you don't know and you don't want to know. Ignorance is bliss.

4kings:


The "beginning of time" . You are shooting yourself in the foot and not realizing it, SMH.
That verse only indicates that Yahweh orchestrated the creation of males and females, that's all. OEC is in conformity with this, there is no 5 days nonsense there.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and earth" Genesis 1:1

At the beginning of God's creation, He created heaven (Space), earth (Matter) and the beginning (Time). If you study the thoughts of God instead of fallible man you will discover gems that are hidden.

4kings:


Mr.Man it seems you take every word of the bible literally.
So, do you believe that an Angel wrestled with Jacob. Noting Elisha's servant description of the angels he saw.

According to Revelation 6:13, do you also believe that the stars would fall to the earth. Noting the sizes of stars compared to earth.

If you do take these as allegories, can you then draw a line between figure of speech and reality.
By the way if you actually believe that stars would fall to the earth then I don't think i should continue this discussion with you, rather you need to see the likes of Johnydon22 or KingEbukasBlog for counselling

See how you guys fail with distinction. I said that there is no figure of speech in the Creation record in the book of Genesis. I didn't say in the whole Bible. I think you should call on your helpers because you are losing the plot 'bigly. '

4kings:


Abel's children?
Which children?
Why is this guy spilling trash like this.

You think it is trash because you err and do not know the Power of God.

OLAADEGBU:


To you its nonsense but to the enlightened it makes sense.

If you had studied the Bible instead of the book of Darwin you wouldn't be this ignorant of this fact.

Of what fact?

This is the evidence that you don't know and you don't want to know. Ignorance is bliss.

What did i claim to know that i don't know?

"In the beginning God created the heaven and earth" Genesis 1:1

At the beginning of God's creation, He created heaven (Space), earth (Matter) and the beginning (Time). If you study the thoughts of God instead of fallible man you will discover gems that are hidden.

Stop being esoteric, what is this hidden gem you speak of?

See how you guys fail with distinction. I said that there is no figure of speech in the Creation record in the book of Genesis. I didn't say in the whole Bible. I think you should call on your helpers because you are losing the plot 'bigly. '

You like dodging sha...
How then can one draw a line between figure of speech and reality, in the bible?

You think it is trash because you err and do not know the Power of God.

You were saying something strange.
What did you mean by Abel's children.
Were these children also hidden?

4kings:


Of what fact?

The fact of God's existence being seen clearly through creation (Romans 1:20).

4kings:


What did i claim to know that i don't know?

You claimed to know the age of the earth.

4kings:


Stop being esoteric, what is this hidden gem you speak of?

The mystery of the Tri-une God being revealed in the Tri-universe.

4kings:


You like dodging sha...
How then can one draw a line between figure of speech and reality, in the bible?

The historical events of Creation in Genesis chapter 1 is written in plain language that we can understand unless you want to confuse yourself by trying to include man's millions of years into the Bible.

4kings:


You were saying something strange.
What did you mean by Abel's children.
Were these children also hidden?

It is only Abel's children and descendants that will want to take vengeance on the death of their father, Abel. Don't you think?

OLAADEGBU:


The fact of God's existence being seen clearly through creation (Romans 1:20).

I can also say same for any other supernatural god.
So again what fact relates to yahweh?
And by fact do you mean the issues with eggs during reproduction proves Yahweh?

You claimed to know the age of the earth.

Can you show me where i made this claim?

The mystery of the Tri-une God being revealed in the Tri-universe.

Oh that's why you said "Space Matter and Time".
What about Energy?
Trinity ko, abeg go siddon.

The historical events of Creation in Genesis chapter 1 is written in plain language that we can understand unless you want to confuse yourself by trying to include man's millions of years into the Bible.

Revelation 6:13 is also written in plain language.
Why then don't you agree that the billions of stars would fall on earth or was your prophet/God ignorant of this at the time?

It is only Abel's children and descendants that will want to take vengeance on the death of their father, Abel. Don't you think?

Does your bible mention Abel's children or even wife?
It's been long i read mine, but from what i understand Seth's generation continued and Abel was murdered.
So Mr.Man is this another esoteric statement or what?

4kings:


I can also say same for any other supernatural god.
So again what fact relates to yahweh?
And by fact do you mean the issues with eggs during reproduction proves Yahweh?

There is Only One Creator God and you are the evidence.

4kings:


Can you show me where i made this claim?

Are you not assuming that the earth is old?

4kings:


Oh that's why you said "Space Matter and Time".
What about Energy?
Trinity ko, abeg go siddon.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit is revealed in the Tri-universe of: Time, Matter (Mass, Energy and Matter) and Space. In the beginning (Time) God created heaven (Space) and earth (Matter) See Genesis 1:1.

4kings:


Revelation 6:13 is also written in plain language.
Why then don't you agree that the billions of stars would fall on earth or was your prophet/God ignorant of this at the time?

The Greek word for "star" is aster which can also mean any object in space, including planets, asteroids and meteorites. Anyone of these could collide with the earth in its orbit triggering a great earthquake. See how it was prophesied also in Isaiah 13:10; 34:4.

4kings:


Does your bible mention Abel's children or even wife?
It's been long i read mine, but from what i understand Seth's generation continued and Abel was murdered.
So Mr.Man is this another esoteric statement or what?

No it did not mention the names of Abel's children or wife neither did it mention the name of Cain's wife but it did say that Adam had many other sons and daughters (Genesis 5:4). In Genesis 4:8 it says "it came to pass..." Do you know how many years transpired during this time? Get bible sense.

OLAADEGBU:

There is Only One Creator God and you are the evidence.

Monotheists of different variations could also say this so what makes yours special.

Are you not assuming that the earth is old?

Oh ya i am.
It's definitely older than 6000-10000 years.
But how does this affect anything?

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit is revealed in the Tri-universe of: Time, Matter (Mass, Energy and Matter) and Space. In the beginning (Time) God created heaven (Space) and earth (Matter) See Genesis 1:1.

Lol .
I no get time for this, but just a food for thought; The Sumerians, Egyptians, Babylonians, Indians and some ancient civilisation also worshiped what triune deity.

The Greek word for "star" is aster which can also mean any object is space, including planets, asteroids and meteorites. Anyone of these could collide with the earth in its orbit triggering a great earthquake. See how it was prophesied also in Isaiah 13:10; 34:4.

Twister
Well i give you a kudos here.

No it did not mention the names of Abel's children or wife neither did it mention the name of Cain's wife but it did say that Adam had many other sons and daughters (Genesis 5:4). In Genesis 4:8 it says "it came to pass..." Do you know how many years transpired during this time? Get bible sense.

Na wa for you sha.
Genesis 4 was when the murder took place and Genesis 5 was where Seth and his siblings were mentioned.

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Honestly i don't know why i'm going down this lane.
This discussion started when you could not prove how 7 billion people could be produced in less than 5000 years by just a family of 4. You've brought 2 or 3 calculations and all debunked.
So i think my point has been made.
au revoir

4kings:


Monotheists of different variations could also say this so what makes yours special.

What makes mine special is that it is supported and confirmed by true science and prophecy. Mathematics in this instance.

4kings:


Oh ya i am.
It's definitely older than 6000-10000 years.
But how does this affect anything?

It has been mathematically and scripturally proved to be not more than 6,000 years.

4kings:


Lol .
I no get time for this, but just a food for thought; The Sumerians, Egyptians, Babylonians, Indians and some ancient civilisation also worshiped what triune deity.

Who told you that demons don't know who the triune God is? It will not be surprising if they mimick what they knew before they got kicked out of heaven.

4kings:


Twister
Well i give you a kudos here.

What are you twisting? That is what true scientist who seek to think God's thoughts after Him will discover when they apply their science with the Scriptures.

4kings:


Na wa for you sha.
Genesis 4 was when the murder took place and Genesis 5 was where Seth and his siblings were mentioned.

This is why you should become born again and then anoint you eyes with eyesalve so as to read the Bible without the 'evolution' blinkers on.

4kings:

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Honestly i don't know why i'm going down this lane.
This discussion started when you could not prove how 7 billion people could be produced in less than 5000 years by just a family of 4. You've brought 2 or 3 calculations and all debunked.
So i think my point has been made.
au revoir

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Niflheim:


@op,

So in other words, the starfish is a sign that Venus created the world, since the 5 pointed star has always beena symbol of Venus abi?

The symbol of the Hindu goddess of wealth is the octogram, so I guess anytime we see a flower with 8 petals, it is a sign that lakshmi(and not jehovah), created the world right?


Sheshat the Egyptian goddess had a wand with a 7 pointed star, so is this proof that sheshat created the Universe?

What of the Lady bug that has only 10 spots on it's back? Is this proof that the god of kabbalah(Ain Soph), created the world?

Where are the mathematical equations in the examples you've given above?

Does evolution have a chance?

How Populations Grow
June 1, 2013

"And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them" (Exodus 1:7).

Populations can grow very rapidly. For example, one can calculate that the seventy who came into Egypt with Jacob (Genesis 46:27) could easily have multiplied to over five million in just ten generations, assuming only that the average family had six children who lived and reproduced, and that only two generations were living contemporaneously at any one time. This was less than half the number in Jacob's immediate family. The actual count of the grown Israelite men (not including the tribe of Levi) who left Egypt with Moses was "six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty" (Numbers 1:46). The total population was probably between two and three million at the time.

This illustrates how rapidly populations can grow when conditions are favorable. In fact, if a simple geometric growth rate is assumed (which was the assumption made by Charles Darwin in relation to his imagined "struggle for existence" in nature), it would only take about 1,100 years—assuming 35 years per generation—to develop a world population of six billion people. Immediately after the Flood, with only eight people and the whole world before them, with long lifespans still prevailing, and with every incentive to have large families, the population surely would have grown explosively. Yet the average annual growth rate since the Flood need only have been one-fourth the present growth rate to produce the world's present population in the 4,000 years (minimum) since that time.

All of which indicates that the evolutionary scenario, which assumes that human populations have been on the earth for about a million years, is absurd. The whole universe could not hold all the people! HMM

For more . . . .

OLAADEGBU:


Random chance does not do mathematical equations



God created mathematics!

The Golden Ratio revisisted.

dalaman:


You are a liar. The only God whose signature appears in nature is Allah. The one and only true God.

If you do not know what the golden ratio means, ask.