AugustineAgain:

Do you know the meaning of the world 'TRUE' ? It means proved correct and tested correct.

All the other armies of over 100 countries of this world can also claim to be TRUE professional because they have not been tested in battle and have never fought any long sustained war like America, Russia, Britain, Israel, and Nigeria !

Only we who are fully tested are the true world class professional military.


Show us a war fought by 10,000 terrorists disguised as civilians of whom 50% are South African citizens, living on South African soil, mixed with your own civilians in your townships, armed with machine guns and RPGs, sow us such a war fought by your SANDF to test your true practican capacity to cope with such an unconventional war motivated by religion and readiness to do suicide bombing plus full war spread over an area of the size of Great Britain and across the whole length of South African border from Namibia to Mozambique, crossing border into Zimbabwe and crossing back into South Africa at night to attack civilian towns that are defenceless, show me such a war SANDF has ever fought to prove their real combat capability and not photography marketing you guys are doing here like retaards, who told you photographs is a prove of an army's battlefield capability? I am sure you don't know the true meaning of war.

Nigerian army just k.illed over 100 Bokos and captured over 30, in a dangerous mixed street to street fighting inside a city of half a million civilians and yet with very little civilian casualties even in the dark night of combat, show me where your SANDF 'professional' army and air force has done that in the last 100 years !!!!

SANDF are only professional photographers

#ShowUsSANDF inBattle AndThe Enemy TheyK.illed

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Fighting among civilian fleeing and being defeated is embarrassing.

AugustineAgain:

Proves South Africans claim of killing many Seleka Rebels is false, the only photos of dead men we see from the battle of Bangui are South African soldiers (With due respect to the dead).

You come here to tell us 1,000 Seleka men died and there is no picture of even on dead body existing. SANDF is a big liar!
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We dont feel the need to take photo's of the dead

We respect fallen warriors.

Also, there are no pictures of dead SANDF men as we do not leave fallen comrads on the battlefeild.

AugustineAgain:


Okay show us proof they did what you claim as I asked below

Dude, I am not wasting time deciphering your gibberish

Should I start making demands as well?

chris365: Now I see why seleka feasted on sandf and made them run back to Soweto like scared dogs . And why they needed Tanzanian protection in drc


Weak Leadership And Silence On Loss Of SAndf Skills


RAFEEK SHAH, MP
DA SPOKESPERSON FOR DEFENCE

An average of 187 skilled and experienced technicians and 24 pilots of the South African Air Force (SAAF) resign annually. According to a parliamentary reply (1), we are experiencing a steady loss of skills and experience, which has serious implications for force readiness, the maintenance of equipment and weaponry, and the supervision of subordinate members.

The Democratic Alliance (DA) wrote a letter to the previous Minister of Defence asking for details on what is being done to address the ongoing loss of critical skills in the military, as well as for details of a contingency plan which will guarantee that our defence capability is not compromised. To date, the DA has not received any reply.

In September 2008, we called upon the new Minister, Charles Nqakula, to tell the public what he intended to do about the loss of military skills. To date, we have heard nothing. Repeatedly, we see clear evidence of weak and ineffective leadership in critical issues. Is the Minister going to wait until there is no one left before he acts?

Since 2004:

? There have been 94 resignations by pilots, and all of these were of the rank Second Lieutenant and higher;
? There have been 746 resignations by SAAF technical personnel and of these, 51 resignations were of the rank Second Lieutenant and higher;
? There have been 114 resignations from Command and Control (2), and of these 40 were of the rank Second Lieutenant and higher.

We can clearly see that there is a steady loss of skills and experience from the SAAF every year. While the military is bringing in new members through the Military Skills Development System (MSDS), this system merely replaces bodies but not skills and experience. The loss of senior experienced personnel also affects the ability of the military to develop young military leadership by example and skills transfer.

We want to see clear, decisive action being taken by the Minister to assure us that something is being done to address this issue. We repeat our calls for the Minister to address the public on this matter and for a full audit to be done to determine why people are resigning.

(1) Parliamentary Reply No. 1476/2008
(2) Command and Control provides operationally ready command and control elements in support of air battle space operations

BOKO IS ROASTING CIVILIANS BEFORE YOUR WEAK ARMY.

chris365:

So your foolishness hasn't ended while the year is about to?

America already had decades of conventional and unconventional war experience before they cleared Iraq. Don't compare apples and oranges fool.
And by the way, America won almost all it's wars where it's enemies surrendered. Which one has smouth Africa won.

You never cease to amaze me with your foolish and childish evasive tactics

America went to War with Iraq in 1990

Veitnam ended in 1975, American ground operations ended in 1973.

If you will count Panama and Grenada as military experience for the Americans... then we will count Lesotho and Congo as battlefeild experience for the SANDF

Thus, those "decades" of experience also apply to the SANDF

patches689:

His is hilariously stupi.d

The American Army in 1990 was untested

They smashed the Christ out of the Iraqi Army who had over a DECADES FULL SCALE COMBINED ARMS CONVENTIONAL WAR EXPERIENCE

Experience means nothing when you have training

Bwahaha

Let's humiliate y.ou Patrick with this :

In Vietnam war, the average age of the American combat soldier was 19, by Iraqi war, those experienced men were just 34 years old !

What a mumu you are! America had fantastic war experience just 15 years before fighting Iraq in gulf war 1990.

America had over half a million soldiers and about 1,000 aircraft fighting a long 20 year war in Vietnam just 15 years before they used same experience to defeat Iraq.

@patches, you are a world class mumu !

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

Nigeria has current war experience with all her major equipment/weapons and we will have a very big advantage over South Africa in real war, all South Africa has to show is photography with ZERO combat experience.
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chris365: Now I see why seleka feasted on sandf and made them run back to Soweto like scared dogs . And why they needed Tanzanian protection in drc


Weak Leadership And Silence On Loss Of SAndf Skills


RAFEEK SHAH, MP
DA SPOKESPERSON FOR DEFENCE

An average of 187 skilled and experienced technicians and 24 pilots of the South African Air Force (SAAF) resign annually. According to a parliamentary reply (1), we are experiencing a steady loss of skills and experience, which has serious implications for force readiness, the maintenance of equipment and weaponry, and the supervision of subordinate members.

The Democratic Alliance (DA) wrote a letter to the previous Minister of Defence asking for details on what is being done to address the ongoing loss of critical skills in the military, as well as for details of a contingency plan which will guarantee that our defence capability is not compromised. To date, the DA has not received any reply.

In September 2008, we called upon the new Minister, Charles Nqakula, to tell the public what he intended to do about the loss of military skills. To date, we have heard nothing. Repeatedly, we see clear evidence of weak and ineffective leadership in critical issues. Is the Minister going to wait until there is no one left before he acts?

Since 2004:

? There have been 94 resignations by pilots, and all of these were of the rank Second Lieutenant and higher;
? There have been 746 resignations by SAAF technical personnel and of these, 51 resignations were of the rank Second Lieutenant and higher;
? There have been 114 resignations from Command and Control (2), and of these 40 were of the rank Second Lieutenant and higher.

We can clearly see that there is a steady loss of skills and experience from the SAAF every year. While the military is bringing in new members through the Military Skills Development System (MSDS), this system merely replaces bodies but not skills and experience. The loss of senior experienced personnel also affects the ability of the military to develop young military leadership by example and skills transfer.

We want to see clear, decisive action being taken by the Minister to assure us that something is being done to address this issue. We repeat our calls for the Minister to address the public on this matter and for a full audit to be done to determine why people are resigning.

(1) Parliamentary Reply No. 1476/2008
(2) Command and Control provides operationally ready command and control elements in support of air battle space operations

Chineke mo

Only 6 qualified Gripen jet pilots we know, but now it's worse, sure less than 12 Hawk jet pilots, less than 4 Rooivalk pilots, only two Valour frigates crew, only one submarine crew....and the oldest aged grey haired weak heart high blood pressure infantry soldiers in the world, with the younger soldiers hooked on HIV treatment drugs for life !

SANDF is a professionally useless military, best value we can get is to make them pose for photographs so we can have free album on internet
.

THIS PROBABLY SUMS IT UP

[size=14pt]The South African National Defense Force - A Military in Freefall[/size]
Despite an eagerness to use the South African National Defense Force (SANDF) as a means of projecting the nation's influence abroad, there is evidence that South Africa's government has so neglected or mismanaged its military assets that it may soon be unable to defend itself, much less engage in international adventures.

Last year, Roelf Meyer, the chairman of South Africa's defense review committee, identified a number of strategic goals for the SANDF, including:

· Maintaining the security of South Africa's borders;

· Promoting peace and security in Africa;

· Assisting civil authorities in policing or anti-poaching efforts;

· Establishing South Africa as a responsible leading member of the African Union;

· Responding to new regional threats such as piracy (Business Day [Johannesburg], April 13, 2012).

However, with a reduced force size and inadequate resources, the SANDF will soon have difficulty meeting most of these goals.

[b]Life in the South African military is not seen as desirable by many potential recruits. Pay can be erratic, HIV rates are as high as 25% (making these troops unavailable for external deployment) and an estimated 35% of South Africa's military barracks have been classed as unfit for human occupation since 2007 (Mail & Guardian [Johannesburg], April 21, 2012). Without money to operate sophisticated equipment, skilled staff continue to flee at the end of their enlistment and there is little opportunity for new recruits to train in skills useful in the civilian world. Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defense has described abuse of women in the SANDF as "common," adding that many female recruits have been impregnated by their instructors (BUAnews, November 26, 2011). Racial abuse of black subordinates by white senior officers also remains a problem 19 years into the integration process. South African troops are unionized and have at times clashed with police during pay disputes[/b].

With the 2012 defense budget of $3.8 billion still far below the 2 percent of GDP required to maintain the armed forces, the South African defense department began looking at other ways of generating income, including contracting out soldiers to municipalities to do various labor and infrastructure repair projects. The department also created the Defense Estate Management agency to lease or sell-off defense department lands. Much of the land owned by the SANDF came by way of British government endowments of military facilities made on the condition that they could only be used for defense purposes

Politicization of the military is still a problem in South Africa. There has been speculation that the current chief of the SANDF, Angolan-trained Lieutenant General Solly Zacharia Shoke, received his appointment as a result of his history as a commander in Umkhonto we Sizwe, the ANC's military wing (SAPA, May 11, 2011). Umkhonto we Sizwe forces were integrated into the newly formed SANDF between 1994 and 2004. An investigative commission recently declared that the SANDF was too politicized, a situation typified by former Defense Minister Lindiwe Sisulu's preference for wearing SANDF uniforms at public occasions

A sometimes unaccountable procurement process remains a problem for the South African military; last year the political opposition revealed over $7.75 billion had passed through a defense department slush fund that had failed to reveal to parliament how the money had been spent (Johannesburg Times, April 18, 2012). The army has been overlooked in recent acquisition programs and is close to finding itself equipped with obsolete equipment in terms of armored personnel carriers, logistics vehicles and main battle tanks

South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft (SAPA, December 6, 2012; Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). World War II-era Dakotas also continue to be used for surveillance of South Africa's 3,900 kilometer coastline in the absence of modern surveillance aircraft. Meanwhile, 26 new Swedish-built Gripen fighter-jets, purchased at a cost of R10 billion (approximately $1 billion), average only two hours in the air each week; not enough to keep the machines in operable condition and far from the 10 hours of flight-time each week considered necessary to keep pilots well-trained

Former SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano retired in 2012 after trying to resign in late 2011 during his hospitalization for stress as he continued to try unsuccessfully to find enough money for the fuel and maintenance to keep the SAAF in the air. His successor, Lieutenant General Fabian Zimpande Msimang (the first black chief of the SAAF) will have trouble keeping all but executive travel jets in the air if current funding problems continue

The once formidable South African navy now spends little time at sea. Replacement parts and maintenance budgets barely exist, leaving only one of the navy's four new frigates operational and only one its four new submarines able to put out to sea (Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). South African Navy ships and SAAF aircraft carry out anti-piracy operations in the Mozambique Channel, though this mission is also threatened by underfunding.

Despite economic troubles and a collapsing military, South Africa still desires to be a major player in Africa, which encourages it to commit to missions that stretch the military's capacity to its breaking point. Unless current trends are reversed, the steady transformation of the SANDF into an assembly of riot police and border guards will be completed in just a few years. Geography and reputation have left South Africa with few external enemies, but it is also extremely wealthy in various resources. South Africa was only cobbled together from various constituent parts a little more than a century ago, and it would not be surprising if a general collapse of South Africa's security infrastructure invited the emergence of secessionist movements drawing on both domestic and external inspiration. South Africa's eventual inability to project force beyond its borders will also have important implications for regional security in sub-Saharan Africa.

This report was compiled by JAMESTOWN FOUNDATION and cited from "Terrorism Monitor Volume: 11 Issue: 2"

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chris365: THIS PROBABLY SUMS IT UP

[size=14pt]The South African National Defense Force - A Military in Freefall[/size]
Despite an eagerness to use the South African National Defense Force (SANDF) as a means of projecting the nation's influence abroad, there is evidence that South Africa's government has so neglected or mismanaged its military assets that it may soon be unable to defend itself, much less engage in international adventures.

Last year, Roelf Meyer, the chairman of South Africa's defense review committee, identified a number of strategic goals for the SANDF, including:

· Maintaining the security of South Africa's borders;

· Promoting peace and security in Africa;

· Assisting civil authorities in policing or anti-poaching efforts;

· Establishing South Africa as a responsible leading member of the African Union;

· Responding to new regional threats such as piracy (Business Day [Johannesburg], April 13, 2012).

However, with a reduced force size and inadequate resources, the SANDF will soon have difficulty meeting most of these goals.

[b]Life in the South African military is not seen as desirable by many potential recruits. Pay can be erratic, HIV rates are as high as 25% (making these troops unavailable for external deployment) and an estimated 35% of South Africa's military barracks have been classed as unfit for human occupation since 2007 (Mail & Guardian [Johannesburg], April 21, 2012). Without money to operate sophisticated equipment, skilled staff continue to flee at the end of their enlistment and there is little opportunity for new recruits to train in skills useful in the civilian world. Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defense has described abuse of women in the SANDF as "common," adding that many female recruits have been impregnated by their instructors (BUAnews, November 26, 2011). Racial abuse of black subordinates by white senior officers also remains a problem 19 years into the integration process. South African troops are unionized and have at times clashed with police during pay disputes[/b].

With the 2012 defense budget of $3.8 billion still far below the 2 percent of GDP required to maintain the armed forces, the South African defense department began looking at other ways of generating income, including contracting out soldiers to municipalities to do various labor and infrastructure repair projects. The department also created the Defense Estate Management agency to lease or sell-off defense department lands. Much of the land owned by the SANDF came by way of British government endowments of military facilities made on the condition that they could only be used for defense purposes

Politicization of the military is still a problem in South Africa. There has been speculation that the current chief of the SANDF, Angolan-trained Lieutenant General Solly Zacharia Shoke, received his appointment as a result of his history as a commander in Umkhonto we Sizwe, the ANC's military wing (SAPA, May 11, 2011). Umkhonto we Sizwe forces were integrated into the newly formed SANDF between 1994 and 2004. An investigative commission recently declared that the SANDF was too politicized, a situation typified by former Defense Minister Lindiwe Sisulu's preference for wearing SANDF uniforms at public occasions

A sometimes unaccountable procurement process remains a problem for the South African military; last year the political opposition revealed over $7.75 billion had passed through a defense department slush fund that had failed to reveal to parliament how the money had been spent (Johannesburg Times, April 18, 2012). The army has been overlooked in recent acquisition programs and is close to finding itself equipped with obsolete equipment in terms of armored personnel carriers, logistics vehicles and main battle tanks

South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft (SAPA, December 6, 2012; Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). World War II-era Dakotas also continue to be used for surveillance of South Africa's 3,900 kilometer coastline in the absence of modern surveillance aircraft. Meanwhile, 26 new Swedish-built Gripen fighter-jets, purchased at a cost of R10 billion (approximately $1 billion), average only two hours in the air each week; not enough to keep the machines in operable condition and far from the 10 hours of flight-time each week considered necessary to keep pilots well-trained

Former SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano retired in 2012 after trying to resign in late 2011 during his hospitalization for stress as he continued to try unsuccessfully to find enough money for the fuel and maintenance to keep the SAAF in the air. His successor, Lieutenant General Fabian Zimpande Msimang (the first black chief of the SAAF) will have trouble keeping all but executive travel jets in the air if current funding problems continue

The once formidable South African navy now spends little time at sea. Replacement parts and maintenance budgets barely exist, leaving only one of the navy's four new frigates operational and only one its four new submarines able to put out to sea (Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). South African Navy ships and SAAF aircraft carry out anti-piracy operations in the Mozambique Channel, though this mission is also threatened by underfunding.

Despite economic troubles and a collapsing military, South Africa still desires to be a major player in Africa, which encourages it to commit to missions that stretch the military's capacity to its breaking point. Unless current trends are reversed, the steady transformation of the SANDF into an assembly of riot police and border guards will be completed in just a few years. Geography and reputation have left South Africa with few external enemies, but it is also extremely wealthy in various resources. South Africa was only cobbled together from various constituent parts a little more than a century ago, and it would not be surprising if a general collapse of South Africa's security infrastructure invited the emergence of secessionist movements drawing on both domestic and external inspiration. South Africa's eventual inability to project force beyond its borders will also have important implications for regional security in sub-Saharan Africa.

This report was compiled by JAMESTOWN FOUNDATION and cited from "Terrorism Monitor Volume: 11 Issue: 2"

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... oh my sides the dakota part cracked my ribs

Poor "desperado" Chris. Resorted to "piggy" tactics, have we? Nice to see you've been complaining about what you are.

If South Africa is in free fall, where does that leave Naai-geria? In absolute obsoluteness?

Remember? Standards? When we say "poor", we mean what's "first world" in Naai-geria.

AugustineAgain:

Chineke mo

Only 6 qualified Gripen jet pilots we know, but now it's worse, sure less than 12 Hawk jet pilots, less than 4 Rooivalk pilots, only two Valour frigates crew, only one submarine crew....and the oldest aged grey haired weak heart high blood pressure infantry soldiers in the world, with the younger soldiers hooked on HIV treatment drugs for life !

SANDF is a professionally useless military, best value we can get is to make them pose for photographs so we can have free album on internet
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YOUR PILOTS ARE AMATEURS WHO FIRE WRONG TARGETS. HOW DO THEY PERFORM IN THEIR BEDROOMS IF THEY GO ON LIKE THAT? PERHAPS THEIR CHILDREN ARE NOT EVEN THEIRS. THEY CAN NEVER FATHER A CHILD WITH SUCH POOR PERFORMANCE.

ONLY 6 SA PILOTS CAN WIPE THE WHOLE OF NIGERIA OUT.

SANDF: An Assembly of Riot Police and Border Guards... Ye My Head!!!

chris365: THIS PROBABLY SUMS IT UP

[size=14pt]The South African National Defense Force - A Military in Freefall[/size]
Despite an eagerness to use the South African National Defense Force (SANDF) as a means of projecting the nation's influence abroad, there is evidence that South Africa's government has so neglected or mismanaged its military assets that it may soon be unable to defend itself, much less engage in international adventures.

Last year, Roelf Meyer, the chairman of South Africa's defense review committee, identified a number of strategic goals for the SANDF, including:

· Maintaining the security of South Africa's borders;

· Promoting peace and security in Africa;

· Assisting civil authorities in policing or anti-poaching efforts;

· Establishing South Africa as a responsible leading member of the African Union;

· Responding to new regional threats such as piracy (Business Day [Johannesburg], April 13, 2012).

However, with a reduced force size and inadequate resources, the SANDF will soon have difficulty meeting most of these goals.

[b]Life in the South African military is not seen as desirable by many potential recruits. Pay can be erratic, HIV rates are as high as 25% (making these troops unavailable for external deployment) and an estimated 35% of South Africa's military barracks have been classed as unfit for human occupation since 2007 (Mail & Guardian [Johannesburg], April 21, 2012). Without money to operate sophisticated equipment, skilled staff continue to flee at the end of their enlistment and there is little opportunity for new recruits to train in skills useful in the civilian world. Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defense has described abuse of women in the SANDF as "common," adding that many female recruits have been impregnated by their instructors (BUAnews, November 26, 2011). Racial abuse of black subordinates by white senior officers also remains a problem 19 years into the integration process. South African troops are unionized and have at times clashed with police during pay disputes[/b].

With the 2012 defense budget of $3.8 billion still far below the 2 percent of GDP required to maintain the armed forces, the South African defense department began looking at other ways of generating income, including contracting out soldiers to municipalities to do various labor and infrastructure repair projects. The department also created the Defense Estate Management agency to lease or sell-off defense department lands. Much of the land owned by the SANDF came by way of British government endowments of military facilities made on the condition that they could only be used for defense purposes

Politicization of the military is still a problem in South Africa. There has been speculation that the current chief of the SANDF, Angolan-trained Lieutenant General Solly Zacharia Shoke, received his appointment as a result of his history as a commander in Umkhonto we Sizwe, the ANC's military wing (SAPA, May 11, 2011). Umkhonto we Sizwe forces were integrated into the newly formed SANDF between 1994 and 2004. An investigative commission recently declared that the SANDF was too politicized, a situation typified by former Defense Minister Lindiwe Sisulu's preference for wearing SANDF uniforms at public occasions

A sometimes unaccountable procurement process remains a problem for the South African military; last year the political opposition revealed over $7.75 billion had passed through a defense department slush fund that had failed to reveal to parliament how the money had been spent (Johannesburg Times, April 18, 2012). The army has been overlooked in recent acquisition programs and is close to finding itself equipped with obsolete equipment in terms of armored personnel carriers, logistics vehicles and main battle tanks

South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft (SAPA, December 6, 2012; Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). World War II-era Dakotas also continue to be used for surveillance of South Africa's 3,900 kilometer coastline in the absence of modern surveillance aircraft. Meanwhile, 26 new Swedish-built Gripen fighter-jets, purchased at a cost of R10 billion (approximately $1 billion), average only two hours in the air each week; not enough to keep the machines in operable condition and far from the 10 hours of flight-time each week considered necessary to keep pilots well-trained

Former SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano retired in 2012 after trying to resign in late 2011 during his hospitalization for stress as he continued to try unsuccessfully to find enough money for the fuel and maintenance to keep the SAAF in the air. His successor, Lieutenant General Fabian Zimpande Msimang (the first black chief of the SAAF) will have trouble keeping all but executive travel jets in the air if current funding problems continue

The once formidable South African navy now spends little time at sea. Replacement parts and maintenance budgets barely exist, leaving only one of the navy's four new frigates operational and only one its four new submarines able to put out to sea (Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). South African Navy ships and SAAF aircraft carry out anti-piracy operations in the Mozambique Channel, though this mission is also threatened by underfunding.

Despite economic troubles and a collapsing military, South Africa still desires to be a major player in Africa, which encourages it to commit to missions that stretch the military's capacity to its breaking point. Unless current trends are reversed, the steady transformation of the SANDF into an assembly of riot police and border guards will be completed in just a few years. Geography and reputation have left South Africa with few external enemies, but it is also extremely wealthy in various resources. South Africa was only cobbled together from various constituent parts a little more than a century ago, and it would not be surprising if a general collapse of South Africa's security infrastructure invited the emergence of secessionist movements drawing on both domestic and external inspiration. South Africa's eventual inability[right][/right] to project force beyond its borders will also have important implications for regional security in sub-Saharan Africa.

This report was compiled by JAMESTOWN FOUNDATION and cited from "Terrorism Monitor Volume: 11 Issue: 2"

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THE MILITARY WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN A FREE FALL IS SITUATED SOMEWHERE IN WEST AFRICA.

agaugust:

[size=14pt]

Enjoy it, it's your own South African news report . Mugu Maga !

"There’s a war going on in southern Africa. And though it may not have the human body count of, say, Sudan, this battle is just as bloody. In 2012, rhino poaching in South Africa left more than 650 rhinos illegally slaughtered– approximately one every 16 hours– and more than 100 humans died in the fight to protect them."

http://greenglobaltravel.com/2013/03/18/rhino-poaching-in-south-africa-rhino-wars/

Even a 'blind' man will see the blue bolded part [/size]

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August, I thought you would know by now that these "people" are mentally ill, you cannot reason or use logic with them.

chris365: THIS PROBABLY SUMS IT UP

[size=14pt]The South African National Defense Force - A Military in Freefall[/size]
Despite an eagerness to use the South African National Defense Force (SANDF) as a means of projecting the nation's influence abroad, there is evidence that South Africa's government has so neglected or mismanaged its military assets that it may soon be unable to defend itself, much less engage in international adventures.

Last year, Roelf Meyer, the chairman of South Africa's defense review committee, identified a number of strategic goals for the SANDF, including:

· Maintaining the security of South Africa's borders;

· Promoting peace and security in Africa;

· Assisting civil authorities in policing or anti-poaching efforts;

· Establishing South Africa as a responsible leading member of the African Union;

· Responding to new regional threats such as piracy (Business Day [Johannesburg], April 13, 2012).

However, with a reduced force size and inadequate resources, the SANDF will soon have difficulty meeting most of these goals.

[b]Life in the South African military is not seen as desirable by many potential recruits. Pay can be erratic, HIV rates are as high as 25% (making these troops unavailable for external deployment) and an estimated 35% of South Africa's military barracks have been classed as unfit for human occupation since 2007 (Mail & Guardian [Johannesburg], April 21, 2012). Without money to operate sophisticated equipment, skilled staff continue to flee at the end of their enlistment and there is little opportunity for new recruits to train in skills useful in the civilian world. Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defense has described abuse of women in the SANDF as "common," adding that many female recruits have been impregnated by their instructors (BUAnews, November 26, 2011). Racial abuse of black subordinates by white senior officers also remains a problem 19 years into the integration process. South African troops are unionized and have at times clashed with police during pay disputes[/b].

With the 2012 defense budget of $3.8 billion still far below the 2 percent of GDP required to maintain the armed forces, the South African defense department began looking at other ways of generating income, including contracting out soldiers to municipalities to do various labor and infrastructure repair projects. The department also created the Defense Estate Management agency to lease or sell-off defense department lands. Much of the land owned by the SANDF came by way of British government endowments of military facilities made on the condition that they could only be used for defense purposes

Politicization of the military is still a problem in South Africa. There has been speculation that the current chief of the SANDF, Angolan-trained Lieutenant General Solly Zacharia Shoke, received his appointment as a result of his history as a commander in Umkhonto we Sizwe, the ANC's military wing (SAPA, May 11, 2011). Umkhonto we Sizwe forces were integrated into the newly formed SANDF between 1994 and 2004. An investigative commission recently declared that the SANDF was too politicized, a situation typified by former Defense Minister Lindiwe Sisulu's preference for wearing SANDF uniforms at public occasions

A sometimes unaccountable procurement process remains a problem for the South African military; last year the political opposition revealed over $7.75 billion had passed through a defense department slush fund that had failed to reveal to parliament how the money had been spent (Johannesburg Times, April 18, 2012). The army has been overlooked in recent acquisition programs and is close to finding itself equipped with obsolete equipment in terms of armored personnel carriers, logistics vehicles and main battle tanks

South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft (SAPA, December 6, 2012; Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). World War II-era Dakotas also continue to be used for surveillance of South Africa's 3,900 kilometer coastline in the absence of modern surveillance aircraft. Meanwhile, 26 new Swedish-built Gripen fighter-jets, purchased at a cost of R10 billion (approximately $1 billion), average only two hours in the air each week; not enough to keep the machines in operable condition and far from the 10 hours of flight-time each week considered necessary to keep pilots well-trained

Former SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano retired in 2012 after trying to resign in late 2011 during his hospitalization for stress as he continued to try unsuccessfully to find enough money for the fuel and maintenance to keep the SAAF in the air. His successor, Lieutenant General Fabian Zimpande Msimang (the first black chief of the SAAF) will have trouble keeping all but executive travel jets in the air if current funding problems continue

The once formidable South African navy now spends little time at sea. Replacement parts and maintenance budgets barely exist, leaving only one of the navy's four new frigates operational and only one its four new submarines able to put out to sea (Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). South African Navy ships and SAAF aircraft carry out anti-piracy operations in the Mozambique Channel, though this mission is also threatened by underfunding.

Despite economic troubles and a collapsing military, South Africa still desires to be a major player in Africa, which encourages it to commit to missions that stretch the military's capacity to its breaking point. Unless current trends are reversed, the steady transformation of the SANDF into an assembly of riot police and border guards will be completed in just a few years. Geography and reputation have left South Africa with few external enemies, but it is also extremely wealthy in various resources. South Africa was only cobbled together from various constituent parts a little more than a century ago, and it would not be surprising if a general collapse of South Africa's security infrastructure invited the emergence of secessionist movements drawing on both domestic and external inspiration. South Africa's eventual inability to project force beyond its borders will also have important implications for regional security in sub-Saharan Africa.

This report was compiled by JAMESTOWN FOUNDATION and cited from "Terrorism Monitor Volume: 11 Issue: 2"

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... oh my sides the dakota part cracked my ribs

LMFAO.

Book-marked

SAAF: Too broke to afford Fuel and Maintenance... Those new planes will be like 'How did we end up so unfortunate to be here??'

fydence: SAAF: Too broke to afford Fuel and Maintenance... Those new planes will be like 'How did we end up so unfortunate to be here??'

Lmfao

Oh boy, you're darn so evil.

LOL

Patches689, read. I remember your arguing ignorantly about it's existence. Nigerian COBR facility.







The presidency through the Office of the National
Security Adviser (NSA) has opened a crisis management
room to enable President Goodluck Jonathan respond to
disasters and other security challenges from any part of
the world.

It is headed by the director, presidential
communication, Command and Control Centre (PC4),
Gen. T.T. Waya.

The centre is equipped with audio and video facilities
that enhance communication between and among all
stakeholders.

NSA’s special adviser on media, Karounwi Adekunle told
LEADERSHIP Weekend yesterday that, on assumption
of office, the NSA (Col. Sambo Dasuki) felt the need to
create a rallying point for the president and his strategic
aides.

“Prior to this, there was no control point for crisis
management and emergency.To put it modestly, no clear picture of operation. When the NIGCOMSAT infrastructure was de-orbited, crisis management system collapsed,” he stated.

He said though the project was initiated by the late
NSA, Gen. Andrew Azazi, Dasuki built it with a state-of-
the-art infrastructure that was consistent with the
British Cabinet Office (COBR) and the American
Situation Room, adding that work on it commenced in
December last year.

Noting that work started principally with civil
infrastructure and ICT components, Adekunle added
that much time was spent on construction due to its
complex nature to enable real-time information with
secure audio and data video clips.

“Project was completed in August 2013 and
commissioned by President Jonathan on September 2,
2013 for which the NSA was chief host and Brig-Gen.
T.T. Waya (rtd), director, presidential communication,
Command and Control Centre (PC4), was host. This
crisis management centre would enable the president
and his strategic aides to arrive at informed decisions in
accordance with global best practices,” he explained.

On the advantages of the centre, he said it would
“enable real-time communication by audio and video
data communication between and within stakeholders.
This is an area the NSA is very much interested in”.
It would also enable table-top and simulation exercises,
he added.

“The facilities underscore the importance of giving the
president a clear view of any crisis, be it natural or
human-induced.

The capability of forecasting on the direction and
outcome of crisis in future, such as drought, famine …
so that the country can make adequate preparation.

“Strategic stakeholders, ministers, heads of security
agencies can ask for footages and other relevant
information.

It is quite instructive to note that, with these facilities,
the president has the capacity to contain or mitigate
disasters anywhere he is,” he said.

leadership.ng/news/071213/presidency-gets-crisis-control-room

Chinese republic of South-Africa. I see your chinese masters have again ordered your government to refuse/deny visa to the dalia lama.

Henry120: Chinese republic of South-Africa. I see your chinese masters have again ordered your government to refuse/deny visa to the dalia lama.

Bwahahahahahahahaha.. Chinese republic of south africa

AugustineAgain:

Bwahaha

Let's humiliate y.ou Patrick with this :

In Vietnam war, the average age of the American combat soldier was 19, by Iraqi war, those experienced men were just 34 years old !

What a mumu you are! America had fantastic war experience just 15 years before fighting Iraq in gulf war 1990.

America had over half a million soldiers and about 1,000 aircraft fighting a long 20 year war in Vietnam just 15 years before they used same experience to defeat Iraq.

@patches, you are a world class mumu !

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

Nigeria has current war experience with all her major equipment/weapons and we will have a very big advantage over South Africa in real war, all South Africa has to show is photography with ZERO combat experience.
.

How old would a 17 year old SADF soldier in 1988 be now?

Hahahahahahahah you fell into my trap so easily!!

AugustineAgain:

Chineke mo

Only 6 qualified Gripen jet pilots we know, but now it's worse, sure less than 12 Hawk jet pilots, less than 4 Rooivalk pilots, only two Valour frigates crew, only one submarine crew....and the oldest aged grey haired weak heart high blood pressure infantry soldiers in the world, with the younger soldiers hooked on HIV treatment drugs for life !

SANDF is a professionally useless military, best value we can get is to make them pose for photographs so we can have free album on internet
.

18 gripen pilots - proven many times
56 hawk pilots - proven many times
All valour class are crewed, 3 operational the fourth undergoing scheduled maintenance
The 3rd sub just became operational

I suggest you the-read the link and show us where it says what you are claiming

And btw, you only have 3 operational fighters

AugustineAgain:

Chineke mo

Only 6 qualified Gripen jet pilots we know, but now it's worse, sure less than 12 Hawk jet pilots, less than 4 Rooivalk pilots, only two Valour frigates crew, only one submarine crew....and the oldest aged grey haired weak heart high blood pressure infantry soldiers in the world, with the younger soldiers hooked on HIV treatment drugs for life !

SANDF is a professionally useless military, best value we can get is to make them pose for photographs so we can have free album on internet
.

18 gripen pilots - proven many times
56 hawk pilots - proven many times
All valour class are crewed, 3 operational the fourth undergoing scheduled maintenance
The 3rd sub just became operational

I suggest you the-read the link and show us where it says what you are claiming

And btw, you only have 3 operational fighters

And we have achieved more in the last 8 months than the Nigerian military has achieved in the last decade

Must I remind you of what we have done and what you have not?

chris365: THIS PROBABLY SUMS IT UP

[size=14pt]The South African National Defense Force - A Military in Freefall[/size]
Despite an eagerness to use the South African National Defense Force (SANDF) as a means of projecting the nation's influence abroad, there is evidence that South Africa's government has so neglected or mismanaged its military assets that it may soon be unable to defend itself, much less engage in international adventures.

Last year, Roelf Meyer, the chairman of South Africa's defense review committee, identified a number of strategic goals for the SANDF, including:

· Maintaining the security of South Africa's borders;

· Promoting peace and security in Africa;

· Assisting civil authorities in policing or anti-poaching efforts;

· Establishing South Africa as a responsible leading member of the African Union;

· Responding to new regional threats such as piracy (Business Day [Johannesburg], April 13, 2012).

However, with a reduced force size and inadequate resources, the SANDF will soon have difficulty meeting most of these goals.

[b]Life in the South African military is not seen as desirable by many potential recruits. Pay can be erratic, HIV rates are as high as 25% (making these troops unavailable for external deployment) and an estimated 35% of South Africa's military barracks have been classed as unfit for human occupation since 2007 (Mail & Guardian [Johannesburg], April 21, 2012). Without money to operate sophisticated equipment, skilled staff continue to flee at the end of their enlistment and there is little opportunity for new recruits to train in skills useful in the civilian world. Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defense has described abuse of women in the SANDF as "common," adding that many female recruits have been impregnated by their instructors (BUAnews, November 26, 2011). Racial abuse of black subordinates by white senior officers also remains a problem 19 years into the integration process. South African troops are unionized and have at times clashed with police during pay disputes[/b].

With the 2012 defense budget of $3.8 billion still far below the 2 percent of GDP required to maintain the armed forces, the South African defense department began looking at other ways of generating income, including contracting out soldiers to municipalities to do various labor and infrastructure repair projects. The department also created the Defense Estate Management agency to lease or sell-off defense department lands. Much of the land owned by the SANDF came by way of British government endowments of military facilities made on the condition that they could only be used for defense purposes

Politicization of the military is still a problem in South Africa. There has been speculation that the current chief of the SANDF, Angolan-trained Lieutenant General Solly Zacharia Shoke, received his appointment as a result of his history as a commander in Umkhonto we Sizwe, the ANC's military wing (SAPA, May 11, 2011). Umkhonto we Sizwe forces were integrated into the newly formed SANDF between 1994 and 2004. An investigative commission recently declared that the SANDF was too politicized, a situation typified by former Defense Minister Lindiwe Sisulu's preference for wearing SANDF uniforms at public occasions

A sometimes unaccountable procurement process remains a problem for the South African military; last year the political opposition revealed over $7.75 billion had passed through a defense department slush fund that had failed to reveal to parliament how the money had been spent (Johannesburg Times, April 18, 2012). The army has been overlooked in recent acquisition programs and is close to finding itself equipped with obsolete equipment in terms of armored personnel carriers, logistics vehicles and main battle tanks

South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft (SAPA, December 6, 2012; Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). World War II-era Dakotas also continue to be used for surveillance of South Africa's 3,900 kilometer coastline in the absence of modern surveillance aircraft. Meanwhile, 26 new Swedish-built Gripen fighter-jets, purchased at a cost of R10 billion (approximately $1 billion), average only two hours in the air each week; not enough to keep the machines in operable condition and far from the 10 hours of flight-time each week considered necessary to keep pilots well-trained

Former SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano retired in 2012 after trying to resign in late 2011 during his hospitalization for stress as he continued to try unsuccessfully to find enough money for the fuel and maintenance to keep the SAAF in the air. His successor, Lieutenant General Fabian Zimpande Msimang (the first black chief of the SAAF) will have trouble keeping all but executive travel jets in the air if current funding problems continue

The once formidable South African navy now spends little time at sea. Replacement parts and maintenance budgets barely exist, leaving only one of the navy's four new frigates operational and only one its four new submarines able to put out to sea (Sunday Times [Johannesburg], December 10, 2012). South African Navy ships and SAAF aircraft carry out anti-piracy operations in the Mozambique Channel, though this mission is also threatened by underfunding.

Despite economic troubles and a collapsing military, South Africa still desires to be a major player in Africa, which encourages it to commit to missions that stretch the military's capacity to its breaking point. Unless current trends are reversed, the steady transformation of the SANDF into an assembly of riot police and border guards will be completed in just a few years. Geography and reputation have left South Africa with few external enemies, but it is also extremely wealthy in various resources. South Africa was only cobbled together from various constituent parts a little more than a century ago, and it would not be surprising if a general collapse of South Africa's security infrastructure invited the emergence of secessionist movements drawing on both domestic and external inspiration. South Africa's eventual inability to project force beyond its borders will also have important implications for regional security in sub-Saharan Africa.

This report was compiled by JAMESTOWN FOUNDATION and cited from "Terrorism Monitor Volume: 11 Issue: 2"

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... oh my sides the dakota part cracked my ribs

And that report took it all from the defence reveiw

We are well aware of the problems and are in the process of fixing them

But yet, despite all these problems, our waters are piracy free, we have defended civilians from militia attacks and defeated multiple rebel groups

Can Nigeria say the same? No!

Henry120: Patches689, read. I remember your arguing ignorantly about it's existence. Nigerian COBR facility.







The presidency through the Office of the National
Security Adviser (NSA) has opened a crisis management
room to enable President Goodluck Jonathan respond to
disasters and other security challenges from any part of
the world.

It is headed by the director, presidential
communication, Command and Control Centre (PC4),
Gen. T.T. Waya.

The centre is equipped with audio and video facilities
that enhance communication between and among all
stakeholders.

NSA’s special adviser on media, Karounwi Adekunle told
LEADERSHIP Weekend yesterday that, on assumption
of office, the NSA (Col. Sambo Dasuki) felt the need to
create a rallying point for the president and his strategic
aides.

“Prior to this, there was no control point for crisis
management and emergency.To put it modestly, no clear picture of operation. When the NIGCOMSAT infrastructure was de-orbited, crisis management system collapsed,” he stated.

He said though the project was initiated by the late
NSA, Gen. Andrew Azazi, Dasuki built it with a state-of-
the-art infrastructure that was consistent with the
British Cabinet Office (COBR) and the American
Situation Room, adding that work on it commenced in
December last year.

Noting that work started principally with civil
infrastructure and ICT components, Adekunle added
that much time was spent on construction due to its
complex nature to enable real-time information with
secure audio and data video clips.

“Project was completed in August 2013 and
commissioned by President Jonathan on September 2,
2013 for which the NSA was chief host and Brig-Gen.
T.T. Waya (rtd), director, presidential communication,
Command and Control Centre (PC4), was host. This
crisis management centre would enable the president
and his strategic aides to arrive at informed decisions in
accordance with global best practices,” he explained.

On the advantages of the centre, he said it would
“enable real-time communication by audio and video
data communication between and within stakeholders.
This is an area the NSA is very much interested in”.
It would also enable table-top and simulation exercises,
he added.

“The facilities underscore the importance of giving the
president a clear view of any crisis, be it natural or
human-induced.

The capability of forecasting on the direction and
outcome of crisis in future, such as drought, famine …
so that the country can make adequate preparation.

“Strategic stakeholders, ministers, heads of security
agencies can ask for footages and other relevant
information.

It is quite instructive to note that, with these facilities,
the president has the capacity to contain or mitigate
disasters anywhere he is,” he said.

leadership.ng/news/071213/presidency-gets-crisis-control-room

Well done

But we have many and have had them for years

chris365:

Bwahahahahahahahaha.. Chinese republic of south africa

It's called politics

When you become a member of a group like BRICS you will understand how it works

patches689:

It's called politics

When you become a member of a group like BRICS you will understand how it works

Sharap!!!

It's called been slaves to the chinese. They got you by the balls.

Isn't India a member of the BRICS, yet the dalai lama lives in india and runs a government (central tibetan administration) in india.

Classless liar.

patches689:

It's called politics

When you become a member of a group like BRICS you will understand how it works

Sharap!!!

It's called been slaves to the chinese. They got you by the balls.

Isn't India a member of the BRICS, yet the dalai lama lives in india and runs a government (central tibetan administration) in india.

Classless liar.

patches689:

Well done

But we have many and have had them for years

Liar. You do not.


"The Devil is a liar, and he lives in johannesburg".

chris365:

Bwahahahahahahahaha.. Chinese republic of south africa

China's external territory outside asia, and it's main outpost in Africa. The chinese government use Zuma and his government like a mop.

Henry120:



China's external territory outside asia, and it's main outpost in Africa. The chinese government use Zuma and his government like a mop.

Yes, that's what Naai-gerians worldwide are crying for BRICS.

Say "not so" so we can post the threads.

Say "not so", so we can show you China's "roads-for-your-soul" operations in Naai-geria.

Henry120:

Sharap!!!

It's called been slaves to the chinese. They got you by the balls.

Isn't India a member of the BRICS, yet the dalai lama lives in india and runs a government (central tibetan administration) in india.

Classless liar.

Incase you didn't notice

India and China have terrible relations regardless of BRICS. On the other hand we play well with all members

And to be fair, the Dali Lama fvcked up his visa with home affairs... And we don't make exceptions for anyone apart from heads of state

Learn2geopol #peasant

Henry120:

Liar. You do not.


"The Devil is a liar, and he lives in johannesburg".

Do you know what Silvermine Joint Tactical HQ is?

Or the ultra secretive "speskop" facility?

Or Joint Operations Command in middleburg?

Brosef we are decades ahead of you