postmann:
which country turns around a pariah, dilapidated weak military institution around in 2 years ? Answer : no country. So if SA is military is down and out in 2012, it still is today. Have another try.
And i don't fall for the well-worn "out-dated new" strategy.

DieVluit:


How can we? Because

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21627646-africas-lodestar-nation-has-weathered-ebola-extremist-takeover-has-exposed?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/anationdivided

DieVluit:


Stopped reading when you said "down and out". Even Henry120, who studies our military for a living uses the word "decline".

"Down and out" is a first on this thread.

EVarn:
Outdated and poorly researched articles does not carry any weight,isnt it this same 'poorly fed and underequipped' troops that have been pushing boko haram back into gwoza and sambisa forest in the past three months?,if the NA didnt have jets and helicopters as alleged by the article,what are they using in their continous bombardment and aerial assault in the north-east,the air force has conducted over 5000 aerial bombardment on boko haram bases and hideouts,in the last five months,i say again,what are they using in conducting these assaults?,kites?,hot-air balloons?...seriously,you embarrase yourself whenever you attempt to think and then write.no wonder south africa has stagnated!

patches689:


No, it didnt say that at all.

It said it will take 9 billion rand to replace some of our older equipment and to put our military on par with the standards we have set for it.

We are the most advanced military in Southern Africa, this is an indisputable fact

postmann:
which country turns around a pariah, dilapidated weak military institution around in 2 years ? Answer : no country. So if SA is military is down and out in 2012, it still is today. Have another try.



And i don't fall for the well-worn "out-dated news" strategy.

overhypedsteve:
going by the situation in other regions like europe Asia and the caribean you may be right. But may i remind you that africa can easily be classified as a nation of people binded together by a common skin colour, common history, common failures, common struggle, common injuries and common victories i.e. the victory over slavery, colonialism, apathied , racism and economic woes of newly independent states. We re unique my good friend. You cannot compare the bond that binds african states with that of any other nations on earth except the Arabs

postmann:
on paper, boy, on paper. SA military = paper Tigers.

ActivateKruger:


There's a way we debate in this thread, you post something you back it up with a valid source.

So far you are failing to provide any.

postmann:
And there's a minimum acceptable level of logic here. If one presents a source, do not assume it has been thrashed before, it doesn't matter how often it has been said. Fact is fact,no matter how worn.

Also simple truths don't always need source, it just a tactless and lousy excuses you fools use to deny truth. Paper tigers.

postmann:
And there's a minimum acceptable level of logic here. If one presents a source, do not assume it has been thrashed before, it doesn't matter how often it has been said. Fact is fact,no matter how worn.

Also simple truths don't always need source, it just a tactless and lousy excuses you fools use to deny truth. Paper tigers.

ActivateKruger:


When the article was released, SA was the best military in Africa after Egypt.

What's your point?

postmann:
says who, thief? The article said your neighbours would wipe you off at a go.

Also, your imaginary military strength was during apatheid when the afrikaans were stocking weapons in the even of a military coup or armed struggled. After the apatheid era those weapons deteriorated without accomplishing any international military glory.

During the Lybia crisis, the international press knew China was a paper Tiger. I was expecting your troops there since your government was making so much noise. But we know you guys are cowards with no molitary glory.

You keep looking for military battles Internationally credited to SA, i wish you good luck in your search.

postmann:
China was a paper Tiger.

DieVluit:


The folly of "Logic" and unsubstantiated views.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1560065/chinas-navy-no-longer-so-inferior-japans-experts-say?page=all

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/06/us-china-japan-navy-idUSBRE9251GU20130306

Support your views and be taken seriously. Fail to and remain a joke.

postmann:
i know you can't smell logic even it were thrust into your Zulu nostrils or inserted into your brain.
China kitted and supplied the Libyan forces with military hardware and their tools proved a no match for the Liberation rebels. That was during so much international hype of China's new molitary strength and equipment. So everyone one was waiting for some kind of action.
So the international press dubbed them paper Tigers at the closure of that war, glory-thief, what's so hard for yoy to comprehend ?
Source-magnet like you.

postmann:
says who, thief? The article said your neighbours would wipe you off at a go....

postmann:


You keep looking for military battles Internationally credited to SA, i wish you good luck in your search.

ActivateKruger:



Evidence will be nice, military facts, statistics..... not a mere article.




WWI - kicked the Germans out of Namibia
WWII - kicked the Italians out of East Africa and battled them in North Africa
Korea - Medals of Honors from the USA
Angola - Killed almost 10 000 Cubans, countless insurgents
DRC - Bombed the M23 out of existence and snatched a sniping record, best ever recorded in African soil.

postmann:
Lies Lies Lies, from glory-thieves. Sources and articles have been posted here repeatedly on this thread. It was an international operation and southafrica was not even leading the operation.


Look for another lie, boy, we gotten used to this one.

postmann:
i know you can't smell logic even it were thrust into your Zulu nostrils or inserted into your brain.


China kitted and supplied the Libyan forces with military hardware and their tools proved a no match for the Liberation rebels. That was during so much international hype of China's new military strength and equipment. So everyone was waiting for some kind of action.

So the international press dubbed them paper Tigers at the closure of that war, glory-thief, what's so hard for you to comprehend ?

Source-magnet like you.

postmann:
Lies Lies Lies, from glory-thieves. Sources and articles have been posted here repeatedly on this thread. It was an international operation and southafrica was not even leading the operation.


Look for another lie, boy, we gotten used to this one.

patches689:


.how can you call a country that is spending over N1trillion{approx:$7billion} + a $1billion supplementary in 2014,is has a weak and underequipped military?

First, you are buying sub-par equipment.

Second, your arsenal is pathetic, let me list some examples:

1. ALL of your heavy armor is obsolete (T54/55, AMX, Vickers)
2. Your light tanks are also, obsolete
4. You operate 21 seperate models APC's and IFV's and Scout vehicals - most are obsolete or aging, this mean that they are of limited use and are a logistical nightmare
5. ALL of your ATGM's are obsolete
6. Your artillery is a mess
7. You air defence is completely obsolete and based on a hodgepodge of 4 seperate gun systems and 4 obsolete missile systems

Your arsenal is a mess, is well beyond block obsolescence

It shows that you have no single direct doctrine, it shows that your logistics in operations will be a mess and rumor has it most of them arent operational

,how can a nation that is giving advanced training to its troops in advanced military nations of the world,a weak nation?

The fact that you need to send your troops for training shows you are weak.

if the current military budget were to continue over the span of the next 10 years,then the NAmF is going to be the most powerful military of the continent

And your country and economy will be in the tubes as you are spending 2/3s your budget on your military

f the whole ECOWAS countries were ally together to fight nigeria,we will simply make quick work of them,they know that,thats why the ghanaian military chief said "an unstable nigeria,is an unstable west africa,it also spells doom for africa.that can never be allowed"

Boko haram alone has been whipping you so no, you wouldent

And he is talking about the destabilizing effect of a civil war in a country with a population of 150 million

can the same be said of SADAC?,tanzania alone will pose more than enough threat to SA

The tanzanian military would be target practice for us.

SA.south africa can never lead the black race,its a puppet nation!

The irony of this sentence

agaugust:



South Africa too has thousands of old outdated 1980s generation weapons and 1950s aircraft, we have posted that many times here and tired of repeating them.


Nigeria has the biggest and most modern artillery weapons in sub-saharan Africa, Bofors FH-77 and Palmaria SPHA

Nigeria has the biggest, most powerful, most sophisticated ISTAR aircraft force is Africa, even Egypt is behind us by far.

Nigeria has battalions of amphibious armoured fighting vehicles, while South African army is equipped for dry land warfare only.

Nigerian army air defence missiles have ceiling/altitude of 5km while South African army air defence missile ceiling/altitude is only 1km

Nigeria has the most experienced army in Africa as at today 2014.

I think you are very lazy to do simple research.

Also, the current aircraft arsenal of Nigerian air force is NOT published, 4th Genration and ultra-modern jet fighters were delivered last month and the Air force chief said they will be shown to public later.

EVarn:
nigeria has the best aerial defence in africa,and has the most secured airspace.nigeria is the only african country with cloud-penetrating spy satallite.why do saffers bother?

DieVluit:


And he went full racist. So, if you support him and if we play the game, don't cry when the thread gets messed up.

You know I can bring it. Anarchy is a post away.

patches689:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Great joke, what is your next one?

agaugust:

United Nations military success of about 20 countries in Congo DRC is being stolen and broadcasted as South African military achievement on this forum, so we should keep quiet and watch you guys fabricate lies and spread falsehood here?

.

patches689:


Nigeria has the biggest and most modern artillery weapons in sub-saharan Africa, Bofors FH-77 and Palmaria SPHA

Bofors Fh-77 - entered service in 1978
G5 Artillery - entered service in 1983

Palmaria - entered service in 1982
G6 - entered service in 1987

Both our weapons systems are more modern. Both have greater range. Both are more advanced.

Nigeria has the biggest, most powerful, most sophisticated ISTAR aircraft force is Africa, even Egypt is behind us by far.

Egypt has 160 known drones, they also have two Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye

You have one nice asset, they have a better system of assets.

conclusion: Egypt is superior

Nigerian army air defence missiles have ceiling/altitude of 5km while South African army air defence missile ceiling/altitude is only 1km

Starstreak 2 has a range of over 6km and an altitude of 5km - we have just received our orders of Starstreak 2
http://www.deagel.com/Surface-to-Air-Missiles/Starstreak_a001059001.aspx

Our SAM's are more modern, advanced and leathal than yours.

Nigeria has battalions of amphibious armoured fighting vehicles, while South African army is equipped for dry land warfare only.

The MPLA and Cubans had battalions as well, they didnt help them.

Pro-tip: Amphibious vehicals have less armour
Pro-tip: We have bridge layers

[size=14pt]Nigeria also does not have:

- a data-link
- a pure blood 4th gen fighter
- submarines
- advanced missile armed frigates
- tactical vehicles
- mine clearance devices
- standardized MGL's and AGL's
- precision munitions
- dedicated attack helicopters
- modern ATGM's
- modern IFVs (or even a plan to get some)
- modern transport helo's
- capacity for EW warfare
- CRAM
- modern or modernized armour
- standardized equipment
- You also dont have enough MRAP's and Radios
- you use the AK-47
[/size]

It has been an absolute pleasure obliterating your post