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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:42am On Dec 02, 2015
O
Zaha:
South Africa Knocks Nigeria off its Perch as
“Most Corrupt” African Country
South Africa is now believed to be the most
corrupt country on the continent, according
to a new survey.
By Alexis Haden
The latest report by Transparency
International sees South Africa top the list
of countries where citizens believe the
problem has got worse in the last year.
Over 80% of South Africans who were
interviewed thought that corruption had
increased over the last year. Ghana and
Nigeria are some of the other worst-
affected nations.
79% of South Africans surveyed also believe
that not enough is being done to curb
corruption. On the continent‚ the majority of
Africans (58%) say that corruption has
increased over the past year.
If there is one shining light to the survey
it’s that 56% of South Africans surveyed
believe that ordinary people can make a
difference in the fight against corruption.
The survey found that 25% of respondents
in SA believe that the most effective way for
ordinary citizens to combat corruption is by
reporting their experiences‚ followed by a
further 22% who identified the refusal to pay
bribes as an effective means to fight
corruption.
With 43‚143 respondents, across 28
countries surveyed, people feel the police,
business executives, government officials
and the courts were all perceived as
corrupt, with 75 million people estimated to
have paid a bribe in the past year, AFP
reports.
Between JZ pouring money into his Nkandla
digs, Prasa’s dodgy trainsand countless of
other scandals, South Africans aren’t
exactly stoked about the state of affairs.
“People are outraged, they see this huge
spending as part of government corruption,”
David Lewis, director of Corruption Watch, a
local anti-graft organisation, told AFP.
“Corruption creates and increases poverty
and exclusion,” Transparency International
head Jose Ugaz said in a statement. source: www.thesouthafrican.com/south-africa-knocks-
nigeria-off-its-perch-as-most-corrupt-african-
country/

It is good that they are still believing, meaning it is not yet confirmed to be what they believe it to be.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iblawi(m): 11:20am On Dec 02, 2015
mzilakazi:
O

It is good that they are still believing, meaning it is not yet confirmed to be what they believe it to be.

At least is good news South Africa has improved on something.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:33am On Dec 02, 2015
iblawi:


At least is good news South Africa has improved on something.
And random civilians are experts on transparency/corruption??

According to Transparency international, we are the ranked 67th least corrupt country in the world, Nigeria is ranked 135th.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:39am On Dec 02, 2015
mzilakazi:
O

It is good that they are still believing, meaning it is not yet confirmed to be what they believe it to be.
Asking random civilians who are disgruntled with the current government if they think corruption has gotten worse.....What do you think they are going to say?

Anyway according to Transparency International, who rank more than a 160 countries, ranked South Africa 67th least corrupt country in the world, Nigeria on the other hand ranked 136th....and neither South Africa or Nigeria have ever been anywhere close to the most corrupt countries in Africa.

So don't worry mate!!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iblawi(m): 1:02pm On Dec 02, 2015
jln115:

And random civilians are experts on transparency/corruption??

According to Transparency international, we are the ranked 67th least corrupt country in the world, Nigeria is ranked 135th.

jln115:

Asking random civilians who are disgruntled with the current government if they think corruption has gotten worse.....What do you think they are going to say?

Anyway according to Transparency International, who rank more than a 160 countries, ranked South Africa 67th least corrupt country in the world, Nigeria on the other hand ranked 136th....and neither South Africa or Nigeria have ever been anywhere close to the most corrupt countries in Africa.

So don't worry mate!!

I don't know about all this stuff all I know is that there is improvement in South Africa's ranking in an area where Nigeria is falling.

Congrats
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:31pm On Dec 02, 2015
iblawi:





I don't know about all this stuff all I know is that there is improvement in South Africa's ranking in an area where Nigeria is falling.

Congrats
Ok so Nigeria according to you, is more corrupt than Somalia, Zimbabwe, CAR , DRC , South Sudan ect ect?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iblawi(m): 1:36pm On Dec 02, 2015
jln115:

Ok so Nigeria according to you, is more corrupt than Somalia, Zimbabwe, CAR , DRC , South Sudan ect ect?
I don't know anything about this topic.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 1:45pm On Dec 02, 2015
iblawi:

I don't know anything about this topic.

Well put. You don't know anything.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:53pm On Dec 02, 2015
iblawi:

I don't know anything about this topic.
Ok good, so don't comment on something you admit you know nothing about.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 1:58pm On Dec 02, 2015
iblawi:





I don't know about all this stuff all I know is that there is improvement in South Africa's ranking in an area where Nigeria is falling.

Congrats

South Africans and Nigerian are more willing and less fearful of talking about Corruption, we see any form of corruption as a bad thing, and that's why we're so high up, unlike in actually hardcore corrupt Countries where the citizens see it as a normal thing.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 2:05pm On Dec 02, 2015
Centrifude:


South Africans and Nigerian are more willing and less fearful of talking about Corruption, we see any form of corruption as a bad thing, and that's why we're so high up, unlike in actually hardcore corrupt Countries where the citizens see it as a normal thing.


The question that was asked was this: "Do you believe corruption is getting worse in your country?". South Africans who were surveyed answered yes. It's a barometer survey that really means nothing. This is a ranking of countries whose citizens believe corruption is getting worse. It is NOT a ranking of the most corrupt countries.

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ssaengine: 2:08pm On Dec 02, 2015
http://m.timeslive.co.za/local/?articleId=15965166

SANDF Rooivalk attack helicopters have launched multiple attacks on Islamic-linked rebel forces in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo.

The Ugandan separatist Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) have been behind a spate of massacres at schools‚ hospitals and villages in the region.South African National Defence Force troops are in the area as part of a United Nations-backed peacekeeping mission to restore stability to the eastern DRC.

The attacks by the SANDF late yesterday were carried out despite the DRC government trying to forbid the UN's actions.Reports indicate that the helicopters caused considerable damage to several of the rebels' bases‚ although exact losses of ADF personnel are unknown.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:08pm On Dec 02, 2015
DieVluit:


As soon as you show us proof of soldiers taking on the attackers. You don't have a monopoly over deliberate silliness. Since you were there to count the fighters on the battlefield. Show us proof.

No one cares about who won the battle. We care only about the fact that they ran. Civilians remained behind to hold the territory. The cowardly soldiers, having been given a lifeline by civilians, came back. Shame on Nigeria.

Your very own source says Nigerian soldiers fought off Bokos and the Bokos ran away, your own source has ruined your argument completely, you shöt yöurself in the foot cheesycheesy

"The civilian fighters held Gulak town after soldiers ran away Sunday night until the military sent reinforcements who fought off the extremists former council chairman James Ularamu told The Associated Press."

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/11/30/boko-haram-destroys-nigerian-military-base-107-troops-mia

You don't care about who won the battle because it was Nigerian army that won, so envy and shame is eating up your liver by now cheesycheesy
.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:20pm On Dec 02, 2015
Patchesagain:


We have fought insurgencies (Namibia)

And we were able to stop any towns from being taken - and stop SWAPO (PLAN) from establishing any permanent bases in South Africa.

Just because you fail does not mean we fail!

Old time retired or dead apartheid white army fought Namibia, not these new SANDF of black Soweto boys 99% of whom have never killed a rat with rifle and bullet since the day they were born....LOL....SANDF has ZERO experience of urban warfare that they practically fought, not in demo videos of public image making.

The currently experienced armies of modern day African urban warfare are those of Kenya, Uganda, Algeria, Nigeria.

South Africa is NOT in that elite league.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 3:23pm On Dec 02, 2015
DieVluit:



The question that was asked was this: "Do you believe corruption is getting worse in your country?". South Africans who were surveyed answered yes. It's a barometer survey that really means nothing. This is a ranking of countries whose citizens believe corruption is getting worse. It is NOT a ranking of the most corrupt countries.
I know the Survey was based on random opinions and not actual facts. I was just mentioning that Nigerians and S.Ans are more fearlessly inclined to talk about the issue of corruption, and that why we ranked so high.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:25pm On Dec 02, 2015
Patchesagain:


That did not happen.

Did happen in Nigeria though


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY36o7O6LpY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WxPK6xdukQ

Past event that has changed, Last year old videos of Gwoza town that is now controlled by Nigerian army.

All those Bokos are now dead, they paid with their lives for infiltrating Gwoza town, we made them pay with their lives, their wives are now widows and their children Fatherless courtesy of Nigerian army bullets.

Whose flag flies in that town in your videos today? Whose flag?

We all know Seleka's flag flies in Bangui where SANDF is afraid to ever go back and redeem their bastardized national pride cheesy
.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:29pm On Dec 02, 2015
Patchesagain:


Ask the M23

Ask your Tanzanian army commander that controls your SANDF....ask your Tanzanian boss tongue
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:30pm On Dec 02, 2015
ssaengine:
http://m.timeslive.co.za/local/?articleId=15965166

SANDF Rooivalk attack helicopters have launched multiple attacks on Islamic-linked rebel forces in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo.

The Ugandan separatist Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) have been behind a spate of massacres at schools‚ hospitals and villages in the region.South African National Defence Force troops are in the area as part of a United Nations-backed peacekeeping mission to restore stability to the eastern DRC.

The attacks by the SANDF late yesterday were carried out despite the DRC government trying to forbid the UN's actions.Reports indicate that the helicopters caused considerable damage to several of the rebels' bases‚ although exact losses of ADF personnel are unknown.
If the Rooivalk hasn't proved its worth by now, I don't know what will!!

Apparently there are 2 countries( excl SA) interested in the Rooivalk, and if I remember correctly a minimum order of 75 units is necessary to restart production.

Personally I feel Denel should partner with an African country as well in developing the Rooivalk 2, and when I say African country I specifically mean Nigeria, they are in need of a dedicated Attack Helo and have the financial and industrial resources to partner South Africa in producing the Rooivalk 2. Opening a production facility in Nigeria could also possibly open a new market for the Rooivalk in North and West Africa.

The 2 countries interested in the Rooivalk(possibly Brazil and Malaysia) will most likely result in an order of 40-60 units, SAAF could do with another 20 Rooivalk and Nigeria would also be looking for 20+ units, thus we have a minimum of 80 orders and a maximum of about 100 units, enough to restart production grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:31pm On Dec 02, 2015
mzilakazi:




Who said BH mission was to.capture the town? .

Show us proof that Boko Haram communicated their mission objective for that town to you.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:31pm On Dec 02, 2015
agaugust:


Ask your Tanzanian army commander that controls your SANDF....ask your Tanzanian boss tongue
Jap, Tanzania also outclasses your military, nobody is arguing that!!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:44pm On Dec 02, 2015
Zaha:
South Africa Knocks Nigeria off its Perch as
“Most Corrupt” African Country
South Africa is now believed to be the most
corrupt country on the continent, according
to a new survey.
By Alexis Haden
The latest report by Transparency
International sees South Africa top the list
of countries where citizens believe the
problem has got worse in the last year.
Over 80% of South Africans who were
interviewed thought that corruption had
increased over the last year. Ghana and
Nigeria are some of the other worst-
affected nations.
79% of South Africans surveyed also believe
that not enough is being done to curb
corruption. On the continent‚ the majority of
Africans (58%) say that corruption has
increased over the past year.
If there is one shining light to the survey
it’s that 56% of South Africans surveyed
believe that ordinary people can make a
difference in the fight against corruption.
The survey found that 25% of respondents
in SA believe that the most effective way for
ordinary citizens to combat corruption is by
reporting their experiences‚ followed by a
further 22% who identified the refusal to pay
bribes as an effective means to fight
corruption.
With 43‚143 respondents, across 28
countries surveyed, people feel the police,
business executives, government officials
and the courts were all perceived as
corrupt, with 75 million people estimated to
have paid a bribe in the past year, AFP
reports.
Between JZ pouring money into his Nkandla
digs, Prasa’s dodgy trainsand countless of
other scandals, South Africans aren’t
exactly stoked about the state of affairs.
“People are outraged, they see this huge
spending as part of government corruption,”
David Lewis, director of Corruption Watch, a
local anti-graft organisation, told AFP.
“Corruption creates and increases poverty
and exclusion,” Transparency International
head Jose Ugaz said in a statement.

source: www.thesouthafrican.com/south-africa-knocks-
nigeria-off-its-perch-as-most-corrupt-african-
country/


South African economy and society has been wrecked by the Zulu/Xhosa/Bantu fools, no wonder their apartheid white masters never wanted to hand over power to them, they knew these rëtards will just destroy South African white man's achievements of 300 years in less than 300 months, that is exactly what has happened now....brainless fools and theives now rule South Africa cheesycheesycheesy
.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iblawi(m): 3:44pm On Dec 02, 2015
jln115:

Jap, Tanzania also outclasses your military, nobody is arguing that!!

Yes, no 1 is and that is why nobody is also arguing that Tanzanian military equally outclass South Africa's old sick military.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 3:44pm On Dec 02, 2015
agaugust:


Your very own source says Nigerian soldiers fought off Bokos and the Bokos ran away, your own source has ruined your argument completely, you shöt yöurself in the foot cheesycheesy

"The civilian fighters held Gulak town after soldiers ran away Sunday night until the military sent reinforcements who fought off the extremists former council chairman James Ularamu told The Associated Press."

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/11/30/boko-haram-destroys-nigerian-military-base-107-troops-mia

You don't care about who won the battle because it was Nigerian army that won, so envy and shame is eating up your liver by now cheesycheesy
.


My source also says the soldiers ran away and that civilians held the territory. So, you've effectively said nothing. That your cowardly soldiers ran away and only came back after civilians helped them out is undeniable and shameful.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:46pm On Dec 02, 2015
iblawi:


At least is good news South Africa has improved on something.

Yes o ! South Africa climbs up the corruption ladder and climbs down the economic growth ladder
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 3:47pm On Dec 02, 2015
agaugust:


Yes o ! South Africa climbs up the corruption ladder and climbs down the economic growth ladder

The list of top 50 Africa's richest says different.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:49pm On Dec 02, 2015
agaugust:


[s]Old time retired or dead apartheid white army fought Namibia, not these new SANDF of black Soweto boys 99% of whom have never killed a rat with rifle and bullet since the day they were born....LOL....SANDF has ZERO experience of urban warfare that they practically fought, not in demo videos of public image making.

The currently experienced armies of modern day African urban warfare are those of Kenya, Uganda, Algeria, Nigeria.

South Africa is NOT in that elite league.[/s]

1. Those "old men" passed on the knowledge they learnt through training
1a. A man who was 17 in 1989 is how old now?

2. Zero experience in urban warfare?

“I remember when I signed up in 1993. There was a lot of violence in the townships in Johannesburg. We were deployed in Thokoza where there was a lot of fighting between the ANC and the Inkatha. There the ANC fighters would run, shooting wildly towards us as they ran. But we were trained, we have discipline. So we just shot “tsup tsup, tsup tsup”, like that”, he said, pointing his fingers like a rifle. “Those were good days,” he continued. “Exciting days.”

3. We have the most advanced training facilities and training equipment in Africa. Training > Experience

Now the facts remain unchanged:

We have fought insurgencies (Namibia)

And we were able to stop any towns from being taken - and stop SWAPO (PLAN) from establishing any permanent bases in South Africa.


Just because you fail does not mean we fail!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:50pm On Dec 02, 2015
ssaengine:
http://m.timeslive.co.za/local/?articleId=15965166

SANDF Rooivalk attack helicopters have launched multiple attacks on Islamic-linked rebel forces in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo.

The Ugandan separatist Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) have been behind a spate of massacres at schools‚ hospitals and villages in the region.South African National Defence Force troops are in the area as part of a United Nations-backed peacekeeping mission to restore stability to the eastern DRC.

The attacks by the SANDF late yesterday were carried out despite the DRC government trying to forbid the UN's actions.Reports indicate that the helicopters caused considerable damage to several of the rebels' bases‚ although exact losses of ADF personnel are unknown.

jln115:


If the Rooivalk hasn't proved its worth by now, I don't know what will!!


Rebel worthy $40 million Rooivalk helicopter doing the job a $1 million Gazelle helicopter is doing against Boko Haram....congrats on your Amoeba size achievement
.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:51pm On Dec 02, 2015
agaugust:


[s]Past event that has changed, Last year old videos of Gwoza town that is now controlled by Nigerian army.

All those Bokos are now dead, they paid with their lives for infiltrating Gwoza town, we made them pay with their lives, their wives are now widows and their children Fatherless courtesy of Nigerian army bullets.

Whose flag flies in that town in your videos today? Whose flag?

We all know Seleka's flag flies in Bangui where SANDF is afraid to ever go back and redeem their bastardized national pride[/s] cheesy
.

1. Your men ran like the cowards they are
2. Bangui is not part of South Africa. We were prepared to retake the town but the local Regional Bloc would not support us. We did not run

With 400 men in Cameroon and soldiers wearing womens clothing and video evidence of men running away you should not be talking about bravery
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:52pm On Dec 02, 2015
agaugust:


Show us proof that Boko Haram communicated their mission objective for that town to you.

Show us proof that Boko Haram communicated their mission objective for that town to you.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:57pm On Dec 02, 2015
Patchesagain:


Show us proof that Boko Haram communicated their mission objective for that town to you.

I never claimed they did, your Southy foolish friend is the one claiming to know Boko Harams mission objective from inside his bedroom. Ask him how he knew it.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:02pm On Dec 02, 2015
agaugust:




Rebel worthy $40 million Rooivalk helicopter doing the job a $1 million Gazelle helicopter is doing against Boko Haram....congrats on your Amoeba size achievement
.


Its funny you say that, because the Mi24 couldn't get the job done! That's why the UN specifically requested for the Rooivalk.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:04pm On Dec 02, 2015
iblawi:


Yes, no 1 is and that is why nobody is also arguing that Tanzanian military equally outclass South Africa's old sick military.
Because they don't mate!

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