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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by cheikh: 2:49pm On Jan 01, 2011
@texazzpete- Thank you! The Angolans have been trained/ used some of the more modern tanks and transport planes which Nigeria does not have etc.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by cheikh: 2:32am On Jan 16, 2011
@texazzpete
If that Angolan unit had come up against the South African Defense Force, they'd have been massacred.



Actually they did with the aid of the Cubans and the South Africans soon realised that the game have changed. I remember that Fidel Castro and Mugabe supporting direct action/advance but many weak hearted African countries notably Nigeria objected. Psychologically the presence of the Cubans with better Russian materials and training suddenly swayed the apartheid South Africans to think again and nudged them towards the negotiation table; besides, it was no longer economically sustainable/attractive. You cannot win a war in faraway lands if you have a large hostile disagreeable internal population potentially more dangerous than the external enemy(Angolans/Cuban technical advisers) baying for a fight. The over hyped prowess of the South Africans(Whites) was just that vis a vis their Captive and defenceless Black population.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by umaru41: 12:09am On Jan 29, 2011
Someone said Ethiopia and eritrea, Are u kidding? Those malnourished people are not even strong enough to man an AK47. I have dogs bigger than those people. The top 3 best military in Africa based on weapons, technology and money to run a war.

1). Egypt - Even though they are located on the African continent, they r not really considered africans. Libyans are more africans than these sand niggers
2). Nigeria - May not have the latest technologically weapons, and not fully trained, they have the money to acquire them. Also have the man power to go further in war
3). SA - Has the current systems but lack the money and man power to go the long haul in a war.

grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 1:32pm On Jun 04, 2011
umaru41:

Someone said Ethiopia and eritrea, Are u kidding? Those malnourished people are not even strong enough to man an AK47. I have dogs bigger than those people. The top 3 best military in Africa based on weapons, technology and money to run a war.

1). Egypt - Even though they are located on the African continent, they r not really considered africans. Libyans are more africans than these sand niggers
2). Nigeria - May not have the latest technologically weapons, and not fully trained, they have the money to acquire them. Also have the man power to go further in war
3). SA - Has the current systems but lack the money and man power to go the long haul in a war.

grin


Interesting, so many said Libya and Egypt were the strongest armies in Africa, LOL, well I will let current affairs speak for me. Any nation can defeat the west in a gorilla war history has proven that, they can't even defeat the Taliban!

Others even mentioned Ethiopia and eritrea LOL!!!!! Any where the majority of people are not black in Africa has the strongest army - thats the mentality of the typical UNCONFIDENT African LOL!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by 2muchlogic(m): 1:45pm On Jun 04, 2011
2011 millitary expenditure:

Country GDP rank % of GDP rank Millitary Spending

South Africa $504,600,000,000 26 1.7% 93 $8,578,200,000

Nigeria $341,100,000,000 33 1.5% 101 $5,116,500,000

Ethiopia $77,360,000,000 79 0.0% IISS $870,000,000

Libya $84,920,000,000 74 3.9% 26 $3,311,880,000

Egypt $468,700,000,000 27 0.6% 161 $2,812,200,000

Angola $106,200,000,000 66 3.6% 34 $3,823,200,000

source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm

Its common knowledge that there is a strong correlation between economic strength and military might; therefore SA and Nigeria are the Most powerful in Africa. We all know that South Africas military (and everything else) is and was built by the Boers, how many south African soldiers are black? so lets not fool ourselves. Whilst the Egyptians are Arabs/Africans/Muslims/, and their military is funded by American aid - around $2 billion a year! So if we take those facts into consideration coupled with the fact that Nigeria has the largest (very young) population in Africa - Nigeria is the most powerful military force in Africa at present is Nigeria.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by bugalive: 4:16pm On Jun 27, 2011
Don't even mention Congo(RDC), by the way they did not chase out the Rwandan Forces/Ugandan Forces, these 2 tiny countries chose to leave because they had stolen enough minerals. Rwanda is 1/80th of Congo for God's sake, how can they invade and change the leadership of such a big country?! Africa is by and large a joke my freinds. Lets hope us the youth have got what it takes to change things.


Best armies IMHO:

SA- by far the best equipped and will clean the floor anywhere in Africa
Ethiopia- fearless and disciplined, legendary known to be well trained
Egypt- Just number and old soviet machines
, and then

Rwanda- youngish forces and extremely well trained and professional- evidence: they always clean congo's floor anytime they want
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by russellino: 4:30pm On Jun 27, 2011
In a heartbeat the strongest army is South Africa. A distant second is Egypt. Like someone posted, Ethiopia has some of the hardest and best trained infantry men you can find on the continent. I remember when Ethiopia was called to take out the islamic militia in Mogadishu and strengthen the power base of the president. so far the Ethiopian troops have been the only ones who were able to wipe them out of mogadishu
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Kaabeejii(m): 2:21pm On Jul 11, 2011
Nigeria

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by hardballs: 11:24am On Aug 07, 2011
@ ElRazur pls dnt b deceived, even the number 1 army in the world(USA) cant invade china without suffering their worse defeat in their history, 4 the record china is placed 3rd in military strength, they also ve almost all the major weapons which Russia and USA have in their arsenal, the have just developed the drown which America have refused to sell(develop with Chinese technology). the fact that china can develop their own weapons is an advantage which make dem save money in time of war also making America not to no their their capability. Chinese r the most dedicated people in the world with the never say die ability/spirit they possess, even @ defeat they will still attack.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by odumchi: 4:55am On Aug 08, 2011
Egyptian military is the strongest and most experienced in Africa. They've been fighting since 1949. Second is most definitely Nigeria third is SA fourth is Ethiopia.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:21pm On Nov 13, 2011
Here is a brief about the South African National Defence Force to those who may not know it and to those with distorted views here are the facts:
History of the South African Special Forces:
The South Africa Special Forces are known as the Recces and are the main special forces branch of the defense force for South Africa.

Their History

The South African Special Forces Brigade, as they are also known, were created on 1st October1972 as a reconnaissance commando team. They now consist of several regiments and are headquartered in Seskop, Pretoria Gauteng. They have been restructured several times through the years and now consist of several brigade sized forces.

How To Become A Member Of The Recces

All members of the Recces must be soldiers as well as South African Citizens to apply for this special forces unit which is considered to be one of the most challenging in the world. There is pre-selection training, as well as other courses for those who make this first cut. Candidates must be part of the military and must meet very stringent requirements in order to be considered for pre-selection training.

Recces Training

Pre-selection training consists of psychological and physical tests as well as oral examinations. There are strenuous physical tests of endurance that must be performed. These include a 3 km run in full gear to be completed in 13 minutes; 67 sit ups to be done in 2 minutes, rope climbing, wall scaling and 40 non-stop push ups. In addition, each cadet has to perform 120 shuttle kicks, climb a wall that is 10 ft high and complete a 15 kms march within 2 hours.

They must demonstrate maturity as well as physical qualifications before they can continue to the parachuting course and then to the orientation course.

The psychological tests include oral interviews with Special Forces NCOs in addition to written tests. Even a hint of mental instability can lead to instant exclusion from the army training.

After they have completed the Orientation course, all soldiers must then go through intensive land, sea and airborne training.

Land training includes tracking and survival, reconnaissance and demolitions and sniping.

Sea training includes swimming, navigation, diving, underwater demolitions and beach reconnaissance.

Advanced airborne training includes rappelling and free falling.

What Are They Best At?

They are best at reconnaissance, sabotage, underwater demolition and counter terrorism.

Weapons Of The Recces

A full range of military weapons are used by this special forces brigade similar to those used by the SAS and Navy Seals.

Known Missions

The South African Recces were active in Angola as well as Namibia during the 70s and the 80s, during which time their main adversary was the South West Africa’s People Organization ( SWAPO). The SWAPO was comprised of a group of guerillas fighting for an independent Namibia.

“Operation Mebos”, carried out in 1982 was one of their most well known operations. During this operation, the Recces stormed and destroyed the SWAPO headquarters, which was located deep into Angola. Later, in 1984, they carried out “Operation Askari”. In this operation, they severed all supply lines to and from SWAPO.

Units

There are several units consisting of the 1 Reconnaissance Commando, the 4 Reconnaissance Commando, the 5 Reconnaissance Commando and the 7th Medical Battalion.

Are They Professional Soldiers?

The members of this special forces elite team are professional soldiers, most of whom remain with the special forces until retirement.

What it was all about:
A Small Team, (2 Operators), or a Team, (12 Operators), would do this. In such an operation, a Reconnaissance Mission would be undertaken on an enemy strategic position – on a military position or a military complex in a (for example, in Angola).


Firstly, one would have to infiltrate. This would entail walking to the target area -

In enemy territory all the way.
In a war situation, with enemy soldiers and forces (very good and highly trained ones) all along the route - constantly searching for us.
With potentially hostile local population all over the place, who would instantly inform the enemy soldiers if we were detected.
With the enemy having complete air superiority, and having helicopter and helicopter gunship patrols frequently.
With no possibility of any support, resupply or evacuation by ground or air.
Carrying all food, water, sleeping equipment, military equipment, and ammunition - of a quantity that could last for weeks.
Meaning that the weight of one's rucksack - excluding webbing and weapon/s - would be 60kg to 80kg - or in some cases 100kg. (As an educational exercise, just try to walk normally - or lift - a rucksack weighing 80 kg).
Walking in over 300km to 400km or more - inside enemy territory.


Infiltration would be long and arduous, moving mostly at night, conducting anti-tracking, lying up in hides in the day, avoiding all enemy forces and local population - all the while carrying this killing weight, navigating accurately through the bush or through mountains, crossing crocodile-infested, deep and fast-flowing rivers (not by bridge), coming across lions and other dangerous animals, eating and drinking hardly anything to conserve rations, tolerating all weather conditions from freezing to frying and from tropical rain to no water at all, never speaking, never cooking, never making noise, always doing anti-tracking, always alert - all the while aware that if you were compromised, you were on your own, and however far you were in - so far you would have to get out - without any help, and with the full and mighty force of the enemy hunting you.



At the target area, one would have to get into a hide right at the enemy position - which could be a base harbouring thousands of enemy soldier. “Right at” the enemy position meaning right in direct sight of the base with the naked eye. One may also have to move around to various hides at various points around the enemy base, all the time making maps, notes, records, assessments, etc. On various occasions, the reconnaissance would entail penetrating right inside the actual enemy base to conduct reconnaissance.



Once enough information had been obtained, one would have to exfiltrate - all the way back - on foot, with all the obstacles and challenges that one had faced on the infiltration. The only difference would be that one may be running low on water and food - and could not -without extreme danger of being compromised - take food from fields or go to rivers / waterholes for water, as these are they are routinely busy or watched.



If one was compromised on the infiltration or exfiltration, the enemy would deploy hundreds or thousands of men between the contact point and the border - by plane, by helicopter, by vehicle, on foot from their forward bases. They would form huge interdiction lines cutting off direct escape routes, and would conduct hundreds of patrols, and have standing ambushes all over the place. Their aircraft and helicopters would fly all over the area - searching. Also, they would get onto your tracks - and chase you - running you down with teams and teams of fresh men, changing when they got tired so that they were always fresh while you got tired. Trying to force you into their ambushes in front of you, with stopper groups deployed at the sides to prevent you from escaping to the side.



One would have to survive such a situation, applying Escape and Evasion techniques - sometimes over hundreds of kilometres - running, lying up & hiding, passing stealthily through enemy positions, or staying in cover while they walked right over you, or entering into contact (a firefight) with enemy forces - never stopping, never sleeping, and never giving up.


If one of your colleagues was killed or wounded, you would carry him out with you. If you were all wounded, those who could still walk would carry those who could not.



If and when you managed to escape and get back over the border, you would rest up for a short period, and start all over again with another operation, time and time again, year in and year out.



This is what a Special Forces Reconnaissance operation entails. There are many and various other examples of reconnaissance tasks that are even more arduous than this example - which is a relatively standard example.

NOW ABOUT THE DEFENCE FORCE:

New and experimental technology is at the core of a multimillion-rand military exercise which is testing the state of readiness of the country’s defence force.

With thousands of South African soldiers, sailors, pilots and paratroopers taking part in the R20 million exercise, which has been three years in the planning, the country’s commander-in-chief, President Jacob Zuma, will know within weeks whether the defence can respond to a threat to South Africa’s sovereignty.

From across the country 4 000 defence force personnel, including mechanised infantry, airborne and maritime forces, tactical intelligence troops and special forces operatives have been gathering for Exercise Indlovu, which will culminate in a mock battle for the defence of Kimberley.

The Northern Cape and South Africa’s West Coast are the battlegrounds for the exercise.

With the maritime section of the exercise, involving the navy’s reaction force along with submariners and sailors, nearing completion, the army is now preparing for its role.

The exercise is simulating an attack by a foreign force on the mineral-rich city of Kimberley.

The exercise will, in the next 10 days, see vicious land battles playing themselves out at the SANDF’s combat training centre in Lohatla as paratroopers and ground forces respond to the attacks.

While the main battles will take place in the Northern Cape, it is in specially located military headquarters in Bloemfontein that the defence force’s new state-of-the-art and experimental command and control technology will be put to the test.

It is hoped that these command-and-control tests will reveal potential problems which could occur in real life situations.

Exercise co-ordinator Brigadier General Koos Liebenberg, speaking from aboard the SAS Drakensberg, one of the navy ships used in the maritime exercise, said all indications were that failing a political or diplomatic solution, the SANDF could respond to such a threat within two weeks.

“We have forces on standby all day every day. Something like this would not catch us by surprise because we know about any military build-up through our intelligence sources on the ground, media reports and other sources of information.

“When a threat like this is detected these standby forces are immediately activated and mobilised while diplomatic and political solutions are being sought.

“Exercises like this, which have been three years in the planning, are vital to ensuring that we know what to do when we need to do it and that we can carry out our tasks flawlessly,” he said.

Liebenberg said while the troops on the ground formed an important part of the exercise, the main focus was on the capabilities of command and control structures.

“A big effort has been placed on establishing a rhythm around headquarter capabilities.

“It is here that any gaps in command and control structures will be exposed and remedied,” he said.

Speaking about the new and experimental technology systems being tested, Liebenberg said they were aimed at improving communication systems between the battlefield and military headquarters.

“For battles to be won a number of critical requirements have to be met by these systems.

“These include communications systems which give us operational reports and minute-to-minute situational awareness maps which provide us with ‘full-time pictures’ of battles in our operation rooms.

“This exercise has been made as difficult as possible, with every possible scenario being thrown in to confuse, frustrate and force those in command and control to think as quickly and logically as possible,” he said.

“Ultimately R20 million is not a lot of money especially if it means that we can effectively defend the country’s sovereignty.

“The backbone for any defence is conventional warfare training. If we can establish this backbone we will with ease be able to switch over to non-conventional and asymmetrical warfare scenarios and situations such as these and others including peacekeeping and humanitarian missions.”

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:27pm On Nov 15, 2011
South African produced missiles for airforce and are markerted internationally

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:30pm On Nov 15, 2011
South African produced military hardwares

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:34pm On Nov 15, 2011
South African Army in peacekeeping operations in the DR Congo, Sudan-Darfur, Burundi

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:37pm On Nov 15, 2011
Happy South African soldiers

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:39pm On Nov 15, 2011
South African soldiers in training

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:41pm On Nov 15, 2011
Professional army in training , South African National Defence Force

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by paniki(m): 1:58pm On Nov 15, 2011
All of that is waste of money. I would prefer it if you showcased South African scientist and engineering who help develop things that create money.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Kay17: 9:42am On Nov 27, 2011
Egypt should be the strongest in terms of training, equipment and size of the army.

In their war against Israel, they packed impressive hardware and numbers. They were involved in the largest tank battle till date. Whereas SA shows off nice special forces pics and apart from being mercenaries in tiny conflicts, they dont have much experience.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Kay17: 9:43am On Nov 27, 2011
Egypt should be the strongest in terms of training, equipment and size of the army.

In their war against Israel, they packed impressive hardware and numbers. They were involved in the largest tank battle till date. Whereas SA shows off nice special forces pics and apart from being mercenaries in tiny conflicts, they dont have much experience.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GuluvaGG(m): 10:17am On Nov 27, 2011
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 11:09am On Nov 27, 2011
Egypt fought the largest tank battle in history and lost to Israel, it is through such mentality that mediocrisy is propagated as a success.HenceAfrica is still lagging behind. What does Egypy produces in terms of military hardware except relaying on a billion dollar assistance per year from US, without it Egpty would not even have boots.

If having huge manpower reserve is an indication of military power thenIraq under Saddam Hussein would have won the Gulf war, remember a million soldiers, 1 400 tanks and close to six hundred aircraft but all were defeated within 48 hours by a small technological advance and well trained force of about 120 000 personell.

South African special forces of about 250 defeated a 10 000 militia rebels in Siera Leone within two weeks pushing them back from CAPITAL back to about250 kilometers something that Took almost 2 000 Nigerians to achieve in six months. Causing amputations and nearly 250 000 lives lost.

South Africa has produced six nuclear bombs, has the best long range artillery in the world, first country to produce look and fire helmets, produce the best armoured carriers that are used in Afhanistan and Iraq and now nearly 25 counries utilised these vehicles. Its South African technology that has helped the US and Nato members to reduced tcasualties in these conflict zones, I will add some South African National Defence Force pictures that seems to be a source of jealousy to Nigerians
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 11:26am On Nov 27, 2011
The largets land battle in Africa here is the narration
THE BATTLE OF CUITO CUANAVALE
Cuba's Mythical Victory
The Myth
In 1988 the Angolan Minister of Defence and other official Angolan and Cuban sources claimed that a South African offensive consisting of up to 9,000 troops with 500 tanks, 600 artillery field guns and scores of aircraft had attacked the town of Cuito Cuanavale in Angola. According to their version the attack had failed thanks to a valiant defense effort by Cuban and Angolan troops, and the South Africans had lost 50 aircraft, 47 tanks and hundreds of men.
The Cuban propaganda version of this "heroic battle" was widely believed in the west, and it was not until after the war had ended that the facts emerged. By the end of 1987, when the Cubans and Angolans were supposed to have achieved their great victory, they were already suing for peace in Angola, with their Soviet backers openly stating that the war there could not be won. In the negotiations that followed, one of the conditions of the Cubans was that they be allowed to make an honourable withdrawal from the war, an unusual demand to be made by a victorious army, to say the least. The fact is, the Cubans knew that they were losing but did not want to withdraw from Angola in disgrace. The South Africans, who had been the real victors in the Cuito campaign, realised that making the full facts known at that delicate stage in the peace negotiations would humiliate the Cubans and their Soviet backers and perhaps spur them into sending yet more troops to Angola in an effort to save their reputation. Making the Cubans look ridiculous would serve no useful purpose.

However, once the Cuban and Soviet involvement in the war had ended and the South Africans had withdrawn their troops, it did not take long for the real story of the battle to emerge.

Origin of the War
When Angola became independent from Portuguese rule in 1975 there was no elected government, and a pro-Communist guerrilla movement, the MPLA, became the de facto rulers, opposed by the smaller anti-Communist movements, the FNLA and Unita. When Cuban "advisers" began to enter the country to support the MPLA the South African Army responded by sending small combat groups into the war to assist the FNLA and Unita and at the same time eliminate the threat from SWAPO, a guerrilla group fighting to take over Namibia. During Operation Savannah in 1975 two small South African combat groups, with covert American backing, raced across Angola to the capital, Luanda, in a lightning blitzkrieg that was called off at the last moment when the Americans withdrew their political support.
In the years that followed the MPLA consolidated their hold on Angola, but at the same time Unita grew to a force of over 30,000 men which controlled most of Southern Angola and enjoyed the support of the local population. In order to counter the threat they posed to the MPLA more and more Cuban troops were brought into the country, along with Soviet advisers and huge supplies of armaments. Several offensives were attempted against Unita during the early 1980s without success. Both the Angolan Army and Air Force were expanded considerably, with more new weapons being delivered by the Soviets, including Mig-23s and Mi-25 combat helicopters.

In 1985 Fapla sent 20 brigades southwards in their largest offensive yet and the South African government decided that the threat of Cuban, Fapla and SWAPO forces reaching the South African borders was now too real to ignore, sent a small number of troops into Angola to assist Unita. To counter the air offensive the South African Air Force also flew a number of sorties, shooting down a Mig and several Soviet helicopters, one of which was ferrying the 10 Soviet officers in charge of the offensive to Cuito. The offensive finally ground to a halt, with large numbers of Faplan soldiers dead and a considerable number of Cubans killed, which prompted Castro to raise the Cuban troop strength in Angola to around 45,000 men.

During the first half of 1986 another offensive was attempted, considerably hampered and delayed after South African special forces units sank a Cuban cargo ship in Namibe Harbour and damaged two Soviet cargo ships and several oil tanks. In June, however, the offensive slowly got under way, but then was brought to an abrupt end when Unita troops, supported by South African troops, attacked and severely crippled the vital air base at Cuito Cuanavale. Without air support the offensive crumbled and the troops were pulled back.

The New Offensive
During late 1986 and early 1987 Cuban forces in Angola prepared for yet another full-scale offensive aimed at overrunning Unita and capturing its headquarters at Jamba. After their failure in both their 1985 and 1986 offensives in support of Fapla, the Cubans were now eager to gain the initiative and prove that they were a match for the South African Defence Force and establish themselves as the "liberators" of Southern Africa.
The Soviet Union was shipping heavy armaments into Angola daily, some of it the most modern Soviet weaponry ever seen outside the Soviet Union itself - jet fighters, tanks, helicopter-gunships, air defence missiles, radar and numerous vehicles. Most of it was delivered to Menongue, from where it was then moved on to the base at Cuito Cuanavale. This base had been chosen as the starting point for the new offensive.

Both the South Africans and Unita were left in no doubt that this enormous build-up of weapons and troops constituted preparations for the largest offensive yet attempted by the Cubans and the Angolan Army. General Magnus Malan of the SADF publicly warned that the offensive was imminent, and a Washington Post correspondent - William Claiborne - confirmed Malan's warnings after he had been allowed to see the huge Soviet arms build-up in person.

During July 1986 the South Africans implemented a limited operation designed to assist Unita to develop an anti-tank capability. At the same time the American Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, Chester Crocker, was involved in peace negotiations with the Cubans and Angolans, but returned to Washington near the end of July disappointed and angry at their refusal to talk seriously about peace. Having failed in all their previous offensives, they were now obviously determined to make an all-out effort to force a military solution to the Angolan problem.

By the end of July small-scale clashes between SADF and Faplan units were increasing, and by early August the offensive had commenced. The main Cuban/Faplan force, consisting of 16, 21, 47 and 59 Brigades of the Angolan Army, advanced towards a town called Tumpo, east of Cuito Cuanavale, while several more brigades advanced from Lucasse, supported by ground-attack aircraft, in an effort to form a two-pronged attack across the Lomba River.

One force moved westwards, intending to capture the towns of Cangamba and Lumbala, but was stopped by Unita without South African assistance, and neither town was captured.

The second force, however, was more determined, with 16 and 21 Brigades moving eastwards and intending to swing south and advance on Mavinga, while 47 and 59 Brigades moved south in the direction of Mavinga.

A small number of South African officers were attached to the Unita forces to observe the enemy and work out a strategy for countering their offensive. When it became obvious that the offensive had begun the SADF moved a battery of 127mm multiple rocket launchers and a battery of 120mm mortars, each accompanied by an infantry company from 32 "Buffalo" Battalion, up to the front to support Unita. The size of the offensive was so great, however, that after some careful rethinking by the SADF commanders, a G-5 heavy artillery battery was sent to Mavinga for support, causing great excitement and awe among the Unita troops, who had never seen such huge guns before. A short time later 61 Mechanized Battalion Group, using Ratel armoured cars, was sent to Mavinga as a reserve.

32 "Buffalo" Battalion
South Africa's 32 Battalion was formed in 1975 from former Angolan FNLA insurgents during the struggle for control of newly-independent Angola. The FNLA was a ragtag group of guerrillas which opposed the larger, pro-Communist MPLA. Colonel Jan Breytenbach, South African Para and commander of several elite units in his career, was sent to Angola to train and organize the FNLA group. The men were formed into a new unit - 32 Battalion - officered by South Africans, and in a very short time, re-equipped with uniforms and modern weapons, were undergoing training as a COIN unit. Most of their training took place on the battlefield as they were immediately sent into action against the MPLA, SWAPO and the Cubans. The unit soon proved its worth and developed a reputation for agressiveness on the battlefield, often engaging and defeating numerically superior enemy forces. The existence of this battalion of the South African Army was kept secret for many years while it fought in the thick Angolan bush, a constant problem for the Angolan Army which all their Soviet and Cuban advisers were unable to solve. 32 Battalion was to provide the main infantry force of the SADF during the 1986 campaign.
61 Mechanised Battalion
61 Mech was the only conventional SADF unit to be used during this campaign and consisted of infantry with a total of 55 Ratel armoured cars of different types. The battalion had no tanks, but had been engaged in the border war for the past 10 years and had acquired a formidable reputation.
G-5 Guns
Undoubtedly one of the most effective elements of the SADF involvement in Angola was the use made of the South African-built G-5 guns. Acknowledged to be the best long-range artillery in the world at that time, the G-5s with their range of 40 kilometres were able to cover a large area of the battlefield. Not yet in full production, only 16 were taken into Angola, but their high accuracy and 155mm base-bleed shells made them the most potent weapon in the South African armory.
The Offensive Begins

10 September 1987
On 10 September 21 Brigade sent 2 battalions with 5 T-55 tanks across the river, using a mobile bridge-layer. South African observers, watching the crossing, were amazed at the over-confident behaviour of the enemy, with infantrymen standing around casually, hands in pockets, watching the crossing. The South African reconnaissance force consisted of 4 Ratel-90 anti-tank armoured cars and 240 infantrymen in 30 Casspir infantry combat vehicles.
The South Africans were ordered to wait and see what Fapla would do. When an armoured car began to roll over the bridge, the South Africans went into action.

An anti-tank missile destroyed the armoured car and killed the infantrymen around it. A second missile destroyed the giant Soviet GAZ bridge-layer. The South Africans then concentrated on the T-55 tanks which were beginning to move westwards, and knocked out 3 of them within minutes. The remaining 2 immediately retreated. Artillery fire was called in from the South African G-5 guns situated some distance behind the South African lines, and by the end of the day 1 Fapla battalion had been completely destroyed, leaving the remainder of the enemy force to retreat back across the river in confusion.

13 September 1987
Three days later, on 13 September, Fapla sent 2 battalions of 59 Brigade with T-55 tanks across the river in a second attempt to establish a bridgehead. The South Africans and Unita again attacked immediately, the Ratel-90s firing anti-personnel shells which cut a swathe of destruction through the massed enemy infantry. From the Casspirs infantrymen poured machine-gun and rifle fire into the exposed enemy. The Angolans started to retreat, but were exposed on open ground, with a stretch of marshland hampering their path back to the river. Within a short space of time over 200 Fapla soldiers lay dead.
The SADF/Unita force started mopping up the last groups of men left when the tanks suddenly joined in, causing chaos and sending the lightly-armoured Ratels and Casspirs fleeing in all directions. Once the South Africans had found cover in the bush, however, they began to fire anti-tank (HEAT) shells at the tanks, which were at a disadvantage with their long gun barrels in the bush. The Ratels, realising they had the advantages of speed and manoeuvrability, began to circle round the tanks, enticing them into chasing the armoured cars in ever-smaller cricles until the Ratels were able to come in behind the tanks and fire. By the end of the engagement 5 tanks had been destroyed and over 250 Fapla soldiers killed, for the loss of 8 dead and 3 destroyed armoured cars on the SADF side.

The South Africans, after their initial shock at encountering the tanks, had adapted their tactics and proved that their armoured cars could cope with tanks by a combination of fast movement and accurate shooting, tactics reminiscent of those used by the Boers against the British over 80 years earlier.

14 to 23 September 1987
After the first series of clashes had taken place the South Africans were ordered not to cross the Lomba River, but to establish a line behind it to block the Angolan advance. The G5 heavy guns continued to pound the Angolans mercilessly, while the South African Air Force flew missions over the enemy to eliminate their anti-aircraft installations. At the same time Fapla artillery was bombarding the South African positions with mortars and heavy artillery.
21 Brigade continued to pile up supplies on their side of the Lomba, but the South African bombardments hampered them severely in their efforts to resume their advance. South African Recces (Special Forces, the SADF equivalent of SAS or Green Berets) kept the enemy under constant observation from hidden vantage points in the bush, often no more than 50 yards from the enemy positions. Throughout the campaign these Recces sat for days and even weeks in their observation posts, guiding the G5 artillery fire onto Fapla positions. The enemy knew they were close by, but were never able to locate them.

47 Brigade had also been slowed down in its advance by the South African artillery and air strikes. It was barely moving a kilometre per day, and the South Africans were slowly drawing it into a "killing ground" of their choice.

There was a brief interlude in the fighting when South Africa and Angola finally agreed to exchange prisoners - a South African Recce, Captain Wynand du Toit, captured by Fapla in 1985, was exchanged for 170 Fapla soldiers captured by the SADF and Unita. A couple of Dutch arms smugglers, captured in South Africa, were included in the trade. According to Amnesty International sources, the 170 Faplan soldiers were taken to the Angolan capital, Luanda, where they were all executed by the Angolans for having failed in their duty,

In view of this it was not surprising to the South African troops to find that many captured Fapla soldiers expressed an interest in joining Unita, or asked about the possibility of enlisting in the SADF!

47 Brigade, by now unable to retreat and desperate to join up with the other brigades, made an attempt to link up with 59 Brigade. The South Africans sent their Ratels in again to attack the enemy from the West. They had 250 men available to attack a force of over 1000 men with heavy weapons. The SAAF dropped fragmentation bombs on the Fapla positions and then 61 Mech manoeuvred behind them. The going was rough in the bush and they ended up on the enemy's flank instead of directly behind them. After a sharp engagement in the bush, the Ratels withdrew again because they simply could not see the enemy and were drawing a lot of artillery fire.

59 Brigade began to dig in and received welcome supplies and reinforcements from 21 Brigade, which had now succeeded in laying a mobile bridge over the Cunzumbia River. The SADF, worried now that 47 Brigade would manage to escape back across the river while 59 Brigade pushed forward against the thin South African defence line, decided it was time to close the trap they had been preparing.

3 October 1987 - the Decisive Battle
On 2 October the South African Recces reported that 47 Brigade had managed to construct a wooden road across the marshes which were blocking their retreat to the Lomba River. Trucks, missile carriers, armoured cars and tanks were busy assembling at the treeline, preparing to make an orderly retreat across the road.
The Recces watched from their vantage points in nearby trees and called in artillery fire on Fapla while the SADF combat groups worked furiously to get ready and into position.

The first Fapla vehicles to try to cross were Soviet Sam-9s. One crossed to safety but the Recces guided artillery fire onto the second as it tried to cross, destroying it and effectively blocking the bridge. The Fapla troops sent a T-55 tank to try and move it out of the way, but without success. Every time Fapla tried to make a move the Recces would call in highly accurate artillery salvoes. For 48 hours without sleep or rest the Recces stood guard over Fapla's escape route, calling in artillery fire at the slightest movement, until at last they heard the distant rumble that announced the arrival of the armoured cars of 61 Mechanised Battalion.

The Ratels of 61 Mech had a variety of armaments, from infantry carriers with 20mm guns to the tank-busting 90mm gun. Unita troops had by now positioned themselves to the south-east of 47 Brigade in case they tried to break away in that direction.

Fapla artillery began to bombard the approaching Ratels and Migs flew overhead to lend support and cover 47 Brigade's escape. The Ratels went in to attack. Fapla, accustomed to seeing Unita beat a hasty retreat whenever their tanks appeared, tried the same tactic and sent their tanks towards the SADF positions. To their dismay the South Africans' reaction was the exact opposite - they attacked. The Ratels raced for the tanks, surrounding them and dodging back and forth until they could get behind them and shoot at the comparatively vulnerable rear ends of the tanks.

Major Laurence Maree, second-in-command of 61 Mech, later told the British journalist and author, Fred Bridgland:

"I can't tell you how much courage it takes in a Ratel driver and gunner when a tank is charging towards them to summon up the will to stop still for long enough to stabilise their firing platform and get their round off. [Unlike a T54/55 tank, which has built-in stabilisers and can fire on the move, a Ratel, like other armoured cars, can only fire from a static position]. Of course, as soon as they'd fired, off they sprinted like Turbo-charged hares. One of our guys died that afternoon facing down a T-55 in his Ratel. A 100mm shell from the tank skipped up from the sandy ground and went right through the turret. The Ratel commander, Lieutenant Hind, was terribly wounded and he died later. We had two others very seriously wounded that day, and another three with light wounds. The medics just pulled the shrapnel out of those who were slightly hurt, cleaned up the wounds, and they went straight back into combat." (1)

The Fapla troops, although outgunning the South Africans and outnumbering them 4 to 1, began to lose their nerve and one of the battalions suddenly made a break towards the river. They streamed across the open grassland towards the river in an undisciplined mob and the South Africans brought down MRL fire and high-explosive mortar shells on them. A second battalion also broke and ran for the river, with the Ratels chasing them. Approximately 100 vehicles were now jostling to try and reach the bridge by way of the wooden road. Recces directed artillery fire from the G-5s onto them, causing havoc. The area was now a wasteland of shattered trees and burnt grass from the shells and shrapnel from both sides.

Migs piloted by Cubans flew some 60 sorties that day, dropping bombs and trying to strafe the South African positions, but they were wildly inaccurate and had little effect.

Fapla tanks made an effort to recover some of the abandoned vehicles, but were themselves destroyed by the pinpoint accuracy of the G-5 artillery fire. When the firing finally stopped at the end of the day over 600 Fapla soldiers lay dead on that stretch of open ground and 127 Fapla vehicles stood destroyed or abandoned near the river.

On the morning of 4 October the South Africans were able to survey the remnants on the battlefield. Recovery teams were sent in to salvage whatever was still usable and the SADF generals were delighted to hear that their troops were able to salvage intact one of the Sam-8 missile systems, complete with missiles, radar and logistics vehicles, the first example of this highly-effective Soviet weapon ever to be captured by a western country.

The remnants of 21 and 59 Brigades had joined forces and were trying to reorganize. A few firefights broke out as the SADF and Unita troops moved across the battlefield to salvage equipment. A few inexperienced Unita soldiers almost caused havoc as they attempted to drive off the undamaged tanks.

The South Africans intercepted messages from Russian commanders ordering the Fapla Migs and troops to make an all-out effort to destroy the abandoned equipment, but by then the South Africans had moved the Sam-8 system back behind their positions and had it well camouflaged. Unita later tried to claim the Sam-8 for itself with a view to passing it on to the Americans, but South Africa, recalling the way America had abandoned its allies in Angola, refused and retained the missile system for its own arms research.

October to December 1987 - The Last Phase
After the battle was over mopping up operations continued on both sides. South African observers watched in disgust as Fapla soldiers shot many of their own wounded where they lay because they were unable to evacuate them or give them medical care. At the end of the day the South African commander, Deon Ferreira, sent a message to HQ that their mission had been accomplished and that the Angolan/Cuban advance on Mavinga had been stopped. His new orders were to clear all remnants of the enemy forces from the eastern side of the River Cuito and establish positions from which they would be able to prevent any further crossings into Unita territory. No mention was made of capturing Cuito Cuanavale itself. The SADF did, however, want to be in a position from which they could shell the airfield and neutralise the base as a starting point for a new offensive. Cuito allowed the Cuban Migs easy access to Unita territory and if it was destroyed the Migs would have to move 175 kilometres to the west.
The G5 artillery groups were moved up and commenced bombarding Cuito. The SAAF sent in 4 Mirages as a decoy and while the Migs were being rolled out of their reinforced concrete hangars the G-5s pounded the runway with shells. Within a short space of time the airfield was destroyed and the remaining Migs were forced to move back to Menongue.

Stinger missiles were also used to good effect by Unita and two Cuban pilots were taken prisoner after their Mig had been shot down.

The Cuban/Faplan offensive had failed. Later the Cubans tried to save face and boost their demoralized troops by claiming loudly that they had won the "Battle for Cuito Cuanavale", which they claimed to have successfully defended against all South African attacks!

Throughout the campaign the South Africans, mindful of the fact that they were involved in an undeclared war and without allies in the west, refrained from making any public statements on the progress of the war. This gave the Cubans and Angolans the advantage in the propaganda war. The SADF could not reveal that it only had a small combat force of less than 3000 lightly-armed troops in Angola, as this would have revealed their weaknesses to the enemy. The superior training and tactics of the SADF had convinced the Cubans and Angolans that they were facing a large, heavily-armed force.

As Chester Crocker later wrote:

"In early October the Soviet-Fapla offensive was smashed at the Lomba River near Mavinga. It turned into a headlong retreat over the 120 miles back to the primary launching point at Cuito Cuanavale. In some of the bloodiest battles of the entire civil war, a combined force of some 8,000 Unita fighters and 4,000 SADF troops destroyed one Fapla brigade and mauled several others out of a total Fapla force of some 18,000 engaged in the three-pronged offensive. Estimates of Fapla losses ranged upward of 4,000 killed and wounded. This offensive had been a Soviet conception from start to finish. Senior Soviet officers played a central role in its execution. Over a thousand Soviet advisers were assigned to Angola in 1987 to help with Moscow's largest logistical effort to date in Angola: roughly $1.5 billion in military hardware was delivered that year. Huge quantities of Soviet equipment were destroyed or fell into Unita and SADF hands when Fapla broke into a disorganized retreat, The 1987 military campaign represented a stunning humiliation for the Soviet Union, its arms and its strategy. It would take Fapla a year, or maybe two, to recover and regroup. Moreover the Angolan military disaster threatened to go from bad to worse. As of mid-November, the Unita/SADF force had destroyed the Cuito Cuanavale airfield and pinned down thousands of Fapla's best remaining units clinging onto the town's defensive perimeters." (2)

The results of the campaign up to April 1988 were 4,785 killed on the Cuban/Faplan side, with 94 tanks and hundreds of combat vehicles destroyed, against 31 South Africans killed in action, 3 tanks destroyed (SADF tanks entered the war after the Lomba River campaign) and 11 SADF armoured cars and troop carriers lost. A total of 9 Migs were destroyed and only 1 SAAF Mirage shot down.

After 13 years in Angola the Cubans had still not achieved their aim of destroying Unita and marching into Namibia as "liberators". They had badly underestimated the South Africans and discovered to their cost that they were facing highly-trained, battle-hardened troops. If they had taken the trouble to examine South Africa's military history, they might perhaps have paused for thought at the fact that the forefathers of these troops, the Boers, had held the full might of the British Empire at bay during the Boer War, when 450,000 British troops took three years to subdue a force of little more than 20,000 Boers.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GuluvaGG(m): 12:53pm On Nov 27, 2011
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Horus(m): 1:03pm On Nov 27, 2011


[size=17pt]South Africa unveils first African military plane[/size]

PRETORIA, South Africa — The first military aircraft designed and built by African companies was unveiled Tuesday by a South African arms company which said it had already received orders for the lightweight plane.

Ivor Ichikowitz, head of Johannesburg-based arms maker Paramount Group, called the plane a breakthrough, but experts said its simple design was similar to planes produced by other countries, and said it will have tough competition.

chikowitz said the AHRLAC plane can be used for peacekeeping missions and reconnaissance and is armed to defend itself.

He said he's received an order from a country he would not name for 50 of the planes, each costing about $10 million.

Paramount Group is one of Africa's largest military hardware producers and has markets in West Africa and the Middle East.

Ichikowitz, known for his flamboyance, revealed a life-size model of the aircraft at a South African arms factory. Beside the model of the plane stood two female models wearing flight suits and holding pilot helmets. The weapons were not mounted on the model.

Ichikowitz said everything on the plane is South African-made except for the engine. Local aircraft engineering company Aerosud partnered Paramount Group in the development of AHRLAC. The engine is made by U.S.-based jet engine maker Pratt & Whitney.

Production of the two-pilot aircraft will begin in late 2012.

He said their main target is the international market.

"Defense companies in this country rely on the (South African Air Force) and are battling," he said. "Even though the aircraft is made in Africa, it is not solely for the African market."

Defense analyst Siemon Wezeman of the independent Stockholm International Peace Research Institute told The Associated Press on Tuesday that the AHRLAC is "not unique" because similar light aircraft have been in use for a long time and can easily be replicated. The U.S, France, Italy and Switzerland used such aircraft during World War II, he said.

He also said Ichikowitz's price is high and the company will face a lot of competition from other manufacturers who have been in the industry longer and offer lower prices. A similar aircraft in the U.S. costs at least $2.5 million, Wezeman said.

Anton Kruger, a military analyst with South Africa's independent Institute for Security Studies, said the design resembles an American reconnaissance aircraft, the Firebird.

"The only difference is that the Firebird is larger and can both be manned and remote-controlled, otherwise the design is the same," he said.

He said the price is "absolutely reasonable" and the best an African country can offer because of the amount of money it cost to build the aircraft. The project is said to have cost over $200 million.

Source: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700182824/SAfrica-unveils-first-African-military-plane.html
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:28am On Nov 28, 2011
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Kay17: 7:42am On Nov 29, 2011
Libya had a strong force compared to whats in Africa. They were facing NATO for fcuks sake. The Nigerian Army is just useless, not being tested for so long. NATO would crush our forces in maybe a week tops.

South Africa was just involved in small scale conflicts with the most uninspiring enemy for a demonic cause.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Kay17: 7:43am On Nov 29, 2011
Libya had a strong force compared to whats in Africa. They were facing NATO for fcuks sake. The Nigerian Army is just useless, not being tested for so long. NATO would crush our forces in maybe a week tops.

South Africa was just involved in small scale conflicts with the most uninspiring enemy for a demonic cause.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GuluvaGG(m): 11:18am On Nov 29, 2011
military power is dependent on how much money you spend. Last year America spent close to $700 billion on their military, that's more than all African countries budgets put together for the year. South Africa's entire budget for 2010 was around $110 billion of which only $3 billion was allocated to military. Big difference between $700 billion and $3 billion.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

www.globalfirepower.com/
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:27pm On Nov 29, 2011
Kay 17:

Libya had a strong force compared to whats in Africa. They were facing NATO for fcuks sake. The Nigerian Army is just useless, not being tested for so long. NATO would crush our forces in maybe a week tops.

South Africa was just involved in small scale conflicts with the most uninspiring enemy for a demonic cause.
First of all the nigerian army has been involved in lots of conflicts since its beginning: Congo, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Sudan, Niger delta, Bokoharam, etc,
Moreover the nigerian army has been recognized by UN as the strongest on the ground.
On the other hand Libya was beaten by Chad which was allmost entirely equiped with stones.
The only reason nato attacked libya is because it is the weackest : that is the law of the predator.
And remind me : which country was Gaddafi asking for military help ?
hmmm, hmmmm, hmmmm: Nigeria !!!!!!
Now let me ask you this question: why do you hate Nigeria.
Go to hell and go and suck some arabs. Silly man.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by grafikii: 1:03pm On Nov 29, 2011
don't mess with the nigerian army, they act secretly, we have had several years of military government that have spent a lot on defense, why do you think we volunteered for peace keeping easily? its just to show off our strength
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:17pm On Nov 29, 2011
Its true that small things amuses small minds. For Africa to advance and develop it needs massive industralisation investments that would lead to innovation and technological know how. To be busy engaged on little arguments and name calling only shows shallowness and bankrupcy of ideas, narrow nationalism and misplaced patriotism only propells ignorance. South Africa has not potrayed neither claim to be an Africa Power but only display its capabilities and achievements and also to show to its adversaries that it is not a push over and here below I base my conclusions:

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