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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by streamsofjoy(f): 11:26am On Dec 03, 2017 |
Hiccups: No one us sayin a particular church is under attack. Wen we say the church, we mean the body of christ. The fact that my church and my pastor's name is not called doesn't mean we are not part of the ridicule and attack |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by obatoro: 11:27am On Dec 03, 2017 |
Desyner: In the same passage, Jesus clarified that they were still subject to the seat of Moses, and were still under the law (Matthew 23:2, Galatians 4:4) In the same passage, Jesus also commands to observe and do what the Pharisees say, so why is only one of Jesus’ commands relevant? (Matthew 23:3) What is commanded under the newer, authoritative law? (1 Corinthians 9:14) If Jesus’ command here was confirming tithing for the Church, then he was also confirming that food was still the only acceptable gift of the tithe. So why do you give money? If 10% tithing is still commanded because of what Jesus said here, then you must obey the strict guidelines that go with it, because Jesus not only endorsed their tithing but also the Pharisees’ meticulousness as well. Jesus also kept the Passover as well. So why not keep it too? (Matthew 26:17) 1 Like |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by GodsMopol: 11:35am On Dec 03, 2017 |
Desyner: Lemme assume you read half my post and jumped into conclusion Am not in any way saying tithe is not important You spoke about scale of preference I think the verse preferences it already Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. The bolded is of more weight or preference than tithe That' my point, am not saying you shouldn't pay tithe, cause the verse didn't infer we shouldn't pay tithe, but we should give more attention to the bolded than requiring tithe from people That reminds me of the word of our Lord, how he said, if when you go to the alter, and you remember that you have sth against another, settle it first, obedience everything first, meet the divine standard and every other thing gracias |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by streamsofjoy(f): 11:37am On Dec 03, 2017 |
NigerDeltan: Are u a christian? Do u knw what the Bible says about not letting ur left hand know wen ur right hand is giving? Some of this churches operate like that. U think it is all the time they go with camera to show the world what they are doing? As a matter of fact, those who gave so that the world will see that they are giving have received their reward from men- which of course is the encomiums the likes of u are showering on them (na so bible talk) so don't say what u're not sure of. It will shock u to knw what some of these churches do with their money in terms of outreach. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by oreayo2011: 11:38am On Dec 03, 2017 |
be careful what you say.Everyone should speak from a place of conviction based on their relationship with God. Biety: |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Desyner: 11:38am On Dec 03, 2017 |
obatoro:I can hardly make sense of what you posting. I suspect the anti-seed movement is recession inspired. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 11:46am On Dec 03, 2017 |
Ofcourse Jesus did foretell that in this world, the church shall have tribulations? Well, he indeed still comforted us that we should not worry or be weary that he had overcome the world. (Cosmos- also used to refer to the spirits that influence the world) He told Peter when he was about to leave, that upon this rock (refering to himself. Jesus always spoke in parables. Remember the rock that Moses struck angrily that God pronounced judgement on him?) shall I build mu church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. It's easy to fight the church but God has the final say. 1 Like |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Ezyp(m): 11:46am On Dec 03, 2017 |
sureheaven:From the way you wrote. I can tell how you pray |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by streamsofjoy(f): 11:47am On Dec 03, 2017 |
maryjames9: Sorry to say this YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN cos if u are, u will not be quick to call these men of God thieves. A christian will understand that the Lord hates it wen u talk against his servant and He the Lord knws how to punish his servants (men of God) wen they err. With the way u were even quick to call them thieves shows u dnt even have respect for elders. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Boss13: 11:48am On Dec 03, 2017 |
streamsofjoy: I refuse to agree with you on this. It is public information that Synagogue is assisting Nigeria migrants in Libya. I think they even started before the slave issue received international attention. The Church was not doing it for public show, but a lot of people got wind of it and even their prophet TB Joshua visited Libya to meet with the migrants. Please let’s be honest, we all witnessed what happened in the last election and how these GOs where lopsided with politicians inflicting pains in the society and how they were enjoying the relationship. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Tejiriseth(m): 11:49am On Dec 03, 2017 |
If you were to put 90 percent of Churches in Nigeria together for one week, Civil war 2 will break out.. Becoz In Worship, Doctrine, Dogma, Praise, Giving and Dressing sef we are not even united.. And this is how we expect to continue iN Heaven abi Na Paradise abi.? I laugh. Before Freeze came we had issues.. His simple statement and antics have started making Pastors Jitter... Its as if They now fear him more than The Devil.. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 11:50am On Dec 03, 2017 |
maryjames9:may God forgive you |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Tejiriseth(m): 11:52am On Dec 03, 2017 |
Jesus preached To 5k and 4k Crowd in open field.. Did Thunder strike them.? . If a Man of God Has followers of even 20 and above.. As long as they are committed and faithfull, They will JOIN heads together and see If they need a roof over their head.. And so it will continue |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by streamsofjoy(f): 11:53am On Dec 03, 2017 |
nairanaira12: My dear I think u are the one mixing up things, u think a new convert or a semi believer will see all these criticisms and still believe in the gospel of Jesus? Some of them will begin to think being a child of the bond woman is the best since they dnt have pastors and they give alms a lot. And others will just be lost. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 11:55am On Dec 03, 2017 |
nairanaira12:and that is the reason why freeze would crop out a video and edit it to give it a different meaning to tarnish the image of a pastor where we have the full report of the story as reported by premium times in 2013? |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 11:57am On Dec 03, 2017 |
streamsofjoy: There is only one church. The one that Christ built. All these churches with fancy names and founders are nothing but counterfeits. They are man-made businesses governed by mere men who are competing with the "people of the world" for the destructible wealth of this world. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by obatoro: 11:59am On Dec 03, 2017 |
Desyner: Of course you are not supposed to understand. The word of God does not really make sense to carnal Christians. Because you only understand what you hear people say and not what the word of God says. I really don't understand what you mean by ANTI SEED. Tithe is not a seed. Whatever you mean by recession I do not know. All I know is that I give more than mere 10% of my income to the expansion of the word of God. And I do not need to say that I have people that are not even related to me that I pay their school fees yearly. As am writing to you I'm paying somebody's house rent tomorrow. Please don't always be in a hurry to pass judgement. Study your bible and don't read it as a novel, it is a powerful book God bless You and happy Sunday. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by streamsofjoy(f): 12:00pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Lumig: Thank u dear for pointing this out. But will running the church down and ridiculing it save the situation? The point here is when u as a christian whom understands the real essence of Christianity join the unbelievers to talk against the church. How will it look when u go to outsiders to badmouth ur immediate family to outsiders who dnt like ur family even when u knw ur family has faults. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 12:01pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Pataricatering:i have created a thread on tithing earlier. U may wanna check it out. Dis thread is about d 1b video freeze contorted so u shouldn't derail it. Quote me on d tithe thread nd i will answer |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 12:06pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
BluntBoy:well Jesus recognized 7 churches in the book of revelation and sent John to each of them. Peter established the church at Jerusalem, paul was called and he established the gentile churches wch were far more.. If establishing churches weren't necessary, the paul wouldn't av been sending letters to them and Jesus also wouldn't av sent John d beloved to 7 churches as recorded in d book of revelation |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by donnie(m): 12:08pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101: Truth. Those who have ears will hear. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 12:13pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Johnrake69:wen u think you are smarter than God you will still end up complaining.. The word is enough to change anyone's life if you follow it. Just obey. There are living examples, i am one... |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 12:18pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Johnrake69:the book of acts is a letter of luke to theophilus, how can u read d beginning of a letter and not read the other parts? Read chapter 6 and see how the loss of focus caused division in the church and d apostles decided that they would no more leave their main purpose and be distracted by welfarism |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Belema5: 12:19pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
GodsMopol: I hope you know that only those against tithing lay so much emphasis on it. The ones that believe in tithing for God's sake hardly ever mention it. Those people talking about how pastors talk about tithe have never even entered most of the churches they criticise to know if the pastors actually preach only the prosperity message. From my own experience, a lot of those so-called 'endtime' churches preach the word with stronger biblical proof than the other holier-than-thou churches. If somebody decides to give his/her hard-earned money to a church or pastor, how is it anyone's business?? In my opinion, Freeze and his supporters are just a bunch of wannabes trying so hard to be relevant. TITHING IS NOT BY FORCE!! 1 Like |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 12:19pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
BreezyRita:yeah u r correct. My major concern was for the shaky Christians who may not really understand wat is going on |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 12:20pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101: The Bible was explicit about the foundation of the church being the apostles and prophets. We know who these apostles and prophets were, handpicked by Christ Himself. Pastors are not among the original apostles, and they don't have the calling of Paul either. If they claim to be church leaders, then, they must understand that the Church leadership was a plural eldership and not a one-man business or establishment. All the Churches were distinguished by names of cities and not by dogmas or daddy G.Os. They were one church, with apostles and prophets as the foundation and Christ as the cornerstone. 1 Like |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by GodsMopol: 12:30pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Belema5: Yea, I could remember how God spoke to me back then that I should always tithe I believe in some kingdom principles and I want to start reading the old testament to mine some treasures I was meditating on that verse some hours ago, and I realised that, it won't be hard to give, if we understands that God loves us or we see Gods love been poured out on us. Many of this things, we try to relate them, but even at our realm, they can not be uttered, because words can't best express the things of the spirit. I really feel for those criticizing the Pentecostal movement. They don't know what they are missing My motto remains, PREACH THE GOSPEL 1 Like |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Johnrake69: 12:31pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
BluntBoy: God bless you too sir. It's really sad that the doctrines of these pastors has left us in more misery. It has fuelled greed. Selfishness as against selflessness Christ preached about. It's all about me. As far as I can afford the good things of life, to hell with the next man. Humility is far from them. It's getting worse by the day. Growing up Christianity still had some virtues worthy of emulation. I remember in the village back then. Our Catholic priest will stop by on the way to church to pick up old people to church. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 12:34pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Johnrake69: It is just so sad. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by donnie(m): 12:37pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
NigerDeltan: Just public opinion... no verified facts. You see your life? So because others don't go to tv to advertise their vilified? When we say keep quiet, you refuse to hear. See how you attract judgement to yourself. Many of you assume you will go scot-free after persecuting the church... You lie! http://www.lw-news.com/posts/1000-children-displaced-by-boko-haram-insurgency-receive-back2school-kits?page=2 http://theinnercitymission.org/what_about_the_children/ce-yola-powers-relief-mission-to-boko-haram-victims/ https://loveworldnews.com/posts/innercity-mission-extends-hope-and-succor-to-flood-victims-in-makurdi-nigeria |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by streamsofjoy(f): 12:37pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
BluntBoy:I think u just corroborated my point to the extent of " the body of christ" |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by donnie(m): 12:38pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Johnrake69: So you don't do that? That's wicked |
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