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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by streamsofjoy(f): 12:39pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Boss13: Owkay, but u knw its not only this Libya issue u should use as a yard stick |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 12:39pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
streamsofjoy: No, I didn't. Read up history and you would see what happened to the Early Church. The churches of today are not the body of Christ but the Synagogue of Satan. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by donnie(m): 12:42pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
BluntBoy: Blind religious Roman Catholic. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 12:46pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
donnie: The Roman Catholic Church is the largest cult in the world. The worthless Christianity we have today was instituted by that evil called the Roman Catholic Church. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by donnie(m): 12:50pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
eph12: Because others don't go to tv to advertise they're vilified? When we say keep quiet, they refuse to hear. See how they attract judgement to themselves. Many of them assume they will go scot-free after persecuting the church... They lie! http://www.lw-news.com/posts/1000-children-displaced-by-boko-haram-insurgency-receive-back2school-kits?page=2 http://theinnercitymission.org/what_about_the_children/ce-yola-powers-relief-mission-to-boko-haram-victims/ https://loveworldnews.com/posts/innercity-mission-extends-hope-and-succor-to-flood-victims-in-makurdi-nigeria |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Johnrake69: 12:53pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101: The earlier apostles implemented welfarism agreed buh the current clergymen have implemented cut throat capitalist system. Every branch sends all the money it receives to the head quarters to fund the luxurious lifestyle of the GOs. No wonder pastors sent on mission end up converting the church to theirs. Let's look at what's important to God as Christians according to the scriptures. ◄ James 1:27 ► New International Version Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. Christ emphasised inner temple (your inward being) as a place we should prepare to receive God. The clergyman you're defending are emphasising building synagogues and high temples to receive God so they can launder money. That is why Adeboye will dedicate a service to ask for money to build auditorium. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by streamsofjoy(f): 12:54pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
BluntBoy: I thought u were a christian. Cos if u are u will be careful the way u attack anybody who even though u dnt believe, is called by God. Talking against the fellowship of brethren Becos u dnt believe it's a church is not what a true christian will do. It behooves on you who "knows" what the real church looks like to pray it into existence or wateva u think should be done. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Lumig: 12:56pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
streamsofjoy:Ma'am you have a wonderful point but me personally I don't care how the church feels or someone like you feels for exposing the ills and irregularities going on in the Church. What matters to me is for the Church to get revived[Rev. 3:1&2] and for soul winning to be the core of the messages we hear in our message not monetizing salvation and the church activities. Let's shout them out if that is what will be bring Holiness, Righteousness and the True Religion back to our society. The church is not supposed to be a cult. Thanks 3 Likes |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by OBAGADAFFI: 12:57pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
111jideofor: Christianity in Finland- 72% Christianity in Denmark-76% Christianity in Switzerland-52% Christianity in Nigeria- 40% The major factors in growth of Religion in Population and standards of living. 1 Like |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 1:03pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
streamsofjoy: We are to call out false teachers, not pamper them. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by omoelerin1: 1:09pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101:It seems this tithe issue hit Redeemed Church more than any other church. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Johnrake69: 1:10pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101: You're really a religious fanatic sorry to say. Nigeria is one of the poorest nations in the world in terms of per capital income and yet, we are the most religious. The issue at hand have nothing to do with me. When the word came to Pharaoh of Egypt about the impending economic crisis. He brought in Joseph to build storage and manage supplies throughout the draught period. No wonder Adeboye will have the audacity to say he collects offering to remove poverty from people. And nobody from the congregation could ask if that is the way China moved millions out of the poverty line. Blind Christians. It's not enough to be in Church shouting Hallelujah. We have to understand how things work and make a sound policy that will impact humanity positively. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 1:24pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
BluntBoy:Paul was the first apostle Jesus called in an encounter , The Bible is clear that in the Church there are 5 offices wch Jesus ordained. The office of the apostle is just one of the 5 and till date Jesus still calls apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists and teachers |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 1:31pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Johnrake69:i consider it a compliment that my passion for Christ and His church is seen as fanatism. If u don't believe in Christianity or religion as u call it, then y are u wasting ur time on this thread? U r entitled to ur worldview |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 1:31pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101: Tell me one church in Nigeria where the Five Fold ministry exists? |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by senrique: 1:38pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
If you can build your house to taste so you can habit, why cant you build an edifice for people to gather to worship God. Solomon built a temple with impeccable finishing using materials ranging from gold, silver and the rest (1kings 6, 2Chron 3 or visit http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-first-temple-solomon-s-temple for better description of the temple he built. Now I ask, is there any church building in Africa, let alone the world that is close in comparison to this? the answer is NO. If he wasn't questioned in the past but praise for building such for God, why are we then questioning the pastors of present age. Dont get me wrong, am not saying going about building edifice in detriment of the work of God (soul winning, giving alms to the poor, evangelism). There is no pastor that forces anyone to give, in giving you are not doing them good but yourself. so if you dont give, be quiet and let others give. dont go about lashing out...... Nnemuka: |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 1:38pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
BluntBoy:it exists in any Church where the Holy Spirit is present. 1 Like |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 1:42pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101: Give me one church. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 1:44pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
BluntBoy:The Church of Jesus Christ is one church.. One Lord, one Faith, one birth |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 1:52pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101: You are wrong, my sister. The Occidental Church exists as a small flock, still fixed on the message of the apostles as directly handed to them by Christ, practising true fellowship. The modern church is all about power and wealth. A Five Fold Ministry cannot exist in a one-man church. A True Church is managed by elders, and not one of those elders brands himself with titles like "Senior Pastor" or "General Overseer" e.t.c. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 2:01pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
BluntBoy:lol. Its ok to say wat u feel. But wat u call a one man church has 10s of thousand of workers actively serving in ministerial work. Anyway dats is a topic for another thread.. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by nairanaira12: 2:12pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101: Tarnishing the image of a pastor is a personal thing. It is not the same as attacking the Church of Christ. This is exactly the problem with you Pentecostals. You have mixed allegiance to pastors with allegiance to God. You can't even create a dividing line between the two anymore. For your information, Anty. Allegiance to or defence of a pastor doesn't win you a place in heaven. If your pastor gets accused, let him come out and defend himself. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Every man's work will be tested with fire individually, be it a pastor or church member, and each person will bear his or her own load and face his or her own judgement is heaven. 2 Likes |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by BluntBoy(m): 2:15pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101: It cannot work. Something like that happened in one of the local churches and the apostles were never comfortable with it. I wrote to the church about this, but Diotrephes, who loves to be the leader, refuses to have anything to do with us. (3 John 1:9) These pastors are following the example of Diotrephes who liked to be a leader. The local churches were managed by at least two elders. And you don't need to be "called" to be an elder. Neither do you have to receive "special calling" to be an overseer (pastor or shepherd and bishops). The General Overseer is Christ, not a man. One man cannot possess all the five ministries but your pastors make you believe otherwise. Even some of them who obviously do not have the gift of prophesy force themselves to prophesy every January 1st and end up giving vague prophesies. 1 Like |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by nairanaira12: 2:17pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
streamsofjoy: The solution is simple, dear sister. Let the pastors stop propagating earthly riches above heavenly inheritance. Let them stop propagating tithe payment. Only a levite is qualified to collect tithe, and pastors are not levite. Let me shock you..... Do you know that tithe is not been collected in Jerusalem any more? And do you know their reason? The temple has been destroyed, and the idea of tithe can only come up after the temple has been rebuilt. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 2:25pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
BluntBoy:picking a phrase or verse of the scripture and making a doctrine out of it is the foundation of all heretic teachings.. Jesus is the head of the Church quite alright but he made men apostles.. Jesus sent letters to seven churches tru John to d angels of each of those 7 churches.. Who were the angels, (spirits or men) if ur answer is spirits den i don't know wat u r saying. Jesus sent 7 letters to the 7 leaders of the seven churches in Asian minor. Jesus recognizes the position of an overall leader in n every particular church. If Jesus Christ does den why do u think ur opinion would count for anything? |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by donnie(m): 2:26pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
OBAGADAFFI: 40% indeed. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Godskidmidas(m): 2:26pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
I came back from church to meet this and all I can say is God bless and keep you. In Matthew 9:24 when Jesus saw the dead girl, He said, "Go away. The girl is not dead but asleep." But they laughed at him. As Christians, it is very OK for the world to mock us. It is OK for the world to call what we believe foolish. How do you explain to a common man that a virgin conceived. This is highly unrealistic says the wise man. But God says I will do this, I will use the foolish things of this world to confound you. For by your wisdom, you cannot know me. We are Christians, we walk by faith and not by sight. For the just shall live by faith. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Godskidmidas(m): 2:29pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101: God bless you ma for this great sermon. The gate of hell shall never prevail |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by ttmax09(m): 2:32pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101:God bless u 4 diz i thought i was the only one that saw that. someone claiming right and advising men of God yet was pictured with people with questionable character. Can't still find the english word to describe that guy. |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Johnrake69: 2:34pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
salvation101: Lolzzz... Wake up and smell the coffee. Who is the church? Humanity or the synagogue your GOs are building? For your information Christ has been replaced by your GOs. That's why they are worshiping their seats. If you find nothing wrong with the way Christianity is practised in the present day then, I guess you're part of the problem.
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Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by Nobody: 2:41pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Johnrake69:lol. Wolves in sheeps clothing. In one breath u were totally against anything religion nd in another u r giving advice on how Christianity ought to be.. Sir wit all due respect, we know ur type nd dis thread was specifically created to warn Believers of ppl like u 1 Like |
Re: In Defense Of The Church And Its Leadership by ichuka(m): 2:51pm On Dec 03, 2017 |
Whatsoever that's not rooted in Christ Has no tap root and will fall with time. |
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