salvation101:
lol. Wolves in sheeps clothing. In one breath u were totally against anything religion nd in another u r giving advice on how Christianity ought to be.. Sir wit all due respect, we know ur type nd dis thread was specifically created to warn Believers of ppl like u

salvation101:
picking a phrase or verse of the scripture and making a doctrine out of it is the foundation of all heretic teachings.. Jesus is the head of the Church quite alright but he made men apostles.. Jesus sent letters to seven churches tru John to d angels of each of those 7 churches.. Who were the angels, (spirits or men) if ur answer is spirits den i don't know wat u r saying. Jesus sent 7 letters to the 7 leaders of the seven churches in Asian minor. Jesus recognizes the position of an overall leader in n every particular church. If Jesus Christ does den why do u think ur opinion would count for anything?

BluntBoy:


So, the angels (or more apt, messengers) were general overseers?

A teacher is evidently a light. A star can effectively symbolize a teacher. But is a teacher the same thing as a general overseer?

Biety:
Now, this is holy spirit inspired message, whoever disagrees with it is not of God.

We need more of this type of

message from you. We can not fold our hands and allow people who know nothing concerning spiritual things to keep misleading the babes in faith.

God bless you and happy sabath.

OBAGADAFFI:


Christianity in Finland- 72%
Christianity in Denmark-76%
Christianity in Switzerland-52%
Christianity in Nigeria- 40%

The major factors in growth of Religion in Population and standards of living.

salvation101:
dey may not av been called GO at dat time but dey were d head of each of those 7 churches. GO is just a title given by men. Could as well av been pope or wat not

BluntBoy:


They were overseers and not General Overseer. They were shepherds, not Shepherd. And they were each overseeing a regional body of the one Church of Christ, and not the Church they founded. It was not a one-man Church, not like the religious organizations of Oyedepo and Adeboye. If Adeboye is the General Overseer, then what is God?

ivolt:


This is bunkum

salvation101:
lol u r just beating about the bush playing with semantics.. They had total control of the churches as was apparent in their admonition as the messages to each pf them was different. And that is the same thing with these churches here. Its not a one man show or a family business. Pastor Adeboye didn't found redeemed church and if God calls him home today, Another person would occupy his position.. And that is the same thing with most of the old generation pentecostal churches. The church wasn't registered in Adeboye or Kumuyi or Babalola family name but as a ministry and if anyone goes home, the family can't lay claim on anything. As the Lord will, another person would occupy that position

nicemuyoo:
The bible verses mentioned below has been twisted and abused to support tithing. I would give you the true scriptural interpretation of it not the twisted theological version of it preached in churches. Jesus asked to see the coin they used for payment. He said whose property his this? Caesars. Who's inscription is on it? Caesars . who has authority over this coin / who created this coin? Caesars. So the money belongs to Caesar it is his creation. So this monetary note has nothing to do with God , God does not want it, it is a creation of man for mankind, so give it to Caesar if he demands for it! But give unto God was he demands your soul, heart, love, obedience, worship, your body as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable which is truth worship. GOD a spiritual external being demands all this things. David said silver and Gold , riches he does not want.
There is a difference between theological teachings and truth scriptures; that you have to understand if you want to know the truth and accept it.

4They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15“Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.

BluntBoy:


You are the one refusing to understand what is being discussed here.

The Church was established by Christ and was non-denominitional.

Whether it was the Church in corinths or in Rome or in Thessalonica, it was one church with one head (Christ). Not the religious organizations of today founded by men and where many pastors are subjected to one pastor who is the General Overseer or Senior Pastor.

Do you want Bible verses to show that there is a difference between shepherd and Shepherd?

ponziponzi:


Stop defending stupid things, I live in Canada. Even if you work minimum wage, you can pay your bills. You can only be homeless if you do drugs or make some terrible fininacial decisions. About 45% of Nigerians are living in extreme poverty, Nigerians don’t even understand what it means to have constant power in their homes for a week. If you are in the west as you claim and attend a white church, you should know that many of the teachings in the African churches are false and are just for enriching the pastors. They brainwash human beings and make them do foolish things that can be equated with slavery. I volunteer in a charity organisation run by a church that feeds the homeless and provides accommodation for them, for free, daily. Stop defending what is improverishing your people, it’s your duty to humanity!

salvation101:
lol i smell Catholic or orthodox Christianity or anti pentecostal movement.. Correct me if am wrong.. Any Church that believes and preaches the full gospel of Jesus is for Jesus.
Luke9:50, mark 9:40, matt12:30..

salvation101:
Now another narrative put forward is that the church ought to be more involved in philanthropy and welfarism than expanding. That it makes sense does not make it right. Giving to the poor is good but expansion of the kingdom is paramount. This was Jesus mandate to the church is this.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:15‭-‬20 KJV

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:19‭-‬20 KJV

This is the mandate Jesus gave to his disciples before he ascended.. U will notice dey were the very last words of those books and very important. Social welfare programs are good but not the primary purpose of the church of Christ. The Church of Christ was established Him and he determines what is important and nobody's opinion is greater than His will.

As a matter of fact, the first dispute that existed in the early church was as a result of the Apostles leaving the main task Jesus gave to them and involving theirselves in welfare programs.

[b]And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch: Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them. And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Acts 6:1‭-‬7 KJV[/b]

Welfarism is not the way to advance the kingdom of God but by preaching the word of God

senrique:
If you can build your house to taste so you can habit, why cant you build an edifice for people to gather to worship God. Solomon built a temple with impeccable finishing using materials ranging from gold, silver and the rest (1kings 6, 2Chron 3 or visit http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-first-temple-solomon-s-temple for better description of the temple he built. Now I ask, is there any church building in Africa, let alone the world that is close in comparison to this? the answer is NO. If he wasn't questioned in the past but praise for building such for God, why are we then questioning the pastors of present age. Dont get me wrong, am not saying going about building edifice in detriment of the work of God (soul winning, giving alms to the poor, evangelism). There is no pastor that forces anyone to give, in giving you are not doing them good but yourself. so if you dont give, be quiet and let others give. dont go about lashing out......

nicemuyoo:
The offerings in that verse referred to the tithe of the tithe which the levites bring to the temple Leviticus 18:26. Not the freewill offering you need to study this scripture properly and stop following theology . They are two different things.
"Speak to the Levites and say to them: 'When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the LORD's offering.
[qquote author=salvation101 post=62944603] y derailing the thread? This thread isn't about tithing. There are several threads on tithing Infact i created one some days back.. Where there is usually misunderstanding among Christians is in the area of tithe, no true beliver will argue about offering. Mal 3 didn't just mention robbing God in tithes alone but in tithes and offering.. So why pick only tithe to talk about? Why not offering? As a matter of fact in churches where tithing is preached, 80% of the congregation aren't faithful with it so why d so much fuss about it? Tell me where giving offering is wrong according to ur Bible

bezimo:


Defending which stupid things..You are are the one confused. you are not a christian so pointing things out is just a futile waste of time because you are not in a position to understand. There are poor folks in the Canada and dont attempt to downplay the existence of the poor folks who lack food and are homeless yet magnifying the poverty in Nigeria and holding church as responsible.. your logic is upside down. you mean church carering for the needy in Canada but not in Nigeria. You are super ignorant.there is no point even going further.

Iamzik:


There is atleast one church on street in Nigeria. Come to lagos and see.... 8-10 churches on a single Street. What more expansion do you need? The era of buildings big cathedrals and openings endless parishes situated right next to them self, the era of proliferation of church buildings is gone. This is the era to preach salvation, righteousness and show practical love to the lost world.

Don't confuse expansion of Gods kingdom with establishing new Churches. The Church of Christ universal is beyond your denomination or Church building. How many people in your church are truly saved? Enough of this undue emphasis on financial and population Target.

welfar is a big part of the gispel. Jesus preached a complete Gospel. Healed the sick, raised the dead, fed the multitudes twice, opened blind eyes and also thought the people (education). Seven deacons were ordained just to look after believer's welfare in the Early Church and you are here down playing the matter.
Is your church registered as an NGO or limited liability company?

When the missionaries came, they brought education, health care, roads, etc without asking us for tithes. Our present religious leaders went to these same mission schools practically tuition free, many with scholarships and good job after graduation. Isn't it funny that they turn round to establish schools that only the rich can afford? Widows, orphans ,father less in the congregation are no longer a priority. Welfare is one of the factors that made the early church to grow and spread. Go read the book of acts. and this is the very basis of tithing even from the old testament.

God did not create Poverty. We human beings did when we stopped sharing with our neighbours. Tithing was originally meant to strike a balance between the rich and not so rich.

I'm not against tithing but the church must wake up to her responsibilities. Let's start making practical impact on the lives of people in the local church.

salvation101:
how easy wasq it for u to believe dis convolution? The book of malachi 1:1 said it was the prophecy of God tru malachi to the nation of Israel not a tribe.. The word asked, will 'a man' (not will a levite?) rob God? The truth is that alll these words u r saying marks unbelief. It wasn't stated there that d offering mal was talking about here was tithe of tithe but u can believe it. In verse 4 of dat same chapter 3, it talked about the offering of judah nd Jerusalem. Was dat also a tithe pf tithe as well?

stevejomo:
as written by the pastor's wife.
Adeboye is getting richer while church members are getting poorer.

salvation101:
No matter what, the Church will stand.
Talk is cheap. The same freeze guy that is always on social media advising pastors on what to do with church money was posted his pics with hushpuppi in dubai nd dey were flaunting their rolex wristwatches.. Wat happened to all his sermons? Why not sell d watch or use the money h spent to travel on the poor people around him? Now isn't it obvious dat this ppl are simply out to tarnish the image of these men of God? The gates of hell are fighting, Christians be wise so u don't end up joining the devil to fight the Church of God

Hiccups:


No church is under attack, some pastors have been criticized though. Why do OP see Freeze as an unbeliever? Do all of Christ Embassy Teachings agree with RCCG? Does this in any way makes them unbelievers?

The problem with people like OP is their inability to realized Pentecostal churches is a product of disagreement with some teachings in protestant churches. Until OP clarify how pentecostal churches sprang up, you lack every reasons to demonize Freeze