There are two sets of history running in against each other,

(a)True history

(b)Manufactured history (these type are fabricated, not real)

History is suppose to be a true account of events.

However, manufactured history is unknowingly sometimes taken to be true.

African history isnt studied hard enough by us Africans. Furthermore, the version of African history that are taught in our schools today is false, inadequate, and totally unfit for purpose.

Its widely an accepted fact that African history predates Arabian, European or Persian intervention. I choose to dedicate my life’s work to uncovering our true history.

The history available to much of the general public are the accounts of foreigners that by definition are meant to be disregarded; as they are bound to have vested interest.

The basis for the argument used to write up Eurocentric version of African history lies on the hear say, written accounts, and personal scruples of foreigners and (or) anti-African individuals.

It’s a universal right to reject a foreigner’s version of history.

History tells us that foreigners cannot be trusted and even the Eurocentric writers that wrote pro - African literature in those days, can only really be seen reliable in a non - African way; foreigners have never showed to be capable enough to write her history.

The history that I present to you here, speaks of today, would pass all well-balanced scientific and logical scrutiny more than can be said for the present versions peddled by Eurocentric and Arab scholars.

THE YORUBA KINGDOM
The yorubas today occupy the land to the south and west of the lower niger.
They form one of the leading tribes in Nigeria. Their neighbours are the Hausas
And fulanis to the north, the dahomeyans to the west and the Binis or Edos to the
east. There is no evidence to show that they, like the Hausas or the Kanuris, had
any access to the barber cultures.
Origins
Like other west African tribes, the origins of the yorubas are still wrapped in myth
and mystery. Some of the available evidences show that they arrived at their present
homes either in the 10th or 11th century. One of the legends show that they migrated
from the east. It is also suggested that their fore fathers were either Berbers or
Hamites who migrated to the south from areas around the River Nile.
But the most popular and dependable legend says that their ancestors belonged to the
Quresh tribe of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Their first father, according to this legend, was
Lamrud or Namrud. He had an idol priest called 'Ya-Harba' from where the tribe got its name.
The word 'Ya-Harba' is an Arabic word meaning 'warrior' or 'army - general'. Ya-Harba was the
son of Lamrud.
When Islam was introduced in Mecca in the 7th century, Lamrud, Ya-Harba and their supporters refused to embrace the religion. Soon, the newly converted muslims
were forced to take arms against Lamrud and his pagan supporters. The pagans were
defeated after which they fled the city, crossing the red sea to Africa. They got to Egypt in 648 A. D . Soon they moved to Tripoli ,Algeria and Morocco. During this journey the idol priest, Ya-Harba, consulted his oracle ,and he was told that he and his people should go to wherever the
Oracle directed them. They followed the oracle's direction until they eventually arrived at Ile-Ife.
This was around 900 A. D. Or 1000 A. D. The exact time is not yet known, however.
According to the same legend, Lamrud and his idol-priest, Ya-Harba, died on the way. It was therefore Oduduwa who led the Yorubas to Ile-Ife. This is why Oduduwa, and not Lamrud or Ya-Harba, is referred to today as the 'Father of the Yorubas. But even though Ya-Harba
could not reach Ile-Ife his people decided to immotalise his name by calling their
settlement 'Ya-Harba, ' which was later converted to 'Yoruba'.
There we're some who left Mecca with the Yorubas but who did not get to Ile-Ife.
Some stopped at the bank of the Red Sea. These now form part of the ethnic groups
of the eastern provinces of the Republic of the Sudan. They are known as the Bejas
And the Adandawa in Eritrea and Ethiopia. They have the same figure as the Yorubas
Of Nigeria. Others are the Shajia( also in the Sudan) . They ,like the Yorubas, carry tribal
Marks. In the Chad Republic, there is also another group called the Wadai, who claimed
the same historical background as the Yorubas.




PLEASE POST TO FRONT PAGE SO THAT THE YORUBAS IN NAIRALAND WOULD KNOW THEIR HISTORY.


Source; The History of Africa by A. J Wills(P. hD) 1962

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OP first of all, your post is an insult to the persona of Yoruba, you post such gibberish and closed the statement more insultively by saying readers should post it so Yoruba can know their history, I have a bunch you are Igbo and masking under a Yoruba name.

Secondly, if Yoruba were truly from Mecca, I can assure you the Arabs will have it on records, Arabs were among the first set of people to write and keep records , if such story exists, it would have been found in Arabian records.

So closing your statement with your request about people posting it so Yoruba can know their history is a very daft and stupid statement

geosegun:


There was Lamurudu, I heard about this story from my grandmother, whom if she were to be alive today would have been more than 100 yrs old.. The journey from Mecca via Egypt down to Sudan then Bornu and then to Ile ife seemed logical to me.. They follow the river down... So it seemed. They actually left due to religious uprising, the oracle has been with the Yoruba from inception. It was even mensioned in some Islamic Hadith. Yoruba used to be idol worshippers even up to this day. Which other tribe have the knowledge of the oracle and uses it like the Yoruba up to this day?

We used to be Idol worshippers until now. Thanks k God for his grace.

Cut your crap ! Yoruba are not Quresh ! The Lamurudu narrative was made up by the Sokoto Caliphate and the writer of the infakul to make Islam relevant amongst Yorubas. Nimrod NEVER existed, it’s been debunked.

Spazolas:


Cut your crap ! Yoruba are not Quresh ! The Lamurudu narrative was made up by the Sokoto Caliphate and the writer of the infakul to make Islam relevant amongst Yorubas. Nimrod NEVER existed, it’s been debunked.

You may be right, there have been so many fabrications to 're write histories. Just buttressing some stories that I had in the last and thought if true, these routes would be more logical. If truly the migration did happened.

Spazolas:


Cut your crap ! Yoruba are not Quresh ! The Lamurudu narrative was made up by the Sokoto Caliphate and the writer of the infakul to make Islam relevant amongst Yorubas. Nimrod NEVER existed, it’s been debunked.

Don't take a rash decision to condemn such notion as regard Babel or Nimrod because they did existed e'en if you haven't studied it that deep . Surprisingly,the Arab are actually the half brother of Yorubas. In my research work that I did comparison of proto language, Visual Art,obelisks ,Terracotta works, religious beliefs of Yoruba and Semitic people, showed Yoruba ancestors migrated back to Africa from Middle East. The reign of Yoruba ancestors appeared firstly in Tigris and rivers Euphrates; Mesopotamia before they move into the land of summer; who were people that dressed naked and shaved their heads ,whom the yoruba ancestors ruled with divination knowledge and from the land of summerian,the Yorubas moved to the land of Or (Oru;heat land )in Iraq,with the divination system of Ifa and from Or the youba ancestors moved to Ai(Aayè) Canaan—Isreal

Interestlingly,they moved back to Africa through these lands after the first conquest and second conquest of Hebrew land(Northern Israel and Judah). Well,my narration might look strange to you because no part of Yoruba history had been document through the eyes of Romans,Latin, Greekt,German, English people,so as to back this up. But guess what? The Yoruba Odu IFA is the archived of Yoruba history. In fact,it's the keeper of archaic or ancient Yoruba language and dialects. The obelisks found in yoruba land have the written code of the Yoruba ancestors history and It is a known fact that all the cities I mentioned above in middle East had a link to Yoruba ancestors spoken words names of Town and cities The shocking part is that these words exist in yoruba land and middle east ; Semitic languages
Unfortunately,some scholars thought Yoruba borrowed Semitic words but Yoruba language was the pride of Semitic language because it was the spoken to mushe(moshé,)which is the lost but found Classical Hebrew language and the dialects of the Yoruba people.


Cheers

geosegun:


You may be right, there have been so many fabrications to 're write histories. Just buttressing some stories that I had in the last and thought if true, these routes would be more logical. If truly the migration did happened.

It is two way things ; true or false. Well, Babel existed and Nimrod existed even if he wasn't the ancestor of Yorubas because Ifa and ephod existed in two tradition: Yoruba and Hebrew before others fabricated their own version.

The interesting aspect of this is that the people who claimed to have same Ifa knowledge in West Africa can't present their version to the united Nation on world heritage . It clearly showed one is real while others are copycat of the original without full knowledge of it .


Cheers

Just to be clear, my advice to you is stop quoting the Christian bible or any of its derivitaves in an attempt to find associate with Yoruba because the books is not a good reference.

Yoruba isn’t Hebrew, but Yoruba however, predates all forms of the Hebrew Languages, therefore, if you have found connections to the Hebrew language it just goes to show that the Hebrew Language could have derived from Yoruba just like some claim the English language does.

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The global world is broken and needs fixing. The only thing on our planet that can come close enough to finding a cure for the entire global world’s problems is the spirituality according to an African.

There’s need for us to stop looking outwards for nothingness.

All the answers of the world’s problems are in our domain one way or the other.

You and I are the answer, collectively, it is our kind and territory that holds all the answers to the worlds problems.

There is no people(s) outside of Africa (Diaspora) that really wishes Africans any good, all they are really after are our minerals.

The best thing about our Great continent is widely considered her trickiest among her many great qualities; natural resources.

Our Great continent is the oldest and as a result, the richest on the planet.

Let’s re-write history for the sake of the coming generation. The ones we keep passing-the-buck to, they are going to need a good start, or a concept to develop.

Here’s is what’s proposed:

The African Dream.

What is the African dream?

The African dream is the narrative that stands on the assumption that the rest of the world is crazed with lust for materialistic things and has neglected what really matters, our relationship with (the African) God(s).

Furthermore, it’s us Africans that will eventually have to come to our own rescue.

A pan - African progressive narrate that anywhere in the world Africans can relate to, work towards and rally around.

The African Dream

Think of any “modern” concept you can imagine, research comprehensively, and you will find an African(s) are the source of that same concept.

African ancestors are prolific inventors and professional concept pioneers.

The global world is broken and needs fixing. The only thing on our planet that can come close enough to finding a cure for the entire global world’s problems is the spirituality according to an African.

There’s need for us to stop looking outwards for nothingness.

All the answers of the world’s problems are in our domain one way or the other.

You and I are the answer, collectively, it is our kind and territory that holds all the answers to the worlds problems.

There is no people(s) outside of Africa (Diaspora) that really wishes Africans any good, all they are really after are our minerals.

The best thing about our Great continent is widely considered her trickiest among her many great qualities; natural resources.

Our Great continent is the oldest and as a result, the richest on the planet.

Let’s re-write history for the sake of the coming generation. The ones we keep passing-the-buck to, they are going to need a good start, or a concept to develop.

Here’s is what’s proposed:

The African Dream.

What is the African dream?

The African dream is the narrative that stands on the assumption that the rest of the world is crazed with lust for materialistic things and has neglected what really matters, our relationship with (the African) God(s).

Furthermore, it’s us Africans that will eventually have to come to our own rescue.

A pan - African progressive narrate that anywhere in the world Africans can relate to, work towards and rally around.

The African Dream

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Everyone should watch these videos.

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Olu317:


It is two way things ; true or false. Well, Babel existed and Nimrod existed even if he wasn't the ancestor of Yorubas because Ifa and ephod existed in two tradition: Yoruba and Hebrew before others fabricated their own version.

The interesting aspect of this is that the people who claimed to have same Ifa knowledge in West Africa can't present their version to the united Nation on world heritage . It clearly showed one is real while others are copycat of the original without full knowledge of it .


Cheers

African spirituality is HUGE, is larger than the organisation you refer to as the United Nations. The reasons they are acceptable is precisely because it will further contradict the lies and falsities been peddled to us by Christianity and Islam. And the United Nations is also part of the furniture in the office of a Eurocentric. African spirituality is the standard that everyone eventually ends up judging themselves with; however, what the Eurocentrics and Arabs forgot to tell us is that everyone in the Europe and large parts of Asia worship God through the African spirituality (some will argue they still unknowingly does today) during the time of the Romans.

Amujale:


African spirituality is HUGE, is larger than the organisation you refer to as the United Nations. The reasons they are acceptable is precisely because it will further contradict the lies and falsities been peddled to us by Christianity and Islam. And the United Nations is also part of the furniture in the office of a Eurocentric. African spirituality is the standard that everyone eventually ends up judging themselves with; however, what the Eurocentrics and Arabs forgot to tell us is that everyone in the Europe and large parts of Asia worship God through the African spirituality (some will argue they still unknowingly does today) during the time of the Romans.

Sorry, I am not your kind of African but Yoruba. Kindly do the study on the meaning of Africa, so that you will know the difference between my school of thought and yours. Beside, I am shocked at your view as regard the history of the Hebrews,yet you embrace Africa. A continent that reigned through. Nubian, Ethiopians,Egyptians and at the peak Ammon ruled ,which was filled with her glory but lost it to massive human sacrifices. Perhaps, you need to understudy the light of the world who are the Yorubas. Even the Ethiopians that were of great knowledge went to learn the Hebrews Knowledge,who were the Yorubas of old.And if you undervalue the Yorubas then it's at your own peril and you have missed it.


If you seek spirituality, then look unto Yoruba's IFA whose epitome creator is called Élédáà(owner of human heads;, creator of one's head). So quash your African spiritualism out of it that was bedevilled with massive human sacrifices to appease mortal men who died and turned to God. Unlike Yorubas ancestors who were seen as middle men to appease their Élédáà. Interestingly, in the concept of Èrí (Ori); worship of Élédáà, a part says,‘É jé kí fí Orísá sí'lé ká bó 'èrí(bó rí).' If you know what this mean, you will understand who the Yorubas are.

Do you even know how some people 's royal in Africans were buried upright even up till today? Does such culture look Yoruba to you? Bro,I don't fancy the Afrocentrism without proper study and identifying who and who in Africa, because Almighty Élurún(,Olorún) is with messengers.

Lastly,list the spirituality of African Gods(gods) that was the inspiration toward Roman, Persian and Greek
culture. In fact, around 100AD Christianity had entered Africa through Egypt,so be cautions of what you say because many people are as read as you are.

Olu317:


Sorry, I am not your kind of African but Yoruba. Kindly do the study on the meaning of Africa, so that you will know the difference between my school of thought and yours.

African history is my study plus Earth sciences/Anthropology

Olu317:

Lastly,list the spirituality of African Gods(gods) that was the inspiration toward Roman, Persian and Greek
culture. In fact, around 100AD Christianity had entered Africa through Egypt,so be cautions of what you say because many people are as read as you are.

Prior to 1400 B.C.E all of Europe and much of Asia worship African God(s). Consequently, they assimilate their well known divinities into their culture and philosophy.

Olu317:

If you seek spirituality, then look unto Yoruba's IFA whose epitome creator is called Élédáà(owner of human heads;, creator of one's head). So quash your African spiritualism out of it that was bedevilled with massive human sacrifices to appease mortal men who died and turned to God. Unlike Yorubas ancestors who were seen as middle men to appease their Élédáà. Interestingly, in the concept of Èrí (Ori); worship of Élédáà, a part says,‘É jé kí fí Orísá sí'lé ká bó 'èrí(bó rí).' If you know what this mean, you will understand who the Yorubas are.

Stop already!

Obviously you don’t understand we’ll enough to know that it’s uncool to keep bringing chi into conversation.

Even though you seem quite intelligent and i sense great potential.

For me, to truly get understanding African history, certain conditions are to hold; one is to disregard rhetoric, hear say and all other anti-African discourse with regards to history. Furthermore, to regard African history as genuine, If it isn’t written, deliberated-upon or judged by Africans, such writings that fit into these category must simply be deemed inadmissible. That is to say, in a sense, most of the present Eurocentric and Asian discourse on African history will be deemed to be false and invalid.

The only true African history is that which is derived by an African(s), by default all other versions are false.

The discourse on European history is primarily exclusive to European writers.

The discourse on Asia’s history is primarily exclusive to Asian writers.

The discourse on Africa’s history is primarily badly concocted by European and Asian writers. This is where all of us (you and I) come in and repair the damage for the benefit of the next generations and our own overstanding.

Majority of ‘Classical’ European deities and divinities came directly from an African divinity, in some ways, they (the foreigners) would snatch an entire concept of ‘divine’ and transplant the same concept into their communities i.e Andromeda, Hermes, Zeus e.t.c

Greeks Zeus and many other mainland African divinity that the Greeks and Romans implanted into their philosophy; even though their total disregard for intellectual property is something that will haunt them forever. Roman Apollo same type of activity occurs; same thing with the Persians.

Amujale:


African history is my study plus Earth sciences/Anthropology




Prior to 1400 B.C.E all of Europe and much of Asia worship African God(s). Consequently, they assimilate their well known divinities into their culture and philosophy.



Stop already!

Obviously you don’t understand we’ll enough to know that it’s uncool to keep bringing chi into conversation.

Even though you seem quite intelligent, you display the same warped understanding of African history that anti-African individuals possess. Yet I sense great potential.

For me, to truly get understanding African history, certain conditions are to hold; one is to disregard rhetoric, hear say and all other anti-African discourse with regards to history. Furthermore, to regard African history as genuine, If it isn’t written, deliberated-upon or judged by Africans, such writings that fit into these category must simply be deemed inadmissible. That is to say, in a sense, most of the present Eurocentric and Asian discourse on African history will be deemed to be false and invalid.

The only true African history is that which is derived by an African(s), by default all other versions are false.

The discourse on European history is primarily exclusive to European writers.

The discourse on Asia’s history is primarily exclusive to Asian writers.

The discourse on Africa’s history is primarily badly concocted by European and Asian writers. This is where all of us (you and I) come in and repair the damage for the benefit of the next generations and our own overstanding.

Majority of ‘Classical’ European deities and divinities came directly from an African divinity, in some ways, they (the foreigners) would snatch an entire concept of ‘divine’ and transplant the same concept into their communities i.e Andromeda, Hermes, Zeus e.t.c

Greeks Zeus and many other mainland African divinity that the Greeks and Romans implanted into their philosophy; even though their total disregard for intellectual property is something that will haunt them forever. Roman Apollo same type of activity occurs; same thing with the Persians.

Well, you are the one that have no knowledge of your history because you are fed with lies and you cant even question certain glaring information before you,yet you boast of being an historian. As far as I know,you're an Afrocentric person who failed to even neglect the fact that Africa has 1500+ languages. In fact, West Africa has about 400+ languages.So being in a discipline of Earth science, History and anthropology can't even unravel who is who in Africa except through knowledge acquision on linguistic, Archeology, Hieroglyphs, pictographs etc before you can be boastful through journal or papers you present. Mind you, history has it that migration that took place toward the new world begun from Africa and there were migration back and forth to Africa.

You said,‘Even though you seem quite intelligent, you display the same warped understanding of African history that anti-African individuals possess'.


If I display warped understanding of African; doesnt mean I displays warped understanding about Yoruba's history. Kindly be mindful of what you say because genealogy had been part of ancestral lineage ever since they arrived in West Africa around 9BC-100AD. Therefore, I chose to deviate from self egocentrism o'er my ability with cogent reason because like I had carefully stated in my previous post,that Africa wasn't the name of this foundational continent of the world from the beginning. So ,if you love this continent,expose us to the actual name of this continent to begin with.

Seriously 1400BC is a child's play to what we know. Infact, 5000BC is a child's play as well. But before you run,kindly ponder over these Questions:

1. Have you ever considered over unintelligible 1500+ ethnic groups languages between each one of them that make up this continent?

2.Do consider archeological evidence before you churn out your condemnation at all ?

3.Do you not consider it correct as a researcher to narrow down your research with a case study before lumping up Africa as if it's one ethnic group?

4.Is Greek god; Atlas in Greek mythology stolen from which ethnic group in Africa ?

5. Do you realise that this same continent, precisely in Morocco was dubbed by Western World researchers as the Oldest place with fossil humas and followed up by, middle East; Israel ?

6. Why do you now accuse people who wrote according to their verified researches?

7. Do you even know the reason for multiplicity of diverged languages in this Continent?

8. Do you even know Egypt -Kmt(Meroe) was conquered six times?

9. Were the conquests perpetuated by your so called Nubian, Cushites,Ethiopians only ?

10. Do you even known some so called Africans of royalty were excavated to being buried upright in ancient Egypt?

11.Do you know Yoruba use ram as sacrifice to portray strength and authority unlike Kmt that worship Ram( Ra)

12 .Do you even know in present day Nigeria, there is a known royalty in Eastern-Ibo(Igbo) Nigeria whose deceased kings are buried upright?

13. Why was it impossible to remember all the deceased kings before Èlùfín(Olofin) Oshin(Odua)?


Note:#Advice#
*There are so many things people like you need to learn through humility so as to be knowledgeable on things that are in darkness to you*. So ponder

Olu317:



Well, you are the one that have no knowledge of your history because you are fed with lies and you cant even question certain glaring information before you,yet you boast of being an historian. As far as I know,you're an Afrocentric person who failed to even neglect the fact that Africa has 1500+ languages. In fact, West Africa has about 400+ languages.So being in a discipline of Earth science, History and anthropology can't even unravel who is who in Africa except through knowledge acquision on linguistic, Archeology, Hieroglyphs, pictographs etc before you can be boastful through journal or papers you present. Mind you, history has it that migration that took place toward the new world begun from Africa and there were migration back and forth to Africa.

You said,‘Even though you seem quite intelligent, you display the same warped understanding of African history that anti-African individuals possess'.


Kindly be mindful of what you say because genealogy had been part of ancestral lineage ever since they arrived in West Africa around 9BC-100AD. Therefore, I chose to deviate from self egocentrism o'er my ability with cogent reason because like I had carefully stated in my previous post,that Africa wasn't the name of this foundational continent of the world from the beginning. So ,if you love this continent,expose us to the actual name of this continent to begin with.

Seriously 1400BC is a child's play to what we know. Infact, 5000BC is a child's play as well. But before you run,kindly ponder over these Questions:

1. Have you ever considered over unintelligible 1500+ ethnic groups languages between each one of them that make up this continent?

2.Do consider archeological evidence before you churn out your condemnation at all ?

3.Do you not consider it correct as a researcher to narrow down your research with a case study before lumping up Africa as if it's one ethnic group?

4.Is Greek god; Atlas in Greek mythology stolen from which ethnic group in Africa ?

5. Do you realise that this same continent, precisely in Morocco was dubbed by Western World researchers as the Oldest place with fossil humas and followed up by, middle East; Israel ?

6. Why do you now accuse people who wrote according to their verified researches?

7. Do you even know the reason for multiplicity of diverged languages in this Continent?

8. Do you even know Egypt -Kmt(Meroe) was conquered six times?

9. Were the conquests perpetuated by your so called Nubian, Cushites,Ethiopians only ?

10. Do you even known some so called Africans of royalty were excavated to being buried upright in ancient Egypt?

11.Do you know Yoruba use ram as sacrifice to portray strength and authority unlike Kmt that worship Ram( Ra)

12 .Do you even know in present day Nigeria, there is a known royalty in Eastern-Ibo(Igbo) Nigeria whose deceased kings are buried upright?

13. Why was it impossible to remember all the deceased kings before Èlùfín(Olofin) Oshin(Odua)?


Note:#Advice#
*There are so many things people like you need to learn through humility so as to be knowledgeable on things that are in darkness to you*. So ponder

Much of the above text doesn't refer to me, let me however help you to understand what is being said here:

Amujale:
West African communities predates both the Khemet and Mesopotamia ones, contrary to what Eurocentrics falsely claim.

In the correct chronology of the ages, Yoruba predates Khemet and Mesopotamia.

Olu317:


1. Since you and I know Yoruba's calendar is 10,60 years, how do you conclude on your information of Yoruba being the oldest peopke on planet earth?

2. Do you know about four- oldest bones that their ages range from over 100 years - 300 years are not in West Africa?

3. Do you know the oldest bone found in Yoruba land at Iwo Eleri isnt Yoruba ancestor?

4. Do you know this bone found in Iwo Eleru is about 11,000+ years?

5. Do you know the oldest temple in the world is in Göbekli Tepee in Turkey?


Dear brother, if you don't like Caucasians, because one reason or the other doesn't mean,fossils account need be neglected by you. In fact, researchers are spread across the globe,irrespective of colour or ethnicity.


Cheers

Amujale:



Although much of what you state here are official lines.

And are the ones that needs refuting. These arent based on scientific conclusions, rather are loosely based on out dated Eurocentric and Asian bias.

There’s need to understand that the way Africans operate in the ancient times cannot be crosschecked by making use of Eurocentric and or Asian bias text or viewpoints.

The Yoruba calendar is meant to determine the day, month & years not meant to determine the age of the planet, there that argument doesnt have any weight.

Furthermore, the greatest significance of "Gobekli Tepe" is shroud in the myth that it supposedly the birth place of civilisation, however untrue that may seem, it's sacred significance however, is in the fact that the people who built "Gobekli Tepe" are rightfully deemed the first religious gathering to come out of Europe.

African historians have been proven to be more trustworthy than their Eurocentric and Asian peers.

Amujale:


African historians are the most qualified and capable to write African history. Most of the facts that you state have been found to be based on questionable ideologies.

Now, there’s need for me to make clear the fact that West African communities predates all and a every community outside of Africa and is highly considered amongst the oldest in Africa.

Olu317:
Which ethnic group are you inferring a the oldest group in the world?

2. Are you referring to the land in West Africa as the oldest being inhabited by people of West Africa?

My last take on this is that, West Africa did not predate East Africa-Northern Africa Inhabitants

Amujale:

According to most of our reputable historians,
West African communities predates all and a every community outside of Africa and is highly considered amongst the oldest in Africa.

Olu317:

Sorry I can't tolerate such juxtaposition anymore because I have studied with reliable information without biases more than such knowledge.

Cheers

Amujale:
I study with keen fascination everything about pre-colonial Africa for most of my adult life, history is intentional choice for me, because if you intend to study on sometime it’s normal to want to know their history.

I’ve studied world history with the aid of the writings and seminars of great African academics.


In part of my findings, it becomes crystal clear that Europeans and Arabic scholars spent the best part of their times trying to down-play, make false claims and or silence the discourse around African history.

Instead the evidence suggests that the version of history taught to us and peddled by western philosophy is both incorrect and counter-intuitive.

Amujale:
The history that I present to you here, speaks of today, would pass all well-balanced scientific and logical scrutiny more than can be said for the present versions peddled by Eurocentric and Arab scholars.

Amujale:


African spirituality is HUGE, is larger than the organisation you refer to as the United Nations. The reasons they are acceptable is precisely because it will further contradict the lies and falsities been peddled to us by Christianity and Islam. And the United Nations is also part of the furniture in the office of a Eurocentric. African spirituality is the standard that everyone eventually ends up judging themselves with; however, what the Eurocentrics and Arabs forgot to tell us is that everyone in the Europe and large parts of Asia worship God through the African spirituality (some will argue they still unknowingly does today) during the time of the Romans.

Amujale:


African history is my study plus Earth sciences/Anthropology




Prior to 1400 B.C.E all of Europe and much of Asia worship African God(s). Consequently, they assimilate their well known divinities into their culture and philosophy.



Stop already!

Obviously you don’t understand we’ll enough to know that it’s uncool to keep bringing chi into conversation.

Even though you seem quite intelligent and I sense great potential.

For me, to truly get understanding African history, certain conditions are to hold; one is to disregard rhetoric, hear say and all other anti-African discourse with regards to history. Furthermore, to regard African history as genuine, If it isn’t written, deliberated-upon or judged by Africans, such writings that fit into these category must simply be deemed inadmissible. That is to say, in a sense, most of the present Eurocentric and Asian discourse on African history will be deemed to be false and invalid.

The only true African history is that which is derived by an African(s), by default all other versions are false.

The discourse on European history is primarily exclusive to European writers.

The discourse on Asia’s history is primarily exclusive to Asian writers.

The discourse on Africa’s history is primarily badly concocted by European and Asian writers. This is where all of us (you and I) come in and repair the damage for the benefit of the next generations and our own overstanding.

Majority of ‘Classical’ European deities and divinities came directly from an African divinity, in some ways, they (the foreigners) would snatch an entire concept of ‘divine’ and transplant the same concept into their communities i.e Andromeda, Hermes, Zeus e.t.c

Greeks Zeus and many other mainland African divinity that the Greeks and Romans implanted into their philosophy; even though their total disregard for intellectual property is something that will haunt them forever. Roman Apollo same type of activity occurs; same thing with the Persians.

Olu317:



Well, you are the one that have no knowledge of your history because you are fed with lies and you cant even question certain glaring information before you,yet you boast of being an historian. As far as I know,you're an Afrocentric person who failed to even neglect the fact that Africa has 1500+ languages. In fact, West Africa has about 400+ languages.So being in a discipline of Earth science, History and anthropology can't even unravel who is who in Africa except through knowledge acquision on linguistic, Archeology, Hieroglyphs, pictographs etc before you can be boastful through journal or papers you present. Mind you, history has it that migration that took place toward the new world begun from Africa and there were migration back and forth to Africa.

You said,‘Even though you seem quite intelligent, you display the same warped understanding of African history that anti-African individuals possess'.


If I display warped understanding of African; doesnt mean I displays warped understanding about Yoruba's history. Kindly be mindful of what you say because genealogy had been part of ancestral lineage ever since they arrived in West Africa around 9BC-100AD. Therefore, I chose to deviate from self egocentrism o'er my ability with cogent reason because like I had carefully stated in my previous post,that Africa wasn't the name of this foundational continent of the world from the beginning. So ,if you love this continent,expose us to the actual name of this continent to begin with.

Seriously 1400BC is a child's play to what we know. Infact, 5000BC is a child's play as well. But before you run,kindly ponder over these Questions:

1. Have you ever considered over unintelligible 1500+ ethnic groups languages between each one of them that make up this continent?

2.Do consider archeological evidence before you churn out your condemnation at all ?

3.Do you not consider it correct as a researcher to narrow down your research with a case study before lumping up Africa as if it's one ethnic group?

4.Is Greek god; Atlas in Greek mythology stolen from which ethnic group in Africa ?

5. Do you realise that this same continent, precisely in Morocco was dubbed by Western World researchers as the Oldest place with fossil humas and followed up by, middle East; Israel ?

6. Why do you now accuse people who wrote according to their verified researches?

7. Do you even know the reason for multiplicity of diverged languages in this Continent?

8. Do you even know Egypt -Kmt(Meroe) was conquered six times?

9. Were the conquests perpetuated by your so called Nubian, Cushites,Ethiopians only ?

10. Do you even known some so called Africans of royalty were excavated to being buried upright in ancient Egypt?

11.Do you know Yoruba use ram as sacrifice to portray strength and authority unlike Kmt that worship Ram( Ra)

12 .Do you even know in present day Nigeria, there is a known royalty in Eastern-Ibo(Igbo) Nigeria whose deceased kings are buried upright?

13. Why was it impossible to remember all the deceased kings before Èlùfín(Olofin) Oshin(Odua)?


Note:#Advice#
*There are so many things people like you need to learn through humility so as to be knowledgeable on things that are in darkness to you*. So ponder

You claim that West Africa doesnt predate Mesopotamia, and i say provide with the proof instead of calling me Afrocentric. Before you go any further, kindly answer to your initial claims.


(1.) Believing Mesopotamia or Khemet predates West African history in total contradiction to the evidence.

The bases of the presumption lies on floored intelligence.

(2.) Suggesting that Yoruba & Hebrew are one and the same.

Assuming all your assertions on the connections are fact, then, as previously stated, would go further to prove that the Hebrew language might have derived from the Yoruba language, since its universally accepted that West African history predates that of Western Asia.

Where do you think humans originate?

According to African historians and academics, West African communities predates their North and North East African peers. The only people that think or claim otherwise are the present North Africans, Europeans and Asians; majority of Africans agree with me and their academia.

Oduduwa is the Legendary father of Yoruba. A war machine force of nature in his own right; and a remarkable ruler.

Oduduwa is Yoruba hailing from within Nigeria. However, he couldn’t have come from Saudi Arabia because there was no people living in Asia at the time.

Furthermore, the Mecca story is probably the work of earlier extremist scholars forced under duress to help try wipe out all competing culture; with the help of scientific techniques available to us today enables us to determine the story to be false.

Amujale:
Oduduwa is the Legendary father of Yoruba. A war machine force of nature in his own right; and a remarkable ruler.

Oduduwa is Yoruba hailing from within Nigeria. However, he couldn’t have come from Saudi Arabia because there was no people living in Asia at the time.

Furthermore, the Mecca story is probably the work of earlier extremist scholars forced under duress to help try wipe out all competing culture; with the help of scientific techniques available to us today enables us to determine the story to be false.

Who told you that people were not living in Asia at the aforementioned time?

Let us be sincere with our self,oduduwa can't be the Father's of the yoruba people because he actually met people at ife when he ran away from igodomigodo

Ndipe:


Who told you that people were not living in Asia at the aforementioned time?

African history suggest the era of the Emperor depicts time that predate the "warm-interstadio". Before these times, all humans in the world are residence in Africa. The migration to other parts of the world occurs during the 'warm-interstadio'.

Dartilo:
Let us be sincere with our self,oduduwa can't be the Father's of the yoruba people because he actually met people at Ife...

Oduduwa is the Legendary father of Yoruba. A war machine force of nature in his own right; and a remarkable ruler.

According to African history, the people Oduduwa met at Ife are themselves 100% relevant to Yoruba; and are known as the earliest settlements.

Most people agree with me that the suggestion of relationship isnt based soley on biology, although is one of the leading scientific arguments available to us.

Hence, is a fair assumption to suggest that most present day people (from all around the world, but most especially West Africa) are descendants of that particular Empire.

U guys should stop decievin urself bfor now dem said oranmiyan was a powerful warrior that single handedly conquer oyo,remember that same oranmiyan left benin because of the internal war in benin...The truth is this oduduwa left benin for the fear of his life bt he told those who he met his place of origin that he was the son of ogiso then title for kings in benin meaning king of the sky so they tot he fell from the sky


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Oduduwa is the Legendary father of Yoruba. A war machine force of nature in his own right; and a remarkable ruler

Most people agree with me that the suggestion of relationship isnt based soley on biology, although is the leading relationship

Hence, is a fair assumption to suggest that most present day people (all over the world, but most especially West Africa) are direct descendants of the Emperor.

According to African history, the people Oduduwa met at Ife are themselves 100% Yoruba; and are known as the earliest settlements.


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Oduduwa is the Legendary father of Yoruba. A war machine force of nature in his own right; and a remarkable ruler.

According to African history, the people Oduduwa met at Ife are themselves 100% relevant to Yoruba; and are known as the earliest settlements.

Most people agree with me that the suggestion of relationship isnt based soley on biology, although is one of the leading scientific arguments available to us.

Hence, is a fair assumption to suggest that most present day people (from all around the world, but most especially West Africa) are descendants of that particular Empire.

Amujale:
According to African historians and academics, West African communities predates their North and North East African peers. The only people that think or claim otherwise are the present North Africans, Europeans and Asians; majority of Africans agree with me and their academia.

The previous post of yours still made mentioned of I having “warped understanding of Yoruba,history at large"

Little do you know, I and some others have gone through this same lane with intellectuals who shared your “Ignorant" views on Yoruba and Hebrew cognates ,simply because ,they were comfortable being called a people with lost Identity being that Oshin a.k.a (Odudua) has no known ancestors in West Africa and bewildered with grandeur lies from people like you and some Edo revisionism who walloped in idealism, instead of facing up with the reality. What a shame!

Interestingly, the grace bestowed upon me by the lord of my ancestors has helped me break certain code through rigorous study which will make you pick up my book at the right time in the future on Yoruba and Semitic origin of these wonderful people. I mean, the book of the same man, whom you referred as having “warped understanding on Yoruba". Obviously you lack extensive studying into Africa people and the sensitive issues as it relate to Africa's different ethnic identity per see .

Need I forget to inform you that you need do extra study and forget your pride to understand the make up of scientific,and linguistic evidence so as to stand the test of time.

Now, answer these questions:

A. Since, you claimed that West Africa is older than the rest of the world ; could you be specific about the ethnicity that inhabited this land?

B.What archaic cultivation tools were discovered in this land you posit as the oldest in West Africa?

Your question to me:
“You claim that West Africa doesnt predate Mesopotamia, and i say provide with the proof instead of calling me Afrocentric. Before you go any further, kindly answer to your initial claims"'.

Answers:

On the world scene, it has been discovered that the oldest Fossil humans were from Africa,which was the foundation land of mankind. And the three oldest fossil human is as follows,including non African soil:

1. Morocco: it is the oldest Homo sapiens fossils and are around 300,000 years old

2. Ethiopia: The Homo sapiens fossils in two locations have been dated to between 195,000 and 160,000

3.Jebel Irhoud:This the oldest outside Africa and found in Jebel Irhoud. Misliya, Mount Carmel, Israel . The Earliest modern human fossil found outside Africa has been dated to between 177,000 and 194,000 years old.



My question to you,is this:
Where is your West Africa from the above fossils
information?

THE YORUBA KINGDOM
The yorubas today occupy the land to the south and west of the lower niger.
They form one of the leading tribes in Nigeria. Their neighbours are the Hausas
And fulanis to the north, the dahomeyans to the west and the Binis or Edos to the
east. There is no evidence to show that they, like the Hausas or the Kanuris, had
any access to the barber cultures.
Origins
Like other west African tribes, the origins of the yorubas are still wrapped in myth
and mystery. Some of the available evidences show that they arrived at their present
homes either in the 10th or 11th century. One of the legends show that they migrated
from the east. It is also suggested that their fore fathers were either Berbers or
Hamites who migrated to the south from areas around the River Nile.
But the most popular and dependable legend says that their ancestors belonged to the
Quresh tribe of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Their first father, according to this legend, was
Lamrud or Namrud. He had an idol priest called 'Ya-Harba' from where the tribe got its name.
The word 'Ya-Harba' is an Arabic word meaning 'warrior' or 'army - general'. Ya-Harba was the
son of Lamrud.
When Islam was introduced in Mecca in the 7th century, Lamrud, Ya-Harba and their supporters refused to embrace the religion. Soon, the newly converted muslims
were forced to take arms against Lamrud and his pagan supporters. The pagans were
defeated after which they fled the city, crossing the red sea to Africa. They got to Egypt in 648 A. D . Soon they moved to Tripoli ,Algeria and Morocco. During this journey the idol priest, Ya-Harba, consulted his oracle ,and he was told that he and his people should go to wherever the
Oracle directed them. They followed the oracle's direction until they eventually arrived at Ile-Ife.
This was around 900 A. D. Or 1000 A. D. The exact time is not yet known, however.
According to the same legend, Lamrud and his idol-priest, Ya-Harba, died on the way. It was therefore Oduduwa who led the Yorubas to Ile-Ife. This is why Oduduwa, and not Lamrud or Ya-Harba, is referred to today as the 'Father of the Yorubas. But even though Ya-Harba
could not reach Ile-Ife his people decided to immotalise his name by calling their
settlement 'Ya-Harba, ' which was later converted to 'Yoruba'.
There we're some who left Mecca with the Yorubas but who did not get to Ile-Ife.
Some stopped at the bank of the Red Sea. These now form part of the ethnic groups
of the eastern provinces of the Republic of the Sudan. They are known as the Bejas
And the Adandawa in Eritrea and Ethiopia. They have the same figure as the Yorubas
Of Nigeria. Others are the Shajia( also in the Sudan) . They ,like the Yorubas, carry tribal
Marks. In the Chad Republic, there is also another group called the Wadai, who claimed
the same historical background as the Yorubas.




PLEASE POST TO FRONT PAGE SO THAT THE YORUBAS IN NAIRALAND WOULD KNOW THEIR HISTORY.


Source; The History of Africa by A. J Wills(P. hD) 1962

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They’re all fabrications for all I care , and your claims about Mecca being most dependable is disputable , why did I say so?

Arabs were the first people to write after the phoenicians , they started writing earlier than any other people on earth , except for the phoenicians who invented writing.

Arabs are knows to keep records of migrations in and out of their lands and if the Quresh narrative were true it would be documented in their archives.

The East was known as Mecca amongst the Yorubas just as the East was known as Arabia in ancient times. We just have options of so many versions and lies to chose from.

Yorubas were the original inhabitants of what is today known as Egypt but was called Kemet many millennia ago.

Spazolas:


They’re all fabrications for all I care , and your claims about Mecca being most dependable is disputable , why did I say so?

Arabs were the first people to write after the phoenicians , they started writing earlier than any other people on earth , except for the phoenicians who invented writing.

Arabs are knows to keep records of migrations in and out of their lands and if the Quresh narrative were true it would be documented in their archives.

The East was known as Mecca amongst the Yorubas just as the East was known as Arabia in ancient times. We just have options of so many versions and lies to chose from.

Exactly, Arabs have always possessed one of the highest level of literacy, and their outstanding contribution to science & technology is also never in doubt here.

African scholarship are often not given due credit in the Arabic context as well. i.e Chadian, Ethopian, Egyptian, Sudanese e.t.c

Its also important to note the fact that Africa owns the first known literate communities on the planet; outside of ancient Egypt.

Presently, African historians and academics have discovered in all sorts of locations, ancient written text belonging to various African communities. U.N.E.S.C.O is aware of these discoveries.

Contrary to what most Eurocentric and Arab scholars assume, most mainland Africans are infact pre-literate. According to African linguistics, more scripts have been discovered in Africa than America , Asia & Europe combined.

Totaly nine major African scripts are presently discovered not includng Arabic e.g Akan, Meroitic e.t.c . More than anywhere else. Therefore, Africans are probably born with a unique sense of literacy.