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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by dipopooo(m): 11:14am On Jan 01, 2019
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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by etebefia: 11:14am On Jan 01, 2019
I think first fruit means "something out of your first harvest" and not "all of the harvest". Imagine someone telling you the whole of your first month salary.

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Nobody: 11:14am On Jan 01, 2019
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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Funjosh(m): 11:15am On Jan 01, 2019
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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by BluntBoy(m): 11:15am On Jan 01, 2019
Ken4Christ:


Christianity upheld the moral principles taught under the Law of Moses. The only difference is that we are no longer subject to strict rules and regulations such as daily sacrifices, washing of hands and feet etc.

The law teaches, thou shall not kill, it is also upheld in Christianity.

Jesus came to fulfill the law. He made it possible for us to meet the righteous requirements of the Law.

I doubt if you are really born again and fill with the Holy Ghost. Even traditionalist have enough sense to first honour their ancestors when they hold special meetings. You see them pouring some portion of drinks to the earth. Their ancestors most drink first.

Please, have some spiritual common sense.

Is firstfruits a moral principle

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by frankfrancis871: 11:15am On Jan 01, 2019
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Stop shaking tables unnecessarily! You anti-christ!
Praise God.
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by fasho01(m): 11:16am On Jan 01, 2019
OkCornel:
FIRST FRUITS IN JUDAISM AS GOD DESIGNED IT TO BE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Fruits

Hebrew perspective

Main article: Bikkurim (First-fruits)

In Ancient Israel, First Fruits was a type of offering that was akin to, but distinct from, terumah gedolah. While terumah gedolah was an agricultural tithe, the First-fruits, discussed in the Bikkurim tractate of the Talmud, were a sacrificial gift brought up to the altar (Bikkurim 3:12). The major obligation to bring First Fruits (henceforth: Bikkurim) to the Temple began at the festival of Shavuot and continued until the festival of Sukkot (Bikkurim 1:6). This tithe was limited to the traditional seven agricultural products (wheat, barley, grapes in the form of wine, figs, pomegranates, olives in the form of oil, and dates) grown in Israel. This tithe, and the associated festival of Shavuot, is legislated by the Torah. Textual critics speculate that these regulations were imposed long after the offerings and festival had developed.

By the time of classical antiquity, extensive regulations regarding Bikkurim were recorded in the classical rabbinical literature. According to Jewish law, the corners of fields, wild areas, left-overs after harvesting (gleanings), and unowned crops were not subjected to (and could not be used as) the tithe of First Fruits (they were intended to be left as charity for the poor, and other mendicants); plants from outside Israel were also prohibited from inclusion in the tithe, as was anything belonging to non-Jews.[ The rules also specify that each type of product had to be individually tithed, even if the numbers were balanced so that there was no difference in amount between this situation and using just some types of First Fruit as the tithe, and retaining others in their entirety. Fruit which was allocated to the tithe could not be swapped for fruit which wasn't, to the extent that wine couldn't be swapped for vinegar, and olive oil couldn't be replaced by olives; furthermore, fruits were not allowed to be individually divided if only part went to the tithe (small whole pomegranates had to be used rather than sections from a large pomegranate, for example).

The separation of tithed produce from untithed produce was also subject to regulation. The individual(s) separating one from the other had to be ritually clean, and had to include the best produce in the tithe if a kohen (priest) lived nearby. During the act of separation, the produce was not permitted to be counted out to determine which fell under the tithe, nor to be weighed for that purpose, nor to be measured for the same reason, but instead the proportion that was to become the tithe had to be guessed at. In certain situations, such as when tithed produce became mixed with non-tithed produce (or there was uncertainty as to whether it had), the tithed produce had to be destroyed.Anyone who made mistakes in the separation of tithed produce, and anyone who consumed any of the tithe, was required to pay compensation as a guilt offering.

The pilgrims that brought the Bikkurim to the Temple were obligated to recite a declaration, also known as the Avowal, set forth in Deuteronomy 26:3-10 (cf. Mishnah, Bikkurim 3:6). Native-born Israelites and proselytes would bring the Bikkurim and would say the Avowal, but women who brought the Bikkurim were not permitted to say the Avowal, since they were unable to claim inheritance in the Land bequeathed unto the tribes by their male lineage.[a] This Avowal was incorporated into a beautiful and grand festive celebration with a procession of pilgrims marching up to Jerusalem and then the Temple with gold, silver or willow baskets to which live birds were tied. (Bikkurim 3:3,5 and cool. The pilgrims were led by flutists to the city of Jerusalem where they were greeted by dignitaries (Bikkurim 3:3). The procession would then resume with the flutist in lead until the Temple Mount where the Levites would break out in song (Bikkurim 3:4). The birds were given as sacrificial offerings and the declaration would be made before a priest while the basket was still on the pilgrim's shoulder (Bikkurim 3:5-6). After the basket was presented to the priest, it was placed by the Altar and the pilgrim would bow and leave (Bikkurim 3:6).


I'M STILL WONDERING HOW FIRST FRUITS HAS TRANSFORMED INTO FIRST WAGES & SALARIES WITHOUT ANY CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM GOD IN THE SCRIPTURES TO THE CONTRARY!

Give unto God and man, but please beware of false teachers twisting the truth (facts) on ground with a little error or lies to suit their selfish interests


Thank you for this. Don't mind the overzealous fanatics who continue to empower and defend their oppressors.. Little wonder such attitude translates into our politics


It's just a reflection of who we are generally #sad

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by lomprico(m): 11:19am On Jan 01, 2019
They brought their firstlings not "all" their produce. But the 419ers GOM will demand all ur january salary!
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Athena4: 11:20am On Jan 01, 2019
Blah blah blah.First fruit ko, Second Vegetable Ni.

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by ednut1(m): 11:22am On Jan 01, 2019
U guys make me sick. Why is there no argument about money in other religions The brand of christianity in nigeria is nothing but extortion . So many jobless and hopeless pple just opening churches cos of money. Spits

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by kareemkamil(m): 11:24am On Jan 01, 2019
Christianity is a fraud and scam
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Necksonnel: 11:24am On Jan 01, 2019
I don't know when all this people will realise loving God is not all about money. All what this churches and pastors want is money and they will twist the Bible thousands of times to satisfy themselves.
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by hisgrace090: 11:25am On Jan 01, 2019
Thank you ken4christ.

Simple but straight.
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by hillsate: 11:33am On Jan 01, 2019
Jesus was a carpenter's son.
He ran the business.
was there ever a time Joseph or Jesus paid in any first fruit?

Jesus was the pastor of the disciples.
They left everything and followed Him.
I don't see where the disciples dependents brought first fruit to Jesus. Wasn't He a man of God?

Why is first fruit now always about money? People offered their produce
For someone that produces Coffins, are pastors willing to receive caskets as first fruit?

Someone should please respond to above questions citing biblical references.

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by betatalk: 11:38am On Jan 01, 2019
We in Africa pick parts of the Bible to favor our greed or skewed opinion. Bible has so many teaches but it is the one that has to do with money that sweet us. Yet Africa is backward and poverty abounds. Jesus message was on love to those with no food,clothes n lack. Let's focus on love your neigbor as yourself. Stop all this gamble teaching.
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by CHARLOE(m): 11:41am On Jan 01, 2019
OkCornel:


Are you following Abel or Jesus?

Jesus has told us how to love God and man through Matthew 25 v 31-46

Let us know if it's Jesus you are following or someone else is your role model.

Jesus is a perfect representation of the saints before, during and after the era of the Law.

By the way... where in the Bible was first fruits paid with gold or silver? Did laborers pay their first fruits through their wages?

Do you have any New testament reference where the early church mandated christians to pay first fruits? does Acts 15 make any sense to you?

Or are you practicing Judeo-Christianity without knowing it?
No mind d mumu, he must b 1 of d fraudulent pastorpreneurs out there. Only d gullible will fall for 1st fruit scam.

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Glory4ever(m): 11:44am On Jan 01, 2019
My brother, be it to you according to your faith. Anybody who doesn't believe in tithing, will never believe in first fruit.

Everybody should go for what works for them. To me, tithing great. First fruit AWESOME!!!

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Kusetic(m): 11:46am On Jan 01, 2019
Ken4Christ:


Our Lord Jesus taught the same principle. It is summarized in one sentence - But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you - Matthew 6:33[b][/b]

God will never take a second place in your life. That is why the first thing you ought to do in the morning is to begin the day with God. This is giving the firstfruit of your time.

Jesus himself is our firstfruit. 1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

The people in the Bible days didn't trade much in cash. There were either farmers or cattle rearers. They don't have to give money as firstfruit since they already gave it in crops or animals.


Did you just twist "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you" - Matthew 6:33, to suit your argument for firstfruit. Ridiculous, just ridiculous, salvation is the primary reason Jesus came to earth, not your first fruit or your tithes. Spend more time loving God and less time treating him as a money doubler.

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by kpompey: 11:54am On Jan 01, 2019
Ken4Christ:


And love is a giver. If you truly have the love nature of God, you will give your very best even all that you have for the Gospel sake and to help those in need.

For God so love the world that he gave...

Don't be a stingy Christian. Honour God with your firstfruit and he will cause his blessing to rest in your house. Increase will only be your portion. I pray that your eyes will be opened to understand this simple truth.


So that the Pastors can continue to grow fat with their families while the congregation suffer.Every Pastor now boast of their wealth , forgetting that they make daily and weekly return from a cumulative hussle of their members. Now we know that Nigerian Churches are not charity house that could help the needy but we should go back to farming. Highest level of modern day fraud

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ivanspring(f): 12:35pm On Jan 01, 2019
Kusetic:


Did you just twist "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you" - Matthew 6:33, to suit your argument for firstfruit. Ridiculous, just ridiculous, salvation is the primary reason Jesus came to earth, not your first fruit or your tithes. Spend more time loving God and less time treating him as a money doubler.

@the bolded, that's just the long and short of all the noise on tithes and first fruits.

The GOs tell their members to give their last 1naira and "watch God" give them back 10naira in a few days, weeks or months.

Yes, the Bible said, "give and it will come back to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over..." But is that the only thing the Bible talked about?

Repentance is no longer being preached in many churches. It's all about the tithes and offerings.
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by cbrass(m): 12:40pm On Jan 01, 2019
OkCornel:


Did God Almighty ever instruct first fruits to be paid monetarily?


God gave clear instructions (not implied principles) on first fruits and how it should be paid...however, this is not obligatory on Christians to adhere to...


The things necessary for Christians to do were clearly spelt out in Acts Chapter 15. That drew the line clearly between Judaism and Christianity.

Say no to Judeo-Christianity!!!

Confusionists in the early church tried mixing Mosaic Laws with the works of Christ...the same mistake should not be repeated today.

Thank you.

Exactly I wish I can like your response more than ones

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by johnpablo541(m): 12:52pm On Jan 01, 2019
Ken4Christ:


Our Lord Jesus taught the same principle. It is summarized in one sentence - But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you - Matthew 6:33.

God will never take a second place in your life. That is why the first thing you ought to do in the morning is to begin the day with God. This is giving the firstfruit of your time.

Jesus himself is our firstfruit. 1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

The people in the Bible days didn't trade much in cash. There were either farmers or cattle rearers. They don't have to give money as firstfruit since they already gave it in crops or animals.



Actually they traded in much cash back then. The Israelites were even commanded not to pay their tithes in money. Read Deuteronomy 14 : 22 - 29

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Nobody: 12:53pm On Jan 01, 2019
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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Originalsly: 1:05pm On Jan 01, 2019
So we practice what they did then...... why don't we sacrifice animals like they did then?...why are we selective?
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ayobami7(m): 1:11pm On Jan 01, 2019
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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by 12345baba(m): 1:22pm On Jan 01, 2019
Do people still practice things in the old testament?
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Truefaith: 1:37pm On Jan 01, 2019
This is a lie.

The Messiah has come!

These people are either knowingly or unknowingly deceiving people as to how God answers people's prayers. The God of the Bible only answers prayers made to Him according to His Will in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ.

Anyone preaching any other route to God is an unbeliever and a servant of Satan. Such people are working for, and under the Antichrist.

The first-fruits teaching is from Satan: the main aim is to deny the efficacy of the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

www.thetruechristianfaith.com/the-great-take-over-of-the-church-of-christ/
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by NoToPile: 2:38pm On Jan 01, 2019
I dont even get what the hullabo is about.

Its not like anyone is saying anyone must pay. Those that believe and feel they want to honor God with their first salary or profit or whatever should go ahead and if you dont want to nobody is saying you must. How is that so hard?

There are people that still take the first salary of their first job to their parents to bless and pray for them because they believe there's a blessing attached to the prayer of their parents.

Let everyone do as he so wish.

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by poyebad: 2:53pm On Jan 01, 2019
Confused people who know so little about God, yet believe they speak the mind of God. The Op lacks the simple decency and courtesy to study the Bible well before trying to make declarations in the name of God. Either that or he is a pastor whose very livelihood depends on the payment of these ridiculous offerings.
It is not by force to be a pastor especially if you are not called. Go and get a decent job and work hard and smart so you can stop embarrassing yourself in the name of religious bara.

If you must resurrect the very same things Christ died to face out, why then did He die in the first place? Sill.y people, driven by their belly and making a merchandize of Christ. To think He bled, suffered and died for something, while people like you try converting the fruit of His toils to opportunities to make filthy lucre...

In the Old Testament, people like you would be brought out by your father and mother and stoned to death for falsely speaking in the name of God.

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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Lucas4903: 2:54pm On Jan 01, 2019
Weda first fruit or last fruit. All is a scam and have no place in Christ. The only thing and I mean only thing Christ profess with his mouth for us to continually do is the Holy Communion.
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by AdeMavrodi: 3:23pm On Jan 01, 2019
Old testament. Do you still make animal sacrifices? The new dispensation is different from the old.
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Eres94: 3:46pm On Jan 01, 2019
OkCornel:


You that has spiritual common sense...go and read Acts 15 which clearly spells the difference between Christianity and Judaism...

Jesus has replaced the requirements of the Law with Love for God and Man...

Through Love...you have fulfilled the law...Go and read Acts 15 and Matthew 25 v 31-46 again...

Cheers...


and what is this love for God and man covers...?
isn't it the ability through grace by the power of the holy spirit to do what is expected in the relationship you have between him and your fellow man
so honoring God should be abandoned...
tell me how do you honor God ?
there are many ways we honor God and it should be out of love (conviction) but the likes of you need a law to show you the way..since you can't under the love ability giving to u

and am saying this based on showing how much you love God and not trying to save yourself via the law
this is totally different

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