Eres94:



and what is this love for God and man covers...?
isn't it the ability through grace by the power of the holy spirit to do what is expected in the relationship you have between him and your fellow man
so honoring God should be abandoned...
tell me how do you honor God ?
there are many ways we honor God and it should be out of love (conviction) but the likes of you need a law to show you the way..since you can't under the love ability giving to u

and am saying this based on showing how much you love God and not trying to save yourself via the law
this is totally different

Go and read Matthew 25 v 31-46. The answers to what you need are there.

The only time Jesus considered you are giving to him is when you help the least among you.

BluntBoy:

Is firstfruits a moral principle

it reflects seeking first the kingdom of God, honor and giving your best.. hmmm

OkCornel:


Go and read Matthew 25 v 31-46. The answers to what you need are there.

The only time Jesus considered you are giving to him is when you help the least among you.

and am not disputing that...

Eres94:


and am not disputing that...

Great!

Eres94:



it reflects seeking first the kingdom of God, honor and giving your best.. hmmm

You people should just stop this desperate heresy.

Did you listen to yourself at all? How does firstfruits reflect seeking the Kingdom of God to a Christian?

Perhaps, you are a pastor. But please, don't let your greed for money lead you astray.

The Bible asked an important question: What shall it profit you to gain the whole world and lose your own soul in hell?

Anyone who thinks that, in spite of Christ's sacrifices and death, firstfruits still reflects seeking first the Kingdom of God is really desperate to get hold of other people's money.

kpompey:



So that the Pastors can continue to grow fat with their families while the congregation suffer.Every Pastor now boast of their wealth , forgetting that they make daily and weekly return from a cumulative hussle of their members. Now we know that Nigerian Churches are not charity house that could help the needy but we should go back to farming. Highest level of modern day fraud

It is not your offering that makes Pastors rich. A Pastor becomes rich when he himself lives by the kingdom principles of giving. You can be poor when you give. Those who are poor in church are those who don't give.

Kusetic:


Did you just twist "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you" - Matthew 6:33, to suit your argument for firstfruit. Ridiculous, just ridiculous, salvation is the primary reason Jesus came to earth, not your first fruit or your tithes. Spend more time loving God and less time treating him as a money doubler.

Your salvation includes deliverance from poverty. The Bible says that Jesus became poor so that through his poverty you can become rich. You can't separate the gospel from money. The gospel is free but it cost to spread it. It is therefore easier to spread the gospel when there is money.

hisgrace090:
Thank you ken4christ.

Simple but straight.

You are welcome.

BluntBoy:


Is firstfruits a moral principle

No, it's kingdom financial principles which the Law also taught. It is upheld in the new testament teachings of Jesus and his Apostles.

The first belongs to God. And it still remains a fact. God will never take a second place.

Ken4Christ:


No, it's kingdom financial principles which the Law also taught. It is upheld in the new testament teachings of Jesus and his Apostles.

The first belongs to God. And it still remains a fact. God will never take a second place.

I suspect you are a winners member or pastor...
but, Hear me clearly.. JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SALVATION AND NOT FOR YOUR WEALTH... you become rich when you put your hand to work...

Ken4Christ:


It is not your offering that makes Pastors rich. A Pastor becomes rich when he himself lives by the kingdom principles of giving. You can be poor when you give. Those who are poor in church are those who don't give.

Your feedback made me smile, I don't want to have an impression that you are a beneficiary.This is 2009 teaching and people are more prudent now. Pastors doesn't give but only accept and pray once they see crowd. If you like keep enriching them so that your hard earned cash can be use to ride jeeps, facilitate children education in USA and many more, while you are here hussling to meet ends need.

Ken4Christ:


No, it's kingdom financial principles which the Law also taught. It is upheld in the new testament teachings of Jesus and his Apostles.

The first belongs to God. And it still remains a fact. God will never take a second place.

Interesting.

Can you provide a Bible verse of Jesus teaching firstfruits?

And if there are any, might you tell us who His audience(s) was.

While attempting to answer these questions of mine, bear in mind, that Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles. His ministry on earth was specifically to the Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPJKgt_zg-w

BluntBoy:


Interesting.

Can you provide a Bible verse of Jesus teaching firstfruits?

And if there are any, might you tell us who His audience(s) was.

While attempting to answer these questions of mine, bear in mind, that Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles. His ministry on earth was specifically to the Jews.

Jesus didn't have to repeat what they already knew and practice. His teachings on giving actually places more demands than firstfruits and tithe. Jesus wants us to give all, not just the first or the tenth. And he gave this instruction to bridge the gap between the rich and the poor. However, only the early church practiced it.

So if you are not convinced about firstfruits or tithe because Jesus did not talk much about it, why not practice the one he talked about.

Luke 12:33-34.
33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Acts 2:44-45.
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

kpompey:


Your feedback made me smile, I don't want to have an impression that you are a beneficiary.This is 2009 teaching and people are more prudent now. Pastors doesn't give but only accept and pray once they see crowd. If you like keep enriching them so that your hard earned cash can be use to ride jeeps, facilitate children education in USA and many more, while you are here hussling to meet ends need.

No, you are wrong. Pastors do give and they are the best givers. But they give to other ministers and Ministries where they draw their inspiration from.