Toxay:
Really,so you think men are the only ones culpable for an imbalanced society. And that is the problem of many feminists because women are just as guilty as men as regard the establishment of a patriachal society that we have. This is well highlighted in how mother train thier male children diff from the female ones. @miss write

You mean women are culpable for raising their sons in a certain way and daughters in others? Of course, I agree with you. They're culpable because they didn't try to change things. But isn't that what feminists are trying to do? When I say "blame yourselves" - I'm referring to the patriarchal society which, personified, has the semblance of the male chauvinist pig; it doesn't matter whether it's docile women, docile men or the chauvinistic men themselves who've perpetuated that guise, it's one collective front.

MissWrite:



Yes. I said earlier, "the more popular mix..." . This implies that there is a comparison between two items. And then I said, "for a heterosexual man". Which do you think is more popular amongst straight guys, doing it with two girls or a guy and a girl? That should be your argument: that two guys and a girl is a more popular mix amongst straight guys, than two girls and a guy. Is that what you're saying?

You can't say one is more popular than the other because you assume it is. without facts and figures to prove it, then this your point is invalid. How do you know that it is the more popular mix, is it because you watch a lot of porn? or because you have seen surveys which said so. Or are you just assuming because you think two guys wouldn't like banging a girl on a normal day?

MensCabal:


You can't say one is more popular than the other because you assume it is. without facts and figures to prove it, then this your point is invalid. How do you know that it is the more popular mix, is it because you watch a lot of porn? or because you have seen surveys which said so. Or are you just assuming because you think two guys wouldn't like banging a girl on a normal day?

First, we have cleared up the fact that both combinations of 3-somes were acknowledged, contrary to your claims (a point you are conveniently sidestepping even when that was your basis for quoting me). And now to the fact that I claim that for heterosexual men the choice of two girls is more popular than two guys: some studies have shown that more men prefer FFM to FMM 3-somes. The following statistic was published by psychology Today. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/strictly-casual/201603/how-many-people-are-really-interested-in-threesomes

MissWrite:



First, we have cleared up the fact that both combinations of 3-somes were acknowledged, contrary to your claims (a point you are conveniently sidestepping even when that was your basis for quoting me). And now to the fact that I claim that for heterosexual men the choice of two girls is more popular than two guys: some studies have shown that more men prefer FFM to FMM 3-somes. The following statistic was published by psychology Today. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/strictly-casual/201603/how-many-people-are-really-interested-in-threesomes

I don't really want to argue with you dear because it wouldn't lead to sharing ideas. I just want you to understand that the way African (Nigerians) view things are very different from the Americans, I checked your statistics from psychology today and it was referring to the Western society in which Women are equal to Men, unlike African society.

I don't think it would be possible for you to bring up statistics that talk about African threesomes and that is why I said you probably assumed that theory.

Neurotika:


Someone finally making sense. Men are more definite about their sexual orientations, women aren't. It's rare seeing bisexual men. But I don't blame the ones writing essays to defend the obvious, it's the deluded guys with a hypocritical sense of toxic masculinity that I'm disappointed in. Throwing around a list of what makes a man (asides the junk he has between his thighs) just to prove a totally different point from the theme of discussion is pure nonsense.

Lols. Certain things are simply not worth arguing. This is one of them, I chirped in just to correct her assertion that some women are absolutely straight. It is unproven yet, I didn't want to tell her my own opinion because seeing the way she was going on about men, bais, society etc, it was obvious that she won't buy it so I gave her a link to the outcome of a study carried out in a reputable university by experts and she was still talking about men being bias. Like seriously? Did I state anywhere that only men carried out the research? Did she even bother to find out how the study was carried out? That wasn't important. The problem is the society.

The difference between a straight woman and a lesbian is just a few bottles of alcohol. #fact.

A straight woman's reaction to the touches of a lesbian is a quite different from a straight man's reaction to the touches of a gay. It disgusts us.

Women touch one another anyhow, men don't. We are different. Talking about three some, most times when a man is having two ladies, the ladies play with each other even though they're straight but it's not same with men.

She is free to call a shovel a spade but a shovel is a shovel.

MensCabal:


I don't really want to argue with you dear because it wouldn't lead to sharing ideas. I just want you to understand that the way African (Nigerians) view things are very different from the Americans, I checked your statistics from psychology today and it was referring to the Western society in which Women are equal to Men, unlike African society.

I don't think it would be possible for you to bring up statistics that talk about African threesomes and that is why I said you probably assumed that theory.

No, I cannot bring up stats about Africans. You're right about that. We don't have those. But you asked for data and since everyone is basing their argument on foreign research, I didn't see why I shouldn't. For homegrown information, however, I can only ask around and decide from responses. Which do you prefer? Let's start there and then I'll give you the assumptions that prompted my claim.

The question is: if you were to find yourself in a 3-way, which would you be more comfortable with? FFM or FMM?

MissWrite:



No, I cannot bring up stats about Africans. You're right about that. We don't have those. But you asked for data and since everyone is basing their argument on foreign research, I didn't see why I shouldn't. For homegrown information, however, I can only ask around and decide from responses. Which do you prefer? Let's start there and then I'll give you the assumptions that prompted my claim.

I am extremely confused here, trying to understand the point of this argument.

First of all, is this argument about party? FFm or Mmf

Secondly, correct me if I am wrong but are they not similar in most cases. I believe in most cases the F is getting it regardless if the situation, I have never seen or heard of a M on M action during three some marathon that involves FMM before.

I hope I am not off point.

MissWrite:



No, I cannot bring up stats about Africans. You're right about that. We don't have those. I can only ask around and decide from responses. Which do you prefer? Let's start there and then I'll give you the assumptions that prompted my claim.

I don't think assumptions will get us anywhere, but

It's the hypocrisy of patriarchal culture again; and this view (that women are naturally inclined to be lesbians) is just as skewed as believing men are biological inclined to be promiscuous while women are monogamous in nature.

Lets work on what you said.

1. Women are not inclined to be lesbians naturally, no single law assumes that insuinates that or states that. Naturally, men are believed to be hardened, strong and vibrant. So seeing two men kissing will likely make them look weaker than men, and that is why we call them women because the only other gender that looks like a man and is weaker than man is a woman. That doesn't mean we all like women kissing...

2. On the thought that men are biologically incline to be promiscuous while women are monogamous in nature. I don't think you read a lot of biology in school if not you would have known that, that is how things are. You don't even need to read biology, but simply watch National Geography. When lions form a pride there is one big male lion known as the Alpha male that gets to mate with all the females in the pride (even though they are 10) and the females only mate with just him. That is promiscuity and monogamy in nature for you. The females would only mate with multiple lions so that during invasions their cubs wouldn't be killed by rival lions as many lions will think they are the father of the cub.

3. Pop culture has made everything all about being plastic and fake and that is why some men easily accept women as lesbians and that is why more women are more inclined to be lesbians (feminists especially). For example, anal sex is a waste of time but many ladies claim to prefer it for no concrete reason. This is because pop culture has made them believe that anal sex makes them more of who they are, just as women have been conditioned to believe that marriage is their greatest achievement..

And since society (men, patriarchy) condones lesbianism and not ma-man gay sex, it's become bolder in public spaces (the same way that male promiscuity has become bold) . And now they want to say that all women are biologically disposed to be gay? I don't think so. There are gay women and straight women; just like there are gay men and straight men.

1. If by society you refer to religious beliefs then understand that it doesn't condone any of it, lesbianism or man-man gay sex. If you refer to people's personal opinions and pop culture then you are correct and that is because men don't see each other as partners (using lions), but rivals, friends and nothing more, while women (using lionesses) are more likely to bond, which may likely goes into lesbianism and since it arouses men then there is no need to stop it. We (men) don't accept it because it's not wrong, we accpet it because it arouses our perverted minds.

2. There is no such thing as gay women or gay men. This is where pop culture comes in again, the same culture that made women believe that it's all about getting the ring (If you watch WAGS you will understand)

greiboy:
I am extremely confused here, trying to understand the point of this argument.

First of all, is this argument about party? FFm or Mmf

Secondly, correct me if I am wrong but are they not similar in most cases. I believe in most cases the F is getting it regardless if the situation, I have never seen or heard of a M on M action during three some marathon that involves FMM before.

I hope I am not off point.

Lol, No, sweetie, you aren't off point. Yes we are talking about 3-somes. I made the sweeping assumption that most heterosexual men are more comfortable with FFM than FMM. And that's because, from my interaction with guys, I've found that most guys are not comfortable with having another guy's parts exposed anywhere around them. But most don't mind having a double portion of female parts play with instead. A man in an FFM situation pays attention to two women, so there's a lot to do.

The appeal, sometimes, for FMM is debasing the girl. Like you said, there might not be any guy on guy action (especially if the guy doesn't have any homosexual inclinations); but some guys get their kicks out of treating a girl like trash. So the whole double-dicking, or stuffing all her cavities at the same time works for them. Sometimes, though, FMM might be the girl's request and the guys might just be two people who don't want to pass up an opportunity.

So there, I explained the assumptions that led to that claim. But nevertheless, a poll would still be useful. What are your persuasions? FFM or FMM? And why?

MensCabal:


I don't think assumptions will get us anywhere, but

It's the hypocrisy of patriarchal culture again; and this view (that women are naturally inclined to be lesbians) is just as skewed as believing men are biological inclined to be promiscuous while women are monogamous in nature.

Lets work on what you said.

1. Women are not inclined to be lesbians naturally, no single law assumes that insuinates that or states that. Naturally, men are believed to be hardened, strong and vibrant. So seeing two men kissing will likely make them look weaker than men, and that is why we call them women because the only other gender that looks like a man and is weaker than man is a woman. That doesn't mean we all like women kissing...

2. On the thought that men are biologically incline to be promiscuous while women are monogamous in nature. I don't think you read a lot of biology in school if not you would have known that, that is how things are. You don't even need to read biology, but simply watch National Geography. When lions form a pride there is one big male lion known as the Alpha male that gets to mate with all the females in the pride (even though they are 10) and the females only mate with just him. That is promiscuity and monogamy in nature for you. The females would only mate with multiple lions so that during invasions their cubs wouldn't be killed by rival lions as many lions will think they are the father of the cub.

3. Pop culture has made everything all about being plastic and fake and that is why some men easily accept women as lesbians and that is why more women are more inclined to be lesbians (feminists especially). For example, anal sex is a waste of time but many ladies claim to prefer it for no concrete reason. This is because pop culture has made them believe that anal sex makes them more of who they are, just as women have been conditioned to believe that marriage is their greatest achievement..

And since society (men, patriarchy) condones lesbianism and not ma-man gay sex, it's become bolder in public spaces (the same way that male promiscuity has become bold) . And now they want to say that all women are biologically disposed to be gay? I don't think so. There are gay women and straight women; just like there are gay men and straight men.

1. If by society you refer to religious beliefs then understand that it doesn't condone any of it, lesbianism or man-man gay sex. If you refer to people's personal opinions and pop culture then you are correct and that is because men don't see each other as partners (using lions), but rivals, friends and nothing more, while women (using lionesses) are more likely to bond, which may likely goes into lesbianism and since it arouses men then there is no need to stop it. We (men) don't accept it because it's not wrong, we accpet it because it arouses our perverted minds.

2. There is no such thing as gay women or gay men. This is where pop culture comes in again, the same culture that made women believe that it's all about getting the ring (If you watch WAGS you will understand)

I'm not asking you to assume. I'm asking you to answer from your point of view: which do you prefer?

I will be back to read this after the game.

MissWrite:



I'm not asking you to assume. I'm asking you to answer from your point of view: which do you prefer?

I will be back to read this after the game.

Wait, are you talking about the Arsenal Vs Everton match? Are you sure you are a lady? I was thinking you would say BBNaija or Zeeworld,

MensCabal:


I don't think assumptions will get us anywhere, but

It's the hypocrisy of patriarchal culture again; and this view (that women are naturally inclined to be lesbians) is just as skewed as believing men are biological inclined to be promiscuous while women are monogamous in nature.

Lets work on what you said.

1. Women are not inclined to be lesbians naturally, no single law assumes that insuinates that or states that. Naturally, men are believed to be hardened, strong and vibrant. So seeing two men kissing will likely make them look weaker than men, and that is why we call them women because the only other gender that looks like a man and is weaker than man is a woman. That doesn't mean we all like women kissing...

It sounds to me like you're agreeing to the fact that woman aren't all naturally lesbians....is that correct? And I didn't say "all men" are turned on by girl on girl action, like you're now claiming (I try to be careful about that). I said "most men". And the reason I say most men is not that I have personally conducted a poll; I am only considering its relevance in popular culture. With the way it is portrayed on television, for instance, you can suppose that art either imitates life, or art influences life (life imitates art). Sometimes, people are inclined to like what is "expected".

2. On the thought that men are biologically incline to be promiscuous while women are monogamous in nature. I don't think you read a lot of biology in school if not you would have known that, that is how things are. You don't even need to read biology, but simply watch National Geography. When lions form a pride there is one big male lion known as the Alpha male that gets to mate with all the females in the pride (even though they are 10) and the females only mate with just him. That is promiscuity and monogamy in nature for you. The females would only mate with multiple lions so that during invasions their cubs wouldn't be killed by rival lions as many lions will think they are the father of the cub.

. You might think that my problem is that I didn't read enough biology text books in school; but I think that your problem is that you stopped reading biology texts in school. You should try to keep yourself up to date with discoveries that are taking place in our dynamic world; most of those books are obsolete. If you see a book that still supposes Pluto is a planet, throw it in the trash. Sexual selection theory was largely dependent on the assumption that the sexual behaviour amongst animals should mimic the behaviour amongst human beings: Promiscuous male versus coy female. The economic principles of the "expensive" egg versus the "cheap" sperm was a later corroboration. And yet the lioness (which you cite) has been observed to mate 100 times a day with different partners. in fact, promiscuity has been observed amongst females of several animal species.

But look! see what you have said in the bolded words. Even though I don't quite understand the reason you have cited, it seems like you are acknowledging the lioness' propensity to mate indiscriminately.

3. Pop culture has made everything all about being plastic and fake and that is why some men easily accept women as lesbians and that is why more women are more inclined to be lesbians (feminists especially). For example, anal sex is a waste of time but many ladies claim to prefer it for no concrete reason. This is because pop culture has made them believe that anal sex makes them more of who they are, just as women have been conditioned to believe that marriage is their greatest achievement..

Lol! . popular culture is still culture; I'm not asking where the values come from, I'm only stating what seems prevalent. Maybe you're right about "feminists especially" but have you conducted a research? Or are you simply doing what you've (only a little while ago) criticized me for? Yes, like earlier stated, I can see how people can be influenced by what they see, and therefore tend towards what is "expected"; but I really cannot say much about "many women preferring anal" I cannot even imagine it for myself.

And since society (men, patriarchy) condones lesbianism and not ma-man gay sex, it's become bolder in public spaces (the same way that male promiscuity has become bold) . And now they want to say that all women are biologically disposed to be gay? I don't think so. There are gay women and straight women; just like there are gay men and straight men.

1. If by society you refer to religious beliefs then understand that it doesn't condone any of it, lesbianism or man-man gay sex. If you refer to people's personal opinions and pop culture then you are correct and that is because men don't see each other as partners (using lions), but rivals, friends and nothing more, while women (using lionesses) are more likely to bond, which may likely goes into lesbianism and since it arouses men then there is no need to stop it. We (men) don't accept it because it's not wrong, we accept it because it arouses our perverted minds.

When I say "society", I'm referring to prevalent culture. The current way we live and what we allow in the secular world. It's ever changing. There was a time the secular world reflected more religious nuances than it does now. But now people don't really consult religious books for guidance; they consult them to look for justifications for their actions. That's the reason for all the hypocrisy and inconsistency.

At bolded, I said this earlier; do you not like the way I phrased it?

2. There is no such thing as gay women or gay men. This is where pop culture comes in again, the same culture that made women believe that it's all about getting the ring (If you watch WAGS you will understand)

I must disagree with you on this one, and please let me. There are gay people. It's not a myth. There are actually people in this world who have sex with partners who are of the same sex as they are. Don't tell anyone.

MensCabal:


Wait, are you talking about the Arsenal Vs Everton match? Are you sure you are a lady? I was thinking you would say BBNaija or Zeeworld,

I'm trying not to overthink the matter and simply go by my genitals.

Please stop. This topic is silly. Why do some men believe that all women are sexually attracted to women to some degree? How would you feel if women went around saying that all men have some iota of gayness in them? Stupid thread.

MissWrite:



I'm trying not to overthink the matter and simply go by my genitals.

Dimples129:

. Yes na.

MissWrite:



. Yes na.

See control

MissWrite:



Lol, No, sweetie, you aren't off point. Yes we are talking about 3-somes. I made the sweeping assumption that most heterosexual men are more comfortable with FFM than FMM. And that's because, from my interaction with guys, I've found that most guys are not comfortable with having another guy's parts exposed anywhere around them. But most don't mind having a double portion of female parts play with instead. A man in an FFM situation pays attention to two women, so there's a lot to do.

The appeal, sometimes, for FMM is debasing the girl. Like you said, there might not be any guy on guy action (especially if the guy doesn't have any homosexual inclinations); but some guys get their kicks out of treating a girl like trash. So the whole double-dicking, or stuffing all her cavities at the same time works for them. Sometimes, though, FMM might be the girl's request and the guys might just be two people who don't want to pass up an opportunity.

So there, I explained the assumptions that led to that claim. But nevertheless, a poll would still be useful. What are your persuasions? FFM or FMM? And why?

Sorry for the late response dear

First of all, yeeeeeeeee arsenal won. miki provided three assist

Back to the topic,
I don't really think the FMM is a common phenomenon, partly because it requires a lot of effort from the lady and partly because most men are not totally comfortable with such arrangements. I think the ffm is more common amongst the sex freaks because the ladies involved can sexually satisfy each other, unlike in most FMM combo where majority of the satisfaction is coming from the lady alone.

Nonetheless, the whole combo doesn't equate to relationships or true affection of any kind and more importantly it is mostly common amongst sex freaks. it is mostly just sexual fantasies. So I personally don't see it relating to the topic.

greiboy:
Sorry for the late response dear

First of all, yeeeeeeeee arsenal won. miki provided three assist

Back to the topic,
I don't really think the FMM is a common phenomenon, partly because it requires a lot of effort from the lady and partly because most men are totally comfortable with such arrangements. I think the ffm is more common amongst the sex freaks because the ladies involved can sexually satisfy each other, unlike in most Femme combo where majority of the satisfaction is coming from the lady alone.

Nonetheless, the whole combo doesn't equate to relationships or true affection of any kind and more importantly it is mostly common amongst sex freaks. it is mostly just sexual fantasies. So I personally don't see it relating to the topic.

Yaaaay Arsenal!!! Let's see what the future holds for us with miki and auba.....and Ozil. Btw, Ramsey's got his first hat trick.

Nice perspective; makes sense.

No, it doesn't equate to happiness, that's not been in doubt.

MissWrite:


Yaaaay Arsenal!!! Let's see what the future holds for us with miki and auba.....and Ozil. Btw, Ramsey's got his first hat trick.

Nice perspective; makes sense.

No, it doesn't equate to happiness, that's not been in doubt.

Sure, let us be cautiously optimistic about arsenal performance for the rest of the season

I made some typo in my previous post which may affect the meaning. I have made corrections. Hope you still think it makes sense

greiboy:
Sure, let us be cautiously optimistic about arsenal performance for the rest of the season

I made some typo in my previous post which may affect the meaning. I have made corrections. Hope you still think it makes sense

Lol, Yeah, I caught it. I took it for granted that you meant "not comfortable". So yes, I stand by it: sense-making post.

MissWrite:


Lol, Yeah, I caught it. I took it for granted that you meant "not comfortable". So yes, I stand by it: sense-making post.

ok, I am still waiting for your next story. I don't really read fictional books or stories but I promise to read yours.

greiboy:
ok, I am still waiting for your next story. I don't really read fictional books or stories but I promise to read yours.

Awwww.....thank you.

Tallesty1:
Lols. Certain things are simply not worth arguing. This is one of them, I chirped in just to correct her assertion that some women are absolutely straight. It is unproven yet, I didn't want to tell her my own opinion because seeing the way she was going on about men, bais, society etc, it was obvious that she won't buy it so I gave her a link to the outcome of a study carried out in a reputable university by experts and she was still talking about men being bias. Like seriously? Did I state anywhere that only men carried out the research? Did she even bother to find out how the study was carried out? That wasn't important. The problem is the society.

The difference between a straight woman and a lesbian is just a few bottles of alcohol. #fact.

A straight woman's reaction to the touches of a lesbian is a quite different from a straight man's reaction to the touches of a gay. It disgusts us.

Women touch one another anyhow, men don't. We are different. Talking about three some, most times when a man is having two ladies, the ladies play with each other even though they're straight but it's not same with men.

She is free to call a shovel a spade but a shovel is a shovel.

Arguing about things like this is like you running round circles. Using research results to prove your points too is a waste of time. I stand by my point - there are more bisexual women than gay men. Although, there are more gay men than gay women. The bulk of the women with the homosexuality streak are bisexuals. It's just social conditioning that makes most of them silent the urges.

It all boils down to our NIGERIAN mentality and how the society view things this is just the basics of MORAL PHILOSOPY what does society accept to be the norm what does it not accept? doesn't matter if its right or wrong but does the society accept it?

Now the op point was base on what he has noticed i have also noticed it to, females can hold hands, kiss each other on the cheek and what not but seeing a guy doing the same stuff would be considered as Gay! a guy kissing another guy on the cheek what do you call that? being affectionate? or being gay?

Ladyhippolyta88:
This senseless die hard misogynist is back.

Haba! its in a contex na

Deicide:
Haba! its in a contex na

What context check his signature and his annoying posts.

Ladyhippolyta88:
This senseless die hard misogynist is back.

You have been reported. Enjoy your ban.

imitateMe:
You have been reported. Enjoy your ban.

Where you see am?

MissWrite:


I don't believe that all men are promiscuous. But those who are promiscuous are naturally so.

I disagree with dis statement o.... They are promiscuous by choice and not bkos its a natural sontin.... My opinion though

EOOJ:


I disagree with dis statement o.... They are promiscuous by choice and not bkos its a natural sontin.... My opinion though

Yes. I think that I might defer to this.

In any case, those two statements (in that post you quoted) can't both be true, can they? It wasn't thought out. Maybe everyone is biologically built for promiscuity to begin with; but the expression of it is regulated by morality? I'm contemplating this because we all have the ability to be sexually attracted to an unlimited number of partners. The brain and sexual organs don't become unresponsive to the next person after being mated with one partner, so the decision to be monogamous is not a reflection of our biology; it's rather a reflection of our morality and cultural values. So this makes the expression or suppression of promiscuity a conscious choice. There are lower animals that mate for life, though (beavers, swans, etc....if that concept hasn't been disproven); I don't think they are regulated by morality. Maybe there is something distinct that happens while they mate which discourages the possibility of a future pairing with a different mate? Like the studies with oxytocin and its effect on sexual fidelity? What do you think?