Well, if we have to delve into it, we will establish that at no point did he denounce his faith as a Catholic or was he disassociated from the Catholic Church. At the end of his life, he was given a Catholic burial by Catholics. That says a lot, particularly in his case. Calling him a Gnostic is a hole up of the truth.

Rehab WAS referred to as a prostitute (in reference to her old lifestyle) not that she continued as one.

I didn't say that we should not disassociate people from their past but their inner selves. Your inner self is your faith, your conviction, your internal mind.

Apostle Paul said that some Christians WERE homosexuals but it does not mean that they continued to be. In your church, your pastors continue with being called ex-lecturers or ex-bankers. One WAS a lecturer and the other WAS banker. If you have to write their history, that part of their lives will not be erased.

salvation101:
ur "was" in the case of Hitler captures his entire life as the guy is no more. U couldn't av used "is". U said he was a staunch catholic, u even went ahead to say we shouldn't dissociate ppl from their past, in the same vein, U were also a catholic. Should we also not dissociate you from catholicism?

removetheturban:
Well, if we have to delve into it, we will establish that at no point did he denounce his faith as a Catholic or was he disassociated from the Catholic Church. At the end of his life, he was given a Catholic burial by Catholics. That says a lot, particularly in his case. Calling him a Gnostic is a hole up of the truth.

Rehab WAS referred to as a prostitute (in reference to her old lifestyle) not that she continued as one.

I didn't say that we should not disassociate people from their past but their inner selves. Your inner self is your faith, your conviction, your internal mind.

Apostle Paul said that some Christians WERE homosexuals but it does not mean that they continued to be. In your church, your pastors continue with being called ex-lecturers or ex-bankers. One WAS a lecturer and the other WAS banker. If you have to write their history, that part of their lives will not be erased.

u still aren't ready to be honest. U said Hitler was a staunch catholic, below is wat Wikipedia has to say about his religious belief. Isn't an agnostic someone in between being religious and being an atheist?

U are now playing with the word "was".. So lets say in a hundred years to come, can someone refer to you that "removetheturban was a staunch catholic"?

Let me break this down to you. There is a word called denouncement and another one called disassociation or dissociation which can be used by either side. Neither of that happened in this case and the end justified the means. How was his end? He was not buried by Atheists, was he?

I WAS an ardent student. I WAS a Catholic. Rehab WAS a prostitute (would you question the Bible about that as well?). Let us talk about events of thousands of years, maybe hundred years might sound too minimal. Paul WAS a persecutor of the holy ones. Matthew WAS a Tax collector. Rehab WAS a prostitute. Would you consider those accounts as being dishonest?

If Wikipedia is what literates go by, then, what is the value of education? Everyone should sit home and read Wikipedia. Why pay school fees?

salvation101:
u still aren't ready to be honest. U said Hitler was a staunch catholic, below is wat Wikipedia has to say about his religious belief. Isn't an agnostic someone in between being religious and being an atheist?

U are now playing with the word "was".. So lets say in a hundred years to come, can someone refer to you that "removetheturban was a staunch catholic"?

removetheturban:
Let me break this down to you. There is a word called denouncement and another one called disassociation or dissociation which can be used by either side. Neither of that happened in this case and the end justified the means. How was his end? He was not buried by Atheists, was he?

I WAS an ardent student. I WAS a Catholic. Rehab WAS a prostitute (would you question the Bible about that as well?). Let us talk about events of thousands of years, maybe hundred years might sound too minimal. Paul WAS a persecutor of the holy ones. Matthew WAS a Tax collector. Rehab WAS a prostitute. Would you consider those accounts as being dishonest?

If Wikipedia is what literates go by, then, what is the value of education? Everyone should sit home and read Wikipedia. Why pay school fees?

that u still choose to argue this issue shows how dishonest you are. You are arguing blind now and i guess you don't know it. Same way you end up saying biblical verses are spurious insertions is same way u are trying to discredit Wikipedia. So if it doesn't come from your society it is false? Wikipedia is no source for information cos it doesn't agree with all you have known?
Why don't you provide your source of information that told you Hitler was buried a catholic as opposed to his body was burnt by the soviet.. Its pathetic how you spread misinformation.

Like I told you, he was who he was and it is what it is. I give you the opportunity to research and update yourself on this. It is not a relevant issue to me, though. You can do yourself the remaining favour.
I am also going to pretend oblivious to the way you normalize attacks on the JW. Your stance is very clear.
And, if you still argue about the insertion of spurious verses then you got a long way to go.

salvation101:
that u still choose to argue this issue shows how dishonest you are. You are arguing blind now and i guess you don't know it. Same way you end up saying biblical verses are spurious insertions is same way u are trying to discredit Wikipedia. So if it doesn't come from your society it is false? Wikipedia is no source for information cos it doesn't agree with all you have known?
Why don't you provide your source of information that told you Hitler was buried a catholic as opposed to his body was burnt by the soviet.. Its pathetic how you spread misinformation.

removetheturban:
Like I told you, he was who he was and it is what it is. I give you the opportunity to research and update yourself on this. It is not a relevant issue to me, though. You can do yourself the remaining favour.
I am also going to pretend oblivious to the way you normalize attacks on the JW. Your stance is very clear.
And, if you still argue about the insertion of spurious verses then you got a long way to go.

a just man would av retracted the misinformation but u still try to defend ur obvious lies.. Not everyone is lazy to swallow up wat u say hook line and sinker, some of us follow up. I didn't come here to support catholic but to clear ur misinformation. I av had argument with catholics on this forum too and some jw like frosbel has been on the forefront fighting against pentecostals for several years now i hope u r aware of dat. I didn't come attacking ur religion but to clear ur misinformation

removetheturban:
Like I told you, he was who he was and it is what it is. I give you the opportunity to research and update yourself on this. It is not a relevant issue to me, though. You can do yourself the remaining favour.
I am also going to pretend oblivious to the way you normalize attacks on the JW. Your stance is very clear.
And, if you still argue about the insertion of spurious verses then you got a long way to go.

Don't be offended, but i don't think you are a witness. Your Governing Body in Warwick has released articles in the past that talks about arguing with people online. You seem to be doing the exact opposite.

What information do you want to clear? That Hitler WAS not a Catholic or Judas was not an Apostle? The lines are crooked that I get confused myself what we both are groaning about. This is not a case to dabble. It is just simple historical facts that are not, in fact, relevant to me. If you know how he died and how he was buried, good! If you were a Catholic, it would be easier to talk about this because they know better.

If someone is going against anyone, I do not give a green pass to that. I am not in support of any attacks on an organization. Our job is to preach the good news and leave judgment for Jehovah. In his due time, he will do the sifting and judging. If there is a doctrine that I find unhealthful to the Bible's teachings, I can bring attention to that and cite my biblical stance in respect to it. Though sometimes the conversation can expand and the only way you can explain your point is to make citations of events in history. In that way, some people might feel trampled upon. Nonetheless, we endeavor to streamline our ministry in a clear and precise way and not to offend anyone by our utterances or statements but to use the scriptures as an expository tool.

salvation101:
a just man would av retracted the misinformation but u still try to defend ur obvious lies.. Not everyone is lazy to swallow up wat u say hook line and sinker, some of us follow up. I didn't come here to support catholic but to clear ur misinformation. I av had argument with catholics on this forum too and some jw like frosbel has been on the forefront fighting against pentecostals for several years now i hope u r aware of dat. I didn't come attacking ur religion but to clear ur misinformation

Thank you for reading our articles. And, thank you for coming online to announce it.

Nelson21:


Don't be offended, but i don't think you are a witness. Your Governing Body in Warwick has released articles in the past that talks about arguing with people online. You seem to be doing the exact opposite.

removetheturban:
What information do you want to clear? That Hitler WAS not a Catholic or Judas was not an Apostle? The lines are crooked that I get confused myself what we both are groaning about. This is not a case to dabble. It is just simple historical facts that are not, in fact, relevant to me. If you know how he died and how he was buried, good! If you were a Catholic, it would be easier to talk about this because they know better.

If someone is going against anyone, I do not give a green pass to that. I am not in support of any attacks on an organization. Our job is to preach the good news and leave judgment for Jehovah. In his due time, he will do the sifting and judging. If there is a doctrine that I find unhealthful to the Bible's teachings, I can bring attention to that and cite my biblical stance in respect to it. Though sometimes the conversation can expand and the only way you can explain your point is to make citations of events in history. In that way, some people might feel trampled upon. Nonetheless, we endeavor to streamline our ministry in a clear and precise way and not to offend anyone by our utterances or statements but to use the scriptures as an expository tool.

lets start by you pointing us to a reliable source where you got the information that Hitler was buried a catholic according to your assertion.

removetheturban:
Thank you for reading our articles. And, thank you for coming online to announce it.

You are welcome. Like i said, you are not a witness. True servants of Jehovah Don't debate issues online.They can discuss with interested ones online in a private setting ,yes. But they don't argue or debate with individuals who are not interested at all. Stop posing as one.

Do you believe that he was a Catholic in the first place? Did he ever denounce his faith?

salvation101:
lets start by you pointing us to a reliable source where you got the information that Hitler was buried a catholic according to your assertion.

I hear you. Thanks

Nelson21:


You are welcome. Like i said, you are not a witness. True servants of Jehovah Don't debate issues online.They can discuss with interested ones online in a private setting ,yes. But they don't argue or debate with individuals who are not interested at all. Stop posing as one.

removetheturban:
Do you believe that he was a Catholic in the first place? Did he ever denounce his faith?

you are asking me if he was a catholic wen i mentioned it earlier. What constitutes denial of faith at least speaking in from ur perspective.

like I said, the only religion associated with Hitler remains the obvious one. I am not saying that he acted on the bidding of the Catholic Church, don't get me wrong. Everyone is accountable for his own actions. With that in mind, one's social values and upbringing also has a huge effect on his life. According to Mein Kampf, Hitler was quoted as saying "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." and What we have to fight for . . . is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator."
I do not think that a Gnostic would make such utterances.

As to how he died, and what happened thereafter, you can decide for yourself. The more you dig, the better for you. If you believe that the Russians took him away, fine!

I will leave this case at this point because it is irrelevant to me now. I will rather invest my time in things that are religiously fruitful. Hitler should be a lesson in the education/history section.

salvation101:
you are asking me if he was a catholic wen i mentioned it earlier. What constitutes denial of faith at least speaking in from ur perspective.

removetheturban:
like I said, the only religion associated with Hitler remains the obvious one. I am not saying that he acted on the bidding of the Catholic Church, don't get me wrong. Everyone is accountable for his own actions. With that in mind, one's social values and upbringing also has a huge effect on his life. According to Mein Kampf, Hitler was quoted as saying "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." and What we have to fight for . . . is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator."
I do not think that a Gnostic would make such utterances.

As to how he died, and what happened thereafter, you can decide for yourself. The more you dig, the better for you. If you believe that the Russians took him away, fine!

I will leave this case at this point because it is irrelevant to me now. I will rather invest my time in things that are religiously fruitful. Hitler should be a lesson in the education/history section.

U just mentioned a quote where he talked about a creator but refused to recognize that he was a politician and German at that time was a very influential Christian nation. Martin Luther was a German hope u know, the protestanism started from Germany. Wev see how our politicians here too try to please people of different religion just to get their support.
Here are some other of his posts. Would you also consider dat to come from a Christian or a catholic?

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

21st October, 1941, midday

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, gays? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday

"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday

"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't.

It is still a delusion to think Hitler's action has any consonance with the Christian faith. Even if you don't know anything about Hitler you know about the holocaust and the major targets were the jews. Christians hold the Jewish nation in very high esteem cos our God has a covenant with that nation and a major part of our scripture was inspired by God tru jews...

Alright!

salvation101:
U just mentioned a quote where he talked about a creator but refused to recognize that he was a politician and German at that time was a very influential Christian nation. Martin Luther was a German hope u know, the protestanism started from Germany. Wev see how our politicians here too try to please people of different religion just to get their support.
Here are some other of his posts. Would you also consider dat to come from a Christian or a catholic?

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

21st October, 1941, midday

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, gays? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday

"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday

"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't.

It is still a delusion to think Hitler's action has any consonance with the Christian faith. Even if you don't know anything about Hitler you know about the holocaust and the major targets were the jews. Christians hold the Jewish nation in very high esteem cos our God has a covenant with that nation and a major part of our scripture was inspired by God tru jews...

removetheturban:
How is mother Theresa my business? He did not have problems with ALL Catholics. He disagreed only with the few Catholic leaders who opposed him, NOT ALL. He never denounced his faith as a Catholic. He remained a Catholic until his death. I read all the painting and coloring you guys do online and I just giggle. The truth is indelible. I know how much you guys want to erase him from your good book and distance him from your religion. But we know where to find the historical records. You cannot erase even if you like edit all the Wikipedia, that is for people who are too lazy to study the main gigs. If I never told you that Catholics buried him you would have hidden that part from us. There are more to tell, but no need to wash your dirty boxers in the public. We got more important things to do. I am shocked that you are the same Hairyrapunzel grasping on to your last straw of life. Listen, Hitler is just a glass of water to a camel here. You don't know anything yet. If we begin to reel out details you will close this account. But that would be petty. Is that craftiness? How is telling a historical fact called craftiness? Show me a record of the Pope's condemnation of Hitler's egregious carnage. Would you love to see his condemnation of the attacks on Muslims? quarreled with catholic priests?? OMG, what level of education did this literate attain? Well, now you know that he was a very bad man. Ludicrous! You can say this because Hitler is dead. If he remained alive would you have said this? We know what can be said about the dead. Can you give us your take on England or the Queen? Good for her and Y'all.
I hear you. I didn't generalize. I focused on you as a person, not the organization but you wanted to drag it and you are expanding the entire brouhaha. Bro, you have been on a 3-year unhinged rampage and I called you out for only 2 days and you are already throwing the black ball at me. If you feel uncomfortable reading your dirty secrets online, can you look in the mirror?

You have posted hundreds of nonsense about the JW and you feel justified about it. You do not sober or think before acting. Like I told you if you have scores to settle, bring it forth. JW do not come here to condemn religious organizations, we come to have Christian-like conversations. I am not after winning a prize here. We share and we learn.

And, lol you cannot hush me. I am not of that kidney to be dragged.

How is Hitler my business? Judgemental prick.
Don't you shun former members? Who appointed your governing body as the sole mouth piece of God? Who told you the governing body are faithful and discrete slave? It's the governing body right? An association of 8 old men in new York.

Dumb follower of a dumb religion. I showed you a good person associated with Catholic church and you have refused to acknowledge a good person in that church because from birth you have been told that only bad people are in Catholic church and their priests only support evil acts by your governing body.

You think I am a dumb person like you? Who wont reason before believing any rubbish uttered by some old men in new York who tell you that believing only the things they tells is the right thing? You are a joke just like the cult you belong to.

How is mother Theresa my business?

So now its sinking in that they have good people in Catholic church too.

He did not have problems with ALL Catholics. He disagreed only with the few Catholic leaders who opposed him, NOT ALL.

At least there were Catholic leaders who opposed him. Did the others support him? I don't think you have an answer. Did any Catholic leader come out openly to support Hitler? No. But Rutherford lauded Hitler's actions.
Well it is expected for you to think that since all catholics did not have problem with Hitler then the Catholic church is bad. I don't blame you cos it's what you have been fed since you were a baby.

He never denounced his faith as a Catholic. He remained a Catholic until his death.

Hitler chose not to denounce his faith and claimed to be a Catholic till he died is Hitler's business. Priests are not judges. Because elders pass judgement on other human beings in your religion doesn't mean other religions will subscribe to the same thing you do.

I read all the painting and coloring you guys do online and I just giggle. The truth is indelible. I know how much you guys want to erase him from your good book and distance him from your religion.

Who is erasing him from any religion? Are you high? Its you that has been making it look like the Catholic church is bad because Hitler was a Catholic. I pointed out to you that mother Theresa was also a Catholic then you started speaking gibberish. Your reasoning that once a member of a religion is bad then the whole religion is bad is false.
Keep talking about hitler don't forget those your members that are murderers, thieves, rapists, pedophilles and abusers whom watchtower harbours making some elders, reinstating the disfellowshipped ones and even giving perpetuators privileges? It shows watchtower is bad and corrupt.

But we know where to find the historical records

Just like the way we found historical records of Rutherford supporting Hitler and 1975 end of world prediction by watchtower

You cannot erase even if you like edit all the Wikipedia, that is for people who are too lazy to study the main gigs.

Lazy Just like you reading only jw.org or only watchtower approved materials.
BTW who wants to erase Hitler being a Catholic? You must be delusional. We can't erase Rutherford supporting Hitler's atrocities either deal with it. Your organization that is good has caused more deaths of jws than Hitler ever did.

If I never told you that Catholics buried him you would have hidden that part from us. There are more to tell, but no need to wash your dirty boxers in the public. We got more important things to do.

What is there if catholics buried Hitler? Your religion that is a safe haven for murderers, rapists, pedophilles, psychopaths, molesters, perverts etc nko? Your delusion is something else
At least Catholic church forgave Hitler just like the way your organization forgives rapists, pedophilles, murderers without reporting them to the police.

I am shocked that you are the same Hairyrapunzel grasping on to your last straw of life

You make me laugh. Which one is last straw again?

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Listen, Hitler is just a glass of water to a camel here. You don't know anything yet. If we begin to reel out details you will close this account. But that would be petty.

Just like the way we will reel out details of your religion. Mother Theresa was a great humanitarian, a very good person and most importantly a Catholic so I am not bothered

Is that craftiness? How is telling a historical fact called craftiness? Show me a record of the Pope's condemnation of Hitler's egregious carnage. Would you love to see his condemnation of the attacks on Muslims? quarreled with catholic priests??

How is telling people the truth about your religion an attack on your religion?
The pope has right to condemn attack on any specific group. The pope even condemned Russian ban on jws. Rutherford who was leader of jws applauded Hitler for killing jews so what's the big deal? Tony morris says he will be beside Jesus in Armageddon slaughtering non jws too. your leaders derive joy in the killing of people it fuels their end of the world is near campaign.

OMG, what level of education did this literate attain? Well, now you know that he was a very bad man. Ludicrous! You can say this because Hitler is dead.

Hitler had the desire to wipe out a particular ethnic group and your beloved Rutherford supported him. Your organisation cant wait for your jehovah to wipe out all non jws. Watchtower even share the same ideology with Hitler. You people want to wipe out a certain group
Hitler's business doesn't concern me. He is dead already except in your head where you feel he will resurrect and accept governing body teaching so he can live with you petting pandas in your imaginary paradise earth.

if he remained alive would you have said this? We know what can be said about the dead. Can you give us your take on England or the Queen? Good for her and Y'all.

Now I see your desperation is real. Hitler is dead already. I can't imagine what will happen when that thing can't happen in the first place. No wonder you are delusional.

I hear you. I didn't generalize. I focused on you as a person, not the organization but you wanted to drag it and you are expanding the entire brouhaha.

You said Catholic church is bad because Hitler was buried by the Catholic church. Don't change what you said

Bro, you have been on a 3-year unhinged rampage and I called you out for only 2 days and you are already throwing the black ball at me. If you feel uncomfortable reading your dirty secrets online, can you look in the mirror?

Your organization has been on a 140 year rampage against the Catholic church. Your organization has gold medal in this particular game

You have posted hundreds of nonsense about the JW and you feel justified about it.

Your doctrines are nonsense den.

You do not sober or think before acting. Like I told you if you have scores to settle, bring it forth. JW do not come here to condemn religious organizations, we come to have Christian-like conversations. I am not after winning a prize here. We share and we learn.

There are no scores to settle. Your organization thrives on propaganda and delusion. You just condemned Catholic church

And, lol you cannot hush me. I am not of that kidney to be dragged

Who is dragging you and hushing you? It's the other way round o. Lol. You can't teach us toxic and force us to swallow without asking questions.

removetheturban:
like I said, the only religion associated with Hitler remains the obvious one. I am not saying that he acted on the bidding of the Catholic Church, don't get me wrong. Everyone is accountable for his own actions. With that in mind, one's social values and upbringing also has a huge effect on his life. According to Mein Kampf, Hitler was quoted as saying "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." and What we have to fight for . . . is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator."
I do not think that a Gnostic would make such utterances.

As to how he died, and what happened thereafter, you can decide for yourself. The more you dig, the better for you. If you believe that the Russians took him away, fine!

I will leave this case at this point because it is irrelevant to me now. I will rather invest my time in things that are religiously fruitful. Hitler should be a lesson in the education/history section.

So you don dey change mouth abi? You said Hitler was born Catholic and buried Catholic that means the Catholic church is bad and supports evil. I just dey laff.

Do not twist my words. I never told you that Catholicism is bad. I called YOU out as a person. I never said that you were ordered to blaspheme the JW by Catholics. I never said that Hitler received an injunction from the Catholics to commit whatever. I said that he was Catholic and died as one. Do not twist my words. I made it clear that one makes his personal choices regardless of the organization that he belongs and he is accountable for his actions, not the Organisation. You were pointing out JW and quoting their speeches and I referenced Hitler. I have said that I am not anti-Catholic because about 70% of my family members are also Catholics and I have no jurisdiction to render judgment on anyone but to speak the truth from the Bible.

I do not have a problem with your unhinged smear campaign but you crossed the line by trying to hush me, the JW here or anyone who says anything positive about the JW, or tries to explain his belief. You role out a dusty old scroll of garbage to fill up a page and I do not know what you hope to gain by doing that, scare someone? That does not move me. Like I told you, I am of a different kidney and I do not fear what you bring to the table. I have the capacity to explain myself or the prerogative to walk away when the convo gets intense. I did not come here to win a point but have a decent conversation. If you are going to come here to insult and drag me, I will not give you that privilege.

You said that we are a sect and I asked for a side by side comparison with your own doctrines and using the Bible as a barometer. I asked you a few questions about your doctrine but you kept expanding the issue to the point that you had to varnish from Nairaland. I did not come here to discuss Hitler or Catholicism. I would not waste much of my time on that because it sounds judgmental to me and that is not how I want to sound. It is a closed case for me and if you are interested in having a sane and relevant conversation with me, I'm in. For childish insults and drags, I'm out!

Hairyrapunzel:

So you don dey change mouth abi? You said Hitler was born Catholic and buried Catholic that means the Catholic church is bad and supports evil. I just dey laff.

I do not know you, Sir! When did I invite you to a classroom to teach you anything? We do not force anything down your throat, Sir. I know where your frustration begins. You should refer your questions to the people teaching you, not me. You have been asking questions for 3 years. Good job!

Hairyrapunzel:

Who is dragging you and hushing you? It's the other way round o. Lol. You can't teach us toxic and force us to swallow without asking questions.

removetheturban:
I do not know you, Sir! When did I invite you to a classroom to teach you anything? We do not force anything down your throat, Sir. I know where your frustration begins. You should refer your questions to the people teaching you, not me. You have been asking questions for 3 years. Good job!

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For 3 years now your cult members have been trying to defend the evil and inhumane activities of your cult by blaming it all on the bible.
I don't ask questions about the things I already know. I know you shun former members, I know your blood transfusion ban has caused more deaths of jws than Hitler ever did, I know your organization doesn't report rapists and pedophilles to police because they don't want to bring reproach on their jehovas name, I know your Leaders discourage members from getting higher education and I know your organization told you that you the only way you will enter the new system is by associating with them.
I know all your doctrines bro.

removetheturban:
Do not twist my words. I never told you that Catholicism is bad. I called YOU out as a person. I never said that you were ordered to blaspheme the JW by Catholics. I never said that Hitler received an injunction from the Catholics to commit whatever. I said that he was Catholic and died as one. Do not twist my words. I made it clear that one makes his personal choices regardless of the organization that he belongs and he is accountable for his actions, not the Organisation. You were pointing out JW and quoting their speeches and I referenced Hitler. I have said that I am not anti-Catholic because about 70% of my family members are also Catholics and I have no jurisdiction to render judgment on anyone but to speak the truth from the Bible.

I do not have a problem with your unhinged smear campaign but you crossed the line by trying to hush me, the JW here or anyone who says anything positive about the JW, or tries to explain his belief. You role out a dusty old scroll of garbage to fill up a page and I do not know what you hope to gain by doing that, scare someone? That does not move me. Like I told you, I am of a different kidney and I do not fear what you bring to the table. I have the capacity to explain myself or the prerogative to walk away when the convo gets intense. I did not come here to win a point but have a decent conversation. If you are going to come here to insult and drag me, I will not give you that privilege.

You said that we are a sect and I asked for a side by side comparison with your own doctrines and using the Bible as a barometer. I asked you a few questions about your doctrine but you kept expanding the issue to the point that you had to varnish from Nairaland. I did not come here to discuss Hitler or Catholicism. I would not waste much of my time on that because it sounds judgmental to me and that is not how I want to sound. It is a closed case for me and if you are interested in having a sane and relevant conversation with me, I'm in. For childish insults and drags, I'm out!

You need to define it because you hide behind an anonymous spirit to blaspheme. Man up! You are a Catholic and if you have anything to share, share it using the Bible. Catholics have doctrines that many Christians would need explanations for. Can you tell us, please? Did Hitler(a staunch Catholic) act upon whose direction to massacre the Jews and the Jehovah's Witnesses? Why would you not want the name of Hitler to disappear? He was a Catholic. You keep bringing up our articles of 1920ies and you want Hitler of 1940ies to varnish? Listen! We are tired of copy and paste here. Let originality ride for a moment. You keep avoiding all questions that you are asked but you feel you alone reserve the right to spill dust.

The statement in bold is your statement.
Why would you say Hitler was a staunch Catholic if you don't have any thing up your sleeve?
Why would you mention Hitler being a Catholic if you did not have it in mind to smear the image of the Catholic church?
It was not until I told you that mother Theresa was a Catholic and was a good person and salvation101 brought up Hitler's statement in his last years that was when you decided to change your views on the Catholic church. You knew your whole argument was flawed.

I never mentioned any church. You forced being a Catholic on me and wanted to bring out the faults in Catholic church but never knew you were digging your grave.

You have seen that your accusations against Catholic church as being supporters of Hitler are all false so you decided to change your views.

BTW I am not Catholic. I like them because even in the face of so much persecution from the jws they never say anything evil against your religion.
They don't judge anybody's religious beliefs, perform humanitarian works for people not even in their church which your religion will not even consider.
I don't agree with some of their doctrines just like the way I don't agree with some of yours.

I am not a baby and I am also not stupid. I know when people try to bring down other religions.

So? Is that all?

Hairyrapunzel:

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For 3 years now your cult members have been trying to defend the evil and inhumane activities of your cult by blaming it all on the bible.
I don't ask questions about the things I already know. I know you shun former members, I know your blood transfusion ban has caused more deaths of jws than Hitler ever did, I know your organization doesn't report rapists and pedophilles to police because they don't want to bring reproach on their jehovas name, I know your Leaders discourage members from getting higher education and I know your organization told you that you the only way you will enter the new system is by associating with them.
I know all your doctrines bro.

For sure, you are a grown man with a baby brain. I cannot find a responsible man indulging in such irrationality for 3 straight years. Dumb never gets outdated.

Hairyrapunzel:

You need to define it because you hide behind an anonymous spirit to blaspheme. Man up! You are a Catholic and if you have anything to share, share it using the Bible. Catholics have doctrines that many Christians would need explanations for. Can you tell us, please? Did Hitler(a staunch Catholic) act upon whose direction to massacre the Jews and the Jehovah's Witnesses? Why would you not want the name of Hitler to disappear? He was a Catholic. You keep bringing up our articles of 1920ies and you want Hitler of 1940ies to varnish? Listen! We are tired of copy and paste here. Let originality ride for a moment. You keep avoiding all questions that you are asked but you feel you alone reserve the right to spill dust.

The statement in bold is your statement.
Why would you say Hitler was a staunch Catholic if you don't have any thing up your sleeve?
Why would you mention Hitler being a Catholic if you did not have it in mind to smear the image of the Catholic church?
It was not until I told you that mother Theresa was a Catholic and was a good person and salvation101 brought up Hitler's statement in his last years that was when you decided to change your views on the Catholic church. You knew your whole argument was flawed.

I never mentioned any church. You forced being a Catholic on me and wanted to bring out the faults in Catholic church but never knew you were digging your grave.

You have seen that your accusations against Catholic church as being supporters of Hitler are all false so you decided to change your views.

BTW I am not Catholic. I like them because even in the face of so much persecution from the jws they never say anything evil against your religion.
They don't judge anybody's religious beliefs, perform humanitarian works for people not even in their church which your religion will not even consider.
I don't agree with some of their doctrines just like the way I don't agree with some of yours.

I am not a baby and I am also not stupid. I know when people try to bring down other religions.

You will deny and accept anything to have your views heard. Pathetic and delusional.

Hairyrapunzel:

BTW I am not Catholic.

removetheturban:
You will deny and accept anything to have your views heard. Pathetic and delusional.

Is it by force to claim Catholic church? You want to impose the Catholic church on me just because of the hatred you have towards it. Smh
At least they are better than your organization. They don't shun or kill people due to refusal of blood transfusion, they apologized for wrongdoing as they never claim new light and they perform humanitarian works which watchtower will never do.

I think I love the Catholic church because you have been thought to hate them by your organization.

removetheturban:
For sure, you are a grown man with a baby brain. I cannot find a responsible man indulging in such irrationality for 3 straight years. Dumb never gets outdated.

The same way the dumb you tried to change your position on Catholic church and Hitler.
If we did not know Hitler very well and mother Theresa, that's how you would have deceived us the way you deceive vulnerable people.
You want to cover up your illiterate statement
First you said it's only nollywood depiction of cult that only exists when I told you that wasn't how cults are defined, you quickly discarded your views.

Next you forced being a Catholic on me and tried to associate Hitler with Catholic church to give the church a bad name. You saw that we didn't reason like robots then you changed your opinion saying you never said the church was bad. You are way dumber than I thought.

Now you saying I have been doing this for 3years. I know you feel threatened that someone knows the kind of people you people are. I will not be deterred. When I see a statement I don't agree with I will critic it.
It's called freedom of speech and independent thinking which I know you all lack in your religion.

removetheturban:
So? Is that all?

You are supposed to answer that question robot.

Go to school and get knowledge. Your attempts are too puerile to prove a point to me. You are trying to hard to prove that you are educated. .

Hairyrapunzel:

The same way the dumb you tried to change your position on Catholic church and Hitler.
If we did not know Hitler very well and mother Theresa, that's how you would have deceived us the way you deceive vulnerable people.
You want to cover up your illiterate statement
First you said it's only nollywood depiction of cult that only exists when I told you that wasn't how cults are defined, you quickly discarded your views.

Next you forced being a Catholic on me and tried to associate Hitler with Catholic church to give the church a bad name. You saw that we didn't reason like robots then you changed your opinion saying you never said the church was bad. You are way dumber than I thought.

Now you saying I have been doing this for 3years. I know you feel threatened that someone knows the kind of people you people are. I will not be deterred. When I see a statement I don't agree with I will critic it.
It's called freedom of speech and independent thinking which I know you all lack in your religion.

You have found a narrow escape with that. You are delusional. No one cares about you on Nairaland . Haven't you noticed that people ignore your comments? You are surely having the best trophy from my replies. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Hairyrapunzel:


Is it by force to claim Catholic church? You want to impose the Catholic church on me just because of the hatred you have towards it. Smh
At least they are better than your organization. They don't shun or kill people due to refusal of blood transfusion, they apologized for wrongdoing as they never claim new light and they perform humanitarian works which watchtower will never do.

I think I love the Catholic church because you have been thought to hate them by your organization.

removetheturban:
You have found a narrow escape with that. You are delusional. No one cares about you on Nairaland . Haven't you noticed that people ignore your comments? You are surely having the best trophy from my replies. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Like people reply your own. Your people are afraid to reply me because they believe I am an apostate of which they have been warned by your governing body not to reply or else they would die with non jws in Armageddon. Mtcheww. I am not bothered. Its better when they don't reply.
You are trying too hard to garner credits maybe from your governing body.