Bosdem:

To know if human can obey simple instructions

His commandments.4 it is written in da bible itself:

olabowale:

At least we all agree that there is One God! The hypothesis of 3 godheads in One God is unproveable! Hence any book that contain that idea is the wrong book!

olabowale:

At least we all agree that there is One God! The hypothesis of 3 godheads in One God is unproveable! Hence any book that contain that idea is the wrong book!

obanikoro2:

If I give you a blinding slap on your face what will you feel?
PAIN?

Good answer! Can you then prove to me or someone else that you are feeling PAIN?
Can you show me the PAIN? Can you describe how the PAIN looks like?

NO?
How can you then prove to me that what you feel is PAIN?

My dear olabowale, you are asking us to prove the Trinity the same way I'm asking you to prove PAIN.

Can you see the AIR or WIND? You feel it don't you? Prove to me that what you feel is WIND!

oh! You can see it blow trees and your shirts right?

My dear, that's how the Trinity works in us too!!!

You may not be able to see them, may not even be able to prove them, but it doesnt mean they don't exist and are not working in people's lives.

My dear olabowale, you are asking us to prove the Trinity the same way I'm asking you to prove PAIN.
Can you see the AIR or WIND? You feel it don't you? Prove to me that what you feel is WIND!
oh! You can see it blow trees and your shirts right?
My dear, that's how the Trinity works in us too!!!

olabowale:

@Obanikoro2: It works so well, that the Bible did not mention it. No even on any page! At least pain is written in books discussing sensations/feeling. At least wind/air is written in books discussing energy transfers, eg sound, heat (temperature differences).

@KAG: Proof to me that there is no Mover!

See, I did not say movers, which is what more than 1 will be denoted by! I call my MOVER GOD!

Do you believe there is any mover, or you do not? If you do not, don't just through a statement around. Please present your argument.

olabowale:

@KAG: You have not reasonable explanation for anything, it shows!

You truly have no answer, by your evasiveness!

I want to use you as evidence of God, therefore I want you to negate your own existence? I Propose that KAG, does not Exist! Provide prove(s) for or against my hypothesis; Proposal!

Don't just sit there, act on it! You have just met your MATCH, InshaAllah, Mr. Disbeliever in EXISTENCE of any force that acted on that matter/particle at the very initial time, before everything else began to happen and continues, till this day!

When will the activities going to stop; sometime or never?

obanikoro2:

@olabowale and KAG

ah-ah!!!
what happened to the two mighty dragons in the house?
una done tire to fight?
who win?
abeg make una continue una show jare
na entertainment for us.

my take on this is very very simple!!! its just so amazing how we try to confuse ourselves by complicating things so much!!!! LOL

Okay, in order to have absolute freedom, you have to have the OPPORTUNITY  and SPACE to do absolutely anything you want! wheather good or bad! so, in order for God to show that man has absolute freedom, the OPPORTUNITY and SPACE for sin HAD TO be there!!! how can you tell me i am free to do anythign and go anywhere and then have a boundary?!?!?!? then its NOT absolute freedom!!!!

there can ONLY be absolute freedom in the presence of absolute SIN!!!!!!!! the reason for the tree being in the garden was the only way for man to be absolutely free!!! God is so amazing in that if he says he is giving you something, he does so abolutely and wholeheartedly!!! to NOT have the tree in the garden would mean that man NEVER had the space to prove to himself and others that he is truly free!!!!! whatever God had going with adam had to be freely entered into by both parties! as in God could never force himself or his knowledge on adam. it had to be adam freely asking or entering in with God.

What was supposed to happen was that the tree was supposed to always be there but as man CHOSE to not touch it, this meant that the relationship between God and Man was totally free and entered into because they WANTED to and not because fear forced them to!!!!

this is the kind of relationship we ARE to have with God!!! not the stupid and condemned view we have living in fear 24/7!!! people repenting every minute out of fear of not going to hell! LOL

Wake up people and smell the coffee!!!!!! GOD IS LOVE AND PEACE!!!! not the image of a twisted being who wwould purposely put temptaion in our way! NOT TRUEEEEEE!!!!!!!

Somebody should please tell me why God planted that tree at the middle of the garden.

Because I really want to know may be God did it purposefully or not.

Wow! I guess you couldn't make it up - or maybe you could, but we'd be inclined to suspect idiocy even if you did make it up.

In any case, there are several lines of enquiry that can be used to show that I do in fact exist. Where "I" is at the very least a persona represented by the username "KAG".

Well, I'm communicating with you and other internet characters in a way that is empirically testable. That is, not only am I responding to your - and others - questions and posts in constructive sentences that indicate human intelligence, that fact can be verified by anyone who wishes to test it.

Following from that, it soon becomes apparent that even if we decide to try imagining alternatives which are unlikely to be testable, that my existence will still the most parsimonious of the lot.

I'm sure there are other propositions that can be raised, but that's it from me for now.

Hubris stinketh, and it doth cometh before a fall.

What activities? And why should I know?

ah-ah!!!
what happened to the two mighty dragons in the house?
una done tire to fight?
who win?
abeg make una continue una show jare
na entertainment for us.

olabowale:

@KAG; I am amazed that you simply can propose and think that everyone accept that (those people who have seen you, and people like me, who may never see you, physically, that), you exist. That you are a physical material, a matter, a substance, having quantumfied properties!

How do you think I will fall for your mere saying that just based on your KAG identity, which is a staged (Nairaland is a computer board, you know) name?

I have never seen you and I am going to assume that no one on Nairaland have ever seen you! Nobody knows your true identity. For me you are only a voice/writing, but without anything that is testable/verifiable behind it!

The possibility is at the minimum 50% that the responses we read under the KAG identity, is from a computer program/a machine generated responses.

Proofs: The Old American TV series titled 'Charlie's Angels, feauturing Farah Faucett, in the 70s and early 80s, is a good inkling of my hypothesis, rather theory and possible theorem about your none existence! There was a Movie in the 90s called Ferris Beular day off, about high school students playing hoakies from school!

If the rudimented technology at that time of Charlies Angel TV show, could fool a host of American and indeed the world, then Imagine what the technology of today can do! Today, computer had advanced to the level that a man-like machine is being tested and being further refined! Afterall, computer gave Andre Gasperov, the chess world champion a run for his money in a chess match!

If you think I will fall for your gimmick, giving a false, rather weak argument about your existence, just because you identify 'yourself,' by 'I' and a pseudoname, 'KAG,' you have assumed that you are talking to a dummy! I could be everything, but a dummy!

Finally, you have assumed that you are communicating with me, in English language. But this language is a very young language, which has her root from germanic root, and other languages of europe. Now that English is refined, I bet some people with some form of delution or out right denial will claim that English language is a language that has nothing to do with her father(s)/mother(s), indeed the european language! Yet some old languages of the world are already dead (Old Egyptian language long time prior to Moses, and others Babylonian, Byzentin and other) and forgotten and yet some are in some degrees of death! I state this idea for your edification, in the sense that you are using a young knowledge (in this case English Language) to identify and justify your existence, whereas, the languages which English originated from are even denied by some, assumed dead by others, and to some, yet relegated to insignificant, compared to English. But those who have knowledge, will always acknowledge this collective languages as identifiable and at least an oral means of passing informations, within the community of people, in Europe before the now dorminiaring English language.

Yet the English language of England, is almost distinctively different from the Ameicans. Some words are different and even none existing, yet some common words are written differently. Since knowledge is continuous, we have not gotten to the end of discoveries!

So, there will be some new things to learn, always. Hence, KAG, if you are a human being, (50% chance that you are), your knowledge is very limited, even about the time that you live in, presently.

You do not know everything. You and no technology had penetrated so far to the end of space/galxies, milky ways, etc, to get to a possibility to discover the heavens, or disprove their existence. However, if you are not a human being, say you are a machine generated voice, (50% chance that you are), your ability of today, however lifelike you are in structures and performance, especially your claimed ability to respond to others and me, in answers to questions, as you stated above, even in your best effort to immitate human beings, will be primitive to what the future machines can do!

In whatever way you exist, presently, as a human being lacking a good knowledge of your enviroment, except that you read from those who have greater knowledge than you, hence using other people's knowledge and opinions to come to your own, or as the best designed machine, of all times, to date, giving an out put of 100% efficiency, in total,

your limited knowledge has not proven your own human existence, hence in the same knowledge you can not prove that God (The Great Mover) does not exist! Just the same way I do not see you, and you are not a tangible/physical essence to me, and your handiwork is known to a small group of people, you could not disprove the existence of God Whose handwork is known by several Billions of people, presently around the world. Even the Hindus believe that there is a MIGHTY GOD, and He is different from their many gods in their temples and their homes!

As I think about you, I tend to believe that you are a machine, whose programmer is more like Mr. Jerkell!

Whatever that means! I thinketh, it is a computer language, like Cobol or Fortran! Thats all you have mustered all day, on your own without the programmer's on sit!

You Just proved my theorem that you are a machine! You are not capable of independent thought! Creation activites, you inefficient machine!

If I were your builder, I will dismantle you and scrap for parts, especially the softwares for the recycling bin!

@Obanikoro: You are very childlike. I really do not want to say tha you are childish. There are no dragons here. I am a human being, bowing my will, voluntarily to my Creator. Maybe you are proposing that KAG may be a possible gragon, reducing the chances that it is a computer or he (assuming that you a male) is human to 331/3% each?

A lot of irrelevances just to make it appear you have something to say? What a cunt. You've contradicted yourslef so many times that it's hard to know where to begin in that block of crap. I guess I'll start with the most obvious:you've shown that you actually believe I exist and capable of human reason How? You stated: " I state this idea for your edification." I'm hoping you can work out the rest for yourself.

olabowale:

@KAG: That figures.

They did not program you to have human feelings and be able to identify that 33 1/3 % is what I meant, since I was discussing 100/3. I should have known that when I am addressing a Machine, all he reads is th punch cards (Binary informations on thems).

Whatever cunt means here! I have used the contradictions, to confuse the one track mind of the Computer program/Machine!

KAG, I do believe there is a thing I dentified as KAG; possibility is that it is a Machine being fed information, so that the lazy Mr Hyde, can continue his experiment of "Human like responses from a Machine, code KAG"

The edification is for you Mr. handler (Dr Jerkell) of Machine code name KAG! Mr. Handler, you need to refine the programming, because I can see your machine is about to break down!

For the lurkers: you'll notice that he's completely ignored the bulk of my post, and avoided the positive evidence and individual lines of enquiry I've provided to satisfy his foolishness. You'd also notice that he hasn't bothered to provide any such thng about the subject of the initial debate.

olabowale:

@KAG; What I have just done, if you are a human is to deny your existence, the same way that you denied the existence of your Creator, God!

Afterall, you were once a none existing thing (before your parents got together in a conjugal way). Infact, all of us were not in existence at sometimes in the past. There was something that brought us to existence, at least crank up, into motion the stationary (Potential energy loaded thing, (the thing you atheists hypothesised to be the giver of life), and long time before the thing came into existence?) matter/particle, into a kinetic energy loaded thing, which in your mind brought you and all things to existence. This initial matter/particle, was it a Biological materials or what was it actually, if you know, which in time metamorphosised to life giver (the Bilogical part of of existing thing is what am referring to, you machine!)?

If it was easy for me to deny your human existence (I still believe that you are a machine because you are to mechanical in your responses, which is devoid of any human emotions), by just saying that you do not exist, since I have never seen you, yet we are both of the same species (If you are human, since i have limited knowledge and also zero knowledge of what the future hold, since we are not in the future yet. But at least I am human enough to admit it, while you are mechanical enough to deny all that you are not fed information on), in the creation, you can imagine how easier it is for you to deny the existence of God, though it is false denial, without any possible rational support of your position.

Afterall, God is a being which does not look like you and you tend to be a visual person, and you have never laid eyes on Him, wanting to test all conditions by sense of sight, if possible.

The same God is far away from you, having an elevated status, and exists in a place at minimum, heaven, a distance to earth, which is not known. Yet you believe that the 'heaven,' exist, even though you have never seen it.

Further you have not heard the voice of this God, but yet you hear the rumblings of the Thunder, and you have seen the lighting flashes. But none of these things; thunder and lightening and heavens and the earth, do we have absolute knowledge about, and can claim that there will not be any new discovery on them, in the future!

You will have to accept that your knowledge is very limited about yourself, afterall yor can never see your own eyes, neck, nostrils, back, without using a mirror! Then you have never seen your own inside and the workings of the organs, except you have MRI or other image providing devices in medicine.

Since you have not seen God, then look around you at His creations, on this earth. Start from yourself, then your family, how much you resemble some and yet not so with others, even though you come from the same source. Reflect and ponder about the animals and how the trees look aa dead and forgotten in the winter and yet in Spring, the come alive!

How has the earth been able to float all these while since it came to existence, without going off course. I know its the magnetic forces and other forces, but how did they come into being? These are your problems: you and me have limited knowledge, but you fail to admit it, but try hard to expalin away the unexplainable.

olabowale:

@KAG: The bulk of your entry is irrelevant. I do not waste my time on irrelevance. If I ignore anything about you, that was my answer to you; 'Silence is the best answer to a _______!',

as the adage goes. My debate with you is about your baseless denial of your Creator, God! I am using my denial of you as a living thing, if you are and you are not a machine (see I have doubt about your being a human being), to express your exact position about God!

You're being incredibly duplicitous. You ignored the bulk of my post not because they were irrelevant, but because you couldn't rebutt them. That they contained the very thing you asked for, gives credence to that.

olabowale:

@KAG ; Like i said since you are a machine to me, with the probability of 50/50, if I limit it to between man and programmed machine,

or 25/, 1 out every 4 possibility, if I expand the possibility to animal and plant (The animal part is using the chipanzee and the (horse known as Mr. Ed; if you can dream it, it may not be accurate, but you can push the idea. And the plant part is Venus the fly trap, and others which eat; a function of animals),

it is no wonder that you can be pretending that you are a human. Finally there is no credence due to you, because your handler, have done poor job in presenting you as a one track minded thing.

See I gave you at least a one in four chances that you could be a live human, with pulse. Thats the quality of a human, on my part. Your one track mind is that you fail to even give a possibility that God exists, yet you have mentioned Him, in other other form, eg "MOVER,'
but yet your linear ability and limited knowledge will not let you admit, any possibility.

Yet if you are human, you will one day die and if you are machine, you will one day be discarded. In either case, it shows that you have a limited knowledge, and whatever is beyond your scope does not exist. That is the deficiency on your ability to reason, if you are a human and the inferiority of your efficiency (less than 100%), if you are a machine.

olabowale:

@Obanikoro: You are very childlike. I really do not want to say tha you are childish. There are no dragons here. I am a human being, bowing my will, voluntarily to my Creator. Maybe you are proposing that KAG may be a possible gragon, reducing the chances that it is a computer or he (assuming that you a male) is human to 331/3% each? Thats a possibility. Hopefully, someone might even suggest that plant is also a possibility! Therefore taking it down a notch to 25%.

olabowale:

I will stop at that so that we do not ditute the conversation to meaningless babbles.

olabowale:

But my engaging the entity known as "KAG," will not preclude me from reminding you that you are in the grouping of Hindus, who know that their is a MIGHTY GOD, but yet have gods in their temples and homes. The christians do have crosses, crucibles in Churches and homes and around their neck, along with many saints, Mary, Fatima, etc.

Once again you have shown that you are a bias boy with a myopic mind and bigoted way of thinking!
And unfortunately so; a made-up mind u are not obviously ready to change.
Who told u all Christians go about with crosses on their chests and in their homes?
Have you been to the all the homes of over a billion Christians in the world?
Its such a pity you talk like this!! Its a complete waste of time replying you.
Something I hope not to do again!!!

dafidixone:

You can overcomer the devil by the blood of Jesus Christ and by sharing the testimonies of the Saints.

Bless you Obanikoro.

Shallom!