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Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by CoolUsername: 4:42pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: Where in the OP was it mentioned that the focus was on humans? Furthermore, anybody with even basic knowledge in this subject should know they asking about the evolution of sexual reproduction in man only is flawed reasoning since sexual reproduction evolved a long time before man did. Third, it would be completely asinine to try to answer this question without mentioning the earliest related processes for comparative analysis. If you were looking for the exact time and date with longitude and latitude of when sexual reproduction started then you do not know anything about evolution. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by iamwhat: 4:53pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername: I didn't say what you're saying is not correct, it's correct but it didn't answer the question. Allow me to give you an example: In one of our tests back in secondary school, our biology teacher told us to draw and label plant cell, a colleague drew and label animal cell perfectly. The teacher gave him 1/10 for the neat job and perfect labels, the same I did to you. No matter how good your answer is, it just didn't answer the questions. Go back and read the OP's question about the physiology (Virginal, Penis, breast, womb....) of the gender and the intelligence in chromosome distribution and then the reproduction itself; Do you think an unintelligent nature or nothing just came up with something so brilliant, HOW ? Who built the penis and why used those tissues instead of bones and it can fit only into the virginal, same applicable to building of breast? Why do the offsprings feed on breast milk and why the breast milk in the first place ? I can see some high level of intelligence and I would be happy if you can help provide some answers. Have you seen the crossbreed of Tiger and Lion, Donkey and Zebra, Horse and Zebra...... Why don't they last, why do they have several health issues and die in no time ? Am not saying they cannot be improved to last longer but definitely it won't come from nature and we are sure the early man wasn't scientifically oriented. *modified 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by butterflyl1on: 5:17pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername: You still have said NOTHING. you have not answered the question. You are simply making conjectures but not in any way answering the question. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by CoolUsername: 5:17pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
iamwhat: It's rather simple, the BIG question OP asked is the origin of sexual reproduction and sex. Once sexual reproduction and its purpose are ascertained, the other things are more like fluff because they are just the specialized mechanisms for efficient sexual reproduction. So,gametes, sex organs, intercourse, are tools which have been selected overtime to facilitate that same gene transfer I talked about in unicellular organisms but adapted for multicellular organisms. If you ask about the evolution of the human eye, I'll have to start with the most primitive forms of sight before I show you the progression from that to the modern human eye. That's because once you understand the necessity of sight to survival along with natural selection, then you'll see that the human eye is just a specialized tool for animals that evolved under the conditions we did. Saying that it occurred by accident is a bit inaccurate because while chance is evolved, these processes have been refined over generations for millions of years. 8 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by CoolUsername: 5:21pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: What kind of answer are you looking for? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by butterflyl1on: 5:28pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername: What you just did here is called "attempting to make common that which is so marvellous to watch at work". You still said nothing. HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? saying that's it's simply over many years of evolutionary processes is you SAYING NOTHING! HOW? HOW? HOW? Details are required. You cannot just sweep it under evolution. Is evolution supposed to be a destination or is it to be a process? I want details of this process. Simple. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by iamwhat: 5:50pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername: Can you see you're just concentrating on only one aspect of a whale-like (Very big) question ? The intelligent arrangement of chromosomes, The physiological differences between the genders, the reproductive organs....... How people in the same environment under the same influence of everything suddenly have different physiological developments. What created Penis and made it compatible with virginal..... and why does female has womb and menstruate and male doesn't, who created it that way..... What created breast and makes it milky at a point just to serve as food to another organism....... Why don't you answer those questions? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by CoolUsername: 6:09pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: First, we ascertain why sex evolved. I've spoken briefly on it in my first post bit this link delves into mathematical models supporting the evolution of sex https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/sexual-reproduction-and-the-evolution-of-sex-824?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C3198044844 Now that we know that sex is beneficial for survival we can bring in natural selection. Organisms better at sex would continue to out number those that are worse than it, and the disparity becomes more pronounced with each generation. Example: For every 5 offspring A can give rise to, B can only bring 2. Assuming that these genes are retained for three generations. Ist gen A= 5, B= 2 2nd gen A= 5*5= 25, B= 2*2= 4 3rd gen A= 5*5*5= 125, B= 2*2*2= 8 In just three generations A now outnumbers B by over 30 to 2. More than 6 times that of the first generation. This means that organisms that are better at sex outperform those that are worse. Natural selection would favour those that have the mechanisms that enable reproduction. This leads to some form of arms race that gives us what we have now. 7 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by butterflyl1on: 6:28pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername: Smh everything seems to be flying over your head. You are busy talking about the end result. I AM ASKING YOU HOW? saying natural selection is just making a lot of noise yet saying nothing. Break this down! Tell us how this processes occurred. Talking about necessity is an elephant in the room. Assumptions are not realities and the fact that what we have are definite realities we cannot base them on assumptions such as you are talking about. Even when we take this to the genetic level we know that even the slightest genetic alteration causes either deformities or huge calamities to its host so how did these changes occur and bypass these deformities or are these perfected sexual organs, genitals, chromosomes all deformities? I want to know the detailed process. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by Nobody: 6:35pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
iamwhat:Fallacy. . . 5 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by CoolUsername: 6:38pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
iamwhat: You keep asking these because you misunderstand natural selection. All these traits evolve to facilitate sexual reproduction. The motile gamete (sperm) evolved to transfer genetic information while ovum evolved to select the most competitive genes (fastest swimmer). The male produces the sperm while the female produces the ova. Sexual differentiation occurs for the same reason, male peacocks have bright feathers to show females how competitive their genes are, all for that sweet sweet poon. Women's skeletal structure leaves them with a wider pelvic girdle and sacrifices a great deal of upper body strength in order to facilitate the growth of a foetus, all to pass their genes on. The most competitive genes get passed to the next generation, that is what natural selection is. Sex, reproduction, every trait, even human civilization can be explained in the context of natural selection. It's impossible to know when the first sperm cell evolved but comparative analysis, paleontology, and experimentation can create a timeline of events that makes sense when explained in the context of natural selection. 7 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by Nobody: 6:42pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername:What did you mean by "better at sex" ? How did these organisms develop the mechanism /tools that gave them the edge with respect to reproduction? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by CoolUsername: 6:48pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: Are you kidding me? I just explained how evolution works and related it sexual reproduction for you here. If you do not understand what I've broken this topic down into for you then I suggest a more basic introductory resource for you to learn from. https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Dummies-Greg-Krukonis/dp/0470117737 |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by hopefulLandlord: 6:49pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb:None of the claims attached to it stands up to scrutiny |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by butterflyl1on: 6:57pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername: Sorry but you explained nothing. The truth is that nobody alive has been able to observe how this evolutionary process occurred to give us what we have today and what we are being presented with are simply guesses deliberately tailored to appear true to reality despite nobody witnessing this occurrence from NO SEXUAL function to TODAYS SEXUAL PERFECTION. if you have or anyone has then share this information with me. How did single-celled protists first get sexual organs randomly and then evolve to what we have today. What scientists have are SPECULATIONS and not actual explanations. They can explain why we need sexual reproduction but not how we came to have them. When it comes to the how question they clump it into the why and under natural selection. That is not an explanation. That is simply mass grouping with no details. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by CoolUsername: 6:59pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
juncheng: I used that term to encompass the tools necessary to facilitate reproduction. As I said before, mechanisms are developed through natural selection ie., any genetic mutation that would encourage the transfer of genes would cause any carrier of that mutation to outperform non-carriers. Over successive generations the differences would become more pronounced in terms of population, the carriers would eventually take over. Any further mutation that encourages gene transfer would follow the same process, thereby building on the previous one. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by butterflyl1on: 7:03pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername: For the sake of focus. We are talking of human sexual organs. Can you show me a video documentation of the reality of this process based on natural selection or even true pictoral proof and not mere suppositions and your repeated slogan of natural selection. You do realise that Natural Selection may be backed by observable evidence but is not considered the definite cause as to why organisms can evolve due to surrounding debate simply because NOBODY WITNESSED ANYTHING. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by iamwhat: 7:12pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername: Boss, are you intentionally doing this ? Does that men, The womb, breasts, virginal and other reproduction related organs.... were not present at the same time in women? Like, Women first evolved to have bigger breast than men, then the waited for millions of years before they evolved to have virginal then they waited for millions of years to have womb........? WHAT MADE THEM TO HAVE SUCH SKELETON AND MEN DOESN'T ? Please don't tell me because they have to carry babies. Let say you have 2 mangoes with same properties, If you put them in the same environment for 5 days, would they have different reactions to the environment ? If Yes, why ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by butterflyl1on: 7:22pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername: What could have made the sperm intelligent enough to be the carrier of genetic markers at all? Not just a carrier but to be a swimmer and somehow a locator and targeter of the ovum. Also how did the ovum intelligently know which is the fastest sperm and program itself to shut out other sperms from penetrating it for fertilisation? Why even accept one sperm and reject the others? How did the womb evolve to be not just a carrier of babies but also a base for the rooting of the fertilised ovum and also subway as it were for sperm travel and also create an enabling environment for maximum sperm survival? How did all of these evolve so magnificently? You and I know that it is absolutely impossible for one to evolve without the other so how did they achieve this? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by CoolUsername: 7:23pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: @bolded That is a straight up lie. There are tonnes of evidence of natural selection 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloration_evidence_for_natural_selection?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C7308172156 2. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080421-lizard-evolution.html You've starting resorting to lying because you can't keep up with my intelligence. GTFO 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by iamwhat: 7:23pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
I can't believe the OP is right about Athiest desisting from questions like this; Just imagine we have few Athiest here and the ones here are just telling us the end instead of what initiated the beginning of the end. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by bloodofthelamb(m): 7:25pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: If the claims of Yahweh not existing lacks credibility, why go about saying there is no God? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by butterflyl1on: 7:32pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername: You have started insulting because you are being exposed. Read my comment again. You do realise that Natural Selection may be backed by observable evidence but is not considered the definite cause as to why organisms can evolve due to surrounding debate simply because NOBODY WITNESSED ANYTHING. I said there may be observable evidence but this is not definite simply because the observable evidence is limited to what we can observe in our time frame as humans and not entirely complete. Do not try to turn this into a cuss fest out of desperation. Focus and answer the questions. Your intelligence is your opinion because I am yet to see any of it . |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by butterflyl1on: 7:33pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
iamwhat: You have not seen anything yet. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by CoolUsername: 7:37pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
iamwhat: What a naive question! Mammary glands have existed before humans evolved. All mammals have them, so humans already had them when they evolved. iamwhat: But that's kind of the answer, a wider pelvic girdle would reduce the chances of death during childbirth. iamwhat: No. Mangos are not living creatures, they don't reproduce, so nothing happens. I think the major force driving this debate is your own ignorance. 7 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by iamwhat: 7:38pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
CoolUsername: Your intelligence ? So deviating from questions means you're intelligent ? Please could you take a look at the questions once again and look at you answers, then grade yourself ? How exactly did we arrive at two separate genders, each with its own physiology? Why sex? Is sex the product of a historical accident or the product of an intelligent Creator? |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by CoolUsername: 7:39pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:
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Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by Humanistme: 7:46pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
we did not evolve. we magically appeared from sandman and rib woman according to the words of an intelligent creator. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by butterflyl1on: 7:48pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
iamwhat: True! Why sex? Why not the woman having both the ovum and sperm in her and simply release the sperm to fertilise her own eggs by herself? Why the separation into men and women and why the need to come together to achieve reproduction? Why must men be the producers of sperm and not the women while the men produce eggs? Since we are separate genders how did evolution see necessity for reproduction especially when we are separate. It would have been a necessity if both the sperm and ovum were in one carrier and not different carriers. That guy is not thinking at all yet is claiming intelligence while dodging questions by offering different things entirely. |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by CoolUsername: 8:51pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
iamwhat: Have you even been listening to me?? In my very first post (the same one you said was off-topic) I gave the advantages of sex, elsewhere in this thread I linked some studies that show why sex is so commonplace across species. What's wrong with you, man? I don't think I should waste my time arguing with someone who doesn't even know that mangos don't evolve. Your knowledge of this subject is so little and so beneath mine that you can't appreciate or understand my points. Go read a book, man. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by frank317: 8:56pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: Why not sex? If the woman have both the ovum and sperm in her and simply release the sperm to fertilise her own eggs by herself will u not still think its your Gods doing? Whats ur arguement? will not seperating humans into men and women without them coming together to achieve reproduction make ur God idea less intelligent? How does saying God did it answer the foolish question the op is asking? Sometimes u guys amaze me. U can question everything like a reasonable human but not ur imaginery God idea. The same detail answers u need on how human reproduction came to be is still right there in your face waiting for u to come uo with even when u say God did it. How did God create the human reproductive organ? Why did he allow sex? Why did he not ensure the woman havep both the ovum and sperm in her and simply release the sperm to fertilise her own eggs by herself? Why the separation into men and women and why the need to come together to achieve reproduction? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheists Desist From Answering This Question ? by danvon(m): 8:56pm On Feb 23, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Snakeman were not done here you didn't answer anything your just twisting out of your hole...simple question "How did we come into existence according to you" Atleast say that the world is computer simulation created by Machines... nope nothing |
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