LaudableXX:


Oh I love this question!

Cromcruach91:


Ironsi did not plan the January coup...infact he was involved in putting down the coup.

His becoming Head of State was meant to be a temporary thing.(security issues)..but events changed the situation

gawu1:

Zanna Bukar Sullona DipCherima who was the senior cabinet member was to take over the government after the coupist had executed the prime minister. But in their meeting to effect this, Ironsi who was the head of the army used his position to threaten the cabinet ministers and cowed them to relinquish power to him.
Though Ironsi was not part of the coup, he turned out an opportunist. He used the coup to assert himself head of state of nigeria. Eventually he supported the coup because it benefited him. He did everything to protect the coupist, especially that all of them turned out to be his kinsmen.
He mishandling of the aftermath of the coup caused the july counter coup which also claimed his own life. At any rate, Ironsi was an opportunist whose action and inaction after the january coup contributed to the immediate out break of the civil war.

asorocker:

Another Nzeogwu is warming up to kick fooolanis out of Nigeria, foools

ofai:
Mumu, who said Edo is an ethnicity? I just stated that you were from that state, but I don't know your ethnicity? So I keep asking, why are you ashamed of your ethnicity? What is your ethnicity?

You are a waste of time.

gidgiddy:


And after sponsoring a bill on referendum then what? Why do you think that none of those who are agitating gor restructuring have sponsored a restructuring bill by now?

This because the North has such a huge voting power that any bill they dont like has no hope of ever ever being passed into law, wether restructuring or referendum

DerideGull:


You cannot be more ignorant than the above junk. I guess it takes more thorough academic torture to educate certain moronic dingbats in Nigeria. It is funny that certain nitwits in the shithole do not know that a government can be terminated while the country stands. In a parliamentary govt., the president is the Head of State and Commandeer-in-Chief of the armed forces of the country. The president has the power to appoint prime minister and dissolve the government on the on the advise of ministerial executive council.

gawu1:

It was just 3million last time. This time around no single life will remain in the potopoto republic.

LaudableXX:

Igbos would still own this country.... in what sense? As if people from other tribes do not exist in Nigeria. Can you see the cluelessness in your remarks?

gawu1:

Zanna Bukar Sullona DipCherima who was the senior cabinet member was to take over the government after the coupist had executed the prime minister. But in their meeting to effect this, Ironsi who was the head of the army used his position to threaten the cabinet ministers and cowed them to relinquish power to him.
Though Ironsi was not part of the coup, he turned out an opportunist. He used the coup to assert himself head of state of nigeria. Eventually he supported the coup because it benefited him. He did everything to protect the coupist, especially that all of them turned out to be his kinsmen.
He mishandling of the aftermath of the coup caused the july counter coup which also claimed his own life. At any rate, Ironsi was an opportunist whose action and inaction after the january coup contributed to the immediate out break of the civil war.

iconize:



The cluelessness is evident in your pettiness.

Funnily enough, other ethnic groups exist and yet, the Fulanis run the affairs of the country. The country virtually belongs to them.

That's exactly how the Igbos would still own Nigeria till this moment, if not for the foolery of Ironsi and his co-travelers of the Igbo stock.

Deadlytruth:


As per the bolded; Ironsi centralized the civil service immediately he got to power. Now, could you kindly explain how the regions remained functional with their civil service structures taken away from them to the center?
Recall that the civil service is the engine of any government and the only legal institution through which the government exercises all its governing powers.
Waiting for your response.

ofai:


Not true.

Deadlytruth:


I answered you clearly. The Core North led by Murtala Mohammed overthrew Ironsi not necessarily because they wanted to correct Ironsi's blunders but to secceed from Nigeria. But then the British Government Educated them on the benefit of oil, hence they decided to stay back but still not to correct Ironsi's blunders but to rather capitalize on them to completely weaken Igbos. They first chose Gowon, a Middle Belter who, as a minority man, did not share their revenge domination agenda hence actually took steps to reverse Ironsi's blunders until he found a genuine excuse to back down temporarily. But the core North through the person of Murtala Mohammed sacked Gowon when it became crystal clear that he was not genuinely committed to the revenge domination agenda when he declared the 'no victor no vanquished" philosophy.

S3xxy:


I will educate you but you can still live in your ignorance.
The president in a parliamentary system is NOT the commander in chief. The Prime Minister is the one that advises the president to dissolve the government. The president is only a figurehead. The head of the executive branch is the prime minister.

Now, you can continue in your ignorance cos it's a bliss.

iconize:
The cluelessness is evident in your pettiness.

Funnily enough, other ethnic groups exist and yet, the Fulanis run the affairs of the country. The country virtually belongs to them.

That's exactly how the Igbos would still own Nigeria till this moment, if not for the foolery of Ironsi and his co-travelers of the Igbo stock.

LaudableXX:
No, you are the one whose remarks reek of pettiness. That is why you can make such a myopic statement like the 'Igbo would still own Nigeria,' as if Nigeria was your tribe's personal property. It explains why the Presidency has always eluded your people, due to ignorant narcissistic statements like the one you made.

As for the Fulani, they only use the fact that PMB is in power to get away with impunity. It would soon end, when someone else gets into Aso Rock. Until then, keep deluding yourself that the "Igbos would still own Nigeria till this moment...". When you wake up from our slumber, you would curse the delusion that enveloped you.

gidgiddy:


You people think Britain and Russia will still be there to aid you like they did last time?

You guys cant even defeat Shekau and his rag tag Army

gawu1:

You can't defense yourselves from our men who rape your women everyday using cuttlass and sticks to scare you. Shakau and his boys are tomorrow's assets.
I repeat, Last time we killed only 3million and took some as Osu; next time we shall not be interested in taking any pig as Osu because last time we did, all of you later turned out be to useless pigs.
I guess you are those indomie generation, but go ask your grandpa.

DerideGull:


Stop propagating idiotic fallacy. Zanna DipCherima was never senior minister to Maitima Sule talk less K.O. Mbadiwe. K.O. Mbadiwe was the only ranking minister after Tafawa Balewa. DipCherima was once Minister of State under K.O. Mbadiwe in the ministry of commerce.

Deadlytruth:
Ironsi remains the worst leader Nigeria ever had because his administration gave birth to all the very issues central to the arguments around which Nigeria's failure in the past 52 years revolve. Here they are:
1. Ironsi introduced to Nigeria the aberration called military rule. This would later militarize our democracy as IBB recently confessed to his creation of a military wing in PDP. Even from 1999 till the present the military has actually been in charge of our democracy both directly and indirectly. Parties totally devoid of military membership content don't usually grow beyond their respective local constituencies because Nigerians generally are no longer used to purely civilian affairs.
2. He met a perfectly working constitution which no one was complaining against but ironically he decided to start amending it.
if at all necessary, the amendment should have been towards further weakening the center since the very crisis on ground was a direct fall out of abuse of power at the centre by way of its illegal interference in the Western Region's internal affairs. But against logic and common sense, Ironsi did the exact opposite by concentrating more powers at the centre.
3. He made the three most offensive Decrees in the history of Nigeria, namely: Unification, Anti-seccession and Anti-tribal Associations Decrees, all of which were aimed at imposing on Nigerians the task of pretending that they were a homogeneous tribe with the same culture and value system. That was tantamount to tearing down all the barriers that separated rats, cats, snakes, crocodiles, pigs, chicken, etc in a farm stead and expecting these animals to thereafter coexist peacefully without predation and blood letting. Ironsi simply lacked an understanding of the characteristics of a complex society required of good leaders.

4. He centralized the regional civil service institutions, thereby also centralizing the source of the revenues from which their salaries were being generated thus striping the future states of the power to control their resources and lands. This would later give birth to marginalization of every other tribes by the tribe lucky to perpetually hold power at the centre. As an evidence the Niger Delta which ended up separated farthest from the center would be the first to take to open armed struggle against the centre for resource control restoration.

5. It took Ironsi less than three months to get Isaac Adaka Boro (a non-Igbo) sentenced to death for mutiny but was talking him eternity to do same for the January coupists (mostly Igbos) whose mutiny was not only by far deadlier and bloodier but recorded victims whose innocence were all too glaring. And he did not bother about how such selectiveness in justice administration would impact on the public's perception of his detachment from the long suspected Igbo domination agenda.

6. He arrogantly turned down all pleas from the public to leave the constitution intact, and then stubbornly went ahead with his pioneership of its mutilation. This alone would later give birth to a constitutional crisis for which the Aburi Summit was convened albeit improperly, leading to a set of resolutions hurriedly done by men unskilled in the art of legislation hence its consequent rejection by the populace which triggered the tragic war that ended up casting inter-tribal resentments and hatred in stone till toda
y.

maestroferddi:

One is at pains to extract even a scintilla/minutiae of coherence from the barrage of verbiage and high-fallutin nonsense you appear to regale yourself heretofore...

DerideGull:


What the hell is Core North? Intellectual laziness of most Nigerians always drives them to commit avoidable ambiguity. If I remember correctly, most of July 29, 1966 coup members were minority Christians from the northern region of Nigeria. The participants of that coup validated the crap accredited to Ahmadu Bello that the conquered people under Sokoto caliphate shall be the willing tools of Jihadists.

DerideGull:


Centralization of civil service has nothing to do with the operations of regional government. In this case, the crap found with Local Authority where one stupid Emir decides who and what type of job a person gets was put to rest. The standard of employment was simply centralized. If he terminated regional government, what the hell were the regional governors doing at the period in discourse? The regional government came to a regrettable end when states were created by dumbass Gowon and his cronies'.

iconize:
I don't chat shyte.

If my statement did hurts you so much, jump off the cliff.

It's not myopic when those cowjockeys, go saying it to the world that Nigeria is their personal estate.

Heck, you're still suffering - living in your glorified shyte hole.

So don't come - telling me about the presidency. Shove it deep into your as.s.

Deadlytruth:
You mean the regions remained even after Ironsi categorically blamed regionalism for the extant crisis and went further to announce in his May 24 1966 broadcast that "Nigeria ceases to become what is called a federation and becomes just a Republic"? The governors afterwards began to govern groups of provinces and not regions anymore. How come he asked them to henceforth be reporting to the centre if they still had their autonomy powers and their civil service institutions under their controls?

DerideGull:
Stop propagating idiotic fallacy. Zanna DipCherima was never senior minister to Maitima Sule talk less K.O. Mbadiwe. K.O. Mbadiwe was the only ranking minister after Tafawa Balewa. DipCherima was once Minister of State under K.O. Mbadiwe in the ministry of commerce.

Zanna Bukar Sulloma Dipcharima, was a popular Bornu politician who served in the House of Representative from 1954-1966, and was later the leading member in the federal cabinet meetings, following the death of the Prime Minister in January, 1966.

Dipcharima was made the district head of Yerwa in 1956, and conferred with the title of Zanna. In 1958, he was appointed as the Minister of Commerce and Industry and later in 1964, he was re-allocated to the Ministry of Transport. http://nigerianwiki.com/Zanna_Bukar_Dipcharima

Having nominated ZANA Diphcharima as our acting Prime Minister in the absence of the Prime Minister, whose whereabout we didn't know, we approached the acting President, Nwafor Orizu to swear him in because he cannot legitimately act as the Prime Minister except he is sworn- in. Nwafor Orizu refused. He said he needed to contact Zik who was then in West Indies.

Under the law, that is, the Interpretation Act, as acting President, Nwazor Orizu had all the powers of the President .....We wanted an Acting Prime Minister to be in place but Ironsi forced us, and I use the word force advisedly, to handover to him. He was controlling the soldiers. The acting President, Nwafor Orizu, who did not cooperate with us, cooperated with the GOC. Dr. Orizu and the GOC prepared speeches which Nwafor Orizu broadcast handing over the government of the country to the army. " I here state again categorically as a member of that cabinet that we did not hand-over voluntarily. It was a coup. " http://www.gamji.com/nowa/nowa25.htm

Smartademu:

That is the lie your leaders told you to justify his killing but we know better.

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iconize:
I've always known you on here to be a resident dumbass.