Maximus85:


I'm sorry sir, but I really cant get hold of anything serious from all you've typed. But tell us one of the non Biblical teachings sir.

Maximus85:


LOL, cults have secrets. Their meetings are held in secret places, they don't go about preaching. Let's be sincere sir.

Redoil:
Are they christian
They dont pray together with other christians.
They dont mingle with other christian.
To they believe that they are the only people who will go to paradaise

Hairyrapunzel:


That means you believe in nollywood definition of cult. There are secret cults and there are open cults. Yes cult members can meet in open places. Look for the definition and criteria for a group being labelled as a cult. Have you ever heard of the BITE model? Any group that has significant influence on your BEHAVIOR INTELLIGENCE THOUGHTS AND EMOTIONS is termed a cult. I advice you to look up BITE model. You will know that having secretive meetings doesn't identify a group as a cult.

Maximus85:


Does your church or your daddy GOs have a significant influence on your BEHAVIOR INTELLIGENCE, THOUGHTS AND EMOTIONS?
Oya, I'm waiting for your answer. Pls I need a yes or no answer?

Hairyrapunzel:

No

Maximus85:


Does your church or your daddy GOs have a significant influence on your BEHAVIOR INTELLIGENCE, THOUGHTS AND EMOTIONS?
Oya, I'm waiting for your answer. Pls I need a yes or no answer?

Hairyrapunzel:


Tell us where the bible said that the gift of performing miracles ended with the first century Christians. Till then your religion is the biggest scam on earth.

Scamming 8 million people that the world will soon end as 8billion will be slaughtered by their Jehovah so 8 million people will take over because they belong to watchtower and follow governing body bible misinterpretation is the biggest lie ever told to anybody. See who they call pastors scammers na him dey for inside the scam.

Maximus85:


LOL. How dyu feel telling that fat lie in public? Dyu feel good? I'm done with you.

Maximus85:


Jesus’ miracles helped observers to identify him as the Messiah.
When Christianity was young, miracles worked in conjunction with the message to help individuals to see that God was behind Christianity and had turned from the earlier Jewish system of things.

With all the miracles performed by Jesus, millions of people still didn't believe in him.

The motive of the individual performing the miracle should never be for selfish prominence of the individual or to make anyone wealthy, but it was primarily to glorify God. But today, they do it to gather crowd.

No miracle performed in the Bible was ever doubted or judged to be fake.

How many times did you hear any apostle of Jesus or Jesus himself advertise the miracles they perform? What of today? At the back of their tracts, you see bunch of funny testimonies. They were even caught recently editing and repeating the testimonies.

Maximus85:


Jesus’ miracles helped observers to identify him as the Messiah.
When Christianity was young, miracles worked in conjunction with the message to help individuals to see that God was behind Christianity and had turned from the earlier Jewish system of things.

With all the miracles performed by Jesus, millions of people still didn't believe in him.

The motive of the individual performing the miracle should never be for selfish prominence of the individual or to make anyone wealthy, but it was primarily to glorify God. But today, they do it to gather crowd.

No miracle performed in the Bible was ever doubted or judged to be fake.

How many times did you hear any apostle of Jesus or Jesus himself advertise the miracles they perform? What of today? At the back of their tracts, you see bunch of funny testimonies. They were even caught recently editing and repeating the testimonies.

Hairyrapunzel:


Why do you even think I am lying? You believe other churches are like the bondage you call organization? You have not still mentioned the bible passage that said that only first century Christians had the gift of performing miracles.

You put yourself in life long bondage because some men heading a new York based publishing company keep telling you that the end is close and their jehovah will spare you because you belong to their incoporated organization while he will commit the greatest mass murder/genocide ever known to man so you will be petting lions and tigers in your imaginary new world.

Hairyrapunzel:



How many times did you here that the apostles used magazines to spread the gospel or use internet?

Hairyrapunzel:

My pastor or GO has never said he or she or the church is the only means of salvation or he or she doesn't claim to be the only channel of communication between God and man today. He or she doesn't preach that if I don't follow their teaching I am an apostate or they don't tell my family and friends in the same church to shun me if I don't believe. They have never said I will go to hellfire or be slaughtered in Armageddon because I didn't follow their teachings or Bible interpretation. They will never disfellowship me for breaking their own man made rules. They have no business in the number of hours I put into serving my God or serving the Church. They never preach to me that those who don't belong to their church and follow their beliefs will be slaughtered by their God. They have never classified their non members as worldly, wicked or unrighteous.

They don't have a say in my getting a higher education in fact they encourage me to go to school and get a full time job. You can leave their church anytime you like. No one will shun you. They have never claimed that they alone worldwide preach the truth.

Maximus85:


LOL, there are no magazines then, but there are scrolls. They used scrolls. Jesus used scrolls.

Maybe you should tell us to where in the Bible they collect tithe every month and where Jesus and his disciples live in mansions, ride bulletproof cars and fly private jets to spread the gospel. Or where gate fee is being collected at the church gates. We are waiting sir.

Maximus85:


Once again, you lie and you have no meaningful point. You don't even know Jehovah's Witnesses. If you do, you won't even mention hell fire when you are talking about us.

Nobody says you can't have higher education? I have a degree and a diploma and nobody has pointed any finger at me.

See apostle Paul, he was a trained lawyer, but in the end, it was useless to him. He ended up making tents for a living.

How many of us are sure of getting a job after graduation sir? Let say realistically 1 out of 10 and that is if you know people.

Considering all the immorality in the higher institutions, JW thought that it could be safer if we can avoid higher education and adopt handwork skills that would afford us enough time for our family and for our preaching.

As hard as it may sound, this life is vanity upon vanity. Your wealth or loads of degrees cannot guarantee you happiness, long life and eternal life.

The Bible say that we should not store our treasures here on earth where thieves can get to it but we should store it in heaven.

That is what many of us JWs are doing. People see us as stupid but it's OK. Once we have food, clothing and shelter, we are OK. We can then use most of our time slaving for God.

And Jesus is our only channel to God. He is our only hope of salvation. Get that right.

dudebuck:
No you are the one who is missing the point. Any pastor that says he or she is from God because he is performing miracles is not realy from God, either it is fake or the source of the power is from another place, definitely not from God, why? The Bible made it clear that the ability to perform powerful works will be done away with. Infact 1 Corinthians 13 made it very clear, that the mark of True Christians is if they have love among themselves, initially powerful works were used to convince people that God was with a particular person, but when the Knowledge is complete, it will no longer feature on the menu, at the time Apostle Paul wrote that letter, Bible was not yet complete, in fact that letter is part of the Bible. One thing true followers of Christ can have among themselves is love, but followers of the devil cannot have love among themselves, even the magic practicing priests of Egypt changed their staff to snakes in imitation of Moses.
John 13: 35 Says "by this all will knkw you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.

Hairyrapunzel:


Nobody sees you as stupid. Enough of the persecution complex. You are in bondage and you are slaving for a publishing company not God. You won't be finding it diff

You missed to include that they see everyone else that is not jw as stupid, not knowledgeable about God, not worthy of salvation unless they become JWs, not knowing God's will etc

Riofidelio:
Miracles were for some purposes,if someone don't know the purpose of something such a person could overdo or miss out totally from it's benefits.According to Jesus Christians would perform miracles for some reasons (1)to help honest hearted ones IDENTIFY those that will complete all other useful info God wants to pass to mankind since HIS son couldn't complete the info within His short lifespan on the Earth as a man. (2) to help during the time the info is given eg they spoke in tongues to reach out to none Jews, they received most info through visions,(3) Some of them escaped execution miraculously to complete their assignments (4) God's Holy Spirit reminded them of all that Jesus said and to relate them to the old scriptures. But towards the completion of the Bible they gradually performed no more miraculous signs, and after the Bible was completed all those things seized. 1Corinthians 13:8-13 That's why the closest religions to the first century Christians who were claiming Christianity don't perform miracles! Jesus warned that during the last days when lawlessness will abound,false prophets will perform great signs that's powerful enough to confuse Saints (Holy Ones) This indicates that these so called Saints won't be performing any signs at the time because if they do there can't be any fake miracles that will confuse them. God is still God no doubt but as for continuous signs to impress people HE is no more giving such, it's left to those with eyes of Faith to display their love for HIM by waiting patiently for HIS promises.1Corinthians 13:13 compare to Matthew 12:39

LordKingsley:
Is this what the Bible refers to as 'having a form of godliness but denying its power?'

Hairyrapunzel:


So at the end of the day there isn't any Bible passage that said miracles ended with the first century. Your explanation is basically an assumption. Therefore your belief is a lie. Just to air your non biblical view you try to combine 2 unrelated verses in the Bible. You quote a verse out of the context in which it was used in the Bible.
Your religion is a big joke. In fact it's a scam and racket.

rottennaija:


The spiritual gift spoken of in the Bible emcompases many things. Healing, prophecies, faith, speech of knowledge, speech of wisdom, powerful works etc. These were all gift of the spirit Jesus gave.

But the purpose of the gift was to help the church or body of christ, or as New world translation says, was " given to each one for a beneficial purpose" (1 Co 12:7).

It seems that they were some problems within the Christian church or congregation in Corinth. It seems some were seeing themselves to be more important than others based on what spiritual gift they had and it was causing some division among them. So, the apostles laboured to help them see that all these gift were for the benefit of one another. He compared each member of the congregation to a body, all are important, and all needs each other. (please read 1 Co 12)


Though all these member had one gift of another, not all could have the same gift. Some were apostles, some prophets, some teachers etc. But there was one thing all all could, which is love. So, in 1 Corinthians 13, the apostles Paul is reminding them that no matter which gift they had or did not have, they would be nothing without love.

To the main question, when were these spiritual gift to end?

The Bible says:

"Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, 10 but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, to think as a child, to reason as a child; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a child. 12 For now we see in hazy outline* by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face-to-face. At present I know partially, but then I will know accurately, just as I am accurately known. 13 Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love." 1 Co 13: 8-13 (New world Translation)

Now. Notice what the apostles said will be gone. Gift of prophecy, tongues, knowledge. (Notice there is no mention of powerful works, Healing, faith, speech of wisdom.)

But of course, when watchtower and Jws speaks of gift that were done away with, healing, powerful works, prophecies are all included.

Question is, how about knowledge? Because the scriptures said, it too would be done away with. How about faith, speech of knowledge, speech of wisdom? As we read in 1 Co 12: 1 - 11, they are all included among the gift of the spirit. Or are we then to believe that these too had been done away as we now have the complete Bible?

Now, to the main point. Pay particular attention to verses 9, 10, 12 and 13. Apostle Paul wrote: "9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, 10 but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with...12 For now we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face-to-face. At present I know partially, but then I will know accurately, just as I am accurately known."

Noticed that in verse he said," we see in hazy outline" ("Now we see things imperfectly as in a poor mirror," New Living Translation). He said specifically, "At present I know partially, but then I will know accurately, just as I am accurately known.

The apostles Paul is no more with us. But we have the complete Bible. So, of the scriptures in question was referring to the complete Bible, it can be asked, how does the apostles Paul see "know accurately" today?

The answer is, it was not referring to the complete Bible as watchtower would have is believed. Rather, something better, something future. Notice how New Living Translation renders the said verses:

1 Corinthians 13:8 "Love will last forever, but prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will all disappear. 9 Now we know only a little, and even the gift of prophecy reveals little! 10 But when the end comes, these special gifts will all disappear." other translations uses the expression such as perfect (ESV)

I have been a jw for many years. And when quest arises concerning this spiritual gift, i responded the same way I have been taught to respond. The problem was, I never actually took time to read the said scriptures with its surroundings verses. It was when I delivered the talk entitled "Love, the identifying mark of true Christian"

That was when I really took time to read the said scriptures and it all became clear to me. Of course, after that talk, I decided that I would never represent the organization anymore and since then, I have never mount the platform.

tytachile:
theybelieve in another Jesus and not the one christains believe also what they believe about the Jesus of christains is totally wrong. So they dont believe in hell but except any of them repents they are hell bound!

Maximus85:


Once again, you lie and you have no meaningful point. You don't even know Jehovah's Witnesses. If you do, you won't even mention hell fire when you are talking about us.

Nobody says you can't have higher education? I have a degree and a diploma and nobody has pointed any finger at me.

See apostle Paul, he was a trained lawyer, but in the end, it was useless to him. He ended up making tents for a living.

How many of us are sure of getting a job after graduation sir? Let say realistically 1 out of 10 and that is if you know people. Considering all the immorality in the higher institutions, JW thought that it could be safer if we can avoid higher education and adopt handwork skills that would afford us enough time for our family and for our preaching.

As hard as it may sound, this life is vanity upon vanity. Your wealth or loads of degrees cannot guarantee you happiness, long life and eternal life.

The Bible say that we should not store our treasures here on earth where thieves can get to it but we should store it in heaven.

That is what many of us JWs are doing. People see us as stupid but it's OK. Once we have food, clothing and shelter, we are OK. We can then use most of our time slaving for God.

And Jesus is our only channel to God. He is our only hope of salvation. Get that right.

prinzfavian:
Wow, the hatred for Jw is really great here...
The hairy guy up there is really angry, lol. I can understand, these are critical times hard to deal with. Well,
Just have a little patience dear, this system is almost done, you'll see for yourself who is lying, who is in bondage and who is the scam....

prinzfavian:

Lol...

Riofidelio:
"Then forward you witnesses ever strong of heart,rejoice that in God's work you too may have a part, go tell far and wide that the Paradise is here and that soon it's rich blessings will be here!"