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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by eleojo23: 9:39pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
ultron12345: I see that most of you on this thread are still student doctors/house officers. All these your 'readings', what has it contributed to the improvement of healthcare delivery in the country? I'll advise you to keep an open mind and learn from all members of the healthcare team during your housemanship and beyond ...it will help you a lot. Believe me, there are going to be times (like during calls) when your registrar or any other senior will leave you to attend to patients alone and you are going to be confused about some things relating to tests, drug dosage and other things, don't be ashamed to ask the med lab scientists, nurse, physiotherapist or Pharmacist for assistance. It will really help you. Don't imitate your seniors who don't know how to work with others, be better than them. 16 Likes |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by YoungDaddyB: 9:40pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Funke!!!!!!?!!? Arghh you can lie. the average salary in Canada CAD500,000? it's actually 230000, which is still high in comparison to Nigerian consultants. 2 Likes |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by simtus50: 9:41pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
You have just exhibited professional nepotism. NMA should stop crying fowl simply because others are demanding for their rights. If they feel health sector is solely their property, now that others are on strike, let them render 24hours services to Nigerians. Let's respect each other. 6 Likes |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by sunroxus: 9:43pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
In all of these struggles I don't think is the duty one person to determine what the other takes - poor reason if you deserve something else come up with and not saying one shouldn't get what . If I may ask who is the president of the world health organisation? Is he/she a doctor? If the and is no than the monopoly if health institution leadership is wrong and all the claim that a doctor must head places should challenge us as people Thanks 1 Like |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Follygunners: 9:46pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Ptwealth: 9:47pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
@op I feel you are confused. Its called team work and not doctors work. If you are a pharmacist practising for years and your promotional level ends at level 15 while the house officer you know when he was employed just because he was a doctor becomes a director ahead you. OP I know you won't be happy. Am a doctor bro experience in the field of medicine matters a lot. Most HO/Residents are so ignorant brother don't know anything but still wants power I know of a nurse that mostly will call me look at what your Junior Resident is writing. So please let's give then what the want we are all working for the patient. Stethoscope can be use by anyone brother not only doctors In the US I was afraid to meet a physiotherapists in the GOPD but in Nigeria its not possible same thing in Australia when I went for a curse was surprise seeing a physiotherapists teaching me radiological findings. Please let's the health sector in Nigeria move forward. The way forward: Its is called administrative duty, doctors don't have these might give the duty to those who can we are trained to care. The post of CMD, Dcmac and the rest should be given to the as administrator The matter of 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Boscolo: 9:47pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
OP, I strongly disagree with you in the area of a nurse consultant. I am not a nurse or a medical practitioner, but If you care to learn I will like you to research on nurse consultant. In the UK there are nurse consultants and I have been treated by one. Kindly note that nursing has advanced and nurses that are calling for a consultancy position is not because they have worked along side with doctors, but as a result of studying and research upto PhD level couple with their experience in the field. A consultant (nurses, med lab, pharm) will not in any way interfare with a Dr who is a consultant there are structure , but we don't want to learn that is our issue. Take a look at the University and Poly in Nigeria. Most countries have upgraded their polytechnic / vocational sector but not in Nigeria. I think on that aspect I disagree with you on that. 3 Likes |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Mobsync(m): 9:49pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Sterope: That's very true. My initial comments are directed towards doctors in government institutions and not private institutions. I wouldn't set up a company and employ someone else as my boss, would I? No. The issue is that a private hospital is very different from a public hospital. A doctor who owns a private hospital still performs his role as a doctor. He goes to the ward, performs surgery and etc. He could even employ an administrator (as they call them because the doctor is the CEO ) to take over the administrative and part of the management roles of the CEO. But the reverse is the case in government hospitals. A doctor in a government hospital can no longer perform his role as a doctor [even if he wants to] because he is usually bogged down by administrative duties. He cannot employ or relegate his administrative and management role to another official either. That's years of experience being wasted. In fact, this is the reason why foreign hospitals have CEOs to head their hospitals since they still need the expertise of the senior and experienced medical personnel that would have been relegated to signing papers and balancing books. That said, I must clarify that I am neither a doctor nor a nurse. I am not even a medical practitioner. I just feel that NMA needs to set its priorities straight and stop unnecessary bickering over non-issues. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by JoannaSedley(f): 9:50pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Oh thank you for not denying that I attended classes with them. Funny you.. You mean , the lazy as.s Nigerian lecturers in college of basic medical sciences will later come back to reschedule classes for them after marking, compiling and pasting the results. With the dissection and the lab works and the experiments.?? You are talking as if the lecture notes are top secrets. Just tell me that you are joking. Isn't this a bit farfetched to you?. I mean this is worse than defending Buhari. At the end of the basic medical science courses every students move to their various department where those courses will be integrated into their core and various disciplines. ultron12345: 9 Likes |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Mobsync(m): 9:57pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Sterope: No I am not. The Op and the doctor I initially quoted compared the Nigerian medical sphere to those of some "advanced nations" (that is, US, Canada etc), which was why I made them realize that the hospitals in these countries are headed by CEOs and not doctors. Since Nigerian hospitals are headed by doctors, I assume that there will be countries with hospitals headed by doctors -- or even nurses. Who knows? 1 Like |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by AlphaT1(m): 9:58pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
OgaInnocent:Who is dis paid job seeker talking trash here?.....I am also not a member of JOHESU but I am a public servant and can authoritatively state that you are talking trash...rubbish write up to mislead the public...I couldn't just continue reading the rubbish up there.... Who told you that BSc nurses are paid more than RN? Nurses are on CONHESS and the payment is based on grade levels. For instance, a RN and a BSc nurse on same grade level, say CONHESS 10, do not have different salaries....I don't know where you got dat nonsense thought from. The entry point of RN is grade level 7 while BSc is grade level 8. You don't expect grade level 7 and 8 to receive same salary. However, a RN on grade level 8 will receive same salary as a BSc nurse on grade level 8. 7 Likes |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by kalishay: 9:58pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Glitzcaret: Well said |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by positivethought: 10:00pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
I would have agreed with you but for points,i do not know of the nurses angle but even with that personally I feel the Bsc general nursing programme was a mistake instead it should have been that you get your RN general nursing then you go for BSC dental, orthopedic,psychiatric,optometric etc nursing,having said that I don't the issue is been paid equally with doctors but rather the guaranteed opportunity to rise to the pinacle of one's job,why must doctors want to head the medical lab, pharmacy etc departments in the hospitals when one can study up to professorial level in those fields?,the medical lab scientist or pharmacist can go and do one abridged related course n be allowed to head any of various medical departments so why are doctors doing same when there are so many branches of medicine for them to head?, on the issue of pay,almost all workers In US are paid higher than their Nigerian counterparts so on that basis everyone is right to complain but in practical terms this issue of foreign pay has to do with currency exchange rates,the pound sterling is stronger than the dollar so should the American doctors complain that they are paid lower than their British counterparts?,this mentality of doctors heading everything and excessive dominance is what is breeding all the unnecessary friction in the health sector at least I know that medical lab scientists and pharmacists and others now or in future will continue to resist it if the doctors are not call to order.Its the same case with ASUU blocking the granting of right to award at least just first degrees independently by colleges and other high institutions all for selfish reasons. 1 Like |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Follygunners: 10:01pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Mobsync: Bros. Great job with your comments but, not necessarily the case nevertheless, I won't say much. After all, what do I know? It disgusts me how some pple come on here to rant but, in reality, they're so abysmal. They love to be heard, unnecessary exhibitionism and show-off-ism is their motto. 1 Like |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Nobody: 10:02pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
OgaInnocent: https://www.nairaland.com/2013336/health-sector-strikes-underlying-issues you should read that write up, though written 3years ago, it holds more facts that what you have up there 1 Like |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by toysleek(f): 10:05pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
oyb:Says who? Many doctors are hustling to do housemanship in govt hospitals now..To get a place to do residency sef na war.Even after becoming a consultant, the probability that you will be retained is very low..In conclusion, supply is greater than demand..Every profession is saturated, 2 Likes |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by kalishay: 10:05pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
OgaInnocent: And who told u stethoscope is mainly for DR? Ol dis mini gods this ur anaysis na only u!let me come and b going 6 Likes |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Mobsync(m): 10:13pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
DatIjebuBoi: Yes they shouldn't. Unlike doctors, a hospital CEO is usually an appointment role, which means they could be hired and fired at any time. Doctors on the other hand are not. The issue is that having doctors as CEO means the doctors are left to perform administrative duties instead of medical duties. That is years of experience and expertise going down the drain, which shouldn't be so. CEOs often earn more than doctors but they do not have the same job security as doctors. For the average CEO, the average years spent on the job is 3 and a half years. Doctors spend way more than that. |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Scholar212(m): 10:13pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
@OgaInnocent, your half baked knowledge of other professions structure in the health sector especially medical laboratory gave you out as a student with little or no knowledge of how things work. First there is nothing like HND Medlab technologist or technicians, MLT is studied in school of health and not polytechnic and it is just for 3years while Medical lab science is 5yrs+ 1yr internship + 1yr NYSC = 7years. No polytechnic anywhere in Nigeria offers any medical lab course for the records, it is like saying RN nursing is offered in polytechnic. Coming from a microbiology graduate, I can see the reason for the hate against Medlab scientist, you claim to be knowledgeable in medical microbiology; what happens to Heamatology, chempath, histopath?. Let a microbiologist be left alone in the Blood bank for 2hrs if at least 5patients won't be reported back to be having adverse transfusion reaction from incompatible blood issued. Also no consultant heads Medlab services, it is a separate division of its own with experts having advanced training in their respective specialties. In UBTH for instance, we have 3 chempath Medlab scientist with their PHD in the lab and years of expertise. The consultant handles the patient side and make his request for any investigation which he has no Business again until results get to him. Doctors are far more overpaid than any other category of workers in public service , that is a known fact. I wonder where you got your notion that they are underpaid. You can't just convert salary in Canada to Naira equivalent, how much are nurses paid in Canada compared to their Nigerian counterpart? On the issue of consultancy, there is postgraduate college of pharmacy, nursing incase you are ignorant of it and no one is saying after working for donkey years you are automatically made a consultant. Live and let live, I wonder why you guys don't want others to progress in their career path, only doctors are trained at postgraduate level (residency) by the government and fully paid throughout the duration of training, others are not asking for government to fund their postgraduate program and you won't let them be. You have physiotherapist heading orthopedic units in USA and other countries where you want to be paid with their salary scale but won't allow how multidisciplinary health approach been practised over there to be implemented in Nigeria,. Hypocrisy at its peak. 12 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Mobsync(m): 10:21pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
sunroxus: That's Tedros Adhanom. He is not a doctor. Neither are Alex Azar, Chris Wormald and Ginette Petitpas Taylor, the Secretary of Health of the US, the Secretary of Health of England and the Minister of Health of Canada. But our very own Professor Isaac Adewole is a professor of gynaecology and obstetrics. |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Scholar212(m): 10:22pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Ministry of Health is always Swift to use no work no pay against other Health workers but will keep mute when Resident doctors who are supposedly students in training go on strike and you expect the health sector not to continue to deteriorate 1 Like
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Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by murphyibiam15(m): 10:24pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
toysleek:bros there is nothing like saturation... the whole doctors in Nigeria doesn't reach the total in Texas.. just a state in USA... Nigerian health care structure is the problem and not saturation... what's the ratio of Dr to patient again in Nigeria? I just hope you understand what I meant |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Chidonc(m): 10:26pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
OgaInnocent:hey, shut up. |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by ibknaanii80: 10:33pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
doctors are leaving the country in droves. and if the trend continues, local treatment will only be available to the wealthy.[/quote] Wrong Perception, am in the system and have seen a lot of consultants scrambling around for job because they weren't retained where they did there residency and have seen those that purposely refuse to do there consultancy when they became senior reg becos they wanted to stay longer in the system. Cos they know once they pass the exam in less than seven months they are back on the street. Back to the write up, answer this question are all health workers in Nigeria paid like their counterpart in European countries? I know of a nurse that bought the latest 2017 model M Benz the year it was realised. And lastly, now that others are on strick I believe the super human doctors are keeping the hospital running? Funniest thing is that a lot of them in the system not those still in school are happy saying 'thank God they too will rest'. Just know this "WITHOUT OTHERS U ARE NOTHING" 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Mobsync(m): 10:35pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Follygunners: Thank you for the boldened. I made several follow-up comments in response to series of quotes I got regarding my initial response to your post. You could read them if you want, in order to understand my opinion regarding the war looming among medical practitioners, especially in the public sector. My initial comment was harsh and confrontational. I'm sorry about that. 1 Like |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by madgoat(m): 10:39pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
JoannaSedley: Inferiority complex is really a disease. If u so much envy doctors or u are not proud of ur profession, why not write jamb and go to medical school. Its not too late to save urself from this sad Inferiority complex. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by hairyman(m): 10:39pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Be careful what I wish for? You have idea what I wish for. If you are a doctor and it's so easy to leave then why are you still here? Loyalty to your nation? I disagree. JOHESU is seeking for adherence to agreements. If you think they are attempting to 'rub shoulders with doctor', whatever that means, then you are spinning tales out of thin air. I mentioned the origin of the title, you didn't get it from going to medical school, you gained it because historical.figures gave it to you both honorary and function derived title. Your qualification after school is very clear. I studied physiotherapy, I didn't cry about the pay, or demand that someone else earn less or ask to get as much pay as the physiotherapist in Canada, I simply resigned, started a business and improved my lot. If you want to earn like the Canadian, go there or resign and start a business. How is it anyone's business that a consultant is managing 10million? And as such the nurse should manage one million? oyb: 3 Likes |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Jexyme(f): 10:41pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Guy you really need a hospital bed....at any close neuropsychiatric hospital. Trust me...you are damn deeply ignorant and I feel that educating you will be a serious waste of time. Be warned! Don't talk about what you don't know anything about. 1 Like |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by madgoat(m): 10:42pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Amarabae:My dear go and write jamb again and seek admission into medical school if u so much envy doctors. This ur JOHESU brouhaha is as a result of Inferiority complex. And rightly said, doctors truly are superior to those JOHESU clowns. The sooner they realize this, the more comfortable they will be around doctors in the hospital. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by Jedi777(m): 10:43pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Amarabae:Funny... Amarabae or whatever you call yourself,from all u ve bn typing, I'm sure u know d simple truth but all u want is attention....Smh.... |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by isah80: 10:43pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
Please, if you want to make analysis, don't use the church because the church is not the same with what you are saying. Secondly, you have to know that every field specialises in different things, don't expect the consultant physician to work as an administrator. Aboard, they have Hospital administrators who are in charge. Don't argue on things you don't know much about. In real sense, what do you understand by consultant? If you are one, that means you are very good in your field. I cannot be a consultant in mechanical engineering and I cannot be able to repair an engine. Let us leave title and paper qualifications and face the real work. If you are a brick layer, layer bricks with a difference, that is all I can say. 1 Like |
Re: Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! by TheDoc: 10:49pm On Apr 18, 2018 |
The best solution to this recurrent JOHESU/NMA/NARD strikes is privatisation, let everybody earn proportionately to the services he offers. |
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