Wrong sir. People are born mostly heterosexual. Sex is regulated by hormones. Once in a while, there is a hormonal anomaly that causes imbalances in the hormones. These imbalances affect the sexual impulse by reversing the sexual orientation. Therefore, homosexuality, just many other anatomical and physiological anomalies like, for example, left-handedness, is inborn and natural to the person. To those of us in the far majority that are born with our sexual hormones in harmony with our anatomy, we have a tendency to see the exception to that rule as being unnatural. When especially mixed with stone age religious superstitions, it takes on an even sinister appearance.
The most irritating thing about you homosexual apologists is that you know the truth but embrace the lie.
Here you have just admitted that homosexuality is an anomaly and human sexuality is genetically determined and under hormonal influence. But you realize how damaging this truth can be to your argument so you subtly try to group perverts with left-handedness. Perverts because, for many homosexuals the act has no genetic basis, just a social one. If we follow your argument that sexual deviation is a result of genetic expression gone wrong, it is logical that we should seek correction. Stop trying to defend rubbish. Man is a specie that exhibits sexual dimorphism. Period. Male and female. There is no 'rainbow', no spectrum.
One last thing. I am all for progress, but the 'stone-age superstitions' you deride provided a framework that sustained homo sapiens for eons and ensured survival into the modern age. It does so still. Sex is important for the survival of the species. It is the reason you are alive. Your father did not rape another man in the ass. He impregnated your mother. Think about that. Your savannah dwelling ancestors were on to something and had more sense than you. What is sinister is how people like you unashamedly push such an evil agenda.
Your mumu is legendary. Why should i bother with a demented soul? Believe what you like and practice what you want. I don't care. Between, if your paranoid about bible sholve your paranoia in your whatever, is none of my business ok.
Lolz. A fool does as a fool will. Can't afford to learn anything new as he'd rather stick to dogma. Also can't put up a sane argument or compose intelligible sentences. I'm just going to walk away from this.
I loved the part where you talked about God's design for sex... So you're saying genetic mutation resulting in defects from birth like deafness, blindness and the lot are all part of God's design for living? Man gained imperfection from sin (read Genesis) and genetic mutation came in as one of those imperfection... The fact that homosexuality is more psychological than physical doesn't make it any less a birth defect as blindness... Just pray that you never get to be a parent of a homesexual...
Man didn't gain imperfection from sin! God intentionally created man to be imperfect because he does as he wishes. But, I agree that homosexuality is a birth defect.
I joined both of u together cos of my observation, you share the same school of thought on the topic of discourse, so I don't want to duplicate my text for time's reason. Are you also of the opinion that same-sex sexual attraction is natural or adopted habit? If natural, kindly prove with reference and state how it is scientifically or biologically proven. If it is not, and its adopted based on precedence, why then do u think it should be encouraged when it is not socially accepted in ur first society? Let me come from the perspective of morals first; morality is defined according to an online dictionary as an act that promotes the goodness of a society. It is also defined as the differentiation of intentions, decisions and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper. There are some things that we can desire either naturally or lustfully that will irritate the society we belong to, the best thing you do as a right thinking person is to avoid such either publicly, or privately as much as possible even though it might not be easy but better still, let go! There are other legal immoralities that exist but pple that indulge in them try as much as possible to be discreet about them. An example is porn watching or acting... they rate it 18 so that underage will not have access to it, it is a condemnable immoral act to the large society but larger part of the society that condemns it publicly while watch it privately. Masturbation is a similar act. Now, do we now suggest that they legalise gaydom and quarantine the practitioners to avoid its popularity in the society and its negative effect on some softminded persons as u r claiming they MUST not be more than 5% in any population. So u both agree or accept the threat it might eventually portray if it is more popular than the normal, accepted and popular intimacy BTW a man and a woman. One of you even mentioned incest, what is the difference BTW incest gayship (whatever) let me ask... If you think a woman walking on the street uncladly is showcasing immorality and you agree that she should be cordoned off, I guess you should also condemn two men or women caressing, hugging romantically or kissing each other in a public domain. Then what is the essence of denying the one you called a lover an emotional touch when people are around. Another observation of mine is that, you are both underating the unpredictable nature of man. According to study, human is not designed to be static. Rather, he is designed to grow rapidly and that is why it is concluded in the study of human science that human's want is insatiable. Naturally, if you give man a space, man has a high tendency of expanding and growing. That is, if gaydom is given right acceptably in our society, its a matter of time, they will surpass the 5% you forecast here and brand it admiringly to be attractive to any one that gets hooked. Its a matter of time I mention again, and it still balls down to the extinction tendency I was referring to in my previous text. When WE were growing up, we used to assume that wearing undies, cleavage bearing and other similar stuffs were alien to our society that can never be popular but now, see our artistes and slay queens, they display their privates freely and peep accept it, love it and hail it. We even ask for more graciously, a typical example of what gay can grow to if not disvouraged. Believe me or not, if it Is accepted now and allowed, 50 yrs is too far for us to see it popular in our schools and dociety. It is that contagious! without.much lobby. You that you mentioned that gaydom is part of the strategies or measures put in place by some societies I'm not interested in, to reduce population or moderate it, well, be informed that the most populated country in the world is one of the world powers economically and that has to do with management and not overpopulation sah Lastly, it makes more sense to walk with two legs concurrently as a normal human being (if you have) than to crawl like a crocodile all in the name of self esteem, satisfaction or unguarded freedom. Safe broS!
Your whole argument, against me at least, is based on these two parts I bolded. So I will focus on them.
Please note, I DID NOT CLAIM. You're making it sound like something I just arbitrarily came up with. I told you that studies have shown that in every population, 5 to 10% of individuals in that population are gay. Do your research. If I am wrong, come back and tell me that I got the estimate wrong. Don't be saying "I claim" as if I just pulled the number from thin air.
Secondly, sexual orientation is not an addiction that one gets "hooked to" like you said. Because you're making it look like once a person is exposed to homosexuality or engages in homosexual behavior, the person cannot stop engaging in it again.
That is a blatant lie. Firstly, sexual orientation is not just about the sex. What makes someone a homosexual is not that he has sex with people of the same sex. What makes a person homosexual is that he has romantic/sexual attraction towards people of the same sex. A man can be homosexual even if he has not had sex with a man before. So a man can be having sex with other men, but if he doesn't have any feelings of romantic attraction towards men (just as a straight man may feel towards women), then he is not a homosexual. In the same way, a man can be having sex with women all his life but if he feels no romantic attraction towards women and has feelings of romantic attraction towards men then he is a homosexual whether he has had sex with men before or not.
If you had done an in-depth study and understood this fact, then maybe you would not have made this your post/comment.
There are some men who have had sex with other with other men, maybe because of their situation, for example, people in prolonged incarceration in prison who have no access to women or people who do it just for the sake of making money from it to solve financial issues. When these people come out of those situations, like when they get out of prison or their financial situation improves, they go back to having sex with women as they are romantically attracted to women.
There are straight men who have been raped by other men but they didn't become homosexual. There are boys who went to all boys schools and engaged in all those sexual frivolities rampant in those schools. Yet they still did not become homosexual.
So no matter the number of times a straight man continues to have sex with men, as long as he is actually straight, that is not what will make him gay. No matter the number of times a gay man continues to have sex with women, as long as he is actually gay, that is not what will make him straight whether he knows that he is gay or not.
It is not man that controls the population of gay people. It is nature that controls it.
Mariinee: Man didn't gain imperfection from sin! God intentionally created man to be imperfect because he does as he wishes. But, I agree that homosexuality is a birth defect.
About this imperfection, i wouldn't want to dulge in further but just help me analyse these statements and tell me the one you don't agree with me on. 1) God made man in his image 2) God created man to be immortal 3) God made man understand that the forbidden apple will make him die (become mortal) 4) God created sin but it entered the world through the serpent (devil) 5) Sin brought curse upon man and man lost their paradise to it.
The most irritating thing about you homosexual apologists is that you know the truth but embrace the lie.
Here you have just admitted that homosexuality is an anomaly and human sexuality is genetically determined and under hormonal influence. But you realize how damaging this truth can be to your argument so you subtly try to group perverts with left-handedness. Perverts because, for many homosexuals the act has no genetic basis, just a social one. If we follow your argument that sexual deviation is a result of genetic expression gone wrong, it is logical that we should seek correction. Stop trying to defend rubbish. Man is a specie that exhibits sexual dimorphism. Period. Male and female. There is no 'rainbow', no spectrum.
One last thing. I am all for progress, but the 'stone-age superstitions' you deride provided a framework that sustained homo sapiens for eons and ensured survival into the modern age. It does so still. Sex is important for the survival of the species. It is the reason you are alive. Your father did not rape another man in the ass. He impregnated your mother. Think about that. Your savannah dwelling ancestors were on to something and had more sense than you. What is sinister is how people like you unashamedly push such an evil agenda .
Load of rubbish.
Are there no people who have chosen celibacy over the years? Why have we continued to procreate, in spite of them?
You people make this old argument about gayism being a danger to the survival of species forgetting that even without gayism, survival will still be threatened by factors such as natural disasters and hazards. You also forget that a whole generation cannot be gay, nor all the heterosexuals in a generation fertile.
Gays are the least of the problems affecting survival. Gayism is not the reason for biodiversity depletion or carbon emissions or global warming or climate change. Those are the real threat to survival, not gayism.
The most irritating thing about you homosexual apologists is that you know the truth but embrace the lie.
Here you have just admitted that homosexuality is an anomaly and human sexuality is genetically determined and under hormonal influence. But you realize how damaging this truth can be to your argument so you subtly try to group perverts with left-handedness. Perverts because, for many homosexuals the act has no genetic basis, just a social one. If we follow your argument that sexual deviation is a result of genetic expression gone wrong, it is logical that we should seek correction. Stop trying to defend rubbish. Man is a specie that exhibits sexual dimorphism. Period. Male and female. There is no 'rainbow', no spectrum.
One last thing. I am all for progress, but the 'stone-age superstitions' you deride provided a framework that sustained homo sapiens for eons and ensured survival into the modern age. It does so still. Sex is important for the survival of the species. It is the reason you are alive. Your father did not rape another man in the ass. He impregnated your mother. Think about that. Your savannah dwelling ancestors were on to something and had more sense than you. What is sinister is how people like you unashamedly push such an evil agenda.
You have said a lot here, but I am still trying to understand your point as it relates to my posts or the issue under debate.
Your use of the term ' homosexual apologists' betrays your inability to grasp what is being debated here.
What exactly do you mean by ' homosexual apologists ' ?
For centuries , the black skinned people like you and I were considered unnatural, an anomaly, less human and more beast, worthy of enslavement, deserving no humane consideration, unworthy of citizenship in a civilized society, and the promoters of these ideas used the same silly stone age scriptures and superstitions to back up their claims.
For centuries, women , being , according to same old stone age scriptures, supposedly created from the rib of a man, were considered far less human, denied property rights, bought and sold like commodities, denied voting rights, the right to work, the right to lead, the right to drive, even the right to testify in court. It is worth noting that the same stone age superstitions were used to anchor and buttress these oppressive norms. Likewise, something as benign as left handedness was , and is still for some people, an anomaly, and even considered evil.
Let me ask you if those that fought vigorously for the abolition of slave trade or for civil rights in the United States can be derisively called Nigger apologists by you ? You , and people like you seem to have a learning deficiency as a result of the stone age garbage that fills your thinking faculties.
Let me repeat it again, in case you have comprehension issues. Homosexual people are born that way. I have given the simple biological explanation that an over abundance of female sex hormones in a man reverses the sexual orientation in such a man , and vice versa. Although a biological anomaly, the homosexual person is simply responding to their own NATURAL impulses, the same that you and I do . No one makes conscious choice to be homosexual. Simple.
Whatever your religious pretences are( pretence is the operative word), they are irrelevant to the biological facts.
Now, as per homosexuality being a sin, well, Is fornication not a sin too ? Is eating shrimp not a sin ? Is working on Saturdays not a sin ?
BTW, who died and made you god ? Who gave you the perogative to judge the alleged sins of others ?
Should you not labour to remove the log in thine own eyes , rather than to point at the spec in the eyes of others ?
Why is hate and prejudice the most fluid and valuable currencies of middle East Religions and Stone age superstitions ?
Your logic simply makes homosexuality normal, nature cant be seen abnormal if it decided to take another turn, in my opinion sexuality isn't inborn, a day old kid doesn't know his or her sexuality, they barely have no sexual attractions, they only grow to understand it
What I was trying to say is that to the homosexual person, he or she is just responding to their own NATURAL impulses, much the same way that heterosexual persons respond to their own natural impulses. Same way that a left-handed baby would naturally use the hand instead of the right hand.
Are there no people who have chosen celibacy over the years? Why have we continued to procreate, in spite of them?
You people make this old argument about gayism being a danger to the survival of species forgetting that even without gayism, survival will still be threatened by factors such as natural disasters and hazards. You also forget that a whole generation cannot be gay, nor all the heterosexuals in a generation fertile.
Gays are the least of the problems affecting survival. Gayism is not the reason for biodiversity depletion or carbon emissions or global warming or climate change. Those are the real threat to survival, not gayism.
Yeah. The guy defending heterosexuality is talking nonsense, but he who wants to stick his d..k in the sh..t hole makes sense. Go figure
Yeah. The guy defending heterosexuality is talking nonsense, but he who wants to stick his d..k in the sh..t hole makes sense. Go figure
Use your head, bro. My stance does not mean I am against heterosexuality.
Show me any portion in my post that suggests that I am against heterosexuality?
I just don't like when people argue without much consideration. If you want to argue, argue well. This issue is not about sexuality for me. It is about the shallow reasons people are giving to disregard an area as wide as sexuality.
I am a mathematician and I would be angry if someone reduces mathematics to mere calculations. That is the reason why many of the mathematics teachers make mathematics appear dull to their students. I hate lazy people. I hate lazy arguments. I like to point out weaknesses in argument. I am not homosexual but I will condemn a shallow argument anytime, any day, even if it means going against a heterosexual like myself.
LeHMaR: Al About this imperfection, i wouldn't want to dulge in further but just help me analyse these statements and tell me the one you don't agree with me on. 1) God made man in his image 2) God created man to be immortal 3) God made man understand that the forbidden apple will make him die (become mortal) 4) God created sin but it entered the world through the serpent (devil) 5) Sin brought curse upon man and man lo st their paradise to it.
1. God didn't make man in his image. That's something like a fallacy. No one has seen God and no one knows how he looks. Saying God created man in his image is like saying God made a clone of himself. 2. God didn't create man to be immortal. If he did, he wouldn't have created death. Do you know that heavenly beings like death and Satan had been created even before Adam was created? 3. Yes, he did. 4.Yes, sin came into the world through Satan. But, he wasn't a serpent. He just took on the image of a serpent because Adam already knew him. 5. Yes, sin did. But, that's why God gave a way for man to atone for his sins.
All these only goes to show that God didn't create man to be perfect. A perfect person doesn't make mistakes.
You have said a lot here, but I am still trying to understand your as it relates to my posts or the issue under debate.
You're use of the term ' homosexual apologists' betrays your inability to grasp the what is being debated here.
What exactly do you mean by ' homosexual apologists ' ?
For centuries , the black skinned people like you and were considered unnatural, an anomaly, less human and more beast, worthy of enslavement, deserving the humane consideration, unworthy of citizenship in a civilized society, and the promoters of these ideas used the same silly stone age scriptures and superstitions to back up their claims.
For centuries, women , being , according to same old stone age scriptures, supposedly created from the rib of a man, were considered far less human, denied property rights, bought and sold like commodities, denied voting rights, the right work, the right lead, the right drive, even the right to testify in court, again using same stone age superstitions as anchor to buttress these oppressive norms. Likewise, something as benign as left handedness was , and is still for some people, an anomaly, and even considered evil.
Let me ask you if those that fought vigorously for the abolition of slave trade or for civil rights in the United States can be derisively called Nigger apologists by you ? You , and people like you seem to have a learning deficiency as a result of the stone age garbage that fills your thinking faculties.
Let me repeat it again, in case you have comprehension issues. Homosexual people are born that way. I have given the simple biological explanation that an over abundance of female sex hormones in a man reverses the sexual orientation in such a man , and vice versa. Although a biological anomaly, the homosexual person is simply responding to their own NATURAL impulses, the same that you and I do . No one makes conscious choice to be homosexual. Simple.
Whatever your religious pretences are( pretence is the operative word), they are irrelevant to the biological facts.
Now, as per homosexuality being a sin, well, Is fornication not a sin too ? Is eating shrimp not a sin ? Is working on Saturdays not a sin ?
BTW, who died and made you god ? Who gave you the perogative to judge the alleged sins of others ?
Should you not labour to remove the log in thine own eyes , rather than to point at the spec in the eyes of others ?
Why is hate and prejudice the most fluid and valuable currencies of middle East Religions and Stone age superstitions ?
Despite the fact I don't support homosexuality, I also believe all humans should be treated with the utmost respect. The Christian scriptures does not support homophobia remembering the golden rule.
Any heterosexual who engages in sex outside marriage and thinks he is morally superior to lash out at gays is simply a hypocrite. Both are condemned in the Bible and if we were still under the Mosaic Law, both will be stoned to death. There is no partiality with God unlike the self righteous homophobes. Singling out gays is simply bullying.
However, you saying racism and homophobia are similar is just wrong. Plain wrong.
You can't change your skin colour but you have the ability to change your sexual orientation. In ancient Rome, men had young boys as sexual slaves, boys as young as 10 years and it was perfectly legal. Does that make it right? There are those disposed to sleeping with minors. Does that make it right?
We humans have a constant battle to do what is right. Even you, an atheist, has a conscience, the closest thing to a religious radar. It nags us until we do what is right.
I do feel for gays and one should. Self righteous condemnation of them is wrong or even evil.
One of my closest pals is gay. He knows my views and has come to respect them.
He once asked me what would I do if my younger brother turned out to be gay and I rejected it.
He was slightly disappointed and asked was surprised at my disapproval.
I told him I want his niece to become a Jehovah's Witness. He said I should not go there O! He teasingly told me to be careful.
Klinee: A gay is a person who feel like to lie sexually with the person of the same gender, who lie sexually with the person of the same gender or who sees nothing wrong in lying sexually with person of the same gender. So reading so far through this thread you will discover that evil have taken over the world. like I said before the only solution to this gayism is death penalty by hanging so as to save the future generations
I laugh at U; as much as you and many others want to agree that gayism as u call it is not genetic. That's to mean gays are children of straight parents. U want to hang to safe the future generations (that include Ur offsprings abi?). you don't have one or more gays as children, cos I be glad to read the news headline like "Man hangs son for being Gay". Then I say "Yes Klinee has done it"
The most irritating thing about you homosexual apologists is that you know the truth but embrace the lie.
Here you have just admitted that homosexuality is an anomaly and human sexuality is genetically determined and under hormonal influence. But you realize how damaging this truth can be to your argument so you subtly try to group perverts with left-handedness. Perverts because, for many homosexuals the act has no genetic basis, just a social one. If we follow your argument that sexual deviation is a result of genetic expression gone wrong, it is logical that we should seek correction. Stop trying to defend rubbish. Man is a specie that exhibits sexual dimorphism. Period. Male and female. There is no 'rainbow', no spectrum.
One last thing. I am all for progress, but the 'stone-age superstitions' you deride provided a framework that sustained homo sapiens for eons and ensured survival into the modern age. It does so still. Sex is important for the survival of the species. It is the reason you are alive. Your father did not rape another man in the ass. He impregnated your mother. Think about that. Your savannah dwelling ancestors were on to something and had more sense than you. What is sinister is how people like you unashamedly push such an evil agenda.
Homosexuality IS a sexual deviancy for the simple reason it is deviant behaviour from societal norms. Where is the lie being embraced? Hell, you could argue anal sexx between men and women is deviant behaviour. Or MouthAction is deviant behaviour. Majority of men are even turned on by women having sex even though they turn to hypocrites thinking about men doing so. The fundamental question is HOW. IS. IT. YOUR. bleeping. BUSINESS? Why can't you self-righteous hypocrites mind your damn business? Are you this pre-occupied with other sinful violations of your religious myths?
Oh, and homosexuality is as old as human civilization. Even our ape ancestors weren't spared the act. Only historical illiterates think it is some new fad infesting society. This just happens to be the time in history when the entire civilized world have learnt to be tolerant of it while the shiitholes of the planet ostracize, imprison, execute and even publicly lynch homosexuals. That is the part of the world that has "sense" according to you.
And no, we aren't promoting an "evil agenda". We're defending the civil liberties and personal dignity of fellow human beings. And we try to understand what could possibly drive their deviancy without adding our illiterate preconceptions and judging with self-righteous piety. Evil people are those who have no empathy. Evil people are hateful hypocrites. Evil people are vile bigots always searching for reasons to divide and hate. Evil people discriminate. YOU and every god-forsaken hateful hypocrite are evil.
Obi1kenobi: Majority of studied mammal species have been observed with homosexual behaviour. Many people don't know this, but Google is your friend. The closest animal relative to humans, the bonobos which share 98.7% of human DNA, have a very high incidence of homosexual behaviour. Infact, majority of bonobos are bisexual.
To assert so confidently that there is no biological link to homosexuality is profoundly stupid. For one, none of those making such claims here are experts in the field. Secondly, if homosexuality has no genetic links and that is supposed to prove it is "unnatural", then even heterosexuality and generally sexuality is an unnatural phenomenon that we all learn, rather than acquiring it naturally. Where this doesn't make sense is the simple fact we are all exposed to the same things in life, but some people still become homosexual. If you have never made a choice in your life to be heterosexual and you can't recall anytime you had to be compelled to make that choice, it would make no sense to pass judgement on anyone who feels differently. I simply grew up attracted to girls and never made a choice to be attracted to girls. So this begs the question: why would I judge someone's sexual inclination when I've never been subjected to such a choice. Some people lack either the empathy, or frankly the intelligence, to ask themselves such a fundamental question.
The most irritating are the religious fanatics who can't understand that contrary to what they tell you in church, not everything created "is good". Or normal. Everyday on my way to work, there was this beggar, a little girl, I used to pass under a bridge with a tumour on her jaw the size of her head. I always felt like crying to see someone so small suffer so much. I haven't seen her for a long time. She's probably dead. There was nothing beautiful or good or normal about her life. Many are born with ailments. With leukemia. With diabetes. With organ defects. With heart conditions. With Downs syndrome. With autism. With cleft palates and lips. With club foot. People are born with male and female sex organs. People even get persecuted for being born left-handed. A friend of mine when I was in primary school got a lot of knocks and slaps for instinctively stretching out his left hand to give or receive things.
Mind you, there are host of things we accept are natural for which no gene has been isolated as the cause. Like left-handedness. That such a gene is undiscovered doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Genetic biology is a very complex field. But again, to sit behind your computer typing so confidently that no genetic/biological/hormonal link determines sexuality is profoundly stuupid.
Homosexuality IS a sexual deviancy for the simple reason it is deviant behaviour from societal norms. Where is the lie being embraced? Hell, you could argue anal sexx between men and women is deviant behaviour. Or MouthAction is deviant behaviour. Majority of men are even turned on by women having sex even though they turn to hypocrites thinking about men doing so. The fundamental question is HOW. IS. IT. YOUR. bleeping. BUSINESS? Why can't you self-righteous hypocrites mind your damn business? Are you this pre-occupied with other sinful violations of your religious myths?
Oh, and homosexuality is as old as human civilization. Even our ape ancestors weren't spared the act. Only historical illiterates think it is some new fad infesting society. This just happens to be the time in history when the entire civilized world have learnt to be tolerant of it while the shiitholes of the planet ostracize, imprison, execute and even publicly lynch homosexuals. That is the part of the world that has "sense" according to you.
And no, we aren't promoting an "evil agenda". We're defending the civil liberties and personal dignity of fellow human beings. And we try to understand what could possibly drive their deviancy without adding our illiterate preconceptions and judging with self-righteous piety. Evil people are those who have no empathy. Evil people are hateful hypocrites. Evil people are vile bigots always searching for reasons to divide and hate. Evil people discriminate. YOU and every god-forsaken hateful hypocrite are evil.
Despite the fact I don't support homosexuality, I also believe all humans should be treated with the utmost respect. The Christian scriptures does not support homophobia remembering the golden rule.
Any heterosexual who engages in sex outside marriage and thinks he is morally superior to lash out at gays is simply a hypocrite. Both are condemned in the Bible and if we were still under the Mosaic Law, both will be stoned to death. There is no partiality with God unlike the self righteous homophobes. Singling out gays is simply bullying.
However, you saying racism and homophobia are similar is just wrong. Plain wrong.
You can't change your skin colour but you have the ability to change your sexual orientation. In ancient Rome, men had young boys as sexual slaves, boys as young as 10 years and it was perfectly legal. Does that make it right? There are those disposed to sleeping with minors. Does that make it right?
We humans have a constant battle to do what is right. Even you, an atheist, has a conscience, the closest thing to a religious radar. It nags us until we do what is right.
I do feel for gays and one should. Self righteous condemnation of them is wrong or even evil.
One of my closest pals is gay. He knows my views and has come to respect them.
He once asked me what would I do if my younger brother turned out to be gay and I rejected it.
He was slightly disappointed and asked was surprised at my disapproval.
I told him I want his niece to become a Jehovah's Witness. He said I should not go there O! He teasingly told me to be careful.
So, you can see that gays discriminate too
I agree with most what you have said here, except for the one about one being able to change one's sexual orientation. Since the anomaly is biological, only a biochemical therapy of some sort would be theoretically possible. There is yet no known scientific research showing that it is a disease that needs curing.
Also, prejudice and discrimination, whether for racial, tribal, religilous, gender or sexual orientation is the same. It requires the same mindset, and usually the same level of ignorance.
My point has always been that as black Africans, we have been the most discriminated against , and the most maltreated race on the planet. As such, We should be more vigilant, more sensitive, more sympathetic to any human beings who are going through the same rejections, same discriminations and same prejudices that we have endured for many centuries in the hands of people wielding stone age scriptures . Simple.
I joined both of u together cos of my observation, you share the same school of thought on the topic of discourse, so I don't want to duplicate my text for time's reason. Are you also of the opinion that same-sex sexual attraction is natural or adopted habit? If natural, kindly prove with reference and state how it is scientifically or biologically proven.
I'm not a geneticist or biologist of any kind. I have no evidence that sexuality has anything to do with genetic inheritance. You don't either. That is irrelevant. I believe hormonal imbalances account for our sexual orientation: the same thing that makes some men effeminate and some woman masculine. Take a good look at Caster Semenya, a woman who produces excess testosterone to rival a man and then tell me you're surprised that she has a wife.
If it is not, and its adopted based on precedence, why then do u think it should be encouraged when it is not socially accepted in ur first society? Let me come from the perspective of morals first; morality is defined according to an online dictionary as an act that promotes the goodness of a society. It is also defined as the differentiation of intentions, decisions and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper. There are some things that we can desire either naturally or lustfully that will irritate the society we belong to, the best thing you do as a right thinking person is to avoid such either publicly, or privately as much as possible even though it might not be easy but better still, let go! There are other legal immoralities that exist but pple that indulge in them try as much as possible to be discreet about them. An example is porn watching or acting... they rate it 18 so that underage will not have access to it, it is a condemnable immoral act to the large society but larger part of the society that condemns it publicly while watch it privately. Masturbation is a similar act. Now, do we now suggest that they legalise gaydom and quarantine the practitioners to avoid its popularity in the society and its negative effect on some softminded persons as u r claiming they MUST not be more than 5% in any population. So u both agree or accept the threat it might eventually portray if it is more popular than the normal, accepted and popular intimacy BTW a man and a woman. One of you even mentioned incest, what is the difference BTW incest gayship (whatever) let me ask... If you think a woman walking on the street uncladly is showcasing immorality and you agree that she should be cordoned off, I guess you should also condemn two men or women caressing, hugging romantically or kissing each other in a public domain. Then what is the essence of denying the one you called a lover an emotional touch when people are around.
You don't have to "encourage" anything. You just have to mind your business as I do. There are far more important things in life to me than what hole people stick their diicks in. Nigeria is a moral cesspit of the most dishonest people in the world, who think morality has anything to do with sexual propriety. Majority of the things you're citing don't bother me in the least, cos I mind my damn business. I value individuals for their honesty, humanity and empathy, intelligence etc. Their sexual orientation is worthless to me in measuring the value of a man.
Another observation of mine is that, you are both underating the unpredictable nature of man. According to study, human is not designed to be static. Rather, he is designed to grow rapidly and that is why it is concluded in the study of human science that human's want is insatiable. Naturally, if you give man a space, man has a high tendency of expanding and growing. That is, if gaydom is given right acceptably in our society, its a matter of time, they will surpass the 5% you forecast here and brand it admiringly to be attractive to any one that gets hooked. Its a matter of time I mention again, and it still balls down to the extinction tendency I was referring to in my previous text. When WE were growing up, we used to assume that wearing undies, cleavage bearing and other similar stuffs were alien to our society that can never be popular but now, see our artistes and slay queens, they display their privates freely and peep accept it, love it and hail it. We even ask for more graciously, a typical example of what gay can grow to if not disvouraged. Believe me or not, if it Is accepted now and allowed, 50 yrs is too far for us to see it popular in our schools and dociety. It is that contagious! without.much lobby. You that you mentioned that gaydom is part of the strategies or measures put in place by some societies I'm not interested in, to reduce population or moderate it, well, be informed that the most populated country in the world is one of the world powers economically and that has to do with management and not overpopulation sah Lastly, it makes more sense to walk with two legs concurrently as a normal human being (if you have) than to crawl like a crocodile all in the name of self esteem, satisfaction or unguarded freedom. Safe broS!
The emboldened is an example of the hypocrisy of Nigerians that drives me crazy. Many Nigerians are so delusional, they believe their society was this upstanding paragon of virtue before evil oyinbo came here to teach us bad tin. My mum recently was supporting a priest who sent out a girl in church for wearing a skirt below her knees. Yet, I remember seeing a picture of her in the 70's where she had an afro and mini-skirt and it wasn't taboo. People of the disco era were funky as hell. I also asked her what her ancestors wore before the missionaries came and she went mute. I'm Igbo and our pre-colonial ancestors barely wore clothes. Just some basic stuff around the loins and often naked breeasts. Yet, they thought themselves virtuous. Nigerians are such self-righteous hypocrites.
Again, human survival is not dependent on sexuality. If anything, the population of the planet needs to reduce, or at least stall, for the survival of the planet. Lakes and rivers are drying up. Deserts are encroaching vegetated space. Sea levels are rising. Several animal species have gone extinct. And yet, Africans continue to breed like rats. The least of my concerns is how homosexuality threatens human expansion.
I laugh at U; as much as you and many others want to agree that gayism as u call it is not genetic. That's to mean gays are children of straight parents. U want to hang to safe the future generations (that include Ur offsprings abi?). you don't have one or more gays as children, cos I be glad to read the news headline like "Man hangs son for being Gay". Then I say "Yes Klinee has done it"
There are many stories like that man! where a man shoot his son for being gay. Gay is very barbaric and no parents will like to have such barbaric child, so it's far more better to eliminate an evil than to allow evil to override you
I agree with most what you have said here, except for the one about one being able to change one's sexual orientation. Since the anomaly is biological, only a biochemical therapy of some sort would be theoretically possible. There is yet no known scientific research showing that it is a disease that needs curing.
Also, prejudice and discrimination, whether for racial, tribal, religilous, gender or sexual orientation is the same. It requires the same mindset, and usually the same level of ignorance.
My point has always been that as black Africans, we have been the most discriminated against , and the most maltreated race on the planet. As such, We should be more vigilant, more sensitive, more sympathetic to any human beings who are going through the same rejections, same discriminations and same prejudices that we have endured for many centuries in the hands of people wielding stone age scriptures . Simple.
This is the point I always try to make.
Before being homophobic why not think of how you would feel if a white person was being racist to you,and then relate it to this verse in your bible
"DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU"
if you don't like people to discriminate you don't discriminate others too,no matter how irritating they might look to you
1. God didn't make man in his image. That's something like a fallacy. No one has seen God and no one knows how he looks. Saying God created man in his image is like saying God made a clone of himself. 2. God didn't create man to be immortal. If he did, he wouldn't have created death. Do you know that heavenly beings like death and Satan had been created even before Adam was created? 3. Yes, he did. 4.Yes, sin came into the world through Satan. But, he wasn't a serpent. He just took on the image of a serpent because Adam already knew him. 5. Yes, sin did. But, that's why God gave a way for man to atone for his sins.
All these only goes to show that God didn't create man to be perfect. A perfect person doesn't make mistakes.
1) read Gen 1:26, the word image in that passage doesn't have to mean looks or physical appearance, read a dictionary.. It comes with all attributes of God. Unless you don't believe in the bible 2) immortality was part of the image God was talking about. Unless you don't believe that God is immortal. His initial plan for man was never death.. He created death as a punishment for the fall.. Gen 1:27, Song/wisdom of solomon 2:23. 4) i said serpent because i assumed you know the story, of course it was the devil. 5) Man atoned for his but that didn't lift the curse, i know this because 'man' still till the ground for food, women still labour in childbirth and the serpent still have no legs.. So I Still say it again, man was created man to be perfect, good and immortal but man lost all these to sin.. Simple
This GIRL is a baboon. She expects people to contribute to her threads, but starts insulting them when their their opinions are different from hers. Someone took his time to counter your post intelligently, but since you don't have any valid point to reply with, you settled for being rude. This chronic fvcktard actually read UDU.J's comment, but since she's an unintelligent baboon that can't comprehend and reply his comment with valid points, she decided to lie that he copied and pasted it so she didn't read it.
I'm not a geneticist or biologist of any kind. I have no evidence that sexuality has anything to do with genetic inheritance. You don't either. That is irrelevant. I believe hormonal imbalances account for our sexual orientation: the same thing that makes some men effeminate and some woman masculine. Take a good look at Caster Semenya, a woman who produces excess testosterone to rival a man and then tell me you're surprised that she has a wife.
You don't have to "encourage" anything. You just have to mind your business as I do. There are far more important things in life to me than what hole people stick their diicks in. Nigeria is a moral cesspit of the most dishonest people in the world, who think morality has anything to do with sexual propriety. Majority of the things you're citing don't bother me in the least, cos I mind my damn business. I value individuals for their honesty, humanity and empathy, intelligence etc. Their sexual orientation is worthless to me in measuring the value of a man.
The emboldened is an example of the hypocrisy of Nigerians that drives me crazy. Many Nigerians are so delusional, they believe their society was this upstanding paragon of virtue before evil oyinbo came here to teach us bad tin. My mum recently was supporting a priest who sent out a girl in church for wearing a skirt below her knees. Yet, I remember seeing a picture of her in the 70's where she had an afro and mini-skirt and it wasn't taboo. People of the disco era were funky as hell. I also asked her what her ancestors wore before the missionaries came and she went mute. I'm Igbo and our pre-colonial ancestors barely wore clothes. Just some basic stuff around the loins and often naked breeasts. Yet, they thought themselves virtuous. Nigerians are such self-righteous hypocrites.
Again, human survival is not dependent on sexuality. If anything, the population of the planet needs to reduce, or at least stall, for the survival of the planet. Lakes and rivers are drying up. Deserts are encroaching vegetated space. Sea levels are rising. Several animal species have gone extinct. And yet, Africans continue to breed like rats. The least of my concerns is how homosexuality threatens human expansion.
Your whole argument, against me at least, is based on these two parts I bolded. So I will focus on them.
Please note, I DID NOT CLAIM. You're making it sound like something I just arbitrarily came up with. I told you that studies have shown that in every population, 5 to 10% of individuals in that population are gay. Do your research. If I am wrong, come back and tell me that I got the estimate wrong. Don't be saying "I claim" as if I just pulled the number from thin air.
Secondly, sexual orientation is not an addiction that one gets "hooked to" like you said. Because you're making it look like once a person is exposed to homosexuality or engages in homosexual behavior, the person cannot stop engaging in it again.
That is a blatant lie. Firstly, sexual orientation is not just about the sex. What makes someone a homosexual is not that he has sex with people of the same sex. What makes a person homosexual is that he has romantic/sexual attraction towards people of the same sex. A man can be homosexual even if he has not had sex with a man before. So a man can be having sex with other men, but if he doesn't have any feelings of romantic attraction towards men (just as a straight man may feel towards women), then he is not a homosexual. In the same way, a man can be having sex with women all his life but if he feels no romantic attraction towards women and has feelings of romantic attraction towards men then he is a homosexual whether he has had sex with men before or not.
If you had done an in-depth study and understood this fact, then maybe you would not have made this your post/comment.
There are some men who have had sex with other with other men, maybe because of their situation, for example, people in prolonged incarceration in prison who have no access to women or people who do it just for the sake of making money from it to solve financial issues. When these people come out of those situations, like when they get out of prison or their financial situation improves, they go back to having sex with women as they are romantically attracted to women.
There are straight men who have been raped by other men but they didn't become homosexual. There are boys who went to all boys schools and engaged in all those sexual frivolities rampant in those schools. Yet they still did not become homosexual.
So no matter the number of times a straight man continues to have sex with men, as long as he is actually straight, that is not what will make him gay. No matter the number of times a gay man continues to have sex with women, as long as he is actually gay, that is not what will make him straight whether he knows that he is gay or not.
It is not man that controls the population of gay people. It is nature that controls it.
We all care about our existence and our individuals here, I believe the reason we are trying hard to enlighten ourselves on what can save human race and protect the special ones among us. To my understanding and reach, I think it is yet to be proven that gay is genetic in nature. The best known result from various researches so far is that sexual orientation may extend to DNA as a result of time. If we are debating on nature, human race and society, I think values and importance should be prioritised. Priority in the sense that; what value is an invention/innovation adding to our existence and coexistence. If we consider value, then we think of the disadvantage as it concerns the importance. I stand to learn here one importance of gay marriage as it promotes the human race or the economic value of our first society. This should bother me much before thinking of its adverse effect. To my understanding, I think homosexuality is more of an environmental influence than the genetic or biological affiliation. I'm not here to judge anybody but of the school of thought an act that is generally unacceptable to ur first society nor add significant value to yourself is worthwhile of dropping. The only reason I will agree with any one that is attracted to same sex partner and gets desperate to live with it, is obviously selfishness, ego and probably inability to engage self control as he finds the abuse of freedom / freewill a pleasure. It is recorded that some people have lost their lives through suicide because they were not given 'assumed' right of choice, I mean the opportunity to practise homosexuality, the act that can be easily controlled and forgotten if you really want to discipline yourself. Homosexuality to me is just a mere fantasy grown into habit and later nature. It is even claimed that smoking as an habit can be hereditary as a matter of time as it donates some impactful chemical to the genes and can be distributed down the chain. We all know that smoking can not affecting anybody other than the person that smokes directly just like same sex marriage. You might want to argue that cigarette smoke can affect close by people but as the smoke from firewood can affect same people. Authorities try as much as possible to caution smokers but do u know what, the population and rate continue growing outrageously. Just like the way the act in question can grow. Assuming the authorities have deemed it fit to eradicate that at earlier stage, may be cigarette wouldn't have joined the list of killer habit. Anyway, let's wait till the time it will be scientifically proven that samesex relationship can endanger human race, may be that's when it will be popular that the unnecessary act needs to.stop. And as for u asking how it will affect human race, tell me first, the valid reason you need to marry aan like you, then I will advance in my unnecessary research.
mhisbliss: Wao its brave of you to point it out that you got involved in it at a time in your life, Would you say you did that because its in you from birth? Or because of the environment you found yourself, secondly how did you stop it? Because if it is natural as most people are trying to claim here, you wouldn't have been able to stop it, so how did you change?
It wasn't even induced by my environment. I had never seen nor heard anything like that happening anywhere then. But I remember clearly that it was a period that the other boy and myself used to be alone in the house all the time. I can't even remember what experiment we were undertaking that developed in the act. But perhaps we couldn't practice it for a long time after the period was over (it was a summer holiday period), it went away naturally. It's not even something I remember quite easily again. If not for some comments about being born or not being born with homosexuality that I read here, I wouldn't have remembered that I was involved before though I was around 10 at the time. I think humans have the tendency to do that which is natural or unnatural both at 50%. Whichever one they choose however, is what is considered as 'attitude' etc. As we have instincts to do good, so also there are instincts to do evil but we develop the one we focus on more and that's what define us even to the level of sexuality.
jessca048: if you say it is unnatural then what do you say about animals that practice homosexual practices too
Now consider other natural habits (aside from homosexuality) animals exhibit that humans must refrain from (even if it require some effort):
Some eat their offsprings for food. Some mate (corpulate, breed) with their siblings, parents and grand parents. Some kill suckling babies to make nursing mothers go into heat and ready for mating. Some are even known to "hump" inanimate objects such as rocks and tree roots!
Should humans do these because they are natural to animals?
Lolz. A fool does as a fool will. Can't afford to learn anything new as he'd rather stick to dogma. Also can't put up a sane argument or compose intelligible sentences. I'm just going to walk away from this.
You're daft. The funny thing is that I never referenced or mentioned bible in my post. But this mumu who is fixated on the Bible as he is obviously fixated in the anal stage of his development and the reason he is a gay -ref: Sigmund Freud Psychoanalytic Theory. Soon your pedophile father who raped your mother at 9yrs to beget a fool will soon want us to believe he is born a pedophile and thus should be allowed to continue molesting children.
In the meantime look for something and stick in your anus and feel good. I hope you're wearing your diapers.
Now consider other natural habits (aside from homosexuality) animals exhibit that humans must refrain from (even if it require some effort):
Some eat their offsprings for food. Some mate (corpulate, breed) with their siblings, parents and grand parents. Some kill suckling babies to make nursing mothers go into heat and ready for mating. Some are even known to "hump" inanimate objects such as rocks and tree roots!
Should humans do these because they are natural to animals?
we are not saying that you should do EVERYTHING animals do,nor are we saying that you shouldn't do ANYTHING that animals do we are saying that homosexuality also exists in animals so it is not something humans invented it is something NATURE invented
mhisbliss: I came across a thread where a guy claimed he discovered his sister is a lesbian, some of the comments on that thread got me annoyed and amused, most of the comments were "She's born that way, its natural" i know that this comment is influenced by the western world but we're not like them, we have norms, culture and a way of life, and we're supposed to be who we are.
Theres no evidence anywhere to prove that homosexuality is natural, it cannot be genetically or biologically defined, theres no gene responsible for homosexuality, and nothing about the human anatomy suggests homosexuality is natural, if you examine the male and female sex organ you'd know that it is designed to complement each other, and to reproduce, both needs to work together, therefore by design, we're supposed to be heterosexual not homosexual,
Our culture frowns at it, it is clearly unafrican, abnormal and every religion frowns at it, including christianity Romans 1:26–27 follows this same reasoning. Paul says that men abandoned the natural sexual function of women and engaged in unnatural sex with men. His words make it clear that homosexual behavior is unnatural because it is a rejection of God’s design for sex. Homosexual desire, then, would also be unnatural for the same reason: it drives people to abandon the natural design and function of human sexuality.
No one is born gay, its a psychological and societal problem and it needs to be curtailed as soon as it is discovered.
Sango says the truth to you today, the Bible doesn't speak to homosexuals in Romans 1 but Sodomites. Sodomites are cult prostitutes like the worshipers of Cybelle, the mother goddess, a satanic spirit that they performed all sorts of sodomy rites in order to fuel their local economy. In Greece it was the worship of Alphoditess that spawn their rebellion to the Most High, engaging in sodomy, which is oral, anal sex, along with sex with animals. This is what sodomy is, it's legal definition. This what corrupts the society. These are the propagators of sexual deviance, sexual disease and corruption high places, temple prostitutes.
Sacred prostitution, temple prostitution, cult prostitution,[1] and religious prostitution are general terms for a sexual rite consisting of sexual intercourse or other sexual activity performed in the context of religious worship, perhaps as a form of fertility rite
Temple prostitutes as spoken of by Dr. Francis Cress Wesling when she points out the 9 areas of human activity controlled by the sodomites cults of Roman empire under Freemasonry, Eastern Stars, SkullnBones, Bohemian Grove, Greek Letter Organizations, Catholic Anglican, Episcopal Church Nuns and Priesthoods, College cults formed at Universities under Greek deity worship.
The Sodomites, cult prostitutes scatted out in all the 9 areas and are in control.
1. Economics 2. Education 3. Entertainment 4. Labor 5. Law 6. Politics 7. Religion 8. Sex 9. War/Counter-War
you don't have one or more gays as children, cos I be glad to read the news headline like "Man hangs son for being Gay". Then I say "Yes Klinee has done it" 
