Maamin:


Did your Allah saw when the goat was eating some of his book? Why didn't your Allah extend his power to protect the bible from being corrupted or wait...it's all lies that the bible is even corrupt.

adefolakol:
I've told you about the usage of Raf'a, check other translation and compare.

I don't need to repeat my self

adefolakol:


No solid evidence on this bro...you referred me to a Christian website for a proof.

Maamin:


Did your Allah saw when the goat was eating some of his book? Why didn't your Allah extend his power to protect the bible from being corrupted or wait...it's all lies that the bible is even corrupt.

Maamin:


Have you seen that I did not add body and soul that was how it was interpreted in your noble quran, not my words but the words of your Allah.

Be there talking about rafa.

Me am done.

adefolakol:


If you want to test the protection of Holy Qur'an, try burning one...Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.(Q15 vs 9)

adefolakol:


Bring other translations and let's compare

DIYhackers:

It didn't say religious it's about coming to Jesus.

Maamin:


Show me any other prophet apart from Jesus with the exact claim? Both from quran or bible.

Who said and wrote those stories in the quran?
Was it your Allah?
Was it jibril?
Was it muhammed?
Was it his followers?
Was it the caliphs?

Mind you the stories sounds similar to what existed 600years before it.

Gbemishile1:


The Glorious Qur’an, the Muslims’ religious
Scripture, was
revealed in Arabic to the Prophet Muhammad
(p) through the angel Gabriel.
The revelation occurred piecemeal, over a
period of twenty-three years, sometimes in brief verses and sometimes in
longer chapters
Upon receiving revelation, the Prophet (p)
engaged himself in the duty
of conveying the message to his Companions
through reciting the exact
words he heard in their exact order. This is
evident in his inclusion of even the words of Allah which were directed
specifically to him,for example: “Qul” (“Say [to the people,O Muhammad]”). The Qur’an’s rhythmic style and eloquent expression
make it easy to memorize.
The Prophet (p) encouraged his Companions to learn each verse that was revealed and transmit it to others. The Qur’an was also required to be recited regularly as an act of worship, especially during the daily meditative prayers (salat). Through these means, many repeatedly heard passages from the revelation recited to them, memorized them and used them in prayer. The entire Qur’an was memorized verbatim (word for word) by some of the Prophet’s Companions.
Among them were Zaid ibn Thabit, Ubayy ibn Ka’b, Mu’adh ibn Jabal, and Abu Zaid.
the sequence or order of the Qur’an was arranged by the Prophet (p) himself and was also well-known to the Companions. Each Ramadan, the Prophet (p) would repeat after the angel Gabriel (reciting) the entire Qur’an in its exact order as far as it had been revealed,while in the presence of a number of his Companions. In the year of his death, he recited it twice. Thereby, the order of verses in each chapter and the order of the chapters became reinforced in the memories of each of the Companions present. As the Companions spread out to various
provinces with different populations,
they took their recitations with them in order to instruct others
In this way, the same Qur’an became widely
retained in the memories of many people across vast and diverse areas of land. Indeed, memorization of the Qur’an emerged into a continuous tradition across the centuries, with centers/schools for
memorization being established across the Muslim world. The Qur’an is the only book, religious or secular, that has been memorized completely by millions of people.

“(This is) the revelation of the book(quran) in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the
worlds. Will they say: ‘He has forged it!’ Nay, it
is the Truth from the Lord ...”. (32:2-3)
“But Allah bears witness that what He has
revealed to you (O Muhammad), He has revealed from His own knowledge, and the
angels bear witness (to it), but sufficient is
Allah for witness”. (4:166).
“And you (O Muhammad) did not recite any
book before this, nor you were able to
transcribe one with your right hand. In that case, indeed those who talk vanity could have
doubted.” (29:48).

The reasons why there were stories in the quran was
1. To remind the people of what happened to the previous nations that rejected the teachings of their prophets.
2.the non believers actually went to meet the prophet to ask 'you claim to be a prophet sent by Allah,tell us what happened to the previous nations before us if you are truthful'
so Allah revealed them

Gbemishile1:


The Glorious Qur’an, the Muslims’ religious
Scripture, was
revealed in Arabic to the Prophet Muhammad
(p) through the angel Gabriel.
The revelation occurred piecemeal, over a
period of twenty-three years, sometimes in brief verses and sometimes in
longer chapters
Upon receiving revelation, the Prophet (p)
engaged himself in the duty
of conveying the message to his Companions
through reciting the exact
words he heard in their exact order. This is
evident in his inclusion of even the words of Allah which were directed
specifically to him,for example: “Qul” (“Say [to the people,O Muhammad]”). The Qur’an’s rhythmic style and eloquent expression
make it easy to memorize.
The Prophet (p) encouraged his Companions to learn each verse that was revealed and transmit it to others. The Qur’an was also required to be recited regularly as an act of worship, especially during the daily meditative prayers (salat). Through these means, many repeatedly heard passages from the revelation recited to them, memorized them and used them in prayer. The entire Qur’an was memorized verbatim (word for word) by some of the Prophet’s Companions.
Among them were Zaid ibn Thabit, Ubayy ibn Ka’b, Mu’adh ibn Jabal, and Abu Zaid.
the sequence or order of the Qur’an was arranged by the Prophet (p) himself and was also well-known to the Companions. Each Ramadan, the Prophet (p) would repeat after the angel Gabriel (reciting) the entire Qur’an in its exact order as far as it had been revealed,while in the presence of a number of his Companions. In the year of his death, he recited it twice. Thereby, the order of verses in each chapter and the order of the chapters became reinforced in the memories of each of the Companions present. As the Companions spread out to various
provinces with different populations,
they took their recitations with them in order to instruct others
In this way, the same Qur’an became widely
retained in the memories of many people across vast and diverse areas of land. Indeed, memorization of the Qur’an emerged into a continuous tradition across the centuries, with centers/schools for
memorization being established across the Muslim world. The Qur’an is the only book, religious or secular, that has been memorized completely by millions of people.

“(This is) the revelation of the book(quran) in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the
worlds. Will they say: ‘He has forged it!’ Nay, it
is the Truth from the Lord ...”. (32:2-3)
“But Allah bears witness that what He has
revealed to you (O Muhammad), He has revealed from His own knowledge, and the
angels bear witness (to it), but sufficient is
Allah for witness”. (4:166).
“And you (O Muhammad) did not recite any
book before this, nor you were able to
transcribe one with your right hand. In that case, indeed those who talk vanity could have
doubted.” (29:48).

The reasons why there were stories in the quran was
1. To remind the people of what happened to the previous nations that rejected the teachings of their prophets.
2.the non believers actually went to meet the prophet to ask 'you claim to be a prophet sent by Allah,tell us what happened to the previous nations before us if you are truthful'
so Allah revealed them

Maamin:


believe him as what? Son of Mary

Even shaitan believes in that and even more

bahaushe1:


As servant and messenger of Allah to Children of Israel.

Maamin:


Fine, can you discuss about the part of the quran that Urthman burnt and destroyed and also the part Aisha supposed to have said were eaten by a tamed goat?
The part that were abrogated and caused to be forgotten as well.

Maamin:



The same way you have no evidence for all your allegation against Christianity.

Didn't your quran says Allah raised Jesus to himself without him passing through death?


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Ken4Christ:


You have no redemption. I feel very sorry for you because you are blind to the doom that awaits you. When you enter the pit of hell, all these truths you have rejected will dawn on you. You have chosen your destiny. For now on, I will not bother to reply you because deep within you, you know the truth but you are afraid of persecution if you convert.

Niyi53:


lol... no need to be angry. there are numerous evidence for that. just create time to explore www.alislam.org yourself. get the literatures in the library section. download books for free. study them and feel free to get back to me for discussion.


no where has Allah mentioned that Jesus was raised alive to the heavens bodily!
that's a grave misunderstanding of the Holy Quran!!

Maamin:


You will have to argue with your quran about that not me.

Niyi53:


[s]I thank God that the Arabic text of the Holy Quran is still preserved till today and there is no doubt concerning this.

so the problems are in the wrong and unnecessary additions done in those translations.

وَّقَوْلِهِمْ اِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيْحَ عِيْسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُوْلَ اللّٰهِ‌ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوْهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوْهُ وَلٰـكِنْ شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ‌ؕ وَاِنَّ الَّذِيْنَ اخْتَلَفُوْا فِيْهِ لَفِىْ شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ‌ؕ مَا لَهُمْ بِهٖ مِنْ عِلْمٍ اِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ‌ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوْهُ يَقِيْنًاۢۙ‏

And their saying, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas they slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like (one crucified); and those who differ therein are certainly in (a state of) doubt about it; they have no (definite) knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this (conjecture) into a certainty;

Surah An-Nisa', Chapter: 4, verse: 157

بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللّٰهُ اِلَيْهِ‌ؕ وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ عَزِيْزًا حَكِيْمًا

On the contrary, Allah exalted him to Himself. And Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Surah An-Nisa', Chapter: 4, verse: 158

read this translation and tell what you understand[/s]!

Maamin:


Stop rewriting your own Quran. Joker.

Niyi53:


lol... cos you see that the translation is just not in your favour!!!

visit this page and see the translation:

https://www.alislam.org/quran/view/?page=317&region=E3&CR=

https://www.alislam.org/quran/view/?page=318&region=E3

Maamin:



Now count the translations that used the phrase 'RAISED TO HIMSELF' against others that used 'EXALTED'. Then tell me your translation is better than Yusuf Ali that uses "RAISED" Or M. M. Pikthall that used "TOOK" which are most authentic and generally accepted translation known today.

adefolakol:


If you want to test the protection of Holy Qur'an, try burning one...Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.(Q15 vs 9)

GodSon34:
Jesus is a deception. Tell me who taught you and your ancestors christianity? The ans is oyinbo brought the bible to Nigeria. Slaves were not allowed to read or write..only allowed to read the bible. Why? How can tou trust a people that came and plundered our land, enslaved our brothers, sisters and children. And yet still worship the same God they worship. Its ludicrous!

TrumpedL:


Christians brought slavery to an end in America and other parts of the world whereas your religion Islam promotes slavery up to this moment and you're here talking

Lukuluku69:


Really really? So, Muslims raided Africa Coastlines and took many to the Americas as Slaves only for the Christians to end their misery!?

TrumpedL:

it's a shame you don't know the history of how your Arab masters traded in slaves in millions from Africa and denied those slaves of offspring by cutting off their manhood. That's why you hardly find indigenous black Arabs unlike black Americans

Lukuluku69:


A willing student here. Please can you point me to book(s) on this? How "my" Arab Masters traded slaves in Millions and denied them offsprings by cutting of their Manhood! And you can never find indigenous "Black Arabs" in the middles East! Do you know why? We are Africans and they are Arabs. nothing like " Black Arabs". So, tell me, how did the Black Americans get the the aamericas? Yeah, I know it! The Muslims traded in Black Slaves to the Americas and the Christians ended it.

Please do yourself a favor, read up on how your "Christian" brethren became the owners of America, Australia, South Africa. Read up on how the Natives were converted in Mexico, read up on what happened to the Apache, the Comanche, the Shoshone, the Hopi, the Ute. Please read up how the Aborigines in Australia were reduced to a little of 300,000 people from nearly 5,000,000 people in a little over 250 years when the Europeans; your Christians brethren set foot on their soul. When you are done, I have more to give you to read up on. Until then, leave the Arabs alone.

Yes, they made horrible choices but they were never alone. And while reading up as I suggested, get books written s by the hands of the oppressed and not the oppressors.

Lukuluku69:


A willing student here. Please can you point me to book(s) on this? How "my" Arab Masters traded slaves in Millions and denied them offsprings by cutting of their Manhood! And you can never find indigenous "Black Arabs" in the middles East! Do you know why? We are Africans and they are Arabs. nothing like " Black Arabs". So, tell me, how did the Black Americans get the the aamericas? Yeah, I know it! The Muslims traded in Black Slaves to the Americas and the Christians ended it.

Please do yourself a favor, read up on how your "Christian" brethren became the owners of America, Australia, South Africa. Read up on how the Natives were converted in Mexico, read up on what happened to the Apache, the Comanche, the Shoshone, the Hopi, the Ute. Please read up how the Aborigines in Australia were reduced to a little of 300,000 people from nearly 5,000,000 people in a little over 250 years when the Europeans; your Christians brethren set foot on their soul. When you are done, I have more to give you to read up on. Until then, leave the Arabs alone.

Yes, they made horrible choices but they were never alone. And while reading up as I suggested, get books written s by the hands of the oppressed and not the oppressors.

redsun:
Islam was a movement that was originally set out to liberate all men and make them equal in the eyes of social,moral,mental and spiritual justice. But immediately after the death of the founding prophet,it became carnal-Rivalry,quest for earthly power,tribalism,mediocrity,division and undue brutality that it original set to to extinguish creeped in.

It's militant nature developed as a result of the struggle to survive the the ruthlesss attempts of the oppressive, unfair,tribal and zealous old school traditions to wipe it out before it takes its roots. It is truly ironic what it has become today,almost like the opposite of what the true mission set out to accomplish.