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Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by adefolakol(m): 6:15pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
Maamin: No solid evidence on this bro...you referred me to a Christian website for a proof. |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Maamin(m): 6:15pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
adefolakol: Have you seen that I did not add body and soul that was how it was interpreted in your noble quran, not my words but the words of your Allah. Be there talking about rafa. Me am done. |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Maamin(m): 6:21pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
adefolakol: I see, I should have referred you to Uthman kalipha who earnestly burnt and destroyed huge amount of the truth hidden from you today. Or the goat that grubbed sizable potion of your quran. Pardon my manners |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by adefolakol(m): 6:21pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
Maamin: If you want to test the protection of Holy Qur'an, try burning one...Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.(Q15 vs 9) |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by adefolakol(m): 6:22pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
Maamin: Bring other translations and let's compare |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Maamin(m): 6:23pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
adefolakol: Caliph Urthman has done that successfully already! And nothing happened to him |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Maamin(m): 6:25pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
adefolakol: So quran have other translations too? I thought it's only the bible that has been accused of such things |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by GodSon34(m): 7:42pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
Jesus is a deception. Tell me who taught you and your ancestors christianity? The ans is oyinbo brought the bible to Nigeria. Slaves were not allowed to read or write..only allowed to read the bible. Why? How can tou trust a people that came and plundered our land, enslaved our brothers, sisters and children. And yet still worship the same God they worship. Its ludicrous! DIYhackers: |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Nobody: 7:55pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
Maamin: The Glorious Qur’an, the Muslims’ religious Scripture, was revealed in Arabic to the Prophet Muhammad (p) through the angel Gabriel. The revelation occurred piecemeal, over a period of twenty-three years, sometimes in brief verses and sometimes in longer chapters Upon receiving revelation, the Prophet (p) engaged himself in the duty of conveying the message to his Companions through reciting the exact words he heard in their exact order. This is evident in his inclusion of even the words of Allah which were directed specifically to him,for example: “Qul” (“Say [to the people,O Muhammad]”). The Qur’an’s rhythmic style and eloquent expression make it easy to memorize. The Prophet (p) encouraged his Companions to learn each verse that was revealed and transmit it to others. The Qur’an was also required to be recited regularly as an act of worship, especially during the daily meditative prayers (salat). Through these means, many repeatedly heard passages from the revelation recited to them, memorized them and used them in prayer. The entire Qur’an was memorized verbatim (word for word) by some of the Prophet’s Companions. Among them were Zaid ibn Thabit, Ubayy ibn Ka’b, Mu’adh ibn Jabal, and Abu Zaid. the sequence or order of the Qur’an was arranged by the Prophet (p) himself and was also well-known to the Companions. Each Ramadan, the Prophet (p) would repeat after the angel Gabriel (reciting) the entire Qur’an in its exact order as far as it had been revealed,while in the presence of a number of his Companions. In the year of his death, he recited it twice. Thereby, the order of verses in each chapter and the order of the chapters became reinforced in the memories of each of the Companions present. As the Companions spread out to various provinces with different populations, they took their recitations with them in order to instruct others In this way, the same Qur’an became widely retained in the memories of many people across vast and diverse areas of land. Indeed, memorization of the Qur’an emerged into a continuous tradition across the centuries, with centers/schools for memorization being established across the Muslim world. The Qur’an is the only book, religious or secular, that has been memorized completely by millions of people. “(This is) the revelation of the book(quran) in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds. Will they say: ‘He has forged it!’ Nay, it is the Truth from the Lord ...”. (32:2-3) “But Allah bears witness that what He has revealed to you (O Muhammad), He has revealed from His own knowledge, and the angels bear witness (to it), but sufficient is Allah for witness”. (4:166). “And you (O Muhammad) did not recite any book before this, nor you were able to transcribe one with your right hand. In that case, indeed those who talk vanity could have doubted.” (29:48). The reasons why there were stories in the quran was 1. To remind the people of what happened to the previous nations that rejected the teachings of their prophets. 2.the non believers actually went to meet the prophet to ask 'you claim to be a prophet sent by Allah,tell us what happened to the previous nations before us if you are truthful' so Allah revealed them |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Maamin(m): 9:29am On Jun 04, 2018 |
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Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Maamin(m): 9:31am On Jun 04, 2018 |
Gbemishile1: Fine, can you discuss about the part of the quran that Urthman burnt and destroyed and also the part Aisha supposed to have said were eaten by a tamed goat? The part that were abrogated and caused to be forgotten as well. |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by bahaushe1: 12:08pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
Maamin: As servant and messenger of Allah to Children of Israel. |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Maamin(m): 1:05pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
bahaushe1: Is that all? |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Nobody: 4:02pm On Jun 06, 2018 |
Maamin: the quran was revealed to the prophet during a period of time.as it is being revealed,the prophet would recite it to his companions to which they would memorise it by heart.dont forget,it was revealed in their mother tongue.the prophet also had a secretary that would write it down.some were written on stones,leaves etc. These verses were always recited during the five daily prayers everyday for easy memorisation.during each ramadan,the angel would come dome down and ask the prophet to recite it as it was revealed,telling the prophet the sequence of the words and verses,which verse should be in which chapter,till it was compiled into whole unit.as it was been revealed,the prophet would teach his companions and they memorised it by heart.the quran was revealed in the language of the prophet from the quraish from the quraish tribe. The Noble Quran was revealed in one language and that is Arabic. It has only one original Arabic copy. Arabic 1400 years ago had 7 dialects. There exists today one original copy of the Noble in Saudi Arabia today. When the Noble Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, it was revealed in Arabic, and in the Quraishi dialect. The Quraishi dialect is the most proper Arabic dialect that properly uses the Arabic words without altering their sound. The Quraishi dialect was the most popular dialect in the Middle East at that time, and is today the dialect used among Arabs who speak Proper Arabic.It is very important in the Islamic faith that when we recite the Noble Quran, we recite it in the Quraishi dialect or what we call today in the proper Arabic. We can't pronounce for instance "th" as "sa" or "za". We can't pronounce "la" as "laman". We can't pronounce "ja" and "ga", etc... In Islam, properly reciting the Words of Allah Almighty is the way it must be practiced. Otherwise, it would be considered a sin and disrespect toward Allah Almighty and the individual would be disobeying Allah Almighty and would gain bad deeds that will count against him in the Day of Judgment if he did it intentionally.When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him received the Noble Quran's Revelations in a 10- years span, he had everything documented on paper and saved with his close disciples and immediate family. He also had the entire Noble Quran memorized along with many of his followers. The Noble Quran during the times of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him was carefully preserved and protected from man's corruption. It was documented on paper and it was entirely memorized by many. When Uthman, the third Caliph in Islam, compiled the Noble Quran, he did not determine the numerical order of the Noble Chapters and the Noble Verses. The entire Noble Quran as I said was already documented and memorized. Chapters from the Noble Quran were recited by our Prophet peace be upon hi at least 5 times a day during the Muslims' fiv daily prayers. Also, the Noble Quran was all recited during the month of Ramadan, as it is still done today. Historically, almost every Muslim scholar had the entire Noble Quran memorized by heart. If you live among Muslims or know well how the Muslims deal with the Noble Quran, then you would know that tampering with the Noble Quran is impossible among the Muslims. If someone recites the Noble Quran to the public (in the Mosque for instance) and makes a mistake, then he would find many who would correct him because they would have the entire Noble Quran memorized by heart. The memorization of the entire Noble Quran is something sacred in Islam. It helped the Noble Quran remain error-free from man's false documentation.When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him died, Islam was still small geographically. The Muslims mostly existed in the two cities of Mecca and Madina. Comparing those two cities' size to the Middle East region's size, they would not even be 0.0001% in comparison. After the death of our beloved Prophet, Islam started to expand in the Middle East region. Not only the People of the entire region didn't have the same dialect, but also they had different languages. The languages that were spoken in the region at that time were Arabic (with its 7 dialects), Persian, Assyrian, Hebrew and some Greek. All of these languages are quite different from each others. You would need a translator to translate almost 100% of the conversation if you were to pick two languages and have two people converse with them, each person with one language. As the Muslims expanded through the entire region, which is thousands of squared miles in area, the Noble Quran was documented at different places with sometimes different languages and Arabic dialects as well. Islam mostly spread throughout the region during the first two Caliphs (our Prophet's disciples); may Allah Almighty be pleased with them, Abu-Baker Al-Siddeeq, and Omar bin Al- Khattab. They were mostly concerned with spreading Islam to the people of the entire region and never had the time, nor the rulership (since Islam wasn't quite spread throughout the entire region until toward the end of the second disciple's time) to unify the Noble Quran or the teaching of the Noble Quran with one dialect in recitation and spelling. When Uthman bin Aaffan (the third disciple) came, Islam was pretty stable in the region, and he had rulership to implement the Quraishi dialect among all the Arabic speaking people in the entire region, and to teach them the Noble Quran through that dialect only.If the Noble Quran is recited in a different dialect than the Quraishi one, and if one tries to write down what he is reciting, he could and would end up with different words in spelling and in some cases in meaning as well than the original copy of the Noble Quran. When Uthman got hold of all of the Qurans that were written in different dialects, and in some cases were altered to sound exactly like the other dialects, he ordered for them to get burnt because they did not use the proper Arabic that was revealed unto our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, and in some cases their words were different because of this dialect difference. He then compiled all of the Noble Surahs (Chapters) of the Noble Quran that were already written during the time of Prophet Muhammad in the city of Madina and formed what we call today the one true copy of the "Noble Quran". |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Niyi53(m): 11:01am On Jul 02, 2018 |
Maamin: lol... no need to be angry. there are numerous evidence for that. just create time to explore www.alislam.org yourself. get the literatures in the library section. download books for free. study them and feel free to get back to me for discussion. no where has Allah mentioned that Jesus was raised alive to the heavens bodily! that's a grave misunderstanding of the Holy Quran!! |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Niyi53(m): 11:06am On Jul 02, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: yeah, I know the truth. and the truth is that Jesus Christ is long dead. the Holy Quran has declared him to be dead and he would never return to this world.! you cannot use the issue of Jesus Christ to convince me cos the issue is very clear to me. Jesus Christ is dead!!! the Promised Messiah has appeared in the person of the Holy Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community. take it or leave it. www.alislam.org |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Maamin(m): 11:40am On Jul 02, 2018 |
Niyi53: You will have to argue with your quran about that not me. The Noble Quran 4:157 وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا ٱلْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ ۚ وَإِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱخْتَلَفُوا۟ فِيهِ لَفِى شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ ۚ مَا لَهُم بِهِۦ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلَّا ٱتِّبَاعَ ٱلظَّنِّ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًۢا Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wainna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: The Noble Quran 4:158 بَل رَّفَعَهُ ٱللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ ۚ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا Bal rafaAAahu Allahu ilayhi wakana Allahu AAazeezan hakeeman But Allah raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. I see that Allah have to kill an innocent person in place of Iesa here too. So much for you muslim's long denial of the blood atonement from an innocent soul. |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Niyi53(m): 1:30pm On Jul 02, 2018 |
Maamin: I thank God that the Arabic text of the Holy Quran is still preserved till today and there is no doubt concerning this. so the problems are in the wrong and unnecessary additions done in those translations. وَّقَوْلِهِمْ اِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيْحَ عِيْسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُوْلَ اللّٰهِۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوْهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوْهُ وَلٰـكِنْ شُبِّهَ لَهُمْؕ وَاِنَّ الَّذِيْنَ اخْتَلَفُوْا فِيْهِ لَفِىْ شَكٍّ مِّنْهُؕ مَا لَهُمْ بِهٖ مِنْ عِلْمٍ اِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوْهُ يَقِيْنًاۢۙ And their saying, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas they slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like (one crucified); and those who differ therein are certainly in (a state of) doubt about it; they have no (definite) knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this (conjecture) into a certainty; Surah An-Nisa', Chapter: 4, verse: 157 بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللّٰهُ اِلَيْهِؕ وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ عَزِيْزًا حَكِيْمًا On the contrary, Allah exalted him to Himself. And Allah is Mighty, Wise. Surah An-Nisa', Chapter: 4, verse: 158 read this translation and tell what you understand! |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Maamin(m): 4:35pm On Jul 02, 2018 |
Niyi53: Stop rewriting your own Quran. Joker. |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Niyi53(m): 12:04am On Jul 03, 2018 |
Maamin: lol... cos you see that the translation is just not in your favour!!! visit this page and see the translation: https://www.alislam.org/quran/view/?page=317®ion=E3&CR= https://www.alislam.org/quran/view/?page=318®ion=E3 |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Maamin(m): 9:49am On Jul 03, 2018 |
Niyi53: Generally Accepted Translations of the Meaning Muhammad Asad nay, God exalted him unto Himself - and God is indeed almighty, wise. M. M. Pickthall But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- Yusuf Ali (Orig. 1938) Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;- Shakir Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. Wahiduddin Khan God raised him towards Himself. God is almighty and wise. Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar Nay! God exalted him to Himself. And God had been Almighty, Wise. T.B.Irving Rather God lifted him up towards Himself God is Powerful, Wise! The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab Rather, Allah raised him up to Himself. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. Safi Kaskas Rather, God raised him up to Himself. God is Almighty and Wise. [The Monotheist Group] (2011 Edition) For God raised him to Himself; and God is Noble, Wise. Abdel Haleem God raised him up to Himself. God is almighty and wise. Abdul Majid Daryabadi But Allah raised him unto Himself; and Allah is ever Mighty, Wise. Ahmed Ali But God raised him up (in position) and closer to Himself; and God is all-mighty and all-wise. Aisha Bewley Allah raised him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. Ali Ünal But God raised him to Himself. God is All-Glorious with irresistible might, All-Wise. Ali Quli Qara'i Rather Allah raised him up toward Himself, and Allah is all-mighty, all-wise. Hamid S. Aziz Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; for Allah is ever Mighty and Wise! Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali No indeed, Allah raised him up to Him; and Allah has been Ever-Mighty, Ever-Wise. Muhammad Sarwar God raised him up to Himself. God is Majestic and All-wise. Muhammad Taqi Usmani but Allah lifted him towards Himself. Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. Shabbir Ahmed Nay, Allah exalted him unto Himself. (They had plotted thinking that crucifixion was a death of dishonor. But Allah raised him in honor). Allah is Almighty, Wise. Syed Vickar Ahamed But! Allah raised him up to Himself, and Allah is Exalted in Power, All Wise— Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise. Farook Malik Nay! The fact is that Allah took him up to Himself. Allah is Mighty, Wise. Dr. Munir Munshey The fact is, Allah raised him (towards Himself) and Allah is the most Powerful, the Wisest. Dr. Kamal Omar Nay ! Allah raised him (in his physical body) towards Him, [after He Himself gave him death (see 3/55; 4/157, 158 5/17, 117, 118 19/33, 34 21/8, 34, 35; 33/40)]. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise [and protected Iesa’s body from lynching, desecration, or exhumation (see 3/55) at the hands of the disbelievers]. Talal A. Itani (new translation) Rather, God raised him up to Himself. God is Mighty and Wise. Maududi but Allah raised him to Himself. Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. Ali Bakhtiari Nejad but rather God lifted him up to Him. God is powerful and wise. A.L. Bilal Muhammad et al (2018) No, God raised him up to Himself, and God is Exalted in Power, the Wise. [The Monotheist Group] (2013 Edition) Instead, God had raised him to Himself; and God is Noble, Wise. Mohammad Shafi Nay! Allah took him up to Himself. And Allah is Omnipotent, Wise. Here is the Controversial, deprecated, or status undetermined works Bijan Moeinian Indeed not. God raised Jesus unto Him and God is Most Powerful [and can do such a thing] and the Most Wise [in doing so.] Faridul Haque In fact Allah raised him towards Himself; and Allah is Almighty, Wise. Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah Rather, Allah raised him up to Him. Allah is Almighty, the Wise. Maulana Muhammad Ali Nay, Allah exalted him in His presence. And Allah is ever Mighty, Wise. Muhammad Ahmed - Samira But God rose him (Jesus) to Him, and God was/is glorious/mighty , wise/judicious. Sher Ali On the contrary, ALLAH exalted him to Himself. And ALLAH is Mighty, Wise. Rashad Khalifa Instead, GOD raised him to Him; GOD is Almighty, Most Wise. Ahmed Raza Khan (Barelvi) But Allah raised him up towards Himself, and Allah is Dominant, Wise. Amatul Rahman Omar Rather Allah exalted him with all honour to His presence. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. Dr. Mohammad Tahir-ul-Qadri In fact, Allah lifted him up towards Himself (in heaven) and Allah is Almighty, Most Wise. Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali But Allah raised him (Iesa (Jesus)) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise. Non-Muslim and/or Orientalist works Arthur John Arberry God raised him up to Him; God is All-mighty, All-wise. Edward Henry Palmer nay, God raised him up unto Himself; for God is mighty and wise! George Sale but God took him up unto Himself: And God is mighty and wise. John Medows Rodwell but God took him up to Himself. And God is Mighty, Wise! N J Dawood (2014) Rather God lifted him up to Himself; God is Almighty and wise. Here are New and/or Partial Translations, and works in progress Sayyid Qutb No! God raised him up to Himself. God is indeed Almighty, Wise. Ahmed Hulusi On the contrary, Allah raised him to Himself! Allah is the Aziz, the Hakim. Sayyed Abbas Sadr-Ameli But Allah took him up unto Himself; and Allah is the Mighty, the Wise. Al-muntakhab fi tafsir al-Qur'an al-Karim But Allah had taken him up to His August presence, and Allah has always been Azizun (almighty) and Hakimun. Mir Aneesuddin No ! Allah raised him towards Himself and Allah is Mighty, Wise. Now count the translations that used the phrase 'RAISED TO HIMSELF' against others that used 'EXALTED'. Then tell me your translation is better than Yusuf Ali that uses "RAISED" Or M. M. Pikthall that used "TOOK" which are most authentic and generally accepted translation known today. 1 Like |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Niyi53(m): 10:17am On Jul 03, 2018 |
Maamin: there is no need counting. 1. the question you should rather be asking yourself is where does the Holy Quran describes Allah to be? if it is that Allah is in the heavens alone, then u can prove to me that "RAISED TO HIMSELF" means he was taken upwards. but the Holy Quran is replete with verses mentioning that Allah is in the heavens as well as on the earth. He is every where! (43:84) it also mentions that if there are 3 people gathered together, He is the fourth. and if there are 5 ppl He is the 6th.. (58:7) etc. there are many other verses which speaks of "going to Allah" but no Muslim, no translator has ever taken it to mean bodily or physical meeting with Allah... for example see : Indeed we belong to Allah, and indeed to Him we will return." (2:156) So flee to Allah . Indeed, I am to you from Him a clear warner. (51:50) (37:99) Yusuf Ali He said: "I will go to my Lord! He will surely guide me! etc... I already mentioned there are lots of Places where such expressions have been used but no one understands such going to Allah to be literal or bodily! so why in the case of Jesus. this is one of the basic issues between Ahmadiyya Muslims and the other Muslims, that is the death of Jesus ascension, descent etc... and also with Christians. if those translators could not be ok with one translation, then we as a community have the right to make our own translation. and we have always been challenging others with regards to the translations me do on verses like this which have been misunderstood! You cannot force me to make use of their translations. if I would be discussing with a Muslim, I would rather prefer to discuss with him based on the pure text of the Holy Quran and not it's translation!! individuals translate according to their own understanding. so if they have made errors with regards to some verses why should I agree to their mistaken translations !! |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Niyi53(m): 10:36am On Jul 03, 2018 |
adefolakol: so according to you, burning the Holy Quran (or it not burning) is an evidence of its protection?? subhanallah!!! what if same happens with any other scripture? if they try burning it and it doesn't burn would that mean it is Divinely protected?? to be frank, I like the response Maamin gave you. Hadhrat Uthman (Ra) ordered the burning of some copies of the Quran so that a standard version might be used. (this does not in any way affects it's authenticity) if one tries to burn the Holy Quran and it would not burn, then why the hue and cry among the Muslims when an American pastor declared that he would burn the Holy Quran?? why don't they leave him to do so and himself witness a miracle of the Holy Quran? isn't he going to be right to state before Allah that the Muslims themselves prevented him from witnessing Your divine protection of your revealed book, hence my not convinced about Islam !!! look, leave all these petty issues and focus on what Allah has explained in His book. reflect upon it for it is a store house of immense treasures. there is no objection that is raised against the Holy Quran and the Holy Prophet pbuh that the Holy Quran is not having response to! it is surely having response to every allegations and objections. but you Muslims have lost the capacity and ability to attain to those truths in the Holy Quran because you have rejected the one sent by Allah as the Promised Messiah and Mahdi of this age! He is Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) of Qadian. https://www.alislam.org/topics/messiah/ |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Nobody: 10:43pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
GodSon34: Christians brought slavery to an end in America and other parts of the world whereas your religion Islam promotes slavery up to this moment and you're here talking |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Lukuluku69(m): 11:02pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
TrumpedL: Really really? So, Muslims raided Africa Coastlines and took many to the Americas as Slaves only for the Christians to end their misery!? |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Nobody: 11:18pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
Lukuluku69:it's a shame you don't know the history of how your Arab masters traded in slaves in millions from Africa and denied those slaves of offspring by cutting off their manhood. That's why you hardly find indigenous black Arabs unlike black Americans 1 Like |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Lukuluku69(m): 11:38pm On Jul 06, 2018 |
TrumpedL: A willing student here. Please can you point me to book(s) on this? How "my" Arab Masters traded slaves in Millions and denied them offsprings by cutting of their Manhood! And you can never find indigenous "Black Arabs" in the middles East! Do you know why? We are Africans and they are Arabs. nothing like " Black Arabs". So, tell me, how did the Black Americans get to the Americas? Yeah, I know it! The Muslims traded in Black Slaves to the Americas and the Christians ended it. Please do yourself a favor, read up on how your "Christian" brethren became the owners of America, Australia, South Africa. Read up on how the Natives were converted in Mexico, read up on what happened to the Apache, the Comanche, the Shoshone, the Hopi, the Ute. Please read up on what happened to The First Nation Tribes native to America and Canada. Please read up how the Aborigines in Australia were reduced to as little as 300,000 people from nearly 5,000,000 people in a little over 250 years when the Europeans; your Christians brethren set foot on their soil. When you are done, I have more to give you to read up on. Until then, leave the Arabs alone. Yes, they made horrible choices but they were never alone. And while reading up as I suggested, get books written s by the hands of the oppressed and not the oppressors. |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Nobody: 12:06am On Jul 07, 2018 |
Lukuluku69: BlowBack already gave a robust reply to your kind since 2017: The Europeans never used religion to justify the enslavement of Africans rather they justified the enslavement of millions of Africans citing contemporary scientific views mainly drawn from the Darwin evolutionary theory. It was Christian values that put an end to the European slave trade. And it is very important that we revisit Islam when discussing the latest Libyan slave auctions. Because it is only Muslims that have so far engaged in this dastardly act. From Shekau boasting of selling abducted Christian school girls in slave markets to the Islamic State auctioning of captured Christian, Yazidi and Shia women to the existing slave markets in mauritania. Muslims have no problem against slavery as their Quran justifies capturing and selling off of Kafirs. |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Nobody: 12:10am On Jul 07, 2018 |
Lukuluku69: Muslims already agreed on below thread that Islam is a religion that promotes slavery https://www.nairaland.com/4019163/islam-21st-century-slavery#59925706 |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by redsun(m): 12:15am On Jul 07, 2018 |
Islam was a movement that was originally set out to liberate all men and make them equal in the eyes of social,moral,mental and spiritual justice. But immediately after the death of the founding prophet,it became carnal-Rivalry,quest for earthly power,tribalism,mediocrity,division and undue brutality that it original set to to extinguish creeped in. It's militant nature developed as a result of the struggle to survive the the ruthlesss attempts of the oppressive, unfair,tribal and zealous old school traditions to wipe it out before it takes its roots. It is truly ironic what it has become today,almost like the opposite of what the true mission set out to accomplish. |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Nobody: 12:26am On Jul 07, 2018 |
redsun: Stop lying What's the difference between the Islamic prophet and shekau or Osama? https://www.nairaland.com/4019163/islam-21st-century-slavery#59925706 |
Re: "Millions Of Muslims In Nigeria Are Coming To Jesus" - Man Says (Photos) by Lukuluku69(m): 12:33am On Jul 07, 2018 |
[quote author=TrumpedL post=69151426] BlowBack already gave a robust reply to your kind since 2017: The Europeans never used religion to justify the enslavement of Africans rather they justified the enslavement of millions of Africans citing contemporary scientific views mainly drawn from the Darwin evolutionary theory. It was Christian values that put an end to the European slave trade. And it is very important that we revisit Islam when discussing the latest Libyan slave auctions. Because it is only Muslims that have so far engaged in this dastardly act. From Shekau boasting of selling abducted Christian school girls in slave markets to the Islamic State auctioning of captured Christian, Yazidi and Shia women to the existing slave markets in mauritania. Muslims have no problem against slavery as their Quran justifies capturing and selling off of Kafirs.[/quote] Europeans never used Religion for the enslavement of Africa you say? According to you, they used contemporary scientific views mainly drawn from Darwin evolutionary theory to justify this dastardly actor their. Right? Please tell me, when did Charles Darwin lived? Charles Darwin wrote his book "On the Origin of Species" in 1859. As a matter of fact Charles Darwin was born 12 February 1809 and died 19 April 1882. Now tell me when did you Christian brethren set foot on America Soil? On Africa Soil, when did they get to India. You see, it is not right to try and re-write history. The cold hard fact of History tells us that, ALL Empire building Nations take or Make Slaves of subjugated people. The Arabs and the Europeans are all guilty in the heinous crime of human trade. Saying only the Arabs trade in slaves is a big fat lie and you know that. At the bolded, show me one verse in the Quran that supports Slavery or Slave trade and I will show you Ten (10) verses in the Bible that says the same. And don't tell me they are Old Testament commands. Those verses were supposedly dictated by the Holy Spirit on the authority of Jehovah! |
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