I wanna ask a question. My intentions are not to insult you in anyway, just curious.

I’ve learnt first hand that most of these pastors you talk about don't coerce or force the people to pay. They always out of generosity propel themselves to give to these pastors. Now, If you ask the churches or pastors not to receive supports or tithes from the congregation, how do you expect the church to grow and expand the teaching of Gods word?? Or are you saying the churches need not to be run at all?? Even if this big men of God suddenly run down, are the churches going to run down too??

I think what you should be agitating for is that pastors need to be accountable and properly use this money to help the needy. You fighting a full blown war against the church, I said this because of the way you attacked the experience program which isn’t a platform to extort tithe or funds from the people. At this rate, you come against anything that pertains to churches. There are tons of intelligent people in the USA, Canada, China, developed countries like that, still, their churches pay tithes and support the ministry.

The Catholic Church receives tithes and offerings, there’s no church in the world that doesn’t receive tithe and support from her congregation, if they don’t, how else will the gospel progress. If your fight is against the accountability of Nigerian pastors, that’d be so understandable and logical, but this spilled over outbursts against anything church in Nigeria is in my opinion needless.

I have never in my 16 years of existence heard where congregations are coerced to pay tithe or support the church. In winners chapel, there’s even a platform where money are lend to borrowers with no interest, There’s a platform where after every service, food , clothes etc are shared among people that need them. In the cell fellowship centers in Winners Chapel, you can talk to your cell ministers when you are in need and those needs would be met ranging from paying school fees to paying rents and so on, you can’t tell me that’s a lie cuz I am living testimony to that. The buses to and fro Canaanland used to be free until running them became hard, now it’s only free for new converts.

So this things aren’t run on leaves but money. And this congregation are always happy to give to the church. After all when people spend huge amount in clubs on liquor, on gamble, or on the needy, on relatives, for friends, on habits, on hubbies.....when people spend on these factors no one complains. So why is that you see giving to church as a waste?

You blame the church for our country being the world poverty capital of the world. Do you want winners chapel or redeemed or MFM to start running Nigeria with the contributions of its congregations? Contributions that you still bash them about? Imagine what Bishop Oyedepo has done with covenant University of 10 years, now imagine if he has access to a vast national resources that UI or OAU enjoys. Why are you blaming the church for the nations poverty?? Was Jesus in charge of the nation’s economy in his time? Was he in charge of military? In charge of public hospitals? If you want the church to take over the affairs of Nigeria, why don’t you implore the government to handover to the church?? There’s the government and there’s the church. Both have their functions. The church can only voice out and advise the government on what to do, it’s left for the government to do something about it.

I know of course that freeze would spin and spin and grammar everyone against his opinion down but I think at the end of the day he knows the truth.

nice one keep growing in wisdom

Ok

Boboye4slim:
I wanna ask a question. My intentions are not to insult you in anyway, just curious.

I’ve learnt first hand that most of these pastors you talk about don't coerce or force the people to pay. They always out of generosity propel themselves to give to these pastors. Now, If you ask the churches or pastors not to receive supports or tithes from the congregation, how do you expect the church to grow and expand the teaching of Gods word?? Or are you saying the churches need not to be run at all?? Even if this big men of God suddenly run down, are the churches going to run down too??

I think what you should be agitating for is that pastors need to be accountable and properly use this money to help the needy. You fighting a full blown war against the church, I said this because of the way you attacked the experience program which isn’t a platform to extort tithe or funds from the people. At this rate, you come against anything that pertains to churches. There are tons of intelligent people in the USA, Canada, China, developed countries like that, still, their churches pay tithes and support the ministry.

The Catholic Church receives tithes and offerings, there’s no church in the world that doesn’t receive tithe and support from her congregation, if they don’t, how else will the gospel progress. If your fight is against the accountability of Nigerian pastors, that’d be so understandable and logical, but this spilled over outbursts against anything church in Nigeria is in my opinion needless.

I have never in my 16 years of existence heard where congregations are coerced to pay tithe or support the church. In winners chapel, there’s even a platform where money are lend to borrowers with no interest, There’s a platform where after every service, food , clothes etc are shared among people that need them. In the cell fellowship centers in Winners Chapel, you can talk to your cell ministers when you are in need and those needs would be met ranging from paying school fees to paying rents and so on, you can’t tell me that’s a lie cuz I am living testimony to that. The buses to and fro Canaanland used to be free until running them became hard, now it’s only free for new converts.

So this things aren’t run on leaves but money. And this congregation are always happy to give to the church. After all when people spend huge amount in clubs on liquor, on gamble, or on the needy, on relatives, for friends, on habits, on hubbies.....when people spend on these factors no one complains. So why is that you see giving to church as a waste?

You blame the church for our country being the world poverty capital of the world. Do you want winners chapel or redeemed or MFM to start running Nigeria with the contributions of its congregations? Contributions that you still bash them about? Imagine what Bishop Oyedepo has done with covenant University of 10 years, now imagine if he has access to a vast national resources that UI or OAU enjoys. Why are you blaming the church for the nations poverty?? Was Jesus in charge of the nation’s economy in his time? Was he in charge of military? In charge of public hospitals? If you want the church to take over the affairs of Nigeria, why don’t you implore the government to handover to the church?? There’s the government and there’s the church. Both have their functions. The church can only voice out and advise the government on what to do, it’s left for the government to do something about it.

I know of course that freeze would spin and spin and grammar everyone against his opinion down but I think at the end of the day he knows the truth.

A lot of people are ignorant of the meaning of the word 'force'.

Tell a person who reveres your words that if he doesnt give you a certain amount of your money, he would suffer misfortunes, die and be condemned to hell. When you're charged to court in a civilized society for psychological blackmail, go ahead and tell the judge you didnt force the person. I would love to see how that case turns out.

Meanwhile I wonder why 419 or Yahoo Yahoo is still regarded as a crime in Nigeria. After all, according to Nigeria's understanding of law, the victims weren't forced.

We were sitting ducks, waiting for someone, anyone to come and impose their will on us..

Na me colonize you so you must worship my God <--- This Here Was The Mentality of Colonizers.

If the Arabs had occupied Nigeria first before The Brits... I'm 200000% sure 98% of Nigerians would be muslims. And would believe in Mohammed.

Don't get caught in all this which Religion is supreme nonsense arguments.
None is Supreme.
God is for all
Religion is a tool in the arsenal of cultural superiority

Even the bible we dey talk about was influence by other religions

Five Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions

Love is the one true Religion..

The bible says "Happy are those conscious of their spiritual for theirs is the kingdom of God". I am glad at such a young age, you are conscious of your spiritual needs

I have gon e through your writeup and want to make some comments:

What is the origin og tithing?

Jacob had 12 sons and each son later would form a tribe.

Upon their entry into the promised land, each tribe was given land as their inheritance which they could cultivate and farm.

However, there was a tribe that was given no land. Those were the sons of Levi, the Levites. Their inheritance was Jehovah. They were to be priests to the nation of Israel.

In order for them to feed and take care of themselves, Jehovah commanded that the other 11 tribe should pay tithes which was to provide materially for the Levites.

Tithes were part and parcel of the Mosaic Law which Jehovah gave to the Israelites in the wilderness, the first ten being called the ten commandments.

So, the Israelites were commanded to pay tithes.

What about Christians, does the bible say we should pay tithes.

Interestingly, the word tithe does not appear anywhere in the New testament.

Though the word does not appear in the New testament does not mean it is not right.

However, if you read Galatians chapter from top to bottom, you will realise that we are no longer the Law of Moses and so have no need to continue following it. That was the primary reason Apostle Paul wrote to the Galatians.

Since Tithing was under the law, we need no longer to continue practising it.

In Galatians 6:2, there Apostle Paul condemned those who wanted to continue circumcision as it was under the Mosaic Law. There were some Jews who were making it compulsory for Gentile Christians to get circumcised. Gentiles (non Jews) never got circumcised as they were not Jews.

While I may not agree mostly with Freeze, but certain pastors use psychological coercion: they preach about hell fire and judgement day and the terrible things that would make one fear the outcome of not giving his life to Christ, and the human mind is already wary of death - scared of his own in-existence, how much more an eternity of terrible pain after death. While they are in their rights to preach this, they very well amplify and resonate this message other than preaching love, peace, salvation, hope and even when they do, they tie it to paying of tithes and offerings rather than love for their neighbours.

What I am saying is the negative things of these world is what attract people to religion rather than the positives and certain pastors are cashing out on this by making people feel the only way to do away with their problems is by tithes and offerings.

Why do you think prayer houses and miracle and crusade venues get more population than the average denomination that is more scripture oriented?

the boy is telling you the honest truth... Take it or leave it www.nairaland.com/attachments/8286739_img20181106100048594_jpeg6ea54c579a32d81747ef1d2c43dc31d4

He should let us hear world

His father is a pastor, we know that

Did Jesus pay tithe? To be a Christian, you have to be Christ like, that means following all the doings of Jesus..

Well in my church, I am always reminded how I am robbing God if I don’t pay tithe and we even have a title card for recording every Sunday tithe

Now, if blessings come from paying tithe, how come there are very successful Muslims? Jehova witness don’t pay tithe, God blesses anybody he so desires and nobody should be bothered if I am robbing my father by not paying tithe, he is my father and he will understand

Nice one kiddo


But I think Freez or whatever he is called is finally getting the attention and relevance he’s been wanting since...

Boboye4slim:


The Catholic Church receives tithes and offerings, there’s no church in the world that doesn’t receive tithe and support from her congregation, if they don’t, how else will the gospel progress. .

Be sure of what you type :

I have attended catholic masses in US, Canada and UK and not once have I heard the mention of tithes.

Yes offering collected (in most cases oyibo put coins self. They little left over changes ) but tithes or even a mandatory one . Never heard that

I'm sure his pastor father helped him to wroted this letter, a small boy of his age cannot wroted this kind of letter, someone wroted it for him

A future MOG, trying to protect his future investments.....

mikeweezy:
nice one keep growing in wisdom

Freeze keep giving these guys so much headache. More than 3 topics on front-page for Freeze alone!!

A juvenile mind.

I will reply him when he is upto 18 years.

For now he is a minor.

notoriousbabe:
I'm sure his pastor father helped him to wroted this letter, a small boy of his age cannot wroted this kind of letter, someone wroted it for him

We must find that person that wroted it and broughted him for punishment......

Is this boy saying he has never seen pastors threaten tithe holders?
A prominent pastor called tithe holders robbers recently

Adeboye argued that non paying member will not see heaven

What is the benefits of religion to Nigeria..... Am still yet to see any benefit

Sense no be by age. Nice one

Freeze needs to learn how to talk.

here comes the beginning of the end of freeze. he's attacking people who are respected by many great men. he'd better remain silent and not try to play any smartness or intelligence fr now

Let's assume a 16 year old wrote that without external or internal interference. Isn't this worrisome? A young man at this age channelling his energy on religious activities rather than planning on how to make innovations.
I know some will say "what are my innovations?" I need not start trying to defend my personality. Let's take it from this angle, Americans, Asians and the Europeans are tagged less religious by the religious Africans (especially Nigerians), yet we always run to dem for pasture new rather than run to God or god ( depending on what u serve). Isn't that hypocrisy?
We are here celebrating largest church in d world with no significance to an average Nigerian while countries celebrate scientific innovations. Pastors or Imams go to d hospital when they are sick, some even travel to the so called unreligious countries for treatment. Why can't they just 100% rely on what they believe in?

In my street only we have 12 churches with no industry , only those selling provisions. In fact bin a religionists is so bad that a redeem church member won't go to a nearby redeem church rather he will go to the one in town cos of d social benefits. No b same redeem? Abeg make una just de try use sense. Nigeria no fit progress like this.
This is d exact reason we always believe any sickness is a spiritual attack in Nigeria.

Nice one

Whatever way it is, they are all in the entertainment industry and must peach their hooks to something controversial to remain in vogue.

Daddy freeze has found something that will keep him on the newsline all day everyday.

Little man, please find your path and leave matter alone.

notoriousbabe:
I'm sure his pastor father helped him to wroted this letter, a small boy of his age cannot wroted this kind of letter, someone wroted it for him

Someone probably didnt grow up with a daddy. Every kids asks his daddy or mummy for assistance when writing a letter or doing homework.

notoriousbabe:
I'm sure his pastor father helped him to wroted this letter, a small boy of his age cannot wroted this kind of letter, someone wroted it for him

Seriously.
Probably you didn't wroted this yourself too

Son of a thousand father.

I am not for or against tithing.
But you need to see some of these pastors preach about it.
They are literally forcing people and laying curses on them if they don't.

Some days back, one was forcing Peter Obi to donate morning or any ambition he has will end in shame.

I just hope Daddy Freeze would be intelligent enough to answer this boy without insulting his parents.