iamswizz:
Did Jesus pay tithe? To be a Christian, you have to be Christ like, that means following all the doings of Jesus..

Well in my church, I am always reminded how I am robbing God if I don’t pay tithe and we even have a title card for recording every Sunday tithe

Now, if blessings come from paying tithe, how come there are very successful Muslims? Jehova witness don’t pay tithe, God blesses anybody he so desires and nobody should be bothered if I am robbing my father by not paying tithe, he is my father and he will understand

do you know that you sleeping and waking is a blessing From the most high God,and do you know maybe it's the little you are paying that still makes the Grace of God abide on you.. comparing yourself to Muslim is somehow,name 10 Muslim Rich man and I will give you 10 most powerful man on Earth that's Christians..

damlek7576:
In my opinion.
number 1..Anti pastor freeze is trying to be popular by criticizing men of God
number 2..Churches in nigeria are more very effective than the Government,in terms of university...COVENANT UNIVERSITY IS AMONG TOP 3000 UNIVERSITY IN THE WORLD ,

In my conclusion churches sometimes provide social amenities to their member,when govt fails
...The impact on churches can never be overemphasize in the worldd..so mr freeze shut your mouth

How do you measure effectiveness?

How does Covenant University being among 3000 best universities in the world translate to lower illiteracy rate in Nigeria? I have met a lot of their graduates who are as dumb as fvck.

How does Covenant University being among 3000 universities in the world translate to quality and accessible education?

The government makes education more accessible and affordable, so as far as the statistics are, the government has far more impact on society (in terms of university education) than the churches who own universities.

obailala:

A lot of people are ignorant of the meaning of the word 'force'.

Tell a person who reveres your words that if he doesnt give you a certain amount of your money, he would suffer misfortunes, die and be condemned to hell. When you're charged to court in a civilized society for psychological blackmail, go ahead and tell the judge you didnt force the person. I would love to see how that case turns out.

Meanwhile I wonder why 419 or Yahoo Yahoo is still regarded as a crime in Nigeria. After all, according to Nigeria's understanding of law, the victims weren't forced.

You are the man of the year......
How many gbosa do you need, because 10,000 won't be enough...... .. .

obailala:

A lot of people are ignorant of the meaning of the word 'force'.

Tell a person who reveres your words that if he doesnt give you a certain amount of your money, he would suffer misfortunes, die and be condemned to hell. When you're charged to court in a civilized society for psychological blackmail, go ahead and tell the judge you didnt force the person. I would love to see how that case turns out.

Meanwhile I wonder why 419 or Yahoo Yahoo is still regarded as a crime in Nigeria. After all, according to Nigeria's understanding of law, the victims weren't forced.

Obailala, the man of the year.. .. .... .


You just gave thousands of people a real speech to ponder about.

People Contributed Money To Jesus Ministry. Judas Was His Financial Secretary. On Whether Jesus Paid Tithe, Tithe Is One-tenth Of What You Earn. Jesus Did Not Earn Either Salary Or Wages. He Was Not Also A Businessman. If You Earn, God Commands You To Pay Tithe. Mal 3:10.

They use juju, some use mild threat and others use human rituals to compel.
Yahoo Yahoo do not use force as well.

Smallie, this matter is way beyond you.
Sorry eh go and read your books

BluntBoy:


You don't even understand what is being discussed here.

Answer these question, when someone says you won't make heaven if you don't tithe, what is he doing?

If someone says, you will be poor if you don't tithe, what is he doing?

I get you but the problem here is u want me to see this matter from your direction only.....and I'm looking it from ur context and in an objective way....

You claim people are paying cos the tactics is that they are threatening people with hell ither stuff like misfortune....so people are afraid and they are paying .
right??
However it's the same hell that is used to preach as the outcome of fornicating and other sins these pastors use in preaching....but it doesn't change people from commuting sin..they don't do what their pastor say at the end of the day....
See....u can't say the forcing is the tactics/reason for one thing but isn't for another thing....if pastors can use hell to force people to pay, it would have also stopped people from committing sin and love their neighbour as the Bible say and the world would have become a better place

itohanphait:
If a 16years old wrote this then age truly is just a number... Maybe freeze can learn a thing or two from this 16years old

...
Mercy, Hawfar

2019elections:
Let's assume a 16 year old wrote that without external or internal interference. Isn't this worrisome? A young man at this age channelling his energy on religious activities rather than planning on how to make innovations.
I know some will say "what are my innovations?" I need not start trying to defend my personality. Let's take it from this angle, Americans, Asians and the Europeans are tagged less religious by the religious Africans (especially Nigerians), yet we always run to dem for pasture new rather than run to God or god ( depending on what u serve). Isn't that hypocrisy?
We are here celebrating largest church in d world with no significance to an average Nigerian while countries celebrate scientific innovations. Pastors or Imams go to d hospital when they are sick, some even travel to the so called unreligious countries for treatment. Why can't they just 100% rely on what they believe in?

In my street only we have 12 churches with no industry , only those selling provisions. In fact bin a religionists is so bad that a redeem church member won't go to a nearby redeem church rather he will go to the one in town cos of d social benefits. No b same redeem? Abeg make una just de try use sense. Nigeria no fit progress like this.
This is d exact reason we always believe any sickness is a spiritual attack in Nigeria.

Something is wrong in your head if you think it is the church fault that there is no progress in Nigeria 51% of Nigerians are Muslims and only about 10 to 15% go to church so how exactly is 15 to 20 % of people responsible for the retrogression of Nigeria besides did the government build industries and then Christian's demolish to build churches? Please direct your foolish thinking to the necessary quaters

Moukandjo:

We know it's deliberate, but it's not funny!

at least I got you attention and made you to waste your data, fokn sadist.

Firebomber:


did you think every one is raise to be as useless as someone that spend most of his time in sexuality section and find it difficult to spell 'wrote'. I'm still looking for the word 'wroted' in my dictionary. braindead

are you done?

martowskin1:
What is the benefits of religion to Nigeria..... Am still yet to see any benefit

Very true!!!

More and more people are using it for corruption and money.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUDnuvsfG8U

Lexusgs430:


We must find that person that wroted it and broughted him for punishment......

please when you find the wroter make sure he account for the tithe paid into his church account in the last one year that made him wrote this piece for his boy to be popularized to the world.

iamswizz:
Did Jesus pay tithe? To be a Christian, you have to be Christ like, that means following all the doings of Jesus..

Well in my church, I am always reminded how I am robbing God if I don’t pay tithe and we even have a title card for recording every Sunday tithe

Now, if blessings come from paying tithe, how come there are very successful Muslims? Jehova witness don’t pay tithe, God blesses anybody he so desires and nobody should be bothered if I am robbing my father by not paying tithe, he is my father and he will understand

thanks for dis

notoriousbabe:
I'm sure his pastor father helped him to wroted this letter, a small boy of his age cannot wroted this kind of letter, someone wroted it for him

chisos is lawd.....

ollah2:
These screenshots answers it already. Too many stupid and proud gullible Nigerians

Sir...please go and read what God said in Malachi 3:6-15...then come back here to tell us if there are no consequences for not paying tithe as Pastor Adeboye has said. This is God's word not a "Pastor's" word...unless you don't accept it as God's word. Then that is another case entirely!

Boboye4slim:
I wanna ask a question. My intentions are not to insult you in anyway, just curious.

I’ve learnt first hand that most of these pastors you talk about don't coerce or force the people to pay. They always out of generosity propel themselves to give to these pastors. Now, If you ask the churches or pastors not to receive supports or tithes from the congregation, how do you expect the church to grow and expand the teaching of Gods word?? Or are you saying the churches need not to be run at all?? Even if this big men of God suddenly run down, are the churches going to run down too??

I think what you should be agitating for is that pastors need to be accountable and properly use this money to help the needy. You fighting a full blown war against the church, I said this because of the way you attacked the experience program which isn’t a platform to extort tithe or funds from the people. At this rate, you come against anything that pertains to churches. There are tons of intelligent people in the USA, Canada, China, developed countries like that, still, their churches pay tithes and support the ministry.

The Catholic Church receives tithes and offerings, there’s no church in the world that doesn’t receive tithe and support from her congregation, if they don’t, how else will the gospel progress. If your fight is against the accountability of Nigerian pastors, that’d be so understandable and logical, but this spilled over outbursts against anything church in Nigeria is in my opinion needless.

I have never in my 16 years of existence heard where congregations are coerced to pay tithe or support the church. In winners chapel, there’s even a platform where money are lend to borrowers with no interest, There’s a platform where after every service, food , clothes etc are shared among people that need them. In the cell fellowship centers in Winners Chapel, you can talk to your cell ministers when you are in need and those needs would be met ranging from paying school fees to paying rents and so on, you can’t tell me that’s a lie cuz I am living testimony to that. The buses to and fro Canaanland used to be free until running them became hard, now it’s only free for new converts.

So this things aren’t run on leaves but money. And this congregation are always happy to give to the church. After all when people spend huge amount in clubs on liquor, on gamble, or on the needy, on relatives, for friends, on habits, on hubbies.....when people spend on these factors no one complains. So why is that you see giving to church as a waste?

You blame the church for our country being the world poverty capital of the world. Do you want winners chapel or redeemed or MFM to start running Nigeria with the contributions of its congregations? Contributions that you still bash them about? Imagine what Bishop Oyedepo has done with covenant University of 10 years, now imagine if he has access to a vast national resources that UI or OAU enjoys. Why are you blaming the church for the nations poverty?? Was Jesus in charge of the nation’s economy in his time? Was he in charge of military? In charge of public hospitals? If you want the church to take over the affairs of Nigeria, why don’t you implore the government to handover to the church?? There’s the government and there’s the church. Both have their functions. The church can only voice out and advise the government on what to do, it’s left for the government to do something about it.

I know of course that freeze would spin and spin and grammar everyone against his opinion down but I think at the end of the day he knows the truth.

"OUT OF D MOUTHS OF BABES AND SUCKLINGS,SHALL COME PRAISE"... PLS TEACH AND EDUCATE THIS DADDY FREEZE. BIG FOR NOTHING OAP, SEEKING RELEVANCE TO VAIN DECEIT AND EMPTINESS. OPULENCE OF NO WORTH. VAIN FELLOWS ARE ALWAYS NOISY AND TRULY EMPTY..
HE WHO FIGHTS AGAINST THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS AN ANTICHRIST AND MAY LEAD TO APOSTASY AND HELL FIRE. WHETHER U AGREE OR NOT. CHRIST IS D CHIEF CORNER STONE, AN IMPENETRABLE ROCK OF ALL AGES.KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. DADDY FREEZE MAY BE WORSHIPPING AN UNKNOWN gOd OR gODDESS. HIS FANS SHOULD BEWARE OR CAUTIONED AND STAND FOR D GOD OF D WHOLE EARTH. TODAY, MANY PROFESS FAITH IN CHRIST BUT ARE SECRETLY OF D CHURCH OF SATAN.BEWARE ALL.

olumide4christ:


Sir...please go and read what God said in Malachi 3:6-15...then come back here to tell us if there are no consequences for not paying tithe as Pastor Adeboye has said. This is God's word not a "Pastor's" word...unless you don't accept it as God's word. Then that is another case entirely!

Sir, why select only a verse and ignore the remaining. If I list the ills in the bible, you will shout OT on top of your lungs but Mal isn't OT when tithe is involved. You guys need brand new brains

LagosismyHome:


Be sure of what you type :

I have attended catholic masses in US, Canada and UK and not once have I heard the mention of tithes.

Yes offering collected (in most cases oyibo put coins self. They little left over changes ) but tithes or even a mandatory one . Never heard that

So whenever pple want to pay tithe dey will come n announce to u first?
If dey don't mention it, does it mean pple are not paying tithe?
U too know is too much oga.

It’s high time we stopped ATIKU LATING and hand over the governing of this country to the church if the church are really to blame for Nigeria woes. I know Nigeria will do better with church government like Oyedepo in charge. Yes seriously!

16-year old pumped sense into Frozen brain.

Saul did more than this against the body of Christ. Las las nko?

2019elections:
How would a sane person tell me I'm robbing God if I don't pay tithe? Money God gave me? Are these people normal at all?

It's not about being a sane person or not...its what God himself said in Malachi 3:6-15.

Are you now saying God is now not sane??
It's so funny how people believe what Daddy Freeze is saying but refuse to study their bibles holistically in order to know what God said or didn't say, not what some pastors are saying.

The Catholic Church receives tithes and offerings, there’s no church in the world that doesn’t receive tithe and support from her congregation, if they don’t, how else will the gospel progress
Not every church pay tithe, be sure of what you said.

ollah2:



Sir, why select only a verse and ignore the remaining. If I list the ills in the bible, you will shout OT on top of your lungs but Mal isn't OT when tithe is involved. You guys need brand new brains

When you completely read, study, assimilate & understand the bible from Genesis to Revelation by the help of the Holy Spirit AND NOT just what some pastors preached or have said, then you can come & continue this discussion.

It's people who have not attained the above that can be deceived or misled by the words of Daddy Freeze, his likes & fake pastors alike!

1StopRudeness:

I get you but the problem here is u want me to see this matter from your direction only.....and I'm looking it from ur context and in an objective way....

You claim people are paying cos the tactics is that they are threatening people with hell ither stuff like misfortune....so people are afraid and they are paying .
right??
However it's the same hell that is used to preach as the outcome of fornicating and other sins these pastors use in preaching....but it doesn't change people from commuting sin..they don't do what their pastor say at the end of the day....
See....u can't say the forcing is the tactics/reason for one thing but isn't for another thing....if pastors can use hell to force people to pay, it would have also stopped people from committing sin and love their neighbour as the Bible say and the world would have become a better place

You can't use reactions to a threat to deny that there were no threats at all.

Yes, people commit sins, in spite of threats of hell, but sin is a part of the human nature due to our weaknesses. It is hard to avoid sins, especially unknowingly.

However, the argument here is about threat, not people's reactions because people's reactions vary.

For instance, if you threaten to beat your children for misbehaving, one of them may change for good but the others may continue to misbehave. You can't justify your threats by saying that it didn't exist because it didn't work on all your children.

Yes, the world is sinful in spite of the threats of hell, but even before the threats of hell, the world has always been sinful because of the nature of man. Only God is perfect. Even angels can sin. Sin is powerful and hard to avoid.

1StopRudeness:

I get you but the problem here is u want me to see this matter from your direction only.....and I'm looking it from ur context and in an objective way....

You claim people are paying cos the tactics is that they are threatening people with hell ither stuff like misfortune....so people are afraid and they are paying .
right??
However it's the same hell that is used to preach as the outcome of fornicating and other sins these pastors use in preaching....but it doesn't change people from commuting sin..they don't do what their pastor say at the end of the day....
See....u can't say the forcing is the tactics/reason for one thing but isn't for another thing....if pastors can use hell to force people to pay, it would have also stopped people from committing sin and love their neighbour as the Bible say and the world would have become a better place

Sir...you're so on point...I didn't think of this matter from that angle. Nigerians and double standards are like 5 & 6!

Boboye4slim:
I wanna ask a question. My intentions are not to insult you in anyway, just curious.

I’ve learnt first hand that most of these pastors you talk about don't coerce or force the people to pay. They always out of generosity propel themselves to give to these pastors. Now, If you ask the churches or pastors not to receive supports or tithes from the congregation, how do you expect the church to grow and expand the teaching of Gods word?? Or are you saying the churches need not to be run at all?? Even if this big men of God suddenly run down, are the churches going to run down too??

I think what you should be agitating for is that pastors need to be accountable and properly use this money to help the needy. You fighting a full blown war against the church, I said this because of the way you attacked the experience program which isn’t a platform to extort tithe or funds from the people. At this rate, you come against anything that pertains to churches. There are tons of intelligent people in the USA, Canada, China, developed countries like that, still, their churches pay tithes and support the ministry.

The Catholic[quote author=Boboye4slim post=73681384]Church receives tithes and offerings, there’s no church in the world that doesn’t receive tithe and support from her congregation, if they don’t, how else will the gospel progress

. LIE

If your fight is against the accountability of Nigerian pastors, that’d be so understandable and logical, but this spilled over outbursts against anything church in Nigeria is in my opinion needless.

I have never in my 16 years of existence heard where congregations are coerced to pay tithe or support the church. In winners chapel, there’s even a platform where money are lend to borrowers with no interest, There’s a platform where after every service, food , clothes etc are shared among people that need them. In the cell fellowship centers in Winners Chapel, you can talk to your cell ministers when you are in need and those needs would be met ranging from paying school fees to paying rents and so on, you can’t tell me that’s a lie cuz I am living testimony to that. The buses to and fro Canaanland used to be free until running them became hard, now it’s only free for new converts.

So this things aren’t run on leaves but money. And this congregation are always happy to give to the church. After all when people spend huge amount in clubs on liquor, on gamble, or on the needy, on relatives, for friends, on habits, on hubbies.....when people spend on these factors no one complains. So why is that you see giving to church as a waste?

You blame the church for our country being the world poverty capital of the world. Do you want winners chapel or redeemed or MFM to start running Nigeria with the contributions of its congregations? Contributions that you still bash them about? Imagine what Bishop Oyedepo has done with covenant University of 10 years, now imagine if he has access to a vast national resources that UI or OAU enjoys. Why are you blaming the church for the nations poverty?? Was Jesus in charge of the nation’s economy in his time? Was he in charge of military? In charge of public hospitals? If you want the church to take over the affairs of Nigeria, why don’t you implore the government to handover to the church?? There’s the government and there’s the church. Both have their functions. The church can only voice out and advise the government on what to do, it’s left for the government to do something about it.

I know of course that freeze would spin and spin and grammar everyone against his opinion down but I think at the end of the day he knows the truth.

if the stupid Freeze no get sense after reading this piece, he no go fit wise again.

So touching and so truth

BluntBoy:


You can't use reactions to a threat to deny that there were no threats at all.

Yes, people commit sins, in spite of threats of hell, but sin is a part of the human nature due to our weaknesses. It is hard to avoid sins, especially unknowingly.

However, the argument here is about threat, not people's reactions because people's reactions vary.

For instance, if you threaten to beat your children for misbehaving, one of them may change for good but the others may continue to misbehave. You can't justify your threats by saying that it didn't exist because it didn't work on all your children.

Yes, the world is sinful in spite of the threats of hell, but even before the threats of hell, the world has always been sinful because of the nature of man. Only God is perfect. Even angels can sin. Sin is powerful and hard to avoid.

Exactly...u just made all the points, the human nature hasn't changed...man has always been sinful, don't forget greedy, self-centred, haters if their neighbour.....invariably, if u can't use force and cajoling of hell and misfortune to make a man change those sinful nature, how can u cajole him to part with his hard earned money. For him to do that means he will stop beign greedy, self-centred, thinking of the development of a church rather than himself.....and from ur point, no sermon has been able to make man change..
In summary people give becos it comes from their heart..yeah...mayb a couple of sermons make them see the need...but the Nigerians I know are not smiling ooooooo....Nigerians wey dey burn people for street for stealing phone....