throttler:

somebody needs to tell dat lettuce to SHARRRRAP DIA .

texazzpete:

You know why there are so many atheists in the world?
Because any time the atheists come forward with clear, logical reasons why they feel God doesn't exist, Christians reply like this
OMG! LOL! Rot in hell you lamer! Burn! Suffer! Satan etc etc

I'm so ashamed of some of my fellow Christians. What the hell do you learn in church if you cannot even string together a rational argument to counter Steve hawking? All the people abusing this man for being crippled are being pathetic.

texazzpete:

What the hell do you learn in church if you cannot even string together a rational argument to counter Steve hawking?

Seems like you have been in the West too long. Atheism is on the rise in the West and are the people happy? The answer is NO!

olabukola:

Do they teach rational argument in church?

presido1:

"If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason — for then we should know the mind of God.”
This from the same prof in 1988.

In his most famous work "In A Brief History of Time" he did not dismiss the possibility that God had a hand in the creation of the world.

My question is why is he contradicting himself now. is he going senile?

olabukola:

Do they teach rational argument in church?

texazzpete:

It is only in Nigeria that people are not allowed to change their minds.
The man is a scientist. Every scientist knows that as soon as more compelling information/analysis is available, old theories can easily be modified.

i remember hearing a guy say "prove that god exist", and the pastor then read a quote from the bible. lol. you can not prove he exist by quoting the bible. thats like saying "i'm not lying" and your proof is your statement "i'm not lying" lol.

Stephen William Hawking, CH, CBE, FRS, FRSA (born 8 January 1942)[1] is a British theoretical physicist and cosmologist, whose scientific career spans over forty years. His books and public appearances have made him an academic celebrity and he is an Honorary Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts,[2] a lifetime member of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences,[3] and in 2009 was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the United States.[4]

Hawking was the Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at the University of Cambridge for thirty years, taking up the post in 1979 and retiring on 1 October 2009.[5][6] He is also a Fellow of Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge and a Distinguished Research Chair at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario.[7] He is known for his contributions to the fields of cosmology and quantum gravity, especially in the context of black holes. He has also achieved success with works of popular science in which he discusses his own theories and cosmology in general; these include the runaway best seller A Brief History of Time, which stayed on the British Sunday Times bestsellers list for a record-breaking 237 weeks.[8][9]

Hawking's key scientific works to date have included providing, with Roger Penrose, theorems regarding gravitational singularities in the framework of general relativity, and the theoretical prediction that black holes should emit radiation, which is today known as Hawking radiation (or sometimes as Bekenstein–Hawking radiation).[10]

Hawking has a neuro-muscular dystrophy that is related to amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, a condition that has progressed over the years and has left him almost completely paralysed.

9jaganja:

Stephen Hawkins Has always been a pro creationist. Keep god out of everything and try to think of the universe with an innocent mind:



What created the creator will be a very big question we honestly can't answer. That there was a creator, I don't know. That the creator still lives, I doubt it. That the creator is sacred, I don't know either. Believe it or not there is more than we can see but that doesn't explain God. A black hole swallowing everything sounds credible if we look how big this universe is. How big can God be to create something this Big? Please don't use Man creating Airplanes as  analogy.

Time. Have you ever thought of time by examining events (day and night, earth rotation)? You are wrong!. What is Time? Who created Time? What created Time? If time is an illusion why do we age with time?

You can't measure real time, all we do is measure events cause by time. The sun rise and Earth rotation are all events which we use in measuring time but what time? Time is universal right? Then ask your self Earth revolving around the sun makes our one year but that can't be time. Since Mercury has shorter days to make a year, what we are measuring is amount of earth's revolution the earth makes around the sun. The sun doesn't go down so what time are we really dealing with? The earth is moving fine but is the universe moving? Maybe it's too slow to notice but let's assume the universe is moving. Is the slow motion of the universe the cause of earth's rotation? If so, then the sun must move too right? Can anyone prove the sun moves? (That's question). If the Black hole is swallowing stars etc, then where do the stars come from? From Big Bang right but nothing doesn't exist so what formed the rocks? There must have been rocks before the explosion that created the black hole right?

Is time an illusion? All we have is events not time. So is time events? Or Events are used to measure time? But there are new Events occurring in the universe that might never occur again should we call those a measurement for time too?


If we can fully understand the cause of time, I think some of our questions will have answers.

I have a poem for time. (The universal enigma)


Think of rocks turning sand over time. So is time an event or force. Ask yourself that question. Sun rise and sun set are not measurements of time, they are means of measuring events caused by time?

Deep thoughts often end shallow

bk.babe97y:


Damn, son, u just turned Dede1, MENTALgong4, JustCash, Andre Uweh, Eziachi and Komando's brains to mush! Imagine their brains trying to comprehend all u just wrote up there!lol

ayusco:

^^so he believes in God? ok for sake of doubt bill gates nko?

hercules07:

Wole Soyinka is not an atheist, please read Ake and Isara.

texazzpete:

Bill Gates is an atheist who does more for charity and for the sick and suffering than 80% of the so-called christians in the world.

PROVE it.

For years, other scientists have made similar claims, maintaining that the awesome, sophisticated creativity of the world around us can be interpreted solely by reference to physical laws such as gravity.

It is a simplistic approach, yet in our secular age it is one that seems to have resonance with a sceptical public.

But, as both a scientist and a Christian, I would say that Hawking's claim is misguided. He asks us to choose between God and the laws of physics, as if they were necessarily in mutual conflict.

But contrary to what Hawking claims, physical laws can never provide a complete explanation of the universe. Laws themselves do not create anything, they are merely a description of what happens under certain conditions.

What Hawking appears to have done is to confuse law with agency. His call on us to choose between God and physics is a bit like someone demanding that we choose between aeronautical engineer Sir Frank Whittle and the laws of physics to explain the jet engine.

That is a confusion of category. The laws of physics can explain how the jet engine works, but someone had to build the thing, put in the fuel and start it up. The jet could not have been created without the laws of physics on their own - but the task of development and creation needed the genius of Whittle as its agent.

Similarly, the laws of physics could never have actually built the universe. Some agency must have been involved.

To use a simple analogy, Isaac Newton's laws of motion in themselves never sent a snooker ball racing across the green baize. That can only be done by people using a snooker cue and the actions of their own arms.

Hawking's argument appears to me even more illogical when he says the existence of gravity means the creation of the universe was inevitable. But how did gravity exist in the first place? Who put it there? And what was the creative force behind its birth?

Similarly, when Hawking argues, in support of his theory of spontaneous creation, that it was only necessary for 'the blue touch paper' to be lit to 'set the universe going', the question must be: where did this blue touch paper come from? And who lit it, if not God?

Much of the rationale behind Hawking's argument lies in the idea that there is a deep-seated conflict between science and religion. But this is not a discord I recognise.

For me, as a Christian believer, the beauty of the scientific laws only reinforces my faith in an intelligent, divine creative force at work. The more I understand science, the more I believe in God because of my wonder at the breadth, sophistication and integrity of his creation.