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Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by madchen(f): 11:54am On Sep 22, 2010
ElRazur:

I think by the time they stopped, the damage is already done. Also most of them only stopped because age caught up with them (You can still tell in their voice you that they wish they were in control)

Most of these damage are almost irreparable and sows a seed that most likely will give out negative result. I am a good example of that, I did not attend his funeral because of what I experienced from him. And as it stand, it will probably be the same with my Sister IF attempts are not made to reconcile etc.   You see, I am speaking from the heart and it is clear to see that I have hatred and unwillingness to probably forgive sown in me towards these set of people.
Hey, ElRazur, are you getting help or talking to anyone about your experiences? These set of people had a hold on you when you were young and defenseless, and holding on in anger and unforgiveness still gives them the power over you! (Even if it's not in the same way) Please share and talk to someone and be completely healed (((((hugs))))
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Nobody: 11:54am On Sep 22, 2010
mädchen:

Well I honestly hope that the system changes. It's a terrible culture, a terrible system and a ridiculous way of handling kids. It is. A lot of these parents must have been frustrated, work, in-laws, cheating spouses, and they took it out on the poor defenceless kid. Were they really trying to 'raise' healthy and balanced kids? I would say no! It's just instilling fear.

I also beg to differ that it was a general thing. I was NEVER hit by my parents.  My parents always spoke to my siblings and I . They understood that we were individuals.  And  I love and respect them totally today for that! Communication lines should always be kept open!  YES, I was born and raised in Nigeria! What is bad is bad, there's no other name for it. Beating your kids until they are almost comatose is wrong!!!!!!! Simply put!

When I say 'general', I mean majority! I know their methods were a bit tough, but I still think it wasn't all bad. As humans, they made mistakes, but they did that in good faith!
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Okijajuju1(m): 11:55am On Sep 22, 2010
@ Uju

After reading your elder sisters experience, I wanna go home and hug my mum & tell her I love her!! I am so sorry for how your sister was treated!! I guess I had it good!!

WOW!! Hot water on a kid!!  cry  cry I am in tears!
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Nobody: 11:59am On Sep 22, 2010
ElRazur:

I think by the time they stopped, the damage is already done. Also most of them only stopped because age caught up with them (You can still tell in their voice you that they wish they were in control)

Most of these damage are almost irreparable and sows a seed that most likely will give out negative result. I am a good example of that, I did not attend his funeral because of what I experienced from him. And as it stand, it will probably be the same with my Sister IF attempts are not made to reconcile etc.   You see, I am speaking from the heart and it is clear to see that I have hatred and unwillingness to probably forgive sown in me towards these set of people.

El, you need to let it go. Trust me, you can end up ruining your life if you dont. I was lucky enough not to have it so rough, but I can't say same for my elder ones.

You need to forgive your sister ( even if she doesn't ask for your forgiveness) and in doing that you can be at peace with your father in your heart. You have an opportunity to make things right with your children.

They could not break you and in the end, you won! Carrying the hatred around would not make your life any easier!  sad  sad
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by madchen(f): 11:59am On Sep 22, 2010
Ujujoan:

When I say 'general', I mean majority! I know their methods were a bit tough, but I still think it wasn't all bad. As humans, they made mistakes, but they did that in good faith!
I wonder if it was really in good faith, or just taking out their frustrations. However, the cycle must be broken! It goes to the very root of our actions as a society.  Sad really sad
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by ElRazur: 12:00pm On Sep 22, 2010
mädchen:

Hey, ElRazur, are you getting help or talking to anyone about your experiences? These set of people had a hold on you when you were young and defenseless, and holding on in anger and unforgiveness still gives them the power over you! (Even if it's not in the same way) Please share and talk to someone and be completely healed (((((hugs))))

grin **Hugs back**

Not really, I just tend to channel them into doing something productive.  For example, after posting here, I just went into the nature reserves to take some bird photos. Helps me cope and deal with it.
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by spikedcylinder: 12:00pm On Sep 22, 2010
mädchen:

And when you 'whoop the poo out of that kid' , what does that solve? [b]Does it stop the kid from stealing again [/b]As we have read on this thread, some people have said that they became better liars. *Food for thought*

Yes!!!!! It stopped me from stealing milk and meat o. My mother nearly killed me!
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by elrony(m): 12:01pm On Sep 22, 2010
MY PARENTS GAVE ME EVERYTHING I NEEDED, BUT I WAS GRILLED TO THE LAST cry

PLS I NEED TO ASK,IS IS DAT THEY ENJOY THESE BRUTALITIES  angry
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Nobody: 12:06pm On Sep 22, 2010
Okija_juju:

@ Uju

After reading your elder sisters experience, I wanna go home and hug my mum & tell her I love her!! I am so sorry for how your sister was treated!! I guess I had it good!!

WOW!! Hot water on a kid!!  cry  cry I am in tears!

LOL  grin

But you know, when my dad was sick, she was at his side every second and when he died, she was hospitalized from the shock! Funny right? That's how much of a wonderful person she is. Even though he practically ruined her life, she still saw reasons why he did what he did. I could NEVER forgive him if it were me!

mädchen:

I wonder if it was really in good faith, or just taking out their frustrations. However, the cycle must be broken! It goes to the very root of our actions as a society.  Sad really sad

Well, maybe sometimes they do take out their frustrations. But most times, what they did, they did out of love!

LOL, I remember one time I was young, maybe 5 or 6. My mum had to travel and my dad brought in a woman to the house and she slept with him in their room!  shocked  shocked

My elder sister, who was about 15 or so then thought she was doing my mum a favour by telling her what my dad did. Oh boy, she got the beating of her life for being an 'amebo'! I remember my sister crying and telling her she should go and beat the other woman instead of taking outher frustartion on her.  cheesy  cheesy
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by madchen(f): 12:09pm On Sep 22, 2010
spikedcylinder:

Yes!!!!! It stopped me from stealing milk and meat o. My mother nearly killed me!
Well, I hope you wont succeed in killing your own kid , when you 'whoop the shit' out of him
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by mothersjoy: 12:11pm On Sep 22, 2010
Elrazur, i know the feeling if my mum passes on at the present time i dont think i will go to her funeral. I might feel differently in a couple of years but i have not spoken to her in the last 6 months i just had enough of the drama.  Its not fun being around someone who should love you but clearly a user, disloyal and oppressive. She cant stop and she is almost 70 and i am in my 40's.
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Nobody: 12:11pm On Sep 22, 2010
mädchen:

I am sooooo sorry your poor sister had to go through all of this. Is she in Nigeria now? You are right ! Showing love is all that a kid needs, they are not goats that have to be flogged! No way! They are human beings, malleable and impressionable. We can clearly see that from your sisters case. Bless her!

Yea, she's in Nigeria now.

spikedcylinder:

Yes!!!!! It stopped me from stealing milk and meat o. My mother nearly killed me!

LOL  grin

But simply sitting you down and telling you not to steal but to ask if you wanted something would have stopped you from stealing too!
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by mothersjoy: 12:20pm On Sep 22, 2010
ujujoan i do think you are living in coocoo la la land as stealing is a serious offence enough to deserve a whooping but only from parent who dont steal themselves.

I remember the adage in nj 'ibi ti eyan bantin she lo tin je' and he who practices this is a thief cos they use it to justify stealing such that a thief parent begats a thief child in my book.
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Okijajuju1(m): 12:21pm On Sep 22, 2010
elrony:

MY PARENTS GAVE ME EVERYTHING I NEEDED, BUT I WAS GRILLED TO THE LAST cry

PLS I NEED TO ASK,IS IS DAT THEY ENJOY THESE BRUTALITIES  angry

The truth is they didnt know better!! They were prolly raised like that! So the cycle only continued with your generation.

spikedcylinder:

Yes!!!!! It stopped me from stealing milk and meat o. My mother nearly killed me!

I know it didnt quite stop me, but it made a better thief!  grin

@ Topic

I have really bitter childhood memories of my Mum especially! My dad only flogged me once when my aunt snitched on me "that I had a cartoon porn magazine (Knackson) with me. *** I wonder how I was supposed to learn bout sex when nobody would tell me nothing bout it!! ***. But my mum always had my back. I remember her beating the shit outta one of my school teachers who flogged me till I bled outta my eye.
My mum was the same person who saw that I was gettin into too much trouble in my Naija Uni & pulled all the money we had then as hard as things were for us back then to send me to Ghana to get an education. Even when the school work was so bad and I was bout failling outta school, she was the only person who encouraged me to keep pushing harder till I graduated!!

The thing is even in all these rather brutish and wicked forms of discipline they used to raise us, they never once did it out of malice or hatred! Like someone here pointed out, atimes it was transfer of aggression from the hard day they had. As a kid, I would be flogged for breaking a dish while I was washing it, today my younger ones break dishes on a regular and its no big deal!

My parents never once said "I love you" to me as a kid, but today, my mum never ends any phone call without it!! They did it to us thinking they were doing us good, to some of us (like me), it helped us get to where we are today, to others like Uju's elder sister, it broke them!!

@ ElRazur

It is well with you mate!! You are a successful man! You dont need such hate weighing you down. Forgive your dad (It isnt worth it holding a grudge against the dead), reach out to your sister and let her know that you still reember the pains of those years, but you have forgiven her. It may be difficult to build a relationship with her, but atleast forgiveness is a good starting point!!

Take it easy men, you survived it!!
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by madchen(f): 12:27pm On Sep 22, 2010
mothersjoy:

ujujoan i do think you are living in coocoo la la land as stealing is a serious offence enough to deserve a whooping but only from parent who dont steal themselves.

I remember the adage in nj 'ibi ti eyan bantin she lo tin je' and he who practices this is a thief cos they use it to justify stealing such that a thief parent begats a thief child in my book.
Methinks that when a child steals the first time one should look at the underlying cause and reason for such action. It could be a plethora of things. Attention seeking, genuine need that has not been met? Whooping that child hasn't solved anything

And I agree being a parent one must lead by example! TOTALLY!
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Nobody: 12:35pm On Sep 22, 2010
mothersjoy:

ujujoan i do think you are living in coocoo la la land as stealing is a serious offence enough to deserve a whooping but only from parent who dont steal themselves.

I remember the adage in nj 'ibi ti eyan bantin she lo tin je' and he who practices this is a thief cos they use it to justify stealing such that a thief parent begats a thief child in my book.

Yea, I get you. Stealing does deserve a little whooping, but what happens if the stealing doesn't stop? Do you double your cane or look for another method? I guess it all depends on individuals. For me, if you slap me once, I'll NEVER repeat that offence. But for my elder sister, if you flog her, she'll do the same thing the next day! Will you keep flogging such a person    undecided

Yea, about leading by example. How come I get punished for lying but my dad would tell us to tell visitors he was out, when he was lying down in the room?  undecided  cheesy

mädchen:

Methinks that when a child steals the first time one should look at the underlying cause and reason for such action. It could be a plethora of things. Attention seeking, genuine need that has not been met? Whooping that child hasn't solved anything

And I agree being a parent one must lead by example! TOTALLY!

True. My elder sis was a really cool kid and only started playing her 'pranks' when she lost the attention as a child cos my parents had the male son they were looking for! They thought they could beat it out of her  . . . but they were wrong!  sad
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by snthesis(m): 12:40pm On Sep 22, 2010
^^am rili touched by ur sis story- i felt like crying, cudnt cos i used up all my tears as a kid cool.
i tink we all shud take a note from dis thread on ways not to ruin d lives of our kids
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by jaybee3(m): 12:40pm On Sep 22, 2010
Mehn some crazy/horrible stories on dis thread oh
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Okijajuju1(m): 12:43pm On Sep 22, 2010
this thread is a front runner for thread of the year!! i gonna call my mum later today! cry
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by spikedcylinder: 12:47pm On Sep 22, 2010
Ujujoan:

LOL  grin

But simply sitting you down and telling you not to steal but to ask if you wanted something would have stopped you from stealing too!

You think? I love milk pass anything for this world. Me wey my eye dey chook like hired killer. I needed the beatings o if not, I wouldn't have known how grave an offence such as stealing was.
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Nobody: 12:51pm On Sep 22, 2010
Okija_juju:

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@ Topic

I have really bitter childhood memories of my Mum especially! My dad only flogged me once when my aunt snitched on me "that I had a cartoon indecency magazine (Knackson) with me. *** I wonder how I was supposed to learn bout sex when nobody would tell me nothing bout it!! ***. But my mum always had my back. I remember her beating the poo outta one of my school teachers who flogged me till I bled outta my eye.

My mum was the same person who saw that I was gettin into too much trouble in my Naija Uni & pulled all the money we had then as hard as things were for us back then to send me to Ghana to get an education. Even when the school work was so bad and I was bout failling outta school, she was the only person who encouraged me to keep pushing harder till I graduated!!

The thing is even in all these rather brutish and wicked forms of discipline they used to raise us, they never once did it out of malice or hatred! Like someone here pointed out, atimes it was transfer of aggression from the hard day they had. As a kid, I would be flogged for breaking a dish while I was washing it, today my younger ones break dishes on a regular and its no big deal!

My parents never once said "I love you" to me as a kid, but today, my mum never ends any phone call without it!! They did it to us thinking they were doing us good, to some of us (like me), it helped us get to where we are today, to others like Uju's elder sister, it broke them!!


I guess in the end, they begin to realize their mistakes. My dad and I were best of friends, maybe because by the time they had us (me and my twin), he had begin to realize that the whole 'wicked-dad' thing wasn't working out!  Thank God cos I can see a lot of myself in my elder sister. God knows I could have turned out worse if I was treated the way she was!  undecided

But some harm had already been done to my elder ones who saw the way we were being treated and got reaaly jealous. It was the whole family against us/dad. Each time my dad travelled, they would look for any little opportunity to beat the be-Jesus out of me and my twin. At a point, my dad started going EVRYWHERE with us!  grin

Most of the beatings I got in my childhood were from my elder ones and not my parents.  embarassed
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by mothersjoy: 12:51pm On Sep 22, 2010
Stealing is a no no really and while I can understand if someone steals when they have nothing to eat and they steal food cos its a life and death issue. It comes to what i said earlier while you might need to whoop a child you also have to then let them know what they have done wrong and how it should be corrected. Always chatise in love not out of anger or because you are bigger than them and you can. We do live in a world of cause and effect or you might end up having to visit them in prison.

The judge wont be asking them why but dishing out purnishment. You need to instill values into them about what is right or wrong and not wait for them to do wrong to punish them. Parents need to make time to nurture and communicate with their children.
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by spikedcylinder: 12:53pm On Sep 22, 2010
mädchen:

Well, I hope you wont succeed in killing your own kid , when you 'whoop the poo' out of him

What are you on about? Did my mother succeed in killing me?
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Nobody: 12:53pm On Sep 22, 2010
spikedcylinder:

You think? I love milk pass anything for this world. Me wey my eye dey chook like hired killer. I needed the beatings o if not, I wouldn't have known how grave an offence such as stealing was.

lol  grin  grin
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by madchen(f): 12:55pm On Sep 22, 2010
spikedcylinder:

What are you on about? Did my mother succeed in killing me?
No energy to throw more light on that one! Please read slowly, it will come to you surely!
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Nobody: 12:55pm On Sep 22, 2010
Okija_juju:

this thread is a front runner for thread of the year!! i gonna call my mum later today! cry

I agree!  cool   cool
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by mothersjoy: 12:58pm On Sep 22, 2010
Ujujoan:

I agree! cool cool

i third that.
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Nobody: 12:59pm On Sep 22, 2010
let it out

welcome to the nl couch
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Nobody: 1:05pm On Sep 22, 2010
oyb:

let it out

welcome to the nl couch

lol grin

I guess in a way, this could be therapeutic! undecided
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by ElRazur: 1:20pm On Sep 22, 2010
Ujujoan:

lol grin

I guess in a way, this could be therapeutic! undecided


It is, getting people to talk about it is a massive step forward in the right direction.
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by Okijajuju1(m): 1:20pm On Sep 22, 2010
Ujujoan:

lol grin

I guess in a way, this could be therapeutic! undecided


Lord knows I feel better now after reading through 8 pages of different levels os child abuse/discipline. If only there was a way to get our parents to read this thread.
Re: Things Our Parents/guardians/elders Did That Was Wrong Back Then by spikedcylinder: 1:21pm On Sep 22, 2010
mädchen:

No energy to throw more light on that one! Please read slowly, it will come to you surely!

Then you shouldn't have started it in the first place. Please face another direction.

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