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Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Ranoscky(m): 5:17am On Oct 02, 2010 |
Lenny9000: I gat one word for these: ~~~~~> CLASSIC !!! |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Ranoscky(m): 5:25am On Oct 02, 2010 |
Timmi: Your explanation is as plain as the word: ~~~> CLEAR !!! |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Ranoscky(m): 5:49am On Oct 02, 2010 |
Debroslink: I dey feel u broda ! You know, just like dey say: what an elderly man sees wen he bends down, a child cannot see it even if he climbs on a tree! Enough kudos to @Lenny b'cos, he has decided to spend his time and effort to take the 'Thomas' of these thread when he gets to Nigeria to see what we havin been seein for yrs. I just pray and wish he visits NGR durin the 'Ijebu festival' let me know if he'll go back home dsame as he came ! |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Ranoscky(m): 7:03am On Oct 02, 2010 |
Lenny9000: God bless you my broda !!! And that's exactly what is happenin now ! I told that 'John Thomas' to believe to himself that there's nothin like juju, and let those that believes that juju does exist be, and nottin else. And i also told him that i can only laugh at those tryin to convince him with one logic or the other. But my broda, no need of tellin you what i got in return, you can go back from the beginin of the arguement and see it yourself. why? b'cos i refused to share his world view, he called me all sorts of names that did no harm to my PC, not to talk of affectin me phisically or financialy. Just like som1 said initialy, that guy needs deliverance, seriously !!! Even Tensor gave up on him b'cos, he's an atheist and knows nottin about God so no need of wastin time and energy with him b'cos argueing with him is like lookin for a way to make heaven and askin satan for advice !!! Bros Lenny, i thank you one's again for bringin up these statement, i believe it'll help that 'Thomas' to change his mentality ! |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Nobody: 1:54pm On Oct 03, 2010 |
@Invisible n DonOvo i challenge anybody that has doubts to come to Enugu for us to further examine some magics which i've seen myself. I stay in Lagos but i'm currently in Enugu right now. How do go expect me to go on and type prove 4u while you dont believe any of my personal experience. I hate Philosopher bcoz they dont research or invest on research studies. They can only buy books from those accient philosophers. Philosophers has no base. They rely on scientists,physicians to bring out facts. But cannot do their own researchs. They r always busy quating Socrates,Aristotle,Heraclitus,etc who they believe are the wisest humans eva. Is is bcoz you did get to read about my Dad or mum. Those peaple are not more intelligent than i'm. 'Socrates say', 'they say' they say', Live those accient dump as5es and lets face reality.hencefort, u remain an a5shole if u stil want to remain there and ask me to type some prove over the net. I have agreed to pay 4all bills/expences if i fail to show u a magician u will further convince u that magic exist. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by SEFAGO(m): 2:35pm On Oct 03, 2010 |
^ Pure ignorance- Philosophy is the most intellectual of all disciplines. yes if juju is not logical then it does not exist. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Nobody: 2:45pm On Oct 03, 2010 |
Well the topic is misleading as it implies that juju or voodoo is a stand alone practice. That is not the case as all their practitioners are just agents of the Devil or Satan. Yes these satanic priests or occultic personalities may indeed be able to perform acts that seemingly defy the laws of science but that is just to dazzle and confuse their victims. At the end of the day juju just impoverishes those who come into contact with it. They do this by stealing by destroying and killing the good things they come in contact with and have prevailing power over. Countries like Benin Republic and Haiti where voodoo is widely practised are also known for their widespread and debilitating poverty,ignorance and disease. And no, they are not capable of performing their conjuring tricks in a neutral location as it is from within their base that their powers are derived and in which the accompanying covenants and sacrifices are made. Even the presence and prayers of a single strong Christian in the location would be enough to disable any evil powers these magicians have. That is not to say that there are no black magic festivals where such conjuring tricks are performed. Again their sole purpose is to dazzle, confuse amd frighten those unwise enough to attend such festivals. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by SEFAGO(m): 2:59pm On Oct 03, 2010 |
to know some parts of the Bible, but you have chosen to use the areas that you feel like using while using them also out of context. For if you have taken time to read through the old Testament, you would have seen where God told His people exactly what will happen in the future - some as far off as 400-years, forewarned them and told them what they should do to prevent such occurrence and yet they choose to do the opposite and hence they have to face the consequence of their choices. Same thing applies now, we are allowed to choose knowing the consequences of our action or inaction, however, once we choose, we have no control over the consequence. Quick questions to all the religious people- have u ever bothered to learn the history of the bible or did you think it cam e from above- locked, stocked and ready? Science did not discover anything, but rather tries to find explanation for what has been created. Everything has been created, we as humans are trying to find out the mechanism of these creations and how we can best apply these intricacies to resolve other human problems. Creation is a primitive thought. The idea that we have to come from somewhere or be created by something is for only those with simple minds. If you want a better explanation how the universe can exist without a creator please go and talk to a quantum physicist. So then who created God? If you can assert than God is an independent entity that "can be" or exist without the support from another source, then it follows that the universe can also be such an entity (and its constituents) and so no need for God. Contradictory argument itself. 1. If God does not exist, then all the things that we experienced and see must have come into being by happenstance. That is not logical, the orderliness and the complexity of things around us, even some that up till now still defies scientific explanation, showed that there is a higher being that created this complexity and orderliness. The orderliness and complexity amongst us has been due to thermodynamics. I would assume that due to several random events that consisted of several permutations, the universe came to be. i.e several combinations of elements were made b4 an "ideal" fit was found. That is why the universe is so old. Trial and error to create complexity. Can people also explain how it is possible for scientists to display evolution in a test tube? |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Nobody: 3:02pm On Oct 03, 2010 |
^Sefago, I know you are an atheist and so no I won't answer your questions as you don't have any locus standi to question anybody's faith seeing you don't have faith yourself. Anybody that is a Christian that decides to answer your questions would just be led a blind alley of argument and counter argument which would be an exercise in futility. You need faith and not logical arguments for you to be able to fully understand Christianity. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by SEFAGO(m): 3:10pm On Oct 03, 2010 |
^ Yes, but I have the right to question the source of the faith. Faith without no source makes you no different from a zombie. Moreover, how do you know I am atheist. I just believe people must justify their beliefs, opinions, and ideas of sort. I am always indifferent to their ideas but at least you must have a compelling justification. I dont do right or wrong. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Nobody: 3:22pm On Oct 03, 2010 |
@Sefago Well let me attempt to play you at your own clever little scientific game. First of all I ask you to ponder infinity and the infinitesmal. Just think about it deeply and meditatively. Then move on to infinite space-time. If youre done with that then you can move over to infinite love, understanding and wisdom. From that point on hopefully it should not be too difficult for you to conceive of a Being, called Yahweh, that is the very embodiment of these qualities and always will be and always has been. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by SEFAGO(m): 3:47pm On Oct 03, 2010 |
But does "it" exist? You have presented a thought experiment that could be true- yes a being exist that is unadulterated good, love, wisdom and understanding- but you have not proven his existence. Let me give you a paradigm from the classical china brain experiment. For example, if everyone in china (about a billion + people in population) organized themselves as a brain with each person being a neuron and acting like a neuron (the brain consists of a billion neurones)- would this create a conscious mind? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_brain You have not shown your link between logic and occurrence. Moreover, what dictates that such a pure being has to be the christian God- why can it not be Allah, Shiva or any of those sorts What makes your religion right? |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Nobody: 4:06pm On Oct 03, 2010 |
Well I just have to say that the adherents of Islam, Hinduism, Shintoism, etc etc have never claimed for instance that their gods possess or are capable of posessing for instance infinite love. On the contrary they have a much more limited role. That is by the way. The point I'm making is that you cannot expect to understand any religion without faith which would itself open your mind and spirit to new ways of thinking and living. Your other point's theme would only be realised by collective brainwashing and of itself is highly devilish and satanic. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Ranoscky(m): 2:24pm On Oct 04, 2010 |
I can't believe what im seeing !!! |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by invisible2(m): 7:40am On Oct 06, 2010 |
Pardon me if am wrong, but the topic is about juju and our 'personal' experience of it? Then why all these invasion of philosophers, psychologists, atheists, christians, muslims, hindu, buddists? Please lets stick to the point and not derail this thread, juju will always exist in the minds of those that thinks it exist, nowhere else. I have explanations for everything that have ever happened to me, for some people though, they let others read meanings into all their affairs for them. Make good profit and they will say its juju. Have a llittle accident and someone will tell you enemies are in action, fall sick of malaria and people will suggest a native doctor. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by SEFAGO(m): 2:52pm On Oct 06, 2010 |
Juju is just like a religion, its an illusion. Damn I should have my own rap album |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by AndreUweh(m): 7:07pm On Oct 06, 2010 |
It is proper to say, Otumokpu (juju) does exist but I do not practice it than to deny it completely. Forumites, do not be deceived, Juju does exist but do not adhere to it. I have seen a man drink palm wine with a basket some years back. I watched this live and till date NTA ABA has a video of it for proof. This happened at Ozuruimo festival, Owerri in1993. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by invisible2(m): 7:30pm On Oct 06, 2010 |
Andre Uweh: Sorry to burst your bubble brother, I have watched closely a masquerade dance where majic is practiced. They made a very tight little basket and poured well mixed starch solution inside. It was almost like a cellophane bag sealing every crack in the basket, and yes, it was used to drink pammy! The problem is that little children like you who watch only TV believe every fallacy uttered by illiterate old folks in the villages. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Nobody: 7:34pm On Oct 06, 2010 |
invisible!:Now that is funny! . Yes it shouldn't be forgotten that these juju men are masters of deception and subterfuge. They will use every devious strategm to lure those unwise enough to take them seriously. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by AndreUweh(m): 9:37pm On Oct 06, 2010 |
invisible!:Clown,don't be silly, I did not say I watched it on Tv. I said that I saw it live at Owerri cultural festival. M0ron, Why not reread my post before chatting crap. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by invisible2(m): 9:58pm On Oct 06, 2010 |
Andre Uweh:Put your head inside the freezer near you for five minutes, remove your head and take a deep breath, then reread your post. Andre Uweh:You watched a live festival of Ozuruimo from NTA ABA in 1993, you probably bought the video for proof sake. Baba, you are guilty of watchery! |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by AndreUweh(m): 12:48am On Oct 07, 2010 |
invisible!:Surely this iidiot has a problem with comprehension. In 1993, if at all you were born by then as your reasoning suggest, I saw it live a man drinking water from a basket. The NTA Aba had this programme also covered and it was relayed in their station severally. Mr Whoopsy, do you even know what is Ozuruimo festival, impotent retardo. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by udezue(m): 3:26am On Oct 07, 2010 |
Don't care about juju unless we can use Juju to increase food or do something good. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by invisible2(m): 7:21am On Oct 07, 2010 |
Andre Uweh:Clean the corners of your mouth, you are foaming from your mouth. Control your temper and do some sober thinking, take some lesson on anger management lest you burst an artery. The truth is that when some people who have allowed others to reason with their brain come online and see superior logic, they fail to understand, but who will blame them, since they have outsourced their reasoning faculty to Ijebu Ode. They resort to insults but will sadly miss the lesson. Enjoy your ignorance sha. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by invisible2(m): 7:30am On Oct 07, 2010 |
udezue:Abi oooo my brother. They will tell you its only bad things juju can achieve. Illiterate villagers worshipping juju and expecting their christian children to send them feeding money, why dont the juju provide food, clothes and other amenities so their kids can concentrate of building their young lives? The ironies of this life! |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by DonOvero: 2:32pm On Oct 07, 2010 |
I have continual read some ludicrous things posted here. Tensor main argument for not debating is if you have no faith, then you cannot question my faith. "Good reasoning" "Governor, do you believe it is right for you to enrich yourself at the expense of the citizens?" "mumu!! what do you believe?" " I believe it is wrong as evident by these facts, so can you please answer the question" "My friend, if you don't believe then I will not answer" It is a good thing that 'Christ' did not use the same reasoning when asked what he believed in and to explain it. It is a good things that when someone asks the , Father, rev, vic etc the question they did not adopt you idiot approach. Can you read what you type, AS YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANYTHING I WILL NOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS Ignorant thinking. If you asked an scientist to prove the earth was around longer than the 6-8000 the bible suggests, what do you imagine the outcry would be if he said "as you believe in the bible I will not answer you" You Ignorance betrays you. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by DonOvero: 2:47pm On Oct 07, 2010 |
Timmi: This so ridiculous, and unlike Tensor the ignoramus I will answer your questions and look forward to your respone. Point 1. Your argument is redundant. If the world is so complex and orderliness and something must have created it. Then the thing that created it must too be complex so who created God. If your response is that nothing made God, then why cant the same rationale be used for the universe? if you say God always existed, then how did he come to exist? if something so complex had to be created then why cant have something created something as complex as God? Point 2. Science did not discover anything? LOL, type into google, scientific discoveries, let us not be lazy now, the answers are right there. Point 3, How can you say god created a choice? if he is all knowing and all powerful and he knew we would eat the apple, how was that a choice when it was already predetermined? If he did not know what we would choose then he cannot be all that powerful. Point 4 does not ask anything Point 5, I have read the bible back to front, you do understand that is it mans interpretation of stories he heard many centuries ago, re written, re hashed, some gospels included some excluded. Have you even read it? |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Nobody: 4:54pm On Oct 07, 2010 |
DonOvero:My point remains that you as a person that has no faith whatsoever has no locus standi to question another person's faith. It would make no sense for a person of faith to join issues with you over his faith or even the very basis for his faith as you would not understand. Its not something that can be comprehended by pure reason. This is shown in your reply to Timmi where instead of stating your own views on for instance how the universe was created, you simply resorted to lampooning his own views on that. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by Nobody: 5:02pm On Oct 07, 2010 |
Andre Uweh:I don't know how you can come up with such claims as you were simply a bystander at the satanic festival. You don't know for instance whether the basket was hermetically sealed as you were not there when they were preparing it for use in the festival. Your account still amounts to another dem say tale. That notwithstanding there is satanic power upon which juju or voodoo is based. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by DonOvero: 5:11pm On Oct 07, 2010 |
tensor777: Tensor, your point is mute now. You continue to look silly when you try to argue without answering the most basic questions put to you. As far as timid point on how the universe was created, again why do you let your ignorance blind you? My views on how the universe was created is the same as anybody with a slice of intelligence. Don't bother replying, you try to sound smart but my niece who is 10 would debating you into tears, but then again, you wouldn't answer any questions she posed to you right? |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by vanitty: 5:16pm On Oct 07, 2010 |
Yes I believe there is juju and please keep your overbearing attitude to yourself. Why must everyone be wrong and you right, don’t impose your own conviction on others. Yes I believe 100% that there is “juju”, black magic or whatever name you wish to call it Go and stick your scientific theory where the sun don’t shine, I watched one of the “most brilliant minds” as they call him – Stephen Hawking explain how the world came to be and the whole 3 hours was at best ludicrous in my own opinion. In fact the whole frigging “higher intelligent thinking” documentary was filled with “I think” “lucky”. |
Re: What Has Been Your Experience With Juju? by DonOvero: 5:22pm On Oct 07, 2010 |
tensor777: You are no worse than the fools saying JUJU exist. If Satanic powers exist then so must Satan. If satan exist then so must God If God is all knowing, all powerful then he must have know what Satan was going to do, but God chose to create him anyway. Is that the action of a loving God?? So what does god do during this almighty wait for judgement day? if he is indeed all knowing then he must know who will be saved and who wont be, if that is the case why put up with this long wait and not declare judgement day now? What did god do before he 'created' the universe? Did he just play with his angels? The bible said First came Adam, I think SCIENCE has proved this to be incorrect.(that one is for you timid!!) |
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