Most leaders and their cabinet are very educated people with impressive resumes, trained outside the country and greet citadels of learning. They simply use religion as a tool to get what they want easily. They aren't very deep in religion usually, but play to the gallery. African religion leaders and overseers are making giant strides and breaking records all the time. That's the difference.

princeogbeide1:
Religion is simply the reason why Africans are poor and backward. We don't want to be logical and creative but we want a miracle to happen. In the fight for this miracle, we go to church and start donating money for pastors and the female followers offers their pussy to their pastors as well. This is a big shame on us because the British that brought Christianity into Africa don't practice Christianity like this. They don't believe in miracles but they explore and make the world a better place.

Really? Religion brought education to Nigeria and even today churches are establishing universities in this same Nigeria with the goal of being among the best in the world but it is still your lot that will condemn churches that establish educational institutions. So what are you saying?

NPComplete:


Nope. There are not more Christians in America than Nigeria. Also the most religious places in America are also the most backwards. Go figure.
Deny it all you want, Christianity is a religion.

70% of Americans idebtify as Christians, with a population of 300 million making it 210 million Americans

Nigeria has 100 million

Christianity is a way of life. And i teaches you to abstain from things that can destroy your life and others

An average black man is selfish, greedy and self centred and has no moral conscience and so they bring that to Christianity and they practice Christianity to suit their convenience, not God's convenience and thats why churches are increasing and yet immorality is on the high side.

Man will always want to suit his flesh and desires and if you dont fight it with the power of the holy spirit, then there is no difference.

Also not all people understand what Christianity is, even some Christians themselves.

Christianity encourages hardwork go and read proverbs , prayer is not a subtitute for hard work

Being a Christian does not mean you cant reason, but it helps you reason rightly and it helps your hardwork to be recognised.

But a lot of Christians don't know this, thats why the bible says, "my people suffer for lack of knowledge"

The greatest enemy of Christians is ignorance, not the devil.

See God is real, Christianity is a spiritual experience and it is an awesome and different world entirely in which you can be part of by giving your life to Christ

All Abrahamic religions are false, fake and counterintuitive

Manufactured history, and the reason it was forced upon Africans was due to an ancient Eurocentric project known as the "World Order".

That project began by the Romans hundred of thousands of years ago.

Initially all of Europe and parts of Asia abide by the laws and moral code of Africa.

Then one Roman Emperor deviced a plan that would enable Europe to dominate the globe both militarily and spiritualy.

His plan was dubbed "The World Order", it was during these times that Libya was invaded as the first post-pharaonic military campaign ever launched by Europe on African soil under the stewerdship of Portugal and Spain with the so-called blessing of the then Pope.

Its important to note that Rome was never stationary, Rome moved its administrative capital on various occasions, the most commonly talked about being Constantinople that is the modern day Istanbul in Turkey.

Rome is actually a Eurocentric political concept. One that only allows for European and or their descendants domination of the world.

The "World Order" and the so-called "New World Order" are one and the same.

The adherents of the "World Order" spend hundred and thousands of years trying to nail down their unwitty claims of superiority over everyone else.

What happened was that the Romans use all the intellectual tools available to their Emperor and political class to lay their foundation of world domination.

They use psychological, sociological and military inteligence to reach their goals and objectives.

The Asians also caused havoc. Its argued that if the Asian war mongerers hadnt launched their crazy holy wars inside the continent, the Eurocentric Crusaders would never have made the military progress they achieved on the continent.

Neither the trans Atlantic slave trade nor Colonisation would never had taken place.

The argument that the Europeans won most of their crazy battles because of internal conflict is false.

Most of the internal conflicts at the time was created or exacerbated by the adherents of the "World Order"

The reason they made in roads was due to the earlier Arab wars and military campaigns combined with the Christian missionaries and Jewish missionaries that precede the crazy dash for African treasure. There was also some local traitors. They, the missionaries and traitors, were emmisaries and spies to Europe's political class and they reported much of the situation on the ground.

The scramble for Africa was a calculated campaign that involved the political classes from all over Europe, Eurocentric Royalists of the entire continent of Europe, Christian and Jewish adherents; multiple meetings and various conferences.

All Abrahamic religions are based on lies, theft, violence and false conceptions.

and our leader is God right?


Horseman Death always dragging hell along.
Death = Neptune planet 9 accounts for 36 states of Nigeria. That is 3+6=9
Hell is Pluto the 10 planet = 1 capital. That is 1+0=1

they can always link archaic and backward juju politics with religion anytime

I agree that our leaders are greedy and unfit for purpose, yet they are merely the symptoms.

The main problem is foreign languages and the Abrahamic religions.

Ugosample:


religion plays a big role as to why the continent is backward

the was Africans PRACTICE and perceive religion (whatever religion it might be) is the reason for Africa backwardness
.denying this is self delusion

religion has help to inspired man to do Good,religion is the ultimate source of HOPE , removed religion and the ultimate question will be WHAT DO WE LIVE FOR ? I believe people will do terrible things with or without religion, take a look at the Soviet Union, populated with mostly
atheist, even there name seems UNITY but they
slaughter there own people. and what about
north Korea ? I believed if atheism hold ground
just like religion the Human Race will be Long
gone by now.

Tellemall:


Africans were hunted. That you have not seen it does not make it a lie. I am not obligated to give you a source for everything you do not know. It is in your library.

Read some more.

So you have no proof.

Talking out of your backside as expected.

Find some integrity please.

Villageppl:


Turkey developed rapidly when they adopted secularism into their politics. Erdogan has been attempting to reverse this subtly but there's still public pushback against any outright attempt to mix religion with the state

It's just because Turkey was initially a secular state before the introduction of islam. The people has an already established ways of life which suits them.
When u check their culture, u will get a mixture of western, asian and arab together.

Erdogan belongs to the Muslim brotherhood and its good the people knew what they wanted and fought him.

Can Nigerians separate religion from the state?
That is the problem. We don't live beyond ethnicity.
It's worst than religion. I haven't seen any country that hate themselves like Nigerians.

The problem of Africa is not bad leaders. It is not religion either. The problem of Africa is YOU and I. Our ATTITUDE/MENTALITY/MINDSET/PERSPECTIVE is the reason why we are in this present state.

Is it our leaders that say someone should liter the country with sachet of pure water? Our attitude is bad. We are not honest. We give BRIBES, tell LIES and so on all in the name of getting money. We are GREEDY.

The problem of Africa is the way we think. Why should a person jump the queue and go and enter in the front... can you see that. Why should someone go and connect his electricity illegally. Why should someone drive through one way which is illegal... these and many others have put us where we are. We are not thinking rightly.

As we react to this thread... some people are still looking at how they can browse without paying for data. They don't want to pay for anything. Can you see how Nigerians think. People dont want to pay for the services they enjoy. See the way people are reacting with insults and showcasing tribalism up and down on Nairaland... is it a leader or religion that instruct them to do that? No
Our thinking is terribly bad. We are not thinking straight. We all need to go to a school of Attitude and learn.

Let"s know our problem. It will help us tackle it better. If we change our attitude, our leadership will change automatically. Leaders don't come down from heaven. It comes from the people.

Africans! Change your attitudes and watch your continent blossom.


Thanks

paxonel:
a child that is not well trained what do you expect him to do when he eventually become a leader?

Ask yourself, is religion training our children to become intelligent people?
The answer is no

Attitude comes first before religion

Xclusivedaniel6:


Attitude comes first before religion

exactly

BEFORE RELIGION(CHRISTIANITY) CAME, WHAT WERE YOUR ANCESTORS ACHIEVEMENTS THAT RELIGION DREW BACKWARDS?

NPComplete:
What leaders are u talking about?
The leaders are a reflection of the collective predilections of the people. You have bad leaders because you are bad people and only maintain systems that appeal to the lowest common denominator and ensure they get into positions of power.

Religion has always and will always be a major problem to us. It is religion that makes the black man go to vigil and scream his heart out instead of working and using his head. It is what makes MFM guys kill their enemies every year with no result to show for it financially and materially yet still remain adamant and stick to the same futile strategies.
The version of religion we practice encourages men to steal so they can come give testimony in churches. It encourages wanton looting by civil servants so they can get front row and positions of deacons in church.

The energy we have expended in praying to God, who has already blessed us with everything we need, could have been best applied into creative pursuits. Religion encourages indolence and the emphasis on miracles stymies but technological and business growth.

Let me give u an example. In other less religious countries, when a business man is failing at his business, he begins to reconsider his strategy. He thinks up innovative ways and failing that, he closes the business and seek better opportunities suited to him. In Africa and other religion-induced low IQ countries, the man baulks at the first sign of trouble and runs to church. His pastors begins to tell him there is something after him and enemies are at the gates. Suddenly the country, nay the world, has lost an opportunity to see a new innovation or a new idea. The man himself has lost an opportunity to grow and know himself better. The list is endless....

Religion is a problem. It hinders men from using their abilities most times.

HOW RICH AND FORWARD WAS AFRICA BEFORE THE COMING (RELIGION) CHRISTIANITY?

princeogbeide1:
Religion is simply the reason why Africans are poor and backward. We don't want to be logical and creative but we want a miracle to happen. In the fight for this miracle, we go to church and start donating money for pastors and the female followers offers their pussy to their pastors as well. This is a big shame on us because the British that brought Christianity into Africa don't practice Christianity like this. They don't believe in miracles but they explore and make the world a better place.

Tellemall:
Flash back to the Roman civilization and the ancient Sumerian kingdom and you will see that Africans were hunted as animals even then. Old Asian empires still were better than the African ones, if at all any African ones existed that far back. Sheba/Egypt were the only good things about Africa, and note how close they are to Asia.

A little further back and you will see that outside of Africa has already been governed by a modicum of civilization long before Africans were colonized.

Do not perish for lack of knowledge.
Please read and free yourself from ignorance by seeking out similar stories to enlighten you.

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Xclusivedaniel6:
Attitude comes first before religion

Well said.

DarkJeddi:
Compared to you Saudi Arabia and Dubai are developed,

Compared to the Developed World there's NOTHING about them that is outstanding..

Does any of these two countries MANUFACTURE a PIN in their country?

Take away oil money from Saudi Arabia and what EXACTLY do they have to boast about?

And don't think that because Italy is the sit of Vatican that they are that religious,

And even in Italy the more RELIGIOUS South are more IMPROVERISHED,LESS DEVELOPED and CRIME RIDDLED than the less RELIGIOUS NORTH..

The truth is bitter,

The MOST RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES on earth are the MOST POOR,

AFRICA.

MIDDLE EAST.

SOUTH AMERICA..

you claim those countries are underdeveloped and poor, if Nigeria can be as poor and undeveloped as Dubai, Italy and Saudi Arabia believe me bro nobody will complain. instead of fighting religion as an excuse for our failure and incompetence, why don't we work on our attitude. being religious, doesn't make you a good person it is your attitude that shows who you are.

ABOVEDELAW:
BEFORE RELIGION(CHRISTIANITY) CAME, WHAT WERE YOUR ANCESTORS ACHIEVEMENTS THAT RELIGION DREW BACKWARDS?

So Christianity is the only religion to you abi? I am talking about religion generally. You are talking about Christianity. Christianity encourages backwardness as much as the traditional religions do. So stop trying to form some sort of Christian exclusivity.

alBHAGDADI:

Christianity in Nigeria and Africa is beginning to come under heavy attack, not just from people who are ungodly and most times closet Satanists, but from celebrities. They claim the reason why Africa is backward is because of religion. There are so many religions in Africa, but the one they are truly specific about is Christianity.

These people don't complain when other religions engage in mass murder for their god, nor when some of them demand human sacrifice by killing innocent passerbys in the middle of the night all in the name of a festival. But when people gather in a church to worship God, they get angry and claim that is the reason why Africa lacks steady electricity, food, technological development and is suffering from poverty.

When these people call for religion to be eradicated from Africa, what they actually want is for Christianity to leave. It is only Christianity that defines what religion is, and that annoys them because it speaks against their worldly ways.

James 1:27 (KJV)
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

As seen above, the religion God accepts is the one in which a person is encouraged to:

1.) Visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction.
2.) To keep himself unspotted from the world.

The above points in the definition of religion are an embodiment of Christianity. When these people say religion should be eradicated from Africa because they think it is mental slavery, what they actually want is for the fatherless and widows to suffer. No one will care about them because the one belief which encourages that has been destroyed.

But you say "celebrities do give gifts to orphans". Yes and that's because they upload the act on social media just to earn your praise and make you see them as good, whereas they are not. You really think they care about the orphans they help? They don't care. They only care about how the world perceives them. That's why they show it off when they do such good. They post it on social media because they want people to comment and praise them. Let's see what Jesus Christi said about such.

Matthew 6:1-4 (KJV)
6 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

These celebrities and ungodly people hate Christianity because the book by the religion contains words that judge them. The Bible exposes their wicked ways. They want to live however they like without anybody questioning them. They are angry that the light through Christianity has come to Africa. No more baby sacrifices, no more offerings to demons, no more living a wicked life. The light has condemned them.

John 3:19
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

They hate the light of Christianity because it exposes their evil ways. It exposes the motive behind their actions.

John 3:20
“For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.”

We who don't do evil are not angry at the light. We love and welcome it. It has even made us better humans.

John 3:21
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The above are the words of Jesus. The words judge evildoers, which means that they definitely hate Jesus as well. It's words like this that made the evildoers back then to kill Jesus. They couldn't stomach how he was exposing their evil heart. Those evildoers back then have their descendants today continuing from where their ancestors stopped. We are glad Jesus is risen and his word will never die.

The second point in the definition of religion says we should keep ourselves unspotted from the world. It simply means our ways should be different from the way the world does its own. It also means we shouldn't love the world. But these atheists, celebrities and evil people are always in comformation with the world. From the way they attack religion to their flamboyant show off on Instagram, we get to know that they love the world. This means they don't have the love of the father in them. They hate God.


1 John 2:15-17 (KJV)
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Despite them loving the world so much, you will never see them speak up against things positioned to destroy it. As long as those things are against Bible teachings, they will welcome them e.g homosexuality.

Romans 12:2 (KJV)
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The people who say Africa is backward because of the religion white men brought to the continent don't even know how foolish they sound. They say the Bible which the white man brought to Africa is the reason the continent is backward. How come the cars, phones, television, refrigerator etc all brought by the same white men are not making Africa backward? If we must throw the Bible away, then we must throw away all those other things the whites brought to our continent.

Some people even believe Africans who serve God fervently are not really doing so because their continent is not rich like China, an ungodly nation. Look, the Bible already stated that we should stay away from such people who think being rich means you are serving God, who think gain is godliness.

2 Timothy 6:5
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Being rich is not a sign that you are serving God. Don't be all about wealth and riches. As long as you have clothes and food to eat, that should be enough. Why try to gain the world when you brought nothing into it and will take nothing out?

2 Timothy 6:6-8
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

Do you know what will happen to those who are chasing after riches? They will do so many foolish things. This explains why Western Nations are encouraging homosexuality, abortion etc. This also explains why celebrities fall into depression all the time.

2 Timothy 6:9
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

These evil people want Christians in Africa to chase after wealth because they know it will make us err from the Christian faith. That is why they keep ringing it in our ears that Africa is backward because of religion.

2 Timothy 6:10
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

But as a Christian, you should run away from such people. Run away from the love of money and the love for the world. Follow after righteousness.

2 Timothy 6:11
11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

Christianity is not the one looting money at Federal Government and State level. Christianity is not the one embezzling money released for educational and technologcial development. Stop saying we should dump it. Blame your leaders, not Christianity.

These evildoers want us to go back to serving the God's in Egypt which didn't profit Africa in any reasonable sense.


Joshua 24:14-15 (KJV)
14 Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

even the pikin wey dat woman carry fear

We all know it is a coded attack against Christianity not just "religion" if you read the posts of those claiming religion is the cause of their lives' problems, checkout their illustrations you will notice that they are majorly attacking Christianity as if it is the only religion mtcheew... They have failed before they even started

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

princeogbeide1:


It's almost 10am. Go and take your drugs

Okay Prince

paxonel:
why can't our leaders embrace science and technology like them?
it goes beyond that. It requires awareness too.
Awareness of what should be rightly done .
Self -discipline without awareness will defeat the self -discipline itself.
When the purpose of a thing is not known abuse is inevitable.
When the purpose of leadership is not known abuse is inevitable.
religion was suppose to create awareness of the faulty education system we have in this country but they keep mute hoping miracles from God.
This isn't how religious people practice their religion in developed nations.
again, when the purpose of not stealing, not cheating, not looting and not being nepotism is not known, abuse is inevitable.
Religions can stand against all these negative vices, but do they tell people why they should abstain from them?
I don't think so.

The only reason religion has made people to understand is that if you commit these vices or evil you will go to hell fire.
What a weak sense deterent?

Your whole conclusion are based on faulty premises.
Religion itself has nothing to do with what you are trying to rope around it.

No religion says you should sit and hope on God
Not even Islām (my religion). Islam even forbids you to sit down and hope with planing or putting up a strategy approach to issues.
And there are many verses and prophetic statement urging all these I am saying.

My friend, religion has nothing to do with what you people are mouthing off.

Go check your thinking pattern,it does not follow.

Khaleell001:



Your whole conclusion are based on faulty premises.
Religion itself has nothing to do with what you are trying to rope around it.

No religion says you should sit and hope on God
Not even Islām (my religion). Islam even forbids you to sit down and hope with planing or putting up a strategy approach to issues.
And there are many verses and prophetic statement urging all these I am saying.

My friend, religion has nothing to do with what you people are mouthing off.

Go check your thinking pattern,it does not follow.

really?
Tell me, are there no churches today which tells their members they have dominion and double portion as indicated on steakers below?

This is just from one sect.
Other sects like RCCG, Deeper life, Christ embassy, etc have their own steakers like these which are geared at giving people unrealistic hopes of having financial breakthrough just mere becoming their member.

Now, don't get me wrong.
It's good to give church members hope, but that should be done by encouraging these people to get themselves engaged in a carrier that will bring money to them.
But many of the church members are poor, many of them are unemployed who still live from hand to mouth, yet they have dominion.
A situation where you go to church and all you hear are testimonies of breakthrough from church members, one will begin to think that break through comes by being a mere church member which is not true.
That alone is misleading and somehow advance fraud(going by the tithe and offering these church members pay in order for them to be enlightened which they are not)
It's a sign that the church members involve are not intelligent .
It happens in mosques too
And by extention, it shows the mental state of the country that Africans are truly backward.

paxonel:
really?
Tell me, are there no churches today which tells their members they have dominion and double portion as indicated on steakers below?

This is just from one sect.
Other sects like RCCG, Deeper life, Christ embassy, etc have their own steakers like these which are geared at giving people unrealistic hopes of having financial breakthrough just mere becoming their member.

Now, don't get me wrong.
It's good to give church members hope, but that should be done by encouraging these people to get themselves engaged in a carrier that will bring money to them.
But many of the church members are poor, many of them are unemployed who still live from hand to mouth, yet they have dominion.
A situation where you go to church and all you hear are testimonies of breakthrough from church members, one will begin to think that break through comes by being a mere church member which is not true.
That alone is misleading and somehow advance fraud(going by the tithe and offering these church members pay in order for them to be enlightened which they are not)
It's a sign that the church members involve are not intelligent .
It happens in mosques too
And by extention, it shows the mental state of the country that Africans are truly backward.

All you bid to bash religious folks you say it happens in mosques too.

I will quote a prophetic statement which will end this whole argument, but remember, I am only speaking based on what the religious scripture of Islām says not Christianity.

Anas ibn Malik reported: A man from the Ansar came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and begged from him. The Prophet said, “Have you nothing in your house?” The man said, “Yes, a piece of cloth, a part of which we wear and a part of which we spread on the ground, and a wooden bowl from which we drink water.” The Prophet said, “Bring them to me.” The man brought these articles to him and the Prophet took them in his hands and he said, “Who will buy these?” Someone said, “I will buy them for one coin.” The Prophet said twice or thrice, “Who will offer more than one coin?” Someone said, “I will buy them for two coins.” He sold them for two coins and the Prophet said, “Buy food with one of them and give it to your family. Buy an axe and bring it to me.” The man brought it to him. The Prophet fixed a handle on it with his own hands and he said, “Go gather firewood and sell it, and do not let me see you for a fortnight.” The man went away and gathered firewood and sold it. When he had earned ten coins, he came and bought a garment and food. The Prophet said, “This is better for you than for begging to come as a blemish on your face on the Day of Resurrection. Begging is only appropriate for three people: one in grinding poverty, one in serious debt, and one who must pay a difficult compensation.”

Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 1641


Now tell me where does Islām (religion) encourages poverty mentality when even the promoter of the religion condemns begging how much sitting without work log but on hope.

I don't need to cite more evidences for this suffices.

paxonel:
really?
Tell me, are there no churches today which tells their members they have dominion and double portion as indicated on steakers below?

This is just from one sect.
Other sects like RCCG, Deeper life, Christ embassy, etc have their own steakers like these which are geared at giving people unrealistic hopes of having financial breakthrough just mere becoming their member.

Now, don't get me wrong.
It's good to give church members hope, but that should be done by encouraging these people to get themselves engaged in a carrier that will bring money to them.
But many of the church members are poor, many of them are unemployed who still live from hand to mouth, yet they have dominion.
A situation where you go to church and all you hear are testimonies of breakthrough from church members, one will begin to think that break through comes by being a mere church member which is not true.
That alone is misleading and somehow advance fraud(going by the tithe and offering these church members pay in order for them to be enlightened which they are not)
It's a sign that the church members involve are not intelligent .
It happens in mosques too
And by extention, it shows the mental state of the country that Africans are truly backward.

Funny enough religion does not encourage laziness and I can show you A LOT of scriptures from the bible, even those churches you mentioned do not encourage their members to be lazy. If you have attended any of them you will know. We believe we are blessed therefore we put our faith to work. Even the bible says faith without works is dead. We believe in the supernatural too. I don't think there is any wisdom you can tell me that can't be backed with scriptures. The scriptures teach against laziness

GoodBoi1:

Funny enough religion does not encourage laziness and I can show you A LOT of scriptures from the bible,

very true!

even those churches you mentioned do not encourage their members to be lazy. If you have attended any of them you will know. We believe we are blessed therefore we put our faith to work. Even the bible says faith without works is dead. We believe in the supernatural too. I don't think there is any wisdom you can tell me that can't be backed with scriptures. The scriptures teach against laziness

but what's your take on the issue of miracle of quick prosperity like Dominion, breakthrough or whatever promised by pastors to church members?
Is it scriptural that God is in the business of granting unmerited favour to Christians who are committed to church?
If it is not scriptural, why are pastors keep giving church members such hopes of prosperity?

I tell you, a lot of Christians have abandoned hard work thinking they will be favoured by God as promised by these pastors and the favour is not coming, so a lot of them keep wallowing in poverty hoping that rescue will miraculously show up someday.

Khaleell001:



All you bid to bash religious folks you say it happens in mosques too.

I will quote a prophetic statement which will end this whole argument, but remember, I am only speaking based on what the religious scripture of Islām says not Christianity.

Anas ibn Malik reported: A man from the Ansar came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and begged from him. The Prophet said, “Have you nothing in your house?” The man said, “Yes, a piece of cloth, a part of which we wear and a part of which we spread on the ground, and a wooden bowl from which we drink water.” The Prophet said, “Bring them to me.” The man brought these articles to him and the Prophet took them in his hands and he said, “Who will buy these?” Someone said, “I will buy them for one coin.” The Prophet said twice or thrice, “Who will offer more than one coin?” Someone said, “I will buy them for two coins.” He sold them for two coins and the Prophet said, “Buy food with one of them and give it to your family. Buy an axe and bring it to me.” The man brought it to him. The Prophet fixed a handle on it with his own hands and he said, “Go gather firewood and sell it, and do not let me see you for a fortnight.” The man went away and gathered firewood and sold it. When he had earned ten coins, he came and bought a garment and food. The Prophet said, “This is better for you than for begging to come as a blemish on your face on the Day of Resurrection. Begging is only appropriate for three people: one in grinding poverty, one in serious debt, and one who must pay a difficult compensation.”

Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 1641


Now tell me where does Islām (religion) encourages poverty mentality when even the promoter of the religion condemns begging how much sitting without work log but on hope.

I don't need to cite more evidences for this suffices.

have you ever visited the northern part of Nigeria before?
There is an Islamic system known as almajiri which encourage children to beg.
What do you say to that?

paxonel:
very true!
but what's your take on the issue of miracle of quick prosperity like Dominion, breakthrough or whatever promised by pastors to church members?
Is it scriptural that God is in the business of granting unmerited favour to Christians who are committed to church?
If it is not scriptural, why are pastors keep giving church members such hopes of prosperity?

I tell you, a lot of Christians have abandoned hard work thinking they will be favoured by God as promised by these pastors and the favour is not coming, so a lot of them keep wallowing in poverty hoping that rescue will miraculously show up someday.

As seen in the scriptures I believe that nothing is impossible for God to do. Also, God favours the righteous and blesses the work of their hands but they must play their own part putting in the work to demonstrate their faith and God will do what man can not do. If you look at several miracles in the bible, you will see a pattern, they occur after man has done his part then God does the miracle. So if we are blessed and favored, we cannot just keep lying down on our bed and expecting money to fall from the sky, we have to put in the effort because it is a proof that we believe

Ps 5: 12 Surely, LORD, you bless the righteous; you surround them with your favor as with a shield.

Ps 90:17 May the favor of the Lord our God rest on us; establish the work of our hands for us-- yes, establish the work of our hands.


Ps. 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.


The blessings of the Lord is real but we must work in line if we believe. A person cannot make efforts when he/she is unsure

2Thess. 3:10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.

Great thread and thumbs up to OP!

It's only foolish people pretending to be 'woke' that will blame religion (at least, solely) as the reason for Africa's backwardness. Some think being atheist makes them look/sound intelligent.

It doesn't.

Great Nations dont have the time to be lapping up fakery, there are people on the continent that cannot wait to rise beyond greater heights.

Religion is supposed to make one relative to virtuosness.

Virtuosness is a fun and nice quality to have.

Religion is not the problem its all the Abrahamic ones that are, they peddle falsities, fakery and manufactured history.

Ultimately, all those Abrahamic religions built themselves around the exploitation of the continent.

Yes, all the Abrahamic religions are the reason for the current African situation, including our leaders.