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hmm..fact Bro. we keep blaming religion especially Christianity for our woes and failures as if we are the most religious set of people on earth.

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2Timothy 6:10
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1tim 6:10

Is confraternity a religion?

The followers are

What is the reason for the follower's backwardness, bearing in mind that the leaders often graduate up from followership?

Therein lies the problems.

A docile, corrupt (morally and otherwise), evil and wicked followership can't transform into a good leadership overnight.

Our problems are ingrained and in our DNA.

It is a race thing, not just continental Africa but with blacks world over.

paxonel:
But our leaders are more products of religion rather than quality education yes or no?

How many of our leaders does not go to church or mosque or some African shrine?

So does that mean that they steal money because they are religious or it simply means that you can be a religious thief and the two are mutually exclusive qualities of an individual?

Nemesis909:
What's the need of researching into the cure of Ebola when we can simply pray whilst we wait for the atheist oyinbo to find it?

All of this is the fault of KOWA party.

Have you considered that Christians are equally encouraged to study and research more often than not? If anything, the Nigerian church has done well in their foremeost drive to improve educational prowness in our society. While underplay the church's achievements in science to support your ridiculous stance against it

The problem with 'religion' though is the shutting down of critical reasoning amongst its adherents which causes extreme behaviour that perpetuates bad leadership such as a tendency to violence on one extreme and extreme docility on the other. That is why the argument of mixing religion with state affairs and politics always arises which should not be.

Religion is meant to enhance the inherent quality of citizenship which reflects in the quality of leadershio. Without good quality citizens you cannot have good quality leaders. Who chooses leaders for goodness sake, who empowers and sustains them... the citizens, the religious citizens of course. No one can simply rise up and take leadership without the suppprt of the average citizen.

To have good quality citizens you need to have an educated and inspired citizenship. These empirical values stand against what most functions of modern day religion projects. When and how does faith and reality meet and mix. How can you build a better now if your eyes are set ONLY ON HEAVEN OR THE THEREAFTER.

Tellemall:
Why bother explaining what cannot be understood by minds that want to forsake God anyway?

Anywhere Black people are is always backward.

It has nothing to do with religion, but that the average Black man is vain, crude, greedy, selfish/self-centered, conceited, egotistic and wants to be worshipped, cannot innovate, has no good foundation, grew up in slums, villages, and lives to lavish money extravagantly, etc. Put such a person in control and watch Africa reborn over and over again.

This is why where people of color are there is always refuse and open sewers. But to those who don't want to believe in God claim it is because of religion. If so, the whole world would be a cesspit, because everywhere is religious.

The Cadillac was a dead brand until the prideful, greedy nature of Blacks was discovered by the manufacturers who were Whites.

You are dull to say that black people are always backward

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The problem with 'religion' though is the shutting down of critical reasoning amongst its adherents which causes extreme behaviour that perpetuates bad leadership such as a tendency to violence on one extreme and extreme docility on the other. That is why the argument of mixing religion with state affairs and politics always arises which should not be.

Religion is meant to enhance the inherent quality of citizenship which reflects in the quality of leadershio. Without good quality citizens you cannot have good quality leaders. Who chooses leaders for goodness sake, who empowers and sustains them... the citizens, the religious citizens of course. No one can simply rise up and take leadership without the suppprt of the average citizen.

To have good quality citizens you need to have an educated and inspired citizenship. These empirical values stand against what most functions of modern day religion projects. When and how does faith and reality meet and mix. How can you build a better now if your eyes are set ONLY ON HEAVEN OR THE THEREAFTER.

Ws the ministry of Jesus Christ here on earth not a prime example of how you can build a better now and yet have a promise of a better eternity? Hungry people were fed, sick were healed...He even paid his tax when demanded.

So what are you on about?

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princeogbeide1:


You are dull to say that black people are always backward

And you are wise to belong to that group of backward people and support them. No wonder Africa is a shithole.

Religion isn't making Africa backward. People like you are. Your presence just makes it so.

The plaque that erode every possibility of development in Nigeria are religious bigot, tribalism, and wrong people in politics.

These problems have dashed every possibility of development in Nigeria and Africa at large.

And worse of all is the inability of most Africans to think independently. Everyone just follow the trend helplessly.

Mrchippychappy:


Thats not down to religion, thats due to misplaced priorities from our leaders.

Don't you think the money(billions of naira) they used in erecting the biggest churches and mosques should have been used to build industries for our teeming unemployed graduates....

Do you know how many churches/mosques that's in Nigeria?

I noticed the chirstian section is an open thread but not the same with the muslim one u have to be a moselem

Dov3:


Have you considered that Christians are equally encouraged to study and research more often than not? If anything, the Nigerian church has done well in their foremeost drive to improve educational prowness in our society. While underplay the church's achievements in science to support your ridiculous stance against it

Some churches don't subscribe to drugs. I knew one church during my childhood, they don't go to hospital, even during child birth, they believe it's against their faith. There's another group that don't allow blood transfusion, even at the point of death. It's in africa you'll hear people drinking jik or eating grass for deliverance, these beliefs are against proper education.

If you want to deactivate a black man's reasoning process or cognitive ability use a religion he supports!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qipje_Jg-OA

NPComplete:
What leaders are u talking about?
The leaders are a reflection of the collective predilections of the people. You have bad leaders because you are bad people and only maintain systems that appeal to the lowest common denominator and ensure they get into positions of power.

Religion has always and will always be a major problem to us. It is religion that makes the black man go to vigil and scream his heart out instead of working and using his head. It is what makes MFM guys kill their enemies every year with no result to show for it financially and materially yet still remain adamant and stick to the same futile strategies.
The version of religion we practice encourages men to steal so they can come give testimony in churches. It encourages wanton looting by civil servants so they can get front row and positions of deacons in church.

The energy we have expended in praying to God, who has already blessed us with everything we need, could have been best applied into creative pursuits. Religion encourages indolence and the emphasis on miracles stymies but technological and business growth.

Let me give u an example. In other less religious countries, when a business man is failing at his business, he begins to reconsider his strategy. He thinks up innovative ways and failing that, he closes the business and seek better opportunities suited to him. In Africa and other religion-induced low IQ countries, the man baulks at the first sign of trouble and runs to church. His pastors begins to tell him there is something after him and enemies are at the gates. Suddenly the country, nay the world, has lost an opportunity to see a new innovation or a new idea. The man himself has lost an opportunity to grow and know himself better. The list is endless....

Religion is a problem. It hinders men from using their abilities most times.

You are blaming religion for the attitudes of people and their values.

African values are low.

This is why a person will walk and spit mucus, throw rubbish, urinate and shit on the roadside. Is it religion that made an African do this?

Tellemall:


And you are wise to belong to that group of backward people and support them. No wonder Africa is a shithole.

Religion isn't making Africa backward. People like you are. Your presence just makes it so.

From your first post, you said Africans are always backward and I repeat that you are the most foolish person I have seen on Nairaland.

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Africa is bad because of Africans.

Religion is like a gun--useful but deadly in the wrong hands. Africans chose to thread the wrong path of religion. Saudi (the land of Mecca) and Israel (the center of Christianity) are doing a whole lot better than Islamic and Christian African countries. Go figure!

If only Africans will learn to be logical instead of emotional will they progress. Dearth of logic means that they can easily be manipulated and other races are cashing in on their puerile exuberance.
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Dov3:


Have you considered that Christians are equally encouraged to study and research more often than not? If anything, the Nigerian church has done well in their foremeost drive to improve educational prowness in our society. While underplay the church's achievements in science to support your ridiculous stance against it

Name one cure from the stables of a 'Christian' laboratory.

Ok one innovation.

Tellemall:


And you are wise to belong to that group of backward people and support them. No wonder Africa is a shithole.

Religion isn't making Africa backward. People like you are. Your presence just makes it so.

From your first post, you said Africans are always backward and I repeat that you are the most foolishh person I have seen on Nairaland.

princeogbeide1:


From your first post, you said Africans are always backward and I repeat that you are the most foolish person I have seen on Nairaland.

Did you read what I said in that line or you saw what you wanted to? Read it again and then begin a fresh post.

Read the first word of that line so that you will not continue to reflect Africaness.

I had wanted to insult you, but you're incapable of reading and understanding. And why should I insult a pebble?

Tellemall:


Did you read what I said in that line or you saw what you wanted to? Read it again and then begin a fresh post.

Read the first word of that line so that you will not continue to reflect Africaness.

You don't reflected Africaness because you are a sadistic creature. Besides Africaness is not an English word. No iota of logic in your brain.

princeogbeide1:


You don't reflected Africaness because you are a sadistic creature. Besides Africaness is not an English word. No iota of logic in your brain.

Continue stagnating in your African backwardness. It's so bad the rest of the world has to breathe with black people.

Religion is..
it makes the followers kinda retrogressive especially with respect to accountability, people don't wanna question 'higher authorities' or elders.. they prefer to pass the bulk to God to 'do it in his time' & blame devil/village people when things go south.. many religious see using practical based/scientific approach as lack of faith, do you know I grew up seeing the hospital as a bad place and the doctors as carriers of evil report.. imaging such mindset in about 80% of our populace.. until we learn to QUESTION our leaders: Political, religious, family (head of the house) etc instead of only praying for them, our mumu Neva do..
So yes! religion issa big problem.

Not only our leaders. Who elects these leaders? Cows? Nigerians are the reason for Nigeria's backwardness