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Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by moneyitc: 2:27pm On Oct 23, 2010 |
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Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by govnor: 3:35pm On Oct 23, 2010 |
Hello folks, why do we criticize bluntly without really taken time give people right to their opinion. N180k was invoiced as cost to set up MYSQL database for a website! So? As a professional in the creative field, quotes varies so much that for the fact that someone quote is far lesser than others those not mean one will successfully implement a project to to one's expectation. We have lots of jokers around parading as web experts. From experience quality project delivery will attract some cost. just like someone suggested, why not invite the two developers to showcase their portfolios. Then request for a demo in order to see if they understand the project. ([b]Pls pay them inconveniences allowance for this task[/b]) I feel N180K is a peanut when you intend to have value at per or even better than this dynamic forum (Nairaland). If i were in your shoes, i will take time to do research and get my house in order. I don't think you have a firm understanding of what you want and what the project entails. Forget about the cost for now. You as the project initiator should seek knowledge about what is involved. then get a professional usually a consultant to assist you in setting up the project. As a web consultant, i think this should be your action plan First consider a very good and consistent HOSTING ACCOUNT. seek companies with fair pricing with good capacity to help you with your vision. I will advice you have a dedicated hosting plan rather than shared plan. Secondly, do a wire fire of your plan with a capable and experience web designer and developer. (2). This will be a template and guide that will help your procedure during the design and development process. This is very important Do this BEFORE moving even the mouse. Thirdly, Seek advice in terms of security. this is important. Make plans and seek very capable hand, NOT a learner. Do not compromise this. There are few developer who are very good in this area. I think once you have all these, you can then have an idea of the cost implication. Try these out and see.
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Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by creamofluv: 5:28pm On Oct 23, 2010 |
As seun explained, its depend the kind of functionality your looking for, forum scripts can been free and paid, smf, vbulleting, phpbb, and also you can get hosting as low as £1.99/mo with database included, if your even lucky you will see hosting company having unlimited database, before you guys quote me there is nothing like unlimited database but that is another story entirely. And also you can buy skin/theme for your forum and have it modded, its good if you can learn a little php, if not you can outsource your job to the indian guys who will charge less and do a better job. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by fxmaxony(m): 6:10pm On Oct 23, 2010 |
@suxe2005 with this info below you wrote in your profile "Making Money Like Neva B4, Website flipping, Affiliate Marketing, Domain name registration, web host, article write, infact i am INTERNET" me think that this is not the intention for this thread, at least you should have known that almost all forum scripts abound free in the net. and easy to install. sum made this thread a promo thread and more over a corridor for web master discussion, I just dey do my own thing my own way with cool head, pls I did not mean to offend. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by lactemps(m): 7:18pm On Oct 23, 2010 |
Spend 2 weeks with SMF or phpbb3 forums and you will have an idea of what you want. Also these are OPEN Source programs thats are completely free and have a very big community that are ready to help in case of any queries. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by bashtech: 10:03pm On Oct 23, 2010 |
@ Very good advice to the poster. @ jmslimx, so by getting 10k-20k for hosting forum is that's all? I think you have to do more research and study far than even getting somebody to customize it for you. lactemps: See, I still wonder no body take time to really explained what difficulties involved in developing and hosting a real forum that will get big hits like nairaland. Let's start with looking at some claims by http://www.websiteoutlook nairaland.com has 1970 traffic rank in world by alexa. nairaland.com is getting 558375 pageviews per day and making USD 1677.36 daily. nairaland.com has 596546 (at the time am writing this reply) backlinks according to yahoo and listed in Dmoz directory. nairaland.com is hosted in United States at Limestone Networks data center. nairaland.com is most populer in NIGERIA. Estimated worth of nairaland.com is USD 1.22 Million according to websiteoutlook What I want to point out here is that Seun is definately spending on bandwidth and hosting to his hosting provider (Limestone), but off course he is making big payback from Google Adsense. Now, what matters in hosting such a forum is hosting providers and bandwidth capacity, ability to co-ordinate and make good contribution to the forum, finding and outsourcing good and trusted moderators etc.One more way to understand this very well is to understand bandwidth for hosting sites, traffics etc. BandWidth Explained Most hosting companies offer a variety of bandwidth options in their plans. So exactly what is bandwidth as it relates to web hosting? Put simply, bandwidth is the amount of traffic that is allowed to occur between your web site and the rest of the internet. The amount of bandwidth a hosting company can provide is determined by their network connections, both internal to their data center and external to the public internet. Network Connectivity The internet, in the most simplest of terms, is a group of millions of computers connected by networks. These connections within the internet can be large or small depending upon the cabling and equipment that is used at a particular internet location. It is the size of each network connection that determines how much bandwidth is available. For example, if you use a DSL connection to connect to the internet, you have 1.54 Mega bits (Mb) of bandwidth. Bandwidth therefore is measured in bits (a single 0 or 1). Bits are grouped in bytes which form words, text, and other information that is transferred between your computer and the internet. If you have a DSL connection to the internet, you have dedicated bandwidth between your computer and your internet provider. But your internet provider may have thousands of DSL connections to their location. All of these connection aggregate at your internet provider who then has their own dedicated connection to the internet (or multiple connections) which is much larger than your single connection. They must have enough bandwidth to serve your computing needs as well as all of their other customers. So while you have a 1.54Mb connection to your internet provider, your internet provider may have a 255Mb connection to the internet so it can accommodate your needs and up to 166 other users (255/1.54). Traffic A very simple analogy to use to understand bandwidth and traffic is to think of highways and cars. Bandwidth is the number of lanes on the highway and traffic is the number of cars on the highway. If you are the only car on a highway, you can travel very quickly. If you are stuck in the middle of rush hour, you may travel very slowly since all of the lanes are being used up. Traffic is simply the number of bits that are transferred on network connections. It is easiest to understand traffic using examples. One Gigabyte is 2 to the 30th power (1,073,741,824) bytes. One gigabyte is equal to 1,024 megabytes. To put this in perspective, it takes one byte to store one character. Imagine 100 file cabinets in a building, each of these cabinets holds 1000 folders. Each folder has 100 papers. Each paper contains 100 characters - A GB is all the characters in the building. An MP3 song is about 4MB, the same song in wav format is about 40MB, a full length movie can be 800MB to 1000MB (1000MB = 1GB). If you were to transfer this MP3 song from a web site to your computer, you would create 4MB of traffic between the web site you are downloading from and your computer. Depending upon the network connection between the web site and the internet, the transfer may occur very quickly, or it could take time if other people are also downloading files at the same time. If, for example, the web site you download from has a 10MB connection to the internet, and you are the only person accessing that web site to download your MP3, your 4MB file will be the only traffic on that web site. However, if three people are all downloading that same MP at the same time, 12MB (3 x 4MB) of traffic has been created. Because in this example, the host only has 10MB of bandwidth, someone will have to wait. The network equipment at the hosting company will cycle through each person downloading the file and transfer a small portion at a time so each person's file transfer can take place, but the transfer for everyone downloading the file will be slower. If 100 people all came to the site and downloaded the MP3 at the same time, the transfers would be extremely slow. If the host wanted to decrease the time it took to download files simultaneously, it could increase the bandwidth of their internet connection (at a cost due to upgrading equipment). Hosting Bandwidth In the example above, we discussed traffic in terms of downloading an MP3 file. However, each time you visit a web site, you are creating traffic, because in order to view that web page on your computer, the web page is first downloaded to your computer (between the web site and you) which is then displayed using your browser software (Internet Explorer, Netscape, etc.) . The page itself is simply a file that creates traffic just like the MP3 file in the example above (however, a web page is usually much smaller than a music file). A web page may be very small or large depending upon the amount of text and the number and quality of images integrated within the web page. For example, the home page for CNN.com is about 200KB (200 Kilobytes = 200,000 bytes = 1,600,000 bits). This is typically large for a web page. In comparison, Yahoo's home page is about 70KB. How Much Bandwidth Is Enough? It depends (don't you hate that answer). But in truth, it does. Since bandwidth is a significant determinant of hosting plan prices, you should take time to determine just how much is right for you. Almost all hosting plans have bandwidth requirements measured in months, so you need to estimate the amount of bandwidth that will be required by your site on a monthly basis If you do not intend to provide file download capability from your site, the formula for calculating bandwidth is fairly straightforward: Average Daily Visitors x Average Page Views x Average Page Size x 31 x Fudge Factor If you intend to allow people to download files from your site, your bandwidth calculation should be: [(Average Daily Visitors x Average Page Views x Average Page Size) + (Average Daily File Downloads x Average File Size)] x 31 x Fudge Factor Let us examine each item in the formula: Average Daily Visitors - The number of people you expect to visit your site, on average, each day. Depending upon how you market your site, this number could be from 1 to 1,000,000. Average Page Views - On average, the number of web pages you expect a person to view. If you have 50 web pages in your web site, an average person may only view 5 of those pages each time they visit. Average Page Size - The average size of your web pages, in Kilobytes (KB). If you have already designed your site, you can calculate this directly. Average Daily File Downloads - The number of downloads you expect to occur on your site. This is a function of the numbers of visitors and how many times a visitor downloads a file, on average, each day. Average File Size - Average file size of files that are downloadable from your site. Similar to your web pages, if you already know which files can be downloaded, you can calculate this directly. Fudge Factor - A number greater than 1. Using 1.5 would be safe, which assumes that your estimate is off by 50%. However, if you were very unsure, you could use 2 or 3 to ensure that your bandwidth requirements are more than met. Usually, hosting plans offer bandwidth in terms of Gigabytes (GB) per month. This is why our formula takes daily averages and multiplies them by 31. Summary Most personal or small business sites will not need more than 1GB of bandwidth per month. If you have a web site that is composed of static web pages and you expect little traffic to your site on a daily basis, go with a low bandwidth plan. If you go over the amount of bandwidth allocated in your plan, your hosting company could charge you over usage fees, so if you think the traffic to your site will be significant, you may want to go through the calculations above to estimate the amount of bandwidth required in a hosting plan. I hope the above on Bandwidth explanation will help not only you, but anybody interested in big time forum business that will attrack big hits from users to general cash for Adsense. Note: Am not the original author of the bandwidth explanation. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by lifestyle1(m): 12:00am On Oct 24, 2010 |
Create it then call me to break it, I dont set record but break records, |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by dee5(m): 9:22am On Oct 24, 2010 |
i think the guy in question should first weigh his pocket before shelling out demands. any serious net surfer can install a forum for you at ultra low prices. but its the good will and technical expertise of the web developer you need if you intend to create a successful forum like NL which is by the way powered by an outdated forum software SMF 1.0.12 and I believe you would require a custom made theme as well as some plugins etcetera etcetera. so i know that 180k could just be a fair price depending on your demands but first let everyone know what your budget is and they can provide you with a service that matches you pocket. btw whats the idea behind the SHALOM salutation? |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by Nobody: 12:13pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
yawa-ti-de: GBAM!!! 95% of your post just makes great sense. Wa just laughing when people kept on complaining the charges is too high. It is folks like these that make the web industry look cheap and unprofessional. Everyone has a right to charge you whatever and however (payment plan) It is left to you to either accept or decline. When Zenith bank minimum balance was 100k for savings account, did it stop them from getting high class customers even far more than the 1k account opening banks and the rest. Every business (be it corporate or one man show) has a RIGHT TO GIVE A QUOTE no matter how much it is. Benz and nissan, toyota,honda and the rest are not mates even though they are have 4 wheels. Thats why benz is terned the "prestige car". If i charge a client 80k for a STATIC and he/she can pay without stress, why now chase about 5 clients wanting to pay 20k (clients like this always give more stress and never balance up). WEB DEVELOPERS NOW IS THE TIME TO INCLUDE MANAGERIAL SKILLS TO YOUR BUSINESS IF YOUR WANT TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL. i will suggest you guys should get to read the following book; THE 80/20 PRINCIPLE - RICHARD KOCH HOW THE MIGHTY FALL - JIM COLLINS BUSINESS ETIQUETTE IN BRIEF - ANN MARIE SABATH WHAT GOT YOU HERE WON'T GET YOU THERE - MARSHALL GOLDSMITH. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by Youngichou(m): 12:37pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
Seun has said it all. Pls my friend if you are good on Php / Html / Css and Javascript you can do all this editing yourself to get your need. I could remember when i was learning in Php i installed Smf and wanted it to look like Nairaland.com or Naijahotjobs with the front page headliner this many people told me was impossible but i finally did it. Although i didnt use 9airaland themes i used 9jahotjobs. And i change everything nice. To an extent i got called by Symdach technologies(JAMB WEB PROGRAMMERS) to give out my designing script and i wont lie you i sold my editing for 50k. So my guy what am trying to say in essense is if this guy can give you what you want at the price of 180k then pay him over but if you feel you can programm in the above languages then you can edit these things your self with the security stuff you talked about. Look up to yourself and bear in mind the American motto: Everything is possible. And pls [B] Note that when you get a full domain from a webhost it comes with Mysql [/b] which is free and if your host does not have Mysql you can download it and install. So i dont see why that STUPID LADY is telling 180k. She must be insane. Pls guy open your eyes you know say na9ja we dey. And note that not all pple that call themselves web expert are. But few are. Some are just empty barrels. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by netghost: 4:18pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
Donpuzo:i decided to leave the answer for those with working knowledge of it |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by IG: 4:43pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
I think there is nothing wrong for charging 180K for MySql. If we consider that MySql is not always free but operate on a dual license. One non-free license for commercial use and GPL for non-commercial use. Even if she use the free license (GPL), the GPL license allows you to charge money for the any software covered by the license. You only have to transfer all the rights you have under the GPL to the purchaser i.e the purchaser can either sell it or give it out for free. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by suxes2005(m): 6:52pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
govnor: I love yur post but yuu neva answer my question fully. Amalaaba: Thanks for your input bro. @all, I am stil confusd about this MySql of a thing You guys are yet to tell me all it means! Does it mean without this the forum cant start? Or can I buy the domain name, install smf and maybe later pay som1 for dis? Maybe you can just stat answerin by giving me step by step guide on how to build a forum! Do not forget that dos successful foreign bloggers do receive help b4 dey succeed. So kindly help with enuf info. As for me, i dont really like cheap things just asking if the money worths it or not SHALOM |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by lactemps(m): 7:33pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
I think there is nothing wrong for charging 180K for MySql. If we consider that MySql is not always free but operate on a dual license. One non-free license for commercial use and GPL for non-commercial use. Even if she use the free license (GPL), the GPL license allows you to charge money for the any software covered by the license. You only have to transfer all the rights you have under the GPL to the purchaser i.e the purchaser can either sell it or give it out for free. Even after all these explanations, we still get this argument!!! Waoooooooooooo MySql comes FREE with your webhost, and if your webhost charges you for it, then change HOSt period. All these "Experts" should not start shelling wrong info around. I just think that if the "Open Source" guys were Nigerians, no one would ever get anything (HELP Included) free. @OP Forum Software like SMF, phpbb3 etc are FREE Open Source with Great Community to answer all your queries and even help you out in case of problems with modification of your forums. and even security of your forum. All you have to do is either research more on forum software or pay a "Competent" developer to do the job for you. BUT NEVER pay anyone that charges you separately for a component that comes with your MAIN package. Do a googling of most things you want 2 learn. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by IG: 8:11pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
lactemps: I still maintain that she has the right to charge 180K for MySQL database. It doesn't matter if it comes free with the webhosting plan. That is why I explained that the GPL open source license allows you to either charge for the software covered or give it out for free. She chose to charge for it and the webhost chose to give it out for free. Considering the fact that MySQL comes as part of the hosting package, it is not entirely free but is charged as part of the hosting fee. @OP MySQL is a relational database management system (RDBMS). RDBMS is a software that allows you to store data in a structured manner and allows for efficient search/retrival, updating and insertion of records. And Yes you need a database to get the site running. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by Youngichou(m): 8:51pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
IG:come on my friend dont be so stupid. She does not have any right to charge at that rate. If you think she really needs to charge at that save then i need you to answer the following questions. 1. IS SHE INSTALLING a MySQL database into the server? 2. Is she going to use the so called GpL LICENSED MYSQL or an Oracle. 3. What kind of make is her MySql that cost so much. 4. Is she going to work on the Sql. Of cause all this are all No. After all she is not a webhost provider, she is just a web developer. @ OP pls dont let anyone deceive you on worthless and unmeaningfull things like some1 said if nigerians were the producers of this MySql it would have no free version meaning nigerians dont give for free. Pls Man get a host i mean a good host and not the like off SMARTWEBNG, Ideyfornaija, and all this things about MySQL will be solve for you. IT comes free and you can create unlimited for example i host with Lagoshost and on my Cpanel i can create unlimited number of Database infact i have the GPL DATABASE FOR FREE DURING my host last SERVER UPGRADE TO THE LATEST CPANEL and i use a shared hosting for just 6K. PLEASE DONT BE DECEIVED GO INSTALL YOUR FORUM. Be it SMF or many others and go to there online community for help. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by Nobody: 9:14pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
Calling someone silly, insane, really necessary I wish i was Louis that billed that, and one dude comes around to call me silly or insane, i will vend my anger of code bugs on the person If i was the one to do the job i will bill over thrice of what our dear sister billed. Does that make me insane?? Nope! Ok. Let me say something. Since i don't have any SMF forum online, i will consult someone with one, and definately i will pay the person(I hate someone working for free for me! Mostly for what i was paid for) If i collected 180k like Louis and work with the expert(If it was Seun, will he collect 10k or even 40 Nope!). So i will bill well, so i can give the expert or experts proper pay. And get mine, for a lot of other things! This days i like Web Applications, so most that SMF would not offer, i will create! I would rather not take an SMF site as a contract than build one with 3 members online in 3 years Optimization is there, Advert is there to settle(Google, Facebook, e.t.c) Abeg free the developer. It depends on what she proffered to develop! Many of you guys commenting have dead forums. That's as a result of the fact that you thought SMF is free and as such you can just sit and do nothing! Quadrillio was the first person to tell me what SMF is. And today i have never worked with it. The closest was a site i saw. I went inside my room to eat, while the configuration was going on. When they were done, i came out and went back to my good old hand coding! |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by DualCore1: 9:22pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
lactemps: Here you go http://pastebin.com/XU0WNkCq |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by Nobody: 9:42pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
Dual Core: Spamingo Botingo don result Dual to regular subscription to pastebin! I dare not call it's real so i add ingo, else i will be banned! **laughing** |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by lactemps(m): 10:26pm On Oct 24, 2010 |
Here you go http://pastebin.com/XU0WNkCqThanks DualCore, I did see the message under my post profile blah blah blah, This prompts me to ask if there was any Bolltingo spongitto in the post, cos I have some forums, and would not want 2 write anything that will prompt the ugly bad boltts (double "t" mine) cos I respect the chance given by any forum 2 air Ur views. I will still maintain that our so called "Mega Developers" should learn being modern and have a mind that we need 2 leave some good IT legacies for our young Generation and those to come, Don't lie to your potential clients because you want to charge them more and confuse them with terminologies, you loose FUTURE clients, cos client loyalty is better than quick buck. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by IG: 1:22am On Oct 25, 2010 |
Youngichou: You might think that 180k is outrageous for MySQL that comes as part of a hosting plan, but that doesn't take away her rights to charge for that amount. If you think it's unreasonable then simply go get a different developer. It's an open market out there. Besides just because somebody uses open source tools to develop a solution for you doesn't mean that person shouldn't charge for it. That is why the license made it clear that you can charge for it. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by Youngichou(m): 8:32am On Oct 25, 2010 |
IG:well Ok i agree, i agree You can even charge your Client[b] 900000000m[/b] just to develop just A page website. Hmmmmm nigerians just will never seize to amaze me. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by lactemps(m): 9:46am On Oct 25, 2010 |
You get something FREE with FREE Community to give FREE advice and HELP, and you turn around (ONLY in NIGERIA) and charge for it, WHAT A MENTALITY. This mentality is one of the REASONS Poverty will NEVER be eradicated from our Land. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by logica(m): 10:26am On Oct 25, 2010 |
LOL. |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by Youngichou(m): 11:48am On Oct 25, 2010 |
lactemps:real 9ja mentality my brother |
Re: What Does Mysql Database Means? by IG: 3:03pm On Oct 25, 2010 |
Youngichou: Yes you can, and somebody else can charge 15K. It is up to the client to make a choice. But I am not going to take away your rights to charge. Please let us understand what open source software represent. OSS do not necessarily have to free. RedHat charges money for their enterprise Linux distribution despite GNU/Linux being open source. They are only exercising their rights to charge money for the software. People buy their products because they have proven that it is worth buying. The same goes for the web developer in question, she can charge 180k if she can prove it is worth it. lactemps: Those people that gave it to you for free also gave you the right to charge money for it. So why are we attacking her for exercising that right. If you really want to help the original poster then show him the available alternatives and let him decide. |
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