chic2pimp:

Where did you Get the idea of NDs wanting to keep all the oil money to themselves?
We would like part of the money be used to develop our state, or is that too much to ask for?
Chei nah so e pain you reach

Ok you say you want a "larger" share so you can develop your areas. But your governors receive 13% derivation while other states receive 5%. So right now, your states receive a larger share, but what are your governors doing with 8% more revenue I heard Ibori's wifes prosecutors saying something about the mans lavish trips to Las Vegas.

When you sell your cashew nuts, beans and co, you keep the bulk of your profit and only pay tax to the government abi?! But after degrading our land, killing off the fishes in our waters, polluting the air with carbon from gas flarings, even the rain that falls on our crops are acid rains, how much compensation do you pay for cancer?! How much compensation do you pay for taking away the livelihood of a people everyday?! Even after this oil mining is done, we would still keep suffering the effects of it.

Yes we want the darn oil!! Its on our land so its ours!! You dont see us coming to lay claim to your uranuim and tin do you?! Keep your minerals and let us keep ours. We would pay taxes to the government on oil just like the North pays on cash crops.

chic2pimp:

Chei nah so e pain you reach

You never see anything my dear. Let the Federal government keep bleeping around with the Niger Delta till real educated men come in and take over the militancy from these foot soldiers. We will cripple oil explorations with one strike.

Solomon227:

"Given that Scotland is not a sovereign state (like the ND states), it has no effective maritime claims and for such purposes is part of the maritime claims of the United Kingdom (like Nigeria),  systems in Great Britain - that of Scots law pertaining to Scotland and English law pertaining to England and Wales, constitutional law in the United Kingdom has provided for the division of the UK sector of the North Sea into specific Scottish and English components[5]. The Continental Shelf Act 1964 and the Continental Shelf (Jurisdiction) Order 1968 defines the UK North Sea maritime area to the north of latitude 55 degrees north as being under the jurisdiction of Scots law[6] meaning that 90% of the UK's oil resources were under Scottish jurisdiction[7][8]. In addition, section 126 of the Scotland Act 1998 defines Scottish waters as the internal waters and territorial sea of the United Kingdom as are adjacent to Scotland[9]. This has been subsequently amended by the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundary Order 1999 which redefined the extent of Scottish waters and Scottish fishery limits[10][11].
Recent evidence by Kemp and Stephen (1999) has tried to estimate hypothetical Scottish shares of North Sea Oil revenue by dividing the UK sector of the North Sea into separate Scottish and UK sectors using the international principle of equidistance as utilised under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) - such a convention is used in defining the maritime assets of newly formed states and resolving international maritime disputes. The study by Kemp & Stephen showed that hypothesised Scottish shares of North Sea oil revenue over the period 1970 to 1999, varied to as high as 98%[12] dependent upon the price of oil and offset against taxable profits and the costs of exploration and development"



"In the United States, oil and gas rights to a particular parcel may be owned by private individuals, corporations, Indian tribes, or by local, state, or federal governments. Oil and gas rights extend vertically downward from the property line. Unless explicitly separated by a deed, oil and gas rights are owned by the surface landowner. Once severed from surface ownership, oil and gas rights may be bought, sold, or transferred, like other real estate property.
Oil and gas rights offshore are owned by either the state or federal government and leased to oil companies for development. The tidelands controversy involve the limits of state ownership.
Although oil and gas laws vary by state, the laws regarding ownership prior to, at, and after extraction are nearly universal. An owner of real estate also owns the minerals underneath the surface, unless the minerals are severed under a previous deed or an agreement.
[edit]Prior to and at extraction
Unless mineral rights are severed, whoever owns the fee of the soil owns everything below the surface, limited by the extent of the surface rights (Del Monte Mining & Milling Co. v. Last Chance Mining & Milling Co.). Because oil and gas are fluids, they may flow in the subsurface across property boundaries. In this way, an operator may permissibly extract oil and gas from beneath the land of another, if the extraction is lawfully conducted on his own property (Kelly v. Ohio Oil Co.). An operator may not, however, angle a well to penetrate beneath property not owned by or leased to him.
The two conflicting legal doctrines covering oil and gas extraction are the rule of capture, and the correlative rights doctrine. Which of the doctrines applies in a particular case depends on state law, which varies considerably from state to state, or in the case of the federal offshore zone, on US federal law.
The rule of capture gives land owners an incentive to pump out oil as quickly as possible to capture the oil of their neighbors. Such practice may deplete the gas pressure needed to force oil out of the ground. Government agencies such as the Texas Railroad Commission therefore regulate extraction by individual owners"


Mr Krenko go back to your village and start doing everything to tap your resources. He who owns d land owns the resources therein, the ND states own their lands and if diz Nation breaks up today they will not only go with their lands but also with the territorial waters that carry more oil.
I have long realised this bitter truth and have vowed to do my own little way to improve d economy of my own state and town.

The ND states will cont fighting for what is their right. They went from almost nothing to 3% and now to 13% under OBJ. They will not stop until they have like 90% control like Scotland in the UK. Back-up or u bleep-up!

Under the Basic Law of Saudi Arabia, all its oil and gas wealth belongs to the government: "All Allah's bestowed wealth, be it under the ground, on the surface or in national territorial waters, in the land or maritime domains under the state's control, are the property of the state as defined by law. The law defines means of exploiting, protecting, and developing such wealth in the interests of the state, its security and economy."[1] Energy taxes are also specifically allowed; Article 20 of the basic law states, "Taxes and fees are to be imposed on a basis of justice and only when the need for them arises. Imposition, amendment, revocation and exemption is only permitted by law


Since we're in the business of throwing foreign laws out there, here's one, this happens to be of the country with the highest proven oil reserves in the world and the largest exporter of oil, so they know a thing or two about oil.
You're missing the point, what does Nigerian Law say about the ownership of oil Not American Law because their law is not applicable in Nigeria likewise Saudi Law is not applicable.

We need to repeal our law here(true federalisim),
and since independence the norths has been managing the afair of the nation
they know the impact if they repeal the act of land, so therefore they never let it happened
the ND has struggled for decades diplomatically for this laws to be repeal but the outcomes
the dealth of saro wiwa ,dele giwa and the rest men and women that was killed by notherns dictators military president

so now this poeple revise the system of its struglle through violent
and they have been heard by the whole world,the govt is looking into it now

so i dont see any reason to criminalise their acts, is strugle for freedom,
i thinck the norths are not use to the ne dimension nigeria is taking now and that is seriously creating
too much tension among them
they are use to power and therefore control the nations revenues for protection of their own interest
and this is not good for nation that is developing and people is getting awareness of the truth.

did you read what happened in the states with BP?,
ND polution has been since 5 decades ago.

gadogado:

Under the Basic Law of Saudi Arabia, all its oil and gas wealth belongs to the government: "All Allah's bestowed wealth, be it under the ground, on the surface or in national territorial waters, in the land or maritime domains under the state's control, are the property of the state as defined by law. The law defines means of exploiting, protecting, and developing such wealth in the interests of the state, its security and economy."[1] Energy taxes are also specifically allowed; Article 20 of the basic law states, "Taxes and fees are to be imposed on a basis of justice and only when the need for them arises. Imposition, amendment, revocation and exemption is only permitted by law

Since we're in the business of throwing foreign laws out there, here's one, this happens to be of the country with the highest proven oil reserves in the world and the largest exporter of oil, so they know a thing or two about oil.
You're missing the point, what does Nigerian Law say about the ownership of oil Not American Law because their law is not applicable in Nigeria likewise Saudi Law is not applicable.

So why don't you fck off to Saudi to be under "Allahs law?" Here we feed you and we aren't Muslim. I'm sure you can't comprehend that though (maybe just the same way a Southerner or Middle Belter will never understand why all your able bodied men and women have been exported, all clutching begging bowls. It is just plain that you people are damn lazy and want to feed off others sweat or misery. Well, the party is grinding to a jarring halt.

You say someone is missing the point, yet they gave examples of countries that are democracies. The Saudi example you gave knows no democratic principles, in fact they practice sharia and is the ONLY country in the World where women are not allowed to vote.

Right from the start of the struggle, ND people have recognised the core Northerner as the problem. It is illustrative that two of you making immoral arguments here are core Northerners, you people need to be cut loose to fend for yourselves in the desert, then Nigeria will finally begin to prosper.

gadogado:

Ok you say you want a "larger" share so you can develop your areas. But your governors receive 13% derivation while other states receive 5%. So right now, your states receive a larger share, but what are your governors doing with 8% more revenue I heard Ibori's wifes prosecutors saying something about the mans lavish trips to Las Vegas.

Yes, there is corruption, but our states actually attempt to produce something, our kids actually go to school to develop the country.

Compare that to your core North, what do you guys do? You scheme for oil blocks, churn out blood thirsty almajiri's year on year, manufacture Neanderthal cults like Boko Haram, slaughter Southerners and Middle Belters on an industrial scale annually, steal vast sums of FG money without as much as a pin in development of your own backyard, your 60 year olds marry 13 year old girls, you riot when health officials offer vaccinations against diseases that have been eradicated everywhere on Earth except in your neighbourhoods, you kill your fellow Nigerians by the thousand when white people in Europe annoy you etc etc

When other Nigerians are talking about problems, you guys need to shut up, because you are the problem and we are getting very tired of you.

@ OP. aboki, abeg do us all a huge favor and . . .

gadogado:



Under the Basic Law of Saudi Arabia, all its oil and gas wealth belongs to the government: "All Allah's bestowed wealth, be it under the ground, on the surface or in national territorial waters, in the land or maritime domains under the state's control, are the property of the state as defined by law. The law defines means of exploiting, protecting, and developing such wealth in the interests of the state, its security and economy."[1] Energy taxes are also specifically allowed; Article 20 of the basic law states, "Taxes and fees are to be imposed on a basis of justice and only when the need for them arises. Imposition, amendment, revocation and exemption is only permitted by law


Since we're in the business of throwing foreign laws out there, here's one, this happens to be of the country with the highest proven oil reserves in the world and the largest exporter of oil, so they know a thing or two about oil.
You're missing the point, what does Nigerian Law say about the ownership of oil Not American Law because their law is not applicable in Nigeria likewise Saudi Law is not applicable.

Gadogado why ave u brought-up Saudi in diz issue as if Saudi has anything to do with democratic governance. Saudi operates Monarchy and practices modern communism. Nigeria is taunted to b a federal democracy and operates capitalism and could only b compared to nations with similar economic structures.
This is why most of us from d south hate most Northerners. In all your submissions you have never shown concerns for Northern problems and how to improve on them, but always quick and eager to 'help solve' ND problems. Once u people start dropping God's name: Allah in your arguement we readily smell a hypocrite, looter, killer and peadophile coming to party. Yerima almost hoowinked all in d name of Allah only for Ribadu to rightly place him on the top of looters table, the same with Turaki, IBB calls Allah name wit blood of innocents conspicuosly flowing on his hands. I wish u guys can stop desecrating the name of God in your misdeeds.

These are questions for u:

What was d Nigerian law about resources control b/4 it was changed to d status-quo?
Is that your state and Northern region is free of problems that d only thing u can think of is to help ND solve theirs?
What is your business if the ND Govts waste their 13% derivation allocations?
What will u do when ND go from 13% to 90% derivation allocation? Suicide?
When last has your state agitated for 'something', I mean 'anything at all' @ d NASS? Shouldnt this worry u d most?

The ND has every right to fight 4 their right which they hav been doing through mirad of means (good and bad). They wont stop until they leave d rest of d nation with 10% allocation.
Gadogado u also hav d right to harness and fight for d resources of your village instead of cont being a 'beggar'.
U cannot sit on a tiled-floor, with kunu on yor left-hand and goro on d right,strugling with yah transistor radio knob for BBC hausa service and be determining how an Ijaw fisherman, on d creek, should fight for his right.

krendo:

No  that is not the way it works here

For speaking the truth then you started the insult. So watch them rain abuse on you. They think every thing is about Kill am, Kill am, Kill am!!!!


Solomon

Did you say Niger Delta States are sovereign States? That was the point I stopped reading your argument.
If you do not know what Sovereignty means then the rest of your argument is clearly not woth it.

I did not even need to read your copy and paste in details to know that the author of that essay in that section was simply comparing ownership of Oil in UK where it belongs to the Sovereign Nation and ownership of Oil in US where those on whose private land it is found own it.

So the current Law in Nigeria is not necessarily bad, our leaders are simply irresponsible.

If we do not understand our problems people will continue to die for nothing. If anybody wants to say that all onshore oil must belong to individuals who own the land then lets make that law, and just like the FG can not claim ownership, the State Government can not also claim ownership and the same applies to all not directly connected to that land.

Go back to the post and read again or get an interpreter if u still do not understand

Solomon227:

"Given that Scotland is not a sovereign state (like the ND states), it has no effective maritime claims and for such purposes is part of the maritime claims of the United Kingdom (like Nigeria),  systems in Great Britain - that of Scots law pertaining to Scotland and English law pertaining to England and Wales, constitutional law in the United Kingdom has provided for the division of the UK sector of the North Sea into specific Scottish and English components[5]. The Continental Shelf Act 1964 and the Continental Shelf (Jurisdiction) Order 1968 defines the UK North Sea maritime area to the north of latitude 55 degrees north as being under the jurisdiction of Scots law[6] meaning that 90% of the UK's oil resources were under Scottish jurisdiction[7][8]. In addition, section 126 of the Scotland Act 1998 defines Scottish waters as the internal waters and territorial sea of the United Kingdom as are adjacent to Scotland[9]. This has been subsequently amended by the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundary Order 1999 which redefined the extent of Scottish waters and Scottish fishery limits[10][11].
Recent evidence by Kemp and Stephen (1999) has tried to estimate hypothetical Scottish shares of North Sea Oil revenue by dividing the UK sector of the North Sea into separate Scottish and UK sectors using the international principle of equidistance as utilised under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) - such a convention is used in defining the maritime assets of newly formed states and resolving international maritime disputes. The study by Kemp & Stephen showed that hypothesised Scottish shares of North Sea oil revenue over the period 1970 to 1999, varied to as high as 98%[12] dependent upon the price of oil and offset against taxable profits and the costs of exploration and development"



"In the United States, oil and gas rights to a particular parcel may be owned by private individuals, corporations, Indian tribes, or by local, state, or federal governments. Oil and gas rights extend vertically downward from the property line. Unless explicitly separated by a deed, oil and gas rights are owned by the surface landowner. Once severed from surface ownership, oil and gas rights may be bought, sold, or transferred, like other real estate property.
Oil and gas rights offshore are owned by either the state or federal government and leased to oil companies for development. The tidelands controversy involve the limits of state ownership.
Although oil and gas laws vary by state, the laws regarding ownership prior to, at, and after extraction are nearly universal. An owner of real estate also owns the minerals underneath the surface, unless the minerals are severed under a previous deed or an agreement.
[edit]Prior to and at extraction
Unless mineral rights are severed, whoever owns the fee of the soil owns everything below the surface, limited by the extent of the surface rights (Del Monte Mining & Milling Co. v. Last Chance Mining & Milling Co.). Because oil and gas are fluids, they may flow in the subsurface across property boundaries. In this way, an operator may permissibly extract oil and gas from beneath the land of another, if the extraction is lawfully conducted on his own property (Kelly v. Ohio Oil Co.). An operator may not, however, angle a well to penetrate beneath property not owned by or leased to him.
The two conflicting legal doctrines covering oil and gas extraction are the rule of capture, and the correlative rights doctrine. Which of the doctrines applies in a particular case depends on state law, which varies considerably from state to state, or in the case of the federal offshore zone, on US federal law.
The rule of capture gives land owners an incentive to pump out oil as quickly as possible to capture the oil of their neighbors. Such practice may deplete the gas pressure needed to force oil out of the ground. Government agencies such as the Texas Railroad Commission therefore regulate extraction by individual owners"


Mr Krenko go back to your village and start doing everything to tap your resources. He who owns d land owns the resources therein, the ND states own their lands and if diz Nation breaks up today they will not only go with their lands but also with the territorial waters that carry more oil.
I have long realised this bitter truth and have vowed to do my own little way to improve d economy of my own state and town.

The ND states will cont fighting for what is their right. They went from almost nothing to 3% and now to 13% under OBJ. They will not stop until they have like 90% control like Scotland in the UK. Back-up or u bleep-up!

The 'copied and pasted' reports are from different authors and the 2 systems are not being compared like u claim to know. I posted them to educate u on your claim that the locals dont have any control over oil resources in the UK and all d oil belong to the crown. As we are talking now Scotland is claiming more and more authonomy from d cntral British Govt and more often than not they are having their ways. ND is fighting for something, I remember some SW states were also fighting for state police, federalism and free-trade zones. I have also read where a couple of SE staes were agitating for d repeal of law dat stops states from distributing electric power generated by them. They have also been agitating for more states in their region.
Kredon when last has your state clamoured for anything from the Union? This should b your primary worry and not ND struggle.

Agreed there is grand corruption among ND Govts like the rest of the country. But that doesnt put anybody (like Krendo and Gadogado) in position to prevent them from 'squandering' the resources accruable to their land if they so wish. The resources control laws as they are now are bad as long as they prevent P/H, Oran, Warri, Ogoniland, Kuale, Eket from looking like Houston, Dubai, Abhu Dabhi and Abadeen.

If u dont understand federalism go and pick some books and read thoroughly. That is what we claim to be practising and we should be working towards that. More powers and control must be bestowed on the states and LGA as practised in other developed domocracies we have been copying.

U are right that fight against corruption must b intensified and laws properly implemented but that doesnt stand in the way on ND people getting their right. It is left for them to squader or make meaningful use of them.

Solomon227:

Gadogado why ave u brought-up Saudi in diz issue as if Saudi has anything to do with democratic governance. Saudi operates Monarchy and practices modern communism. Nigeria is taunted to b a federal democracy and operates capitalism and could only b compared to nations with similar economic structures.
This is why most of us from d south hate most Northerners. In all your submissions you have never shown concerns for Northern problems and how to improve on them, but always quick and eager to 'help solve' ND problems. Once u people start dropping God's name: Allah in your arguement we readily smell a hypocrite, looter, killer and peadophile coming to party. Yerima almost hoowinked all in d name of Allah only for Ribadu to rightly place him on the top of looters table, the same with Turaki, IBB calls Allah name wit blood of innocents conspicuosly flowing on his hands. I wish u guys can stop desecrating the name of God in your misdeeds.

These are questions for u:

What was d Nigerian law about resources control b/4 it was changed to d status-quo?
Is that your state and Northern region is free of problems that d only thing u can think of is to help ND solve theirs?
What is your business if the ND Govts waste their 13% derivation allocations?
What will u do when ND go from 13% to 90% derivation allocation? Suicide?
When last has your state agitated for 'something', I mean 'anything at all' @ d NASS? Shouldnt this worry u d most?

The ND has every right to fight 4 their right which they hav been doing through mirad of means (good and bad). They wont stop until they leave d rest of d nation with 10% allocation.
Gadogado u also hav d right to harness and fight for d resources of your village instead of cont being a 'beggar'.
U cannot sit on a tiled-floor, with kunu on yor left-hand and goro on d right,strugling with yah transistor radio knob for BBC hausa service and be determining how an Ijaw fisherman, on d creek, should fight for his right.

Those questions are too tough for a parasitic vampire na!
They have zero ambition except to sip free oil, regardless of what blood price has been paid for it and sit in splendour surrounded by oceans of illiterate, blood sucking, disease racked, killer almajiri's.

As for the veiled undercurrents in their arguments that govt needs to do "something", they don't seem to know how to read the times. Of course, we understand that "something" to mean Gbaramatu or Odi. I think people should be careful what they ask for, their desert produces only sand, while the ND feeds them and equips the army; can they really survive a full scale war? Will the fckers throw sand as weapons? Will they pour sand into their Boko Haram fuel tanks? Do they realise that JTF is the countries strongest brigade by some margin, yet they were fought to a standstill by MEND (not even a full fledged army) to the extent that bribery had to be employed to avoid disgrace?
Of course, people who are led by vast airbags like Ciroma will always embark on fatal journeys. Let them try any nonesense and see their carmels catch fire.

I don't know why some people are scared of true federalism.Such people should realise that it has advantages for all Nigerians.

1)It will help some slacking states buckle up because father christmas won't visit again.

2)The migration to Lagos will reduce as attention will be on the neo-rich states like Bayelsa.

3)People will now be interested in what their Governors use their meagre resources for.

4)The north will start mining their solid minerals.The reason why they are scared is because of the environmental impact of which the ND has faced for over 50 years.

Beaf:

So why don't you fck off to Saudi to be under "Allahs law?" Here we feed you and we aren't Muslim. I'm sure you can't comprehend that though (maybe just the same way a Southerner or Middle Belter will never understand why all your able bodied men and women have been exported, all clutching begging bowls. It is just plain that you people are damn lazy and want to feed off others sweat or misery. Well, the party is grinding to a jarring halt.

You say someone is missing the point, yet they gave examples of countries that are democracies. The Saudi example you gave knows no democratic principles, in fact they practice sharia and is the ONLY country in the World where women are not allowed to vote.

Right from the start of the struggle, ND people have recognised the core Northerner as the problem. It is illustrative that two of you making immoral arguments here are core Northerners, you people need to be cut loose to fend for yourselves in the desert, then Nigeria will finally begin to prosper.

What sweat, you're sweating to plant the oil right, it is through your labor that oil came into being right! What misery?? are ND governors and politicians miserable

Beaf:

Yes, there is corruption, but our states actually attempt to produce something, our kids actually go to school to develop the country.

Compare that to your core North, what do you guys do? You scheme for oil blocks, churn out blood thirsty almajiri's year on year, manufacture Neanderthal cults like Boko Haram, slaughter Southerners and Middle Belters on an industrial scale annually, steal vast sums of FG money without as much as a pin in development of your own backyard, your 60 year olds marry 13 year old girls, you riot when health officials offer vaccinations against diseases that have been eradicated everywhere on Earth except in your neighbourhoods, you kill your fellow Nigerians by the thousand when white people in Europe annoy you etc etc

When other Nigerians are talking about problems, you guys need to shut up, because you are the problem and we are getting very tired of you.

What is the population of the north? last I heard, its approaching 82 million, what is the population of almajiris of northern extraction, most likely not up to 10,000 people nation wide! So less than 1% of the norths population is living an "almajiri" lifestyle. But as far as you're concerned, every northerner is an almajiri, see how you're over emotional and illogical at time? How many major incidents have occurred that involved religiously motivated violence excluding JOS, maybe 3 or 4. Jos is an economic issue and both groups are equally guilty. You say we dont contribute but the largest industrialist in Nigeria who by the way employs more southerners than northerners is a hausa-fulani man from Kano. Yes Dangote's activities can be truly described as contribution because there is production involved. Right now, he's expanding into the African continent buying up cement businesses from Ethiopia to South Africa, aren't you proud that a Nigerian is making his mark on the continent? Or are you parochial and think he only represents people from Kano and all his profits (in the billions) should only be reinvested in his village.

gadogado:

What is the population of the north? last I heard, its approaching 82 million, what is the population of almajiris of northern extraction, most likely not up to 10,000 people nation wide! So less than 1% of the norths population is living an "almajiri" lifestyle. But as far as you're concerned, every northerner is an almajiri, see how you're over emotional and illogical at time? How many major incidents have occurred that involved religiously motivated violence excluding JOS, maybe 3 or 4. Jos is an economic issue and both groups are equally guilty. You say we dont contribute but the largest industrialist in Nigeria who by the way employs more southerners than northerners is a hausa-fulani man from Kano. Yes Dangote's activities can be truly described as contribution because there is production involved. Right now, he's expanding into the African continent buying up cement businesses from Ethiopia to South Africa, aren't you proud that a Nigerian is making his mark on the continent? Or are you parochial and think he only represents people from Kano and all his profits (in the billions) should only be reinvested in his village.

its a bloody lie!!!!!

the north cannot be up to 82 million. the ecosystem does not support it!!!!

not all northerners are considered as almajiri. its only the beggers.

jason12345:

its a bloody lie!!!!!

the north cannot be up to 82 million. the ecosystem does not support it!!!!

not all northerners are considered as almajiri. its only the beggers.

and if indeed, its 82 million. then, its the south that feeds the north not the north itself

What sweat, you're sweating to plant the oil right, it is through your labor that oil came into being right! What misery?? are ND governors and politicians miserable

This is pure foolishness!

Do you know how many family members I have lost to asthma? Or do you know how many are ravaged by asthma?
Do you know how many times I turned on the tap as a kid and the water had an oil sheen and very foul taste and stench? Do you know how many times I drank that water and developed a stomach ache? Or how many times I woke with the whole place smelling like gas?

All the above are directly tracable to gas flaring and oil spills, I guess they aren't signs of misery to fcking parasites and vultures. I grew up in an urban area, the problems in rural areas are tens to hundreds of times worse.

gadogado:

What is the population of the north? last I heard, its approaching 82 million, what is the population of almajiris of northern extraction, most likely not up to 10,000 people nation wide! So less than 1% of the norths population is living an "almajiri" lifestyle. But as far as you're concerned, every northerner is an almajiri, see how you're over emotional and illogical at time? How many major incidents have occurred that involved religiously motivated violence excluding JOS, maybe 3 or 4. Jos is an economic issue and both groups are equally guilty. You say we dont contribute but the largest industrialist in Nigeria who by the way employs more southerners than northerners is a hausa-fulani man from Kano. Yes Dangote's activities can be truly described as contribution because there is production involved. Right now, he's expanding into the African continent buying up cement businesses from Ethiopia to South Africa, aren't you proud that a Nigerian is making his mark on the continent? Or are you parochial and think he only represents people from Kano and all his profits (in the billions) should only be reinvested in his village.

This is getting damn commical. first the population of the North cannot even be up to 40 million. There is no place on Earth where the desert hosts huge populations, you guys have simply added the population of goats and cattle to your number.

Secondly, and most importantly, there are at the very least, 10 million blood sucking, Southerner murdering, Middle Belt Killing almajiri's. Maligned by their leaders who see them as little more than vicious pack dogs to be unleashed on their enemies. Poor children, maybe we need to launch a war to save them from their parasitic bastar'd overlords who only care about oil and practise evil toward the children of their own brothers.

[size=21pt]10m Kids Beg In The North – Minister[/size]
Written by Ali Alkali, Kaduna   
Sunday, 22 November 2009 19:14

[size=14pt]Minister of State for Education,Hajiya Aishatu Jibrin Dukku, at the weekend took a swipe at the educational backwardness in the north, estimating the number of child beggars in the region (almajirai) at more than 10 million.

“We are yet to finish our compilation, but at the moment we have over ten million child beggars roaming our streets, and that’s a conservative estimate,” she said.[/size]

She also decried the situation whereby wealthy northerners are not emulating their southern counterparts in investing heavily in education.

http://www.leadershipnigeria.com/index.php/news/cover-stories/8792-10m-kids-beg-in-the-north--minister

Solomon227:

Gadogado why ave u brought-up Saudi in diz issue as if Saudi has anything to do with democratic governance. Saudi operates Monarchy and practices modern communism. Nigeria is taunted to b a federal democracy and operates capitalism and could only b compared to nations with similar economic structures.
This is why most of us from d south hate most Northerners. In all your submissions you have never shown concerns for Northern problems and how to improve on them, but always quick and eager to 'help solve' ND problems. Once u people start dropping God's name: Allah in your arguement we readily smell a hypocrite, looter, killer and peadophile coming to party. Yerima almost hoowinked all in d name of Allah only for Ribadu to rightly place him on the top of looters table, the same with Turaki, IBB calls Allah name wit blood of innocents conspicuosly flowing on his hands. I wish u guys can stop desecrating the name of God in your misdeeds.

These are questions for u:

What was d Nigerian law about resources control b/4 it was changed to d status-quo?
Is that your state and Northern region is free of problems that d only thing u can think of is to help ND solve theirs?
What is your business if the ND Govts waste their 13% derivation allocations?
What will u do when ND go from 13% to 90% derivation allocation? Suicide?
When last has your state agitated for 'something', I mean 'anything at all' @ d NASS? Shouldnt this worry u d most?

The ND has every right to fight 4 their right which they hav been doing through mirad of means (good and bad). They wont stop until they leave d rest of d nation with 10% allocation.
Gadogado u also hav d right to harness and fight for d resources of your village instead of cont being a 'beggar'.
U cannot sit on a tiled-floor, with kunu on yor left-hand and goro on d right,strugling with yah transistor radio knob for BBC hausa service and be determining how an Ijaw fisherman, on d creek, should fight for his right.

Firstly, if you dont like the law, why not seek to change it in a civil and lawful way at the national assembly. Form advocacy groups and pressure groups that seek the law changed. Do that or secede.
Secondly, All you're writing is laughable stereotype, kunu this, transistor radio that, all that is just comical to say the least. Believe it or not, southerners have their own stereotypes but because that it beneath me, i wont indulge you.

Thirdly, we are one country, the laws in Nigeria should be peculiar to the socio-economic and cultural conditions prevalent in Nigeria. Do not cite foreign laws as a basis for your "agitation"

No one cares that your govs waste or steal their 13% derivation. But why are you asking for more when the one you already have is being wasted? that is the epitome of greed. The Nigerian economy is based on a natural resource, this is actually looked down on in international circles. So the northerner or anybody from any part of the country has a stake in the issues surrounding oil, after all, the national police and military is funded by oil. This is what it means to be a nation state. The federal government has national as well as international responsibilities which is why it keeps control over natural resources and gets more of the revenue than states.
Again, until we can change the economic arrangement in the whole country then oil will remain the mainstay. If I am asked in America, what my country's major export is, I say oil not the resources in my village.
If you dont like the arrangement and feel you dont want to be part of Nigeria, declare independence! Simple. Then you can drink the oil to death as a sovereign country, no one care

There is no way you can compare regional governments to state governments in terms of internally generated revenue. Back then, the northern region paid tax to the center, "the whole region pooled resources together" same for the other regions in the country. The same way you cannot compare regional governments to countries that pool their resources together as a single entity. You cant compare a northern region to Chad if the latter works as a single entity for economic purposes. You have to change the entire structure of the country in terms of governmental system and economic arrangement if you want to keep all the oil revenue because it is "yours" I'd rather you just declare independence then you can form your own tiny oil kingdom where children drink oil in their class rooms so they can be even better educated than their almajiri peers.

10 million kids is a bloody lie, ive been everywhere in the north and it is impossible to say 10 million. That means the streets would be infested with beggars at every turn, You're saying that at least 30% of all northern children are beggars. THAT IS A MONUMENTAL LIE

Who told you the north is a desert?? who told you that?? where is the desert?? in parts of sokoto, katsina and Borno. Thats about it. Even villagers marry up to 4 wives and have tons of children,

gadogado:

10 million kids is a bloody lie, ive been everywhere in the north and it is impossible to say 10 million. That means the streets would be infested with beggars at every turn, You're saying that at least 30% of all northern children are beggars. THAT IS A MONUMENTAL LIE

you have a large expanse of land, so, it may be possible that the northern children are spread across the land for you not to notice  


but you have to admit that the north is NOT UP 40MILLION.the north has to stop this lie.

gadogado:

Who told you the north is a desert?? who told you that?? where is the desert?? in parts of sokoto, katsina and Borno. Thats about it. Even villagers marry up to 4 wives and have tons of children,

you are wrong.
the north is being desertified everyday. and why would they have tons of children if they cannot take care of them.

if not for the oil, i think the north would have had their population reduced by famine because the ecosystem in the north cannot support that population. moreover,the current population is a lie.

the igbos are the most populated followed by the yorubas before the north and then the minorities

10 million kids my salty balls dude. 10 million, no you forgot, every kid in the north is an almajiri, all of us are. Just because Dukku said that doesn't mean its true or just because a newspaper said that doesn't mean its true. It is logically impossible for 10 million children in a country of 150 million to roam the streets begging for food. That means 7% of the entire country are beggars. Come on, do you live in lala land! come on!!!! that means close to 15% of the northern population is made up of juvenile beggars. I dont know where they got that Statistic but it is inaccurate for sure. Common sense if you have any will not allow you to believe that rubbish. If you break it down further, the population of kids 12-24 is likely somewhere in the region of 40 million, that age group is 95% of the almajiri population and it means 1 in every 4 kids is a beggar. I have statistics degree and I can tell you that it is a monumental lie because these numbers dont make sense.
Dukku was criticized for that b.s statement.

gadogado:

10 million kids my salty balls dude. 10 million, no you forgot, every kid in the north is an almajiri, all of us are. Just because Dukku said that doesn't mean its true or just because a newspaper said that doesn't mean its true. It is logically impossible for 10 million children in a country of 150 million to roam the streets begging for food. That means 7% of the entire country are beggars. Come on, do you live in lala land! come on!!!! that means close to 15% of the northern population is made up of juvenile beggars. I dont know where they got that Statistic but it is inaccurate for sure. Common sense if you have any will not allow you to believe that rubbish. If you break it down further, the population of kids 12-24 is likely somewhere in the region of 40 million, that age group is 95% of the almajiri population and it means 1 in every 4 kids is a beggar. I have statistics degree and I can tell you that it is a monumental lie because these numbers dont make sense.
Dukku was criticized for that b.s statement.

The minister has access to data. You have none.
She has even said that from their collation so far, 10 million is a very conservative figure. That is a crisis for you to pay attention to, rather than glue your eyes on oil.
Why should the figure stun you when so many are uncaring enough to give their 11 year old girl children out in marriage? There is little value for children.

Year Unemployment rate Rank Percent Change Date of Information
2003 28.00 % 30 1992 est.
2006 2.90 % 27 -89.64 % 2005 est.
2007 5.80 % 65 100.00 % 2006 est.
2008 4.90 % 65 -15.52 % 2007 est.
2009 4.90 % 60 0.00 % 2007 est.
2010 4.90 % 46 0.00 % 2007 est.


In a country that has 4.9% unemployment rate, 7% of its population are child beggars?? about 30% of children aged 12-24 are beggars on the street? come on, Nigeria as a country is not that bad

The constitution needs to change, if and when, who then own the oil, the states, LGA or individuals?
And if and when that happens, we think the rest of the nation will just watch as their milk ticket drys out?

gadogado:

Year Unemployment rate Rank Percent Change Date of Information
2003 28.00 % 30 1992 est.
2006 2.90 % 27 -89.64 % 2005 est.
2007 5.80 % 65 100.00 % 2006 est.
2008 4.90 % 65 -15.52 % 2007 est.
2009 4.90 % 60 0.00 % 2007 est.
2010 4.90 % 46 0.00 % 2007 est.


In a country that has 4.9% unemployment rate, 7% of its population are child beggars?? about 30% of children aged 12-24 are beggars on the street? come on, Nigeria as a country is not that bad

I thought you mentioned your statistics expertise some posts back? Where in the World are children considered as part of the work force? Dude, unem[plyment rate is for adults only, it doesn't take into account things like child marriages, the 10 million almajiri's etc.

gadogado:

Firstly, if you dont like the law, why not seek to change it in a civil and lawful way at the national assembly. Form advocacy groups and pressure groups that seek the law changed. Do that or secede.
Secondly, All you're writing is laughable stereotype, kunu this, transistor radio that, all that is just comical to say the least. Believe it or not, southerners have their own stereotypes but because that it beneath me, i wont indulge you.

Thirdly, we are one country, the laws in Nigeria should be peculiar to the socio-economic and cultural conditions prevalent in Nigeria. Do not cite foreign laws as a basis for your "agitation"

No one cares that your govs waste or steal their 13% derivation. But why are you asking for more when the one you already have is being wasted? that is the epitome of greed. The Nigerian economy is based on a natural resource, this is actually looked down on in international circles. So the northerner or anybody from any part of the country has a stake in the issues surrounding oil, after all, the national police and military is funded by oil. This is what it means to be a nation state. The federal government has national as well as international responsibilities which is why it keeps control over natural resources and gets more of the revenue than states.
Again, until we can change the economic arrangement in the whole country then oil will remain the mainstay. If I am asked in America, what my country's major export is, I say oil not the resources in my village.
If you dont like the arrangement and feel you dont want to be part of Nigeria, declare independence! Simple. Then you can drink the oil to death as a sovereign country, no one care

There is no way you can compare regional governments to state governments in terms of internally generated revenue. Back then, the northern region paid tax to the center, "the whole region pooled resources together" same for the other regions in the country. The same way you cannot compare regional governments to countries that pool their resources together as a single entity. You cant compare a northern region to Chad if the latter works as a single entity for economic purposes. You have to change the entire structure of the country in terms of governmental system and economic arrangement if you want to keep all the oil revenue because it is "yours" I'd rather you just declare independence then you can form your own tiny oil kingdom where children drink oil in their class rooms so they can be even better educated than their almajiri peers.

I can see u have no answers to my questions. U have tacitly agreed the North largely lacks ambition. I remember d National Constitution Conference called by Abdusallam, d ND delegations walked out twice insisting on 50% derivation but because of d numerical strength of other states they only achieved 3% derivation.
Since peaceful solution, to their problems, seems impossible they have since taken to violent options in MEND, JCR etc and that has forced d hitherto sturborn 'rest of d nation' to grant 13% derivation under OBJ. More and more reasonable non-NDtans are becoming more sympathetic to their plights and showing supports for their course.
They do not need your advice to get to 90% derivation, they have employed all effective means and it's just a matter of time b/4 they start getting back what rightly belongs to them in d first place.
The question is what will your state survive on when ND hav larger control of their oil?

We are discussing issues u are celebrating only Dangote out of your so-called 80 million people. We all know Dangote story but let's have other true enterpreneurs from your state that have made anything big from non-oil related sources.

I'm certain she was quoted out of context for political reasons. She must have said 10 million kids have no access to proper formal education and this includes almajiris and child hawkers in the south. That I can possibly agree with but even that doesn't seem likely. Not in Nigeria, do you have any idea what those numbers even mean. EVEN saying 10 million kids have no access to formal education in Nigeria is a huge stretch and I don't believe that. USE your damn brain if you have one!

I am not one for speculation. I believe the minister. It is also notable that she hasn't retracted her figures after several months.
There are 10 million almajiris.

safariman:

The constitution needs to change, if and when, who then own the oil, the states, LGA or individuals?
And if and when that happens, we think the rest of the nation will just watch as their milk ticket drys out?

There is no way the ND will not be open to providing finance to develop other areas. I've said this over and over, whenever the battle for resource is won, all sides would need to agree funding and development modalities for the development of uranium mining, gold mining, coal mining, education etc. In return, after an agreed weaning off period, other areas will begin paying a pre-agreed compensation to the ND, perhaps in mining shares or monetery payments. You will be shocked at how quickly Nigeria will industrialise under such an arrangement.

Those statistics are false and inaccurate.The unemployment rate in Nigeria is at least 30% for graduates.

Those statistics are false and inaccurate.The unemployment rate in Nigeria is at least 30% for graduates.