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Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by Nobody: 9:35am On Dec 18, 2019 |
Ken4Christ:yes the immoral, the liars and the ungodly will not enter into the kingdom of God. Pls point where I said born again Christians do not sin? |
Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by Nobody: 9:39am On Dec 18, 2019 |
francesawesome:smh, do you know what it means to be bornagain? |
Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by Ihedinobi3: 10:24am On Dec 18, 2019 |
shadeyinka:I stand on the Scriptures, shadeyinka. That is what I strive to always do. So whatever they say is what I endeavor to teach. They teach that if you believe in Jesus Christ, you are saved: 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18 KJV That is, this has nothing to do with sin or sinner's prayers. A Christian is anyone who believes in Jesus Christ. If anyone does not believe in Him, being in church or going through the religious motions (including the various legalistic ideals of righteousness) preached in all kinds of churches today will not make them a Christian. Only faith in Jesus Christ makes anyone that (Acts 11:26; 1 Peter 4:16). It is not such people with whom the question of Apostasy is concerned. It is only those who believe. As I have demonstrated several times from the Scriptures on this thread, those who truly believe can fall away. There are different reasons why they do, but what matters is that they can, and for that reason, all of us who believe have to be careful to "make [our] calling and election sure" (2 Peter 1:10). As for what happens after apostasy, what we can tell is that people who reject faith in the Lord after believing tend to dismiss any eternal danger to themselves as a result. That is, they typically cease caring about the Lord and the Truth. That is even how they apostatize in the first place. The Bible does not quite say that they can never again return to faith, but it warns stringently against turning away in the first place, since there is no other way to be saved than through faith in Jesus Christ. Paul warns those who think that they can never be at spiritual risk anymore to be careful of such a thought: 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 1 Corinthians 10:12 KJV We are yet to be confirmed in our choice of the Lord. As long as we are here on Earth in this mortal body, that choice is still an open question. We have to strive to confirm it every time that we are tested. If we take for granted that we don't need to prepare for such tests and be ready to defend our choice to believe in the Lord, we will soon be struggling to hold on to our faith. In the end, we may very well throw it away just from being offended at being tested regarding our choice. And you can be sure that those tests will come (John 16:33; 1 Peter 1:6-7). If we persevere until the ends of our lives or until the Lord returns, whichever happens first, we will be resurrected in perfect, eternal bodies that are free of the sin nature and of any inclination to sin anymore. That is how we are confirmed as sons of God. Until that happens, we are responsible to prove that our faith is genuine and real by refusing to fall away under pressure and temptation. You should see then that anyone who teaches anything different is putting believers who listen to them at terrible risk. If believers do not take care to prepare for the tests of Faith that we must endure in this life and for the many temptations that will attempt to dislodge us from faith in the Lord Jesus, they are almost certain to fall away. So, anything that even remotely suggests that this cannot ever happen is opposed by people like me right up to treating anyone who teaches such a wicked lie as an antichrist. |
Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by francesawesome(f): 12:28pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
solite3:I didn't come here to argue with you but to open your eyes. I've not just read the bible, I digested it from Genesis to Revelation several. The bible is something I can never get bored it. I listen to real men of God's preaching. I've read a lot of books, not just anyhow books, the likes of Kathryn Kulman, Smith Wigglesword, Kenneth Hargin, Gordon Lindsay, Robert Liadon etc even our local pastors like David Oyedepo, Pastor Chris Oyakhilomen and more. Everything I hear I weigh it from the scripture. Pastor Chris and other ministers even advise that, in other for one not to be mislead. I've read stories and also witness some of how people backslides and where warned to retrace their step. If you choose to hold unto your believe, I won't argue with you only that I pray for God to open your eyes is it won't be to late for you. You don't hold unto this believe, but you are misleading God flocks. As many as you have mislead, God will hold you accountable. Shalom |
Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by Nobody: 2:50pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
francesawesome:@ bolded what belief? |
Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by oaroloye(m): 8:40am On Dec 24, 2019 |
MISHIGAS! solite3: (1) THE MOST STUPID THING YOU CAN EVER DO IN ANY UNIVERSE IS TO TRUST A SINNER! The Oyinbos are the most despicable Race on Earth. Blessed with The Bible, they weaponized It- as they do all God's Bountys- and used It as a basis of Murder and Conquest. Please feel free to research Oyinbo Christianity. Look at how they have used The Bible From The Beginning. Read up on the people responsible for The Bible-Constantine, Eusebius, Origen. Examine their Core Beliefs: Sun Worship, Politics, Arianism. Understand why Oyinbo Christianity has constantly failed upwards. Examine Oyinbo Policy and History since they met the peoples of Africa and the Americas. Observe how they treated us. See how they used Missionaries to find out where we were, and what we had, and then sent in soldiers to claim it, and enforce their taking it from us. Research the so-called JEWS. The occupants of Israel are not the descendants of the people of The Bible, led from Egypt by Moses. The Oyinbos have known this From The Beginning. Blacks were the original Hebrews. The Ancients of Egypt and Canaan were Black people. The Oyinbos have struggled for Centuries to cover that up, and pretend that we were all savages, living like animals, until they came, and blessed us with Civilization. We were civilized already. During the 19the Century, it was discovered by preachers HENRY MOOREHOUSE and DWIGHT LYMAN MOODY that literally 100 times more converts could be made by changing ONE LETTER of ONE VERSE of The Bible. . JOHN 3:16. 16. "For God so loved the World, that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not Perish, but have Everlasting Life." WAS CHANGED TO THIS: . [b]JOHN 3:16. 16. "For God so loves the World, that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not Perish, but have Everlasting Life." ALL OTHER CHURCHES IN AMERICA RESISTED THIS TEACHING AS HERESY, AT FIRST. Until it was realized that Dwight L. Moody was making more converts than the rest of them combined! The Oyinbos have always adopted any heretical teaching that brings in money. Religion is a either a Business to them, a Political Tool, or both. THIS MAD OYINBO IS TELLING US THAT SALVATION CANNOT BE LOST, BECAUSE THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE OFF OF SUCKERS WHO FALL FOR THAT! solite3: BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANITY IS A MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER. The Human Mind has the capability of creating personalities with which to handle the World. These can number from the hundreds into thousands in a normal person. Research into this phenomenon is a fascinating affair, that can become a lifetime career- PSYCHIATRY. Many shallow-minded people would immediately reject the idea that they have multiple personalities that they do not control. One would have to have been raised in unusual circumstances not to be aware of this. When interacting with different people, we do not normally act and react the same way. If your father insulted you, you would not react the same way if you heard the same remark from your younger brother, a friend, a neighbour, an enemy, or a complete stranger. The personality you use to interact with all of those people is different. Some of these personalities are more helpful than others, while others are highly detrimental. The interesting thing is that the person exhibiting these personalities normally thinks that all of them are appropriate and necessary. It is only when it becomes apparent that personalities we adopt are inefficient or counterproductive that a question of "WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME? comes in. Alarm begins when we realize that we must change the personalities that are detrimental to our well-being- and find that we cannot. For instance, there may be people who can always get money out of us, even though we know that they will never pay us back on time- if at all. There are people who turn us into instant slaves, just by walking into the room- after they have left, we wonder how we agreed to do things for them that we don't want- but do them, anyway. On the other hand, there are people who always do what we want, when we frame the request in a particular way- but which "works" on no one else. We manipulate our personalities to handle people we interact with- whether we know we are doing it or not. There are very important things to be aware of with Multiple Personalities, that Oyinbo Science is only just beginning to accept- whereas the Ancients knew them Millennia ago. For instance, HYPNOTISM can be used to switch personalities from one to another, like TV Channels, so that the same person can apparently become different people. Dangerous experimentation entered into in the 20th Century suggests that these alternate personalities- "ALTERS," LITERALLY ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. For instance, a person can be quite drunk, then hypnotized, and "switched" into an Alter that is sober. A person can be so switched into personalities that are psychosomatically sick, allergic, stupid, or smart- whereas, this is the same person, the whole time. Their body has not changed. They have not been drugged. They have not been tortured. But their minds and brain chemistry have radically altered! As with all things with the potential for great good, the Oyinbo just had to weaponize it! During the 2nd World War, mad Nazi Scientist, JOSEF MENGELE was researching the effects of Hypnosis with Drugs and Torture on Jewish Detainees. After the War, he was inducted into the OSS to complete his research for the Americans. This was called OPERATION PAPERCLIP. He was taken to Canada, where they experimented on Orphans, until the Government became aware of what they were doing, and expelled them. By then, he had perfected his procedure, and was ready to test it on American Citizens. Basically, they kidnapped anyone they wanted, rendered them unconscious, hypnotized them while they were being tortured, under the influence of drugs, and ordered them to forget being kidnapped and processed, but to remember to always obey whatever they were ordered by whoever gave them the Handler Code. They were then returned to the sites of their abductions, and allowed to go on with their lives, unaware that they were now unpaid Slaves of the US Government Intelligence Community. The OFFICE OF STRATEGIC SERVICES were able to create instant Slaves in a matter of hours, and when they became the CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, they inherited this weapon, and it became known as MIND-KONTROL ULTRA. The existence of MK-ULTRA was strenuously denied, until Senator JESSE HELMS' 1973 Investigation of the CIA proved its existence. Jesse Helms then became the next Director of the CIA. The Guyana PEOPLE'S TEMPLE Cult massacre of November 18, 1978, in which 700 Christians committed mass-suicide by "voluntarily" drinking poison, after a Congressman had come to investigate them, appears to have been the coverup of an MK-ULTRA Experiment. The abortive 25th December, 2009 CHRISTMAS BOMBING, by UMAR FAROUK MUTALLAB has the typical hallmarks of MK-ULTRA Mind-Control. The eyewitness account of CNN Reporter KEN "PUG" HASKELL, testifies of him being shunted onto the plane by an Agent. Himself looking dazed, and unaware of his surroundings. All he knew was the orders he was given. He could have been kidnapped and programmed even hours before this incident. Before him, we had no such thing as SUICIDE-BOMBERS. You could not get a Nigerian to buy a busted phone- suddenly, you got people to strap on explosives, and blow themselves up- while the person who sends them stays at home, safe? Nigerians never did that before. Now, it seems, we do. Clearly, this is MENTAL MANIPULATION Muslims never did before, BUT THE CIA DID, FROM THE BEGINNING. BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANITY IS PERSONALITY MANIPULATION. The stated GOAL of THE GOSPEL is to CHANGE A CHRISTIAN'S PERSONALITY FROM SINNER TO YESHUA. . JOHN 3:1-21. THERE was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a Ruler of the Jews: 2. The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, "Rabbi, we know that thou art a Teacher come from God: for no man can do these Miracles that thou doest, except God be with him." 3. Jesus answered and Said unto him, "Verily, verily, I Say unto thee, 'EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN AGAIN, HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.' 4. Nicodemus saith unto him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" 5. Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I Say unto thee, 'EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, HE CAN NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.' 6. "That which is Born of the Flesh is flesh; and that which is Born of The Spirit is spirit. 7. "Marvel not that I Said unto thee, 'YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN.' 8. "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is Born of The Spirit." 9. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, "How can these things be?" 10. Jesus answered and Said unto him, "Art thou a Master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11. "Verily, verily, I Say unto thee, 'WE SPEAK THAT WE DO KNOW, AND TESTIFY THAT WE HAVE SEEN; AND YE RECEIVE NOT OUR WITNESS.' 12. "If I have told you Earthly Things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of Heavenly Things? 13. "And no man hath ascended up to Heaven, but he that came down from Heaven, even The Son of Man which is in Heaven. 14. "And as Moses lifted up the Serpent in the Wilderness, even so must The Son of Man be lifted up: 15. "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have Eternal Life. 16. "For God so loved the World, that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not Perish, but have Everlasting Life. 17. "For God sent not His Son into the World to Condemn the World; but that the World through him might be Saved. 18. "He that believeth in him is not Condemned: but he that believeth not is Condemned Already, because he hath not believed in The Name of The Only Begotten Son of God. 19. "And this is The Condemnation, 'THAT LIGHT IS COME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS RATHER THAN LIGHT, BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS WERE EVIL.' 20. "For every one that doeth Evil hateth The Light, neither cometh to The Light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21. "But he that doeth Truth cometh to The Light, that his deeds may be manifest, that they are wrought in God." "BORN AGAIN" IN NORTHERN ARAMAIC MEANS: "TO CHANGE ONE'S THOUGHTS AND HABITS." NICODEMUS SPOKE SOUTHERN ARAMAIC, AND HENCE DID NOT UNDERSTAND JESUS. [Footnote to JOHN 3:3,5 in the George Lamsa Peshitta Bible.] I am sure that as many as 99% of "BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS" would NEVER have joined, if it had been made clear to them, that THE PURPOSE OF THE GOSPEL IS TO DESTROY EVERYTHING THAT MADE THEM THEM, AND REPLACE IT WITH EVERYTHING THAT MADE LORD YESHUA YESHUA! All Oyinbo-made Christian Religion is based on the LIE that none of that is necessary: that "YOU CAN BE A CHRISTIAN- BUT STILL BE YOURSELF! No. You cannot. solite3: "PREDESTINATION" IS AN OYINBO PHILOSOPHICAL PARADOXICAL BELIEF, BASED ON THE HERESY OF THE OMNISCIENCE/OMNIPRESENCE/OMNIPOTENCE OF GOD. God does not have those attributes, and has never claimed, implied, nor pretended that He does. Notice how those introducing the Beliefs to you NEVER LEAD WITH SCRIPTURE! They use MIND-CONTROL TRICKS to get you to accept the Teaching FIRST. OMNIPOTENCE: the ability to do absolutely anything, at anywhere, or anytime, against any opposing conditions or powers. OMNIPRESENCE: the quality of being present everywhere, and absent from nowhere. OMNISCIENCE: the Knowledge of every fact and datum in Past, Present, and Future. The first three Chapters of GENESIS debunk all of the theories that God has those attributes. Ignoring them, the Pharisees seem to have said: "GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, AND HAS THE POWER TO STOP US, IF HE WANTS, SO THAT, IF WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO, HE WOULD STOP US:THEREFORE IT MUST BE THE WILL OF GOD FOR US TO TORTURE AND KILL THESE SELF-PROCLAIMED PROPHETS!!!" This is how Oyinbo Christian leaders justify every wicked thing they do- from abusing children to invading, bombing, and plundering nations that never did them any harm. This Doctrine is integral to their lifestyle. solite3: PAUL WAS A FALSE CHRISTIAN, WHO LIED ABOUT EVERYTHING. ALL OF HIS TEACHINGS ARE ACTUALLY PHARISEE PRINCIPLES LORD YESHUA HAD CONDEMNED. The Disciples all knew this, of course, and gleefully used him to destroy their competition. [To be Continued:] |
Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by ochibuogwu5: 1:22pm On Dec 24, 2019 |
For those saying a believer/christian can sin, die in sin without repentance and still go to heaven: Ephesians 5:3-14 Amplified Bible (AMP) 3 But sexual immorality and all [moral] impurity [indecent, offensive behavior] or greed must not even be hinted at among you, as is proper among saints [for as believers our way of life, whether in public or in private, reflects the validity of our faith]. 4 Let there be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse [obscene or vulgar] joking, because such things are not appropriate [for believers]; but instead speak of your thankfulness [to God]. *5 For be sure of this: no immoral, impure, or greedy person—for that one is [in effect] an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God [for such a person places a higher value on something other than God]. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty arguments [that encourage you to sin], for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience [those who habitually sin]. 7 So do not participate or even associate with them [in the rebelliousness of sin].* 8 For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of Light [live as those who are native-born to the Light] 9 (for the fruit [the effect, the result] of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), 10 trying to learn [by experience] what is pleasing to the Lord [and letting your lifestyles be examples of what is most acceptable to Him—your behavior expressing gratitude to God for your salvation]. 11 Do not participate in the worthless andunproductive deeds of darkness, but instead expose them [by exemplifying personal integrity, moral courage, and godly character]; 12 for it is disgraceful even to mention the things that such people practice in secret. 13 But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light [of God’s precepts], for [a]it is light that makes everything visible. 14 For this reason He says, “Awake, sleeper, And arise from the dead, And Christ will shine [as dawn] upon you and give you light.” 1 Like |
Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by ochibuogwu5: 7:58pm On Dec 24, 2019 |
Luke 11:35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. |
Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 5:11pm On May 17, 2023 |
ochibuogwu5:That is the fate of those who will end up in Hell. They are, all of them born-again and hence saved from perishing in the grave. But sadly, that means that they will instead spend eternity which was gifted to them in eternal damnation. |
Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 10:04pm On May 19, 2023 |
■ A lady was a fervent member of her church choir, she got into the university and decided to get a boyfriend. One day she went to visit her man and she lost her virginity through fornication. On her way back home, she had a fatal accident and died and ended up in hell. If you die with an unconfessed sin, you will end up in hell. This story I told isn't fiction. It's a revelation from God. Let him that has ears hear what the SI put it to you that this story of yours is of fable and this has to do with the fact that there is nobody in Hellfire even to this day; Jesus Christ explained why in His Gospel - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. |
Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 2:34am On May 23, 2023 |
ichuka:One of the first things you were told of the kid named David was that he was first a righteous man — a man after God's own heart — and it is for this very reason that God replaced Saul, an unrighteous King with Him, but also promised David his lineage with be on the throne forever. You cannot go around comparing his life and situation with that of every unrighteous person you meet who claims to be born-again. |
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