atiku4President:

The way some of you reason baffles me. You mean the pastor who oversees the Church should have sat down and watch what he didn't know about happen in his presence? Tommoro if anything bad happens to the relationship (but God forbid) people like you will still come out and start insulting the pastor. What a generation we are in now

And the way you reason is also funny.
Who will insult a pastor because the wedding of 2 adults don't work out?

Or is that something you would do?

The man is a foolish man. How could a reasonable man propose in a church when wedding is ongoing. Is it a must you must propose in a church? His stupidity deserves a grammy

atiku4President:
That's insubordination if either you or your would- be wife is a member of the Church. Even if none of you are, you think the house of God is a place to do a thing like that without the consent of the man overseeing the affairs of the Church. What kind of a generation are we and how do human beings reason these days? How do you see it that you are engaging a sister in a Church where the pastor is not aware of the relationship? You think a Church is a social gathering? Tomorrow if anything happens to the relationship/marriage (but God forbid) social media will say you even got engaged before the Pastor. My friend, humble yourself and appreciate the pastor saved the image of the Church.

Don't bring up this thing called religion to this matter!
The pastor bleeped up full time. Let's call a spade, a spade. He is a pastor not the God

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atiku4President:

The way some of you reason baffles me. You mean the pastor who oversees the Church should have sat down and watch what he didn't know about happen in his presence? Tommoro if anything bad happens to the relationship (but God forbid) people like you will still come out and start insulting the pastor. What a generation we are in now

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atiku4President:

The way some of you reason baffles me. You mean the pastor who oversees the Church should have sat down and watch what he didn't know about happen in his presence? Tommoro if anything bad happens to the relationship (but God forbid) people like you will still come out and start insulting the pastor. What a generation we are in now

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atiku4President:

The way some of you reason baffles me. You mean the pastor who oversees the Church should have sat down and watch what he didn't know about happen in his presence? Tommoro if anything bad happens to the relationship (but God forbid) people like you will still come out and start insulting the pastor. What a generation we are in now

do u knw that some Pastor are d cause of unhappy home

Udu people and their killer bridge!

sinaj:
Wow! Was even thinking the pastor is the girl's father.

Mitcheeeew

Same here, honestly!

NEWS Islamic group reacts as CJN calls for constitution amendment to accommodate Sharia lawPublished 11 hours ago on December 13, 2019 By John Owen Nwachukwu

The Muslim Rights Concern (MURIC) has reacted to the Chief Justice of Nigeria (CJN), Justice Muhammad Tanko’s call for constitutional amendments to accommodate some peculiarities of Shariah law which have been ignored for so long.

The CJN made the statement while declaring open the 20th Annual Judges Conference at the Ahmadu Bello University (ABU), Zaria, Kaduna State, yesterday.

The CJN was represented by Justice Muhammad Danjuma, the Grand Khadi of Niger State.

MURIC backed the CJN’s suggestion, adding that the current constitution was a child of British colonial Christianisation of the country which had failed to take into consideration the multi-religious nature of the Nigerian nation.

MURIC spoke through its director, Professor Ishaq Akintola, who issued a press statement to DAILY POST on the matter, Friday.

The statement added, “The CJN has our full backing on this. The British colonial government bequeathed a legacy of Christianisation to the Nigerian nation. Muslims were not comfortable with it but the British did not listen.

“The British did not give a damn. The Northern Muslims resisted and the British invaded the North.

“Muslim resistance was brutally broken by the ruthless massacre of thousands of Muslim freedom fighters in Hausaland, particularly in Burmi (1903), Satiru (1906) and Zinder (1917).

“Even those who surrounded were not spared as they were mowed down with machine guns. Thereafter, the British victors curtailed Islamic landmarks.

“Islam had arrived in Karnem Borno in the year 1085 (818 years before the invasion of the North by the British) during the reign of King Humi Jilmi while Christianity was first preached in 1842 (757 years after the advent of Islam) under the Agacia tree in Badagry.

“As far as we are concerned, therefore, the British who brought Christianity to Nigeria spread their religion by force after invading the North, after intimidating the South West and after subdueing the Muslims who had been practicing their faith for more than 800 years. They used excessive force against the Muslims and carried out barbaric and extra-judicial killings.

“The bombardment of Lagos in 1851 by Commodore Captain R. W. Bruce during the ‘Boiling Battle’ (Ogun Ahoyaya) and the subsequent surrender of the city was the first operation ‘shock and awe’ designed to cow Southerners. It was equally intended to send a strong message to the North.

“The booming of cannon shells and other bombs was hitherto unknown to the city. Lagos quickly put its tail between its legs like a frightened dog and other cities in the South West took the cue.

“It was a fait accompli. The Muslim population cautioned its membership against courting the ire of the colonial masters. This surrender paved the way for the creation of the Lagos Colony ten years later (1861).

“From then onwards, the city of Lagos which by 1775 had more than fifty Islamic schools, opened the floodgate to the intimidation and coercion of Muslim children in colonial schools. This persecution has lasted to date.

“We have gone down the lanes of history because today was born from the wombs of yesterday. Muslims in Yorubaland put up no armed resistance to colonial invasion and forceful conversion whereas Northern Muslims died in their thousands resisting colonial invasion.

“This resulted in the bold and ruthless conversion of Muslims to Christianity in the South West whereas the colonialists exercised caution in their dealing with Northern Muslims.

“This situation also informed British adoption of indirect rule in the North. Nobody should ask MURIC to forget the history of Nigerian Muslims. Brutalisation of Muslims by the British marauders is part of our history just as the forceful abandonment of Islamic landmarks as ordered by the British Christian evangelists.

“It was after the British had killed all Muslims who resisted their occupation of Northern Nigeria and after they had imposed restrictions on the Shariah that they established a Christian-oriented administration.

“Western education through which thousands of Muslims were forcefully converted was also introduced to replace Islamic education which was already popular before the arrival of the British.

“This was the situation until Nigeria obtained independence in 1960 and the Muslims continued to bear the brunt of subjection to a Christian-oriented system.

“Unfortunately successive regimes in post-independence Nigeria have failed to review the system after the exit of the British in spite of repeated demands. As a result of this, the Muslims remain unintegrated, unaccommodated and displeased.

“Without attempting to justify violent uprisings, it is our contention that this lop-sidedness is partly responsible for the interreligious clashes which Nigeria has experienced to date, including, of course, Boko Haram insurgency.

“The system we run in this country is not only alien to Muslim culture, it has marginalised the Muslim population. Our democracy is deceptive in as much as Muslims who form the largest segment of the population are not integrated into the system. Participatory democracy is the global best practice. But not in Nigeria.

“Nigeria’s democracy excludes the Muslims. Our weekends shut Muslims out. It is the entire monopoly of Christians. Saturday and Sunday are free but Friday is not.

“The Muslim girl-child goes to school with tears in her eyes because she must not enter the school with hijab on her head. There is no single Shariah Appeal Court in the entire South West and Muslims in that sub-region are subjected to Christian common law in all civil matters.

“Muslim marriages conducted inside mosques are not recognised but those held in churches are sacrosanct. This democracy is fraudulent.

“Christian women enjoy the monopoly of recruitment into the army, navy, police, civil defence, traffic wardens, immigrations, customs, etc but Muslim women cannot because those uniformed agencies will not recruit users of hijab. Yet Muslim police women and soldiers use hijab in Britain, United States, Ireland, etc. Female Muslim graduates therefore remain jobless and impoverished while their Christian counterparts smile to the banks.

“Yet it was not so ab initio. It was the British Christian colonialists who changed the system to favour Christians only. This is not good enough and we need to sit down like neighbours to renegotiate our nationhood.

“It is always better to jaw-jaw than to war-war. If we all condemn the Boko Haram style, what alternative have we put forward?

“MURIC therefore embraces the CJN’s idea of the need for constitutional amendment. It is even belated. It is part of restructuring.

“We hope the restructuring camp will welcome the CJN’s idea because it is not going to be about Muslim demands alone but a comprehensive one. We call for objectivity in this matter.

“Those who always oppose anything which is likely to benefit Muslims are urged to consider this initiative with an open mind. Constitutional amendment has all the potentials to usher in peace and tranquillity if we approach it with sincerity.”

linearity:


So you thing the guy that did the Church wedding is a good example of a wise husband, since you have adjudged the other guy unwise, what is your baseline and barometer?

There is nothing spiritual about wedding, they are all for the publicity...the sparkling immaculate white dress, the diamond ring, the suite, the shinning shoes, the flowers, etc. I will equally say, no spiritual person will do a church wedding, if you think church proposal is carnal.

I thought the church belong to God and Jesus comes for even sinners; why do you think he must seek the permission of the elders before entering the house of the Lord and propose in His presence? Unless you think the mere act of proposing to a lady is sinful, you are the one projecting carnality into it and it is surprising you do not see carnality in the Church wedding, which have carnality in full display.

Except you just want to be stubborn....

A wedding is an exercise with spiritual connotation. Something that happened throughout the Bible, even Jesus honored one.

I told you guy isn't wise. Why? A wise person understands times and season, just like the children of Issachar.
A wise man weighs his thoughts and actions, and doesn't just run to fufil his lust and cravings.

Bible warns us against having ZEAL without knowledge. It's very dangerous.

Yes, the church belongs to God. But he has assigned and appointed overseers over the church for the purpose or orderliness. God is a God of orderliness. And that orderliness was what the guy lacked. Orderliness was what the pastor sought for.
There's enough desecration going on. This practice shouldn't be given room to thrive at all.

It could probably degenerate to a point where unruly people would want to propose in the middle of a church sermon just for the purpose of seeking attention.

I shared a personal experience which you wonderfully dodged. That shows that you probably don't support it either.

A more honorable way could be the guy doing his proposal in their privacy, both going to the pastor and asking him to announce their engagement/courtship in the presence of everyone.

While the above is not a standard, yet it would have showed a guy who has respect for the system God has put in place.

Like I said, except you just want to be stubborn Sir. There's no justification for the guys actions.

atiku4President:
It will be a waste of time to respond to your life of emptiness.

This guy dey vex ooo Na Deeper life or choosen member you be?

bluebay:
Did you take time to ask the girl if she's happy about it ? Coz her face is telling something else..

Dumb question!
If she is nothappy about it, why would she accept the ring ?

Or have you not seen women rejecting a public engagement proposal before?


So, the useless Pastoe is not even the Biological father of the girl he was spoiling her joy?
Useless Pastors that like to control th elife of equally foolish members.
Thunderfire that Pastor for saying "I dont know you, you cant marry my daughter, sorry for embarassing you".

sinaj:
Wow! Was even thinking the pastor is the girl's father.

Mitcheeeew

Abii oo my sister... because the last edition stated that the pastor who stopped the man is the girl's father....I don't see anything wrong in him proposing to the girl..their relationship their biz....they aren't kids in sec sch

Culin:
But seriously though, how can two church members be dating and the pastor won't be aware, what kind of a relationship is that?

Forget ...he dey happen...if he don ripe then Dem go later show for pastor house...God knowing Abt it is the most important....

I have seen couples joined(matchmaking) together by pastors and nothing good came out of it....Na God be Koko jare

It was meant to be an engagement, what's the pastor's problem with that? ALL THESE SO CALLED GOD OF MEN SEF, I TIRE FOR THEM

u deserve everything that happened to u. U guys are living 4 social media. d Bible says where 2 or more are gathered in my name i am there. U shud av proposed to her in ur house in Gods name but u wanted to trend

u deserve everything that happened to u. U guys are living 4 social media. d Bible says where 2 or more are gathered in my name i am there. U shud av proposed to her in ur house in Gods name but u wanted to trend.

I don’t know about Pentecostal churches but in Catholic Church you can try that,I don’t have issues with the guy and babe but that friend on native,very jealous friend may God not allow us have that kind of friend

linearity:


Much ado about nothing!

Keep blowing empty air!

There is no scriptural backing or example to the nonsense you just spoil out there, that the Pastor must be in the know!

In fact, there is no scriptural backing or example for church wedding; the Bible only supports traditional wedding & parental consents and guy stated that, the girl’s parents are aware, which is inline with the scriptures.

The Pastor should have removed his over blown ego from the matter, if that was truly a Church, it therefore means that, it belongs to God and not the Pastor and the guy is permitted to do his engagement before God....Eli in the Bible did not poke nose into Samuel’s affairs with God.

Sometimes, most us thinks that Church is a social gathering where we do all nonsense because we want to trend. Hard it been that the guy did it quietly before the alter of God or before the pastor, the pastor will not object but trying that nonsense in someone's weeding because of publicity, call for concern if the pastor don't want the church to turn to a playground

U still don't get the message. But continue.

linearity:


Much ado about nothing!

Keep blowing empty air!

There is no scriptural backing or example to the nonsense you just spoil out there, that the Pastor must be in the know!

In fact, there is no scriptural backing or example for church wedding; the Bible only supports traditional wedding & parental consents and guy stated that, the girl’s parents are aware, which is inline with the scriptures.

The Pastor should have removed his over blown ego from the matter, if that was truly a Church, it therefore means that, it belongs to God and not the Pastor and the guy is permitted to do his engagement before God....Eli in the Bible did not poke nose into Samuel’s affairs with God.

linearity:


So you thing the guy that did the Church wedding is a good example of a wise husband, since you have adjudged the other guy unwise, what is your baseline and barometer?

There is nothing spiritual about wedding, they are all for the publicity...the sparkling immaculate white dress, the diamond ring, the suite, the shinning shoes, the flowers, etc. I will equally say, no spiritual person will do a church wedding, if you think church proposal is carnal.

I thought the church belong to God and Jesus comes for even sinners; why do you think he must seek the permission of the elders before entering the house of the Lord and propose in His presence? Unless you think the mere act of proposing to a lady is sinful, you are the one projecting carnality into it and it is surprising you do not see carnality in the Church wedding, which have carnality in full display.

So, strangers, co tenants, Landlord's children, friends etc don't need your permission before entering your rented apartment to have sex or do anything because the house doesn't belong to you right? Did the couple take permission before wedding or not? Go and read well, he was a total stranger in that church disrupting an organised program, nobody does that!
What happens to taking permission prior the engagement? Did the couple engage in the church? What if 3 different people decide to engage in one person's program? The place will be turned to what?
The girl's parents know him but the Pastor didn't, why didn't he propose at the traditional wedding i.e their home?

atiku4President:
That's insubordination if either you or your would- be wife is a member of the Church. Even if none of you are, you think the house of God is a place to do a thing like that without the consent of the man overseeing the affairs of the Church. What kind of a generation are we and how do human beings reason these days? How do you see it that you are engaging a sister in a Church where the pastor is not aware of the relationship? You think a Church is a social gathering? Tomorrow if anything happens to the relationship/marriage (but God forbid) social media will say you even got engaged before the Pastor. My friend, humble yourself and appreciate the pastor saved the image of the Church.

Stop this rubbish already. There is no religion or doctrine anywhere in the World, where marriage has git anything to do with the Clergy.

Even in Christianity, marriage is between families and the Church has absolutely no role to play. You people should stop twisting the bible and disseminating false gospel...

linearity:


If you are a scriptural based christian and judges things based on the scriptural examples and principles; am hard pressed to see how you will view proposing to a lady in the Church desecrating the temple of God, whereas wedding a lady in the Church is not?

Both practices are foreign to Christianity and was never practiced by early believers; as much as I do not condemn Church wedding, I think you are an hypocrite or does not know your Bible too well, if you approve of Church wedding and call proposing in the Church something evil.

4u to say that I am a "hypocrite" and "that I don't no my Bible", is more or less an emotional outburst cos I don't see how that comment is relevant to d discussion. This is a harmless conversation about a very simple matter but I am surprised at ur unprovoked personal attack & use of foul language even in a so called biblical conversation.

If u didn't agree with what I said, it wouldn't cost u anything to point out d errors in my comment without resorting to personal attacks. Ur use of d type of language u use doesn't in anyway validate what u said. What validates what u said are ur facts.

In relation to my comment, if u noticed, I picked out d point u made about Eli. That point was erroneous & I did justice (without calling u names) by telling u that his docility wasn't a virtue according to scriptures. So I fail to see how that warrants u spilling ur emotions.

They just come online and use Pastor or Church as Keyword just to insult, God will disgrace them all. If the couple took permission before wedding in Church, why should a total stranger break protocol?

Where have you ever heard Muslims proposing in their mosques and disrupting any sort of program?
The girl's parents know him, what stopped him from proposing at the traditional wedding?
To the zombies who say you can enter an eatery to propose without permission, do you think the people around them are strangers and you can be filming their customers unauthorized? No! It is organised with their consent.
What if a boss and his Secretary are having lunch and the video gets to his wife? Do film makers just enter any community and start filming without permission?
So, someone can enter your rented apartment to have sex without permission because the house doesn't belong to you?
Someone can use your office to film without your permission because it is a government building right? Even if it is the reception, he needed permission especially from the groom cos we know the bride won't complain because she is her sister.

My dear, that's a relationship from God.I and my husband are from same Church and our parish priest got to know about our relationship the day we registered for marriage class.All he did was congratulate us and celebrate that two of his parishioners are getting married.

Culin:
But seriously though, how can two church members be dating and the pastor won't be aware, what kind of a relationship is that?

you broketards come to disruptr a churh service with your useless shit. the pastor dosnt have the right to stop u from pproposing but he has the right to stop you from causing nuisance in his premises. is this how your father proposed to ur mother?

Stories!!!In a healthy church,you talk to the girl first then her parents.All the pastor has to do is advise and bless the marriage.

Ornament2003:


End-time proposal
End-time intending couple.
Anyway, God is not mocked!

In a healthy church, you don't even talk to the sister until you have shared your intention with the pastor, & your claim has been scrutinized.

But these ones even look like they have been having pre-marital sex self.

Smh

Oga, there are one thousand and one scriptural verses to support the Pastor, for starters the Bible demands that the pastor must know the state of his flocks, unless they are not members of that church, but if they are, he has every right in heaven and on Earth and God in heaven will back him. Op even said he is "just a spiritual Father" I don't understand. He actually acknowledges he is a father because he feels it's spiritual, he is adding "just". This a lost generation, too much knowledge has indeed made people blind.

starrygal:
Stories!!!In a healthy church,you talk to the girl first then her parents.All the pastor has to do is advise and bless the marriage.

story you, in a healthy church you talk to
the pastor, the girl then her parents. How can he bless what he has not approved, but I know youth will not allow you hear, na when jungle mature, u Start looking for Pastor or u go to babalawo.

atiku4President:
That's insubordination if either you or your would- be wife is a member of the Church. Even if none of you are, you think the house of God is a place to do a thing like that without the consent of the man overseeing the affairs of the Church. What kind of a generation are we and how do human beings reason these days? How do you see it that you are engaging a sister in a Church where the pastor is not aware of the relationship? You think a Church is a social gathering? Tomorrow if anything happens to the relationship/marriage (but God forbid) social media will say you even got engaged before the Pastor. My friend, humble yourself and appreciate the pastor saved the image of the Church.

Am happy that most people appreciate my contribution on this issue. I also appreciate those who are opposed to it (especially those who express their views politely). For those whose mouths are always filled with unreasonable words, I do not have your time. You will get what you wish the society. As such people grow up and start running families and businesses, you will never know everything that happens in your familes and businesses. And you will be happy with it.

He should keep us informed when they later get married. Chapter close now

starrygal:
My dear, that's a relationship from God.I and my husband are from same Church and our parish priest got to know about our relationship the day we registered for marriage class.All he did was congratulate us and celebrate that two of his parishioners are getting married.

What's the essence of your registration? Notification! That's the point! It doesn't matter the level or extent of relationship as long as you don't misbehave in Church?
Could you have staged a proposal during a church service before the registration? NO!
Could you have wedded in that Church without his prior knowledge you were dating?
Did you wed the second day after registration or the Pastor was aware you were dating till marriage was fixed?
He has EVERY right to know what happens in the premises. That's the point!
You notified your Pastor you were dating in the Church!
This guy was a total stranger in that Church, nobody does that!

Jiokejohn:


The girl being proposed to is a younger sister to the bride. According to the guy, the girl's parents (bride parents) are aware of their relationship. So, such act will add more vibe to the wedding. The couple, especially the bride will see it as an honour that her younger sister was engaged on her wedding day.
(read the post again).

I know! it still does not make it right! they stole the couples show.

which vibe did the add? their vibe was stolen instead. did you hear anything about the couple since this broke out? nobody even mentioned them.

I did not notify him I was dating.i notified him for marriage class after our traditional marriage.You take permission to marry in the church not permission to marry the person.

Ijawwomaninoyo:


What's the essence of your registration? Notification! That's the point! It doesn't matter the level or extent of relationship as long as you don't misbehave in Church?
Could you have staged a proposal during a church service before the registration? NO!
Could you have wedded in that Church without his prior knowledge you were dating?
Did you wed the second day after registration or the Pastor was aware you were dating till marriage was fixed?
He has EVERY right to know what happens in the premises. That's the point!
You notified your Pastor you were dating in the Church!
This guy was a total stranger in that Church, nobody does that!