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Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Tareq1105: 10:53pm On Feb 23, 2020
Frankiss44:


How many times will you be told that this has nothing to do with Mary Odili? Was she the only Supreme Court Justice on the case, she was just one among equals and her single vote wouldn't havr changed anything if the others didn't agree..


She should have recuse herself considering the fact that her husband is still a leader in PDP afterall Justice Bukachua of Appeal Court did same in Atikus Case against our figure head president.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 6:46am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:

Arguing with you is stressful and annoying.it is settled law that any allegations against elections must be proven unit by unit.each unit is on its own.the electoral act completely states substantial noncompliance because it recognizes that there must be irregularities,no election is perfect? Any infraction is isolated to that particular unit alone and not generalized
The allegation is against the results produced by Hope which INEC itself has declared to be fake and even produced incidence forms to prove it. So what else are you talking about? The issue is that those results are fake not whether some of them have over-voting and some don't.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 6:48am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:

I told you earlier than polling units were overvoting was identified was six and if you remove them,it will change nothing.the law is that you must work with accredited votes from manual register not card reader
Manual register is also filled using PVC. Check the total score. It exceed the total number of voters with PVCs
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 6:58am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:

Guy,you completely know nothing about law.it is settled law that a judgment concerns only those that were joined or sued,apc were never party to that suit.the suit was purely between aa vs nwosu.no other party was joined.the judgment was at large,a judicial rascality and null and void.it is like a judge saying that tinubu is convicted when no case is before him,it amounts to nothing.it is a nullity.

Commonsense also suggest that nwosu being nominated by two parties voids he's nomination.in the eyes of the law,he's not a candidate and has ruled himself out.nwosu contested apc primaries in court and he lost at the high court.he never appealed within 14 days so that case died and instead of appealing he ran to another party.if the case had gone to supreme court and he never joined another party,he will have been apc candidate in the eyes of the law.dont bring this up again please

Ask yourself can a supreme court judge a case that did not pass through the appeal court? Can one jump from the high court to the supreme bypassing the appeal court? Can a supreme court assume original jurisdiction in a pre election case?
What you're saying does not make sense. Do you mean losing primaries of one party means you can't go to another party? If it is nwosu that is ruled out not AA, then it means AA's votes are still valid and can't be removed. But if nwosu is disqualified for accepting AA's nomination while being that of APC, then tell me how APC is able to replace him with Hope? What that means is that Hope is not even supposed to be there.
Appealing a case is not by force. If he decided he was ok with the high court judgement, what stops him from seeking the candidacy of another party then?
Like I said, what you wrote makes absolutely no sense.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by kahal29: 7:15am On Feb 24, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

The allegation is against the results produced by Hope which INEC itself has declared to be fake and even produced incidence forms to prove it. So what else are you talking about? The issue is that those results are fake not whether some of them have over-voting and some don't.

Pls kindly show me where either INEC OR Ihedioha disputed Hope uzodinma result which he tendered in court?

I don't mean this one they trying to do now that final judgement has been delivered based on parties pleadings and issues joined.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 7:20am On Feb 24, 2020
kahal29:


Pls kindly show me where either INEC OR Ihedioha disputed Hope uzodinma result which he tendered in court?

I don't mean this one they trying to do now that final judgement has been delivered based on parties pleadings and issues joined.

Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Dansuqi: 8:04am On Feb 24, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

What you're saying does not make sense. Do you mean losing primaries of one party means you can't go to another party? If it is nwosu that is ruled out not AA, then it means AA's votes are still valid and can't be removed. But if nwosu is disqualified for accepting AA's nomination while being that of APC, then tell me how APC is able to replace him with Hope? What that means is that Hope is not even supposed to be there.
Appealing a case is not by force. If he decided he was ok with the high court judgement, what stops him from seeking the candidacy of another party then?
Like I said, what you wrote makes absolutely no sense.
Actually you lack understanding.but for the purpose of others,let me simplify it again.

1) nwosu disqualification does not affect or concern hope.
2) disqualification of nwosu as aa candidates nullifies the votes of aa.
3 the matter is between aa and nwosu.it does not concern apc or hope
4 the high court judgment was the last judgment about the apc candidature.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Dansuqi: 8:07am On Feb 24, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

Manual register is also filled using PVC. Check the total score. It exceed the total number of voters with PVCs
I have seen it.pdp will also prove that polling unit by polling unit which is not possible.anyway pdp are smart here,they didn't include that in their petition
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Dansuqi: 8:12am On Feb 24, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

The allegation is against the results produced by Hope which INEC itself has declared to be fake and even produced incidence forms to prove it. So what else are you talking about? The issue is that those results are fake not whether some of them have over-voting and some don't.
Any allegation against result sheets or holding of election is very serious and must be provrn in all units one by one.there's no time for that,the only place for that is the tribunal and moreover this was never part of pdp's prayers.
For pdp to make headway in this review,they will need to bring matters that they can thrash quickly on the 2nd and attacking the elections will defeat that purpose.
You can see the application of kanu,it is mostly about the spread
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:27am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:

Actually you lack understanding.but for the purpose of others,let me simplify it again.

1) nwosu disqualification does not affect or concern hope.
2) disqualification of nwosu as aa candidates nullifies the votes of aa.
3 the matter is between aa and nwosu.it does not concern apc or hope
4 the high court judgment was the last judgment about the apc candidature.
The matter was not between AA and nwosu. It was APP that took nwosu to court. The matter got to the supreme court. You don't know what you're talking about. If he was supposed to be the candidate of APC, then Hope was not a candidate ab initio.
See below: https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.ripplesnigeria.com/supreme-court-says-okorochas-son-in-law-nwosu-was-unqualified-to-vie-for-imo-gov-poll/&hl=en-NG

In case you don't know, uche nwosu got an order restraining APC from submitting any other name to inec apart from his. That order has not been vacated and it's on the strength of that order that he was billed to have double nomination. By that order, he was APC candidate in the eyes of the law.

https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.nairaland.com/5498139/court-appeal-upholds-ugwumba-uche&hl=en-NG
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:29am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:

I have seen it.pdp will also prove that polling unit by polling unit which is not possible.anyway pdp are smart here,they didn't include that in their petition
It's in their petition. It came after the issue of spread. Pdp don't need to prove it polling unit by polling unit when the results have already been disowned by INEC.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:31am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:

Any allegation against result sheets or holding of election is very serious and must be provrn in all units one by one.there's no time for that,the only place for that is the tribunal and moreover this was never part of pdp's prayers.
For pdp to make headway in this review,they will need to bring matters that they can thrash quickly on the 2nd and attacking the elections will defeat that purpose.
You can see the application of kanu,it is mostly about the spread
Inec said elections did not hold or were cancelled due to over-voting. They also said those results are fake. So, it was already settled at trial that those results are documentary hearsay and inadmissible.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Dansuqi: 8:45am On Feb 24, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

Inec said elections did not hold or were cancelled due to over-voting. They also said those results are fake. So, it was already settled at trial that those results are documentary hearsay and inadmissible.

Inec saying elections did not hold or were canceled is a serious allegations that must be proven beyond reasonable doubt.they failed to tell the court how they will prove the case and failed to adduce any prove to that effect.

It is settled law that election results or its duplicate are regular before the law and are admissible.you clearly do not know what hearsay is.dont use words anyhow
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Dansuqi: 8:48am On Feb 24, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

It's in their petition. It came after the issue of spread. Pdp don't need to prove it polling unit by polling unit when the results have already been disowned by INEC.
Pdp need to prove it unit by unit,it is the law.sorry.inec cannot just disown it,they must bring evidence to show why it must be disowned.check atiku vs buhari.when inec disowned anything atiku brought they brought evidence to adduce to that.you cannot just make wild allegations in court,you must show proof
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by kahal29: 8:49am On Feb 24, 2020
[quote author=Agboriotejoye post=86906625][/quote]

And the Supreme Court justice held thus...

Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:56am On Feb 24, 2020
kahal29:


And the Supreme Court justice held thus...
It was an error of judgement. Even in the judgement, she made mention of the inec official who testified and the incidence forms he brought filled by the presiding officers for each polling unit, then went forward to claim that they never contested that elections held. So what were the incidence forms for? The duplicates were not certified. The act she quoted said a duplicate can replace the original not that it needs not be certified. The judgement was an error.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:59am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:

Pdp need to prove it unit by unit,it is the law.sorry.inec cannot just disown it,they must bring evidence to show why it must be disowned.check atiku vs buhari.when inec disowned anything atiku brought they brought evidence to adduce to that.you cannot just make wild allegations in court,you must show proof
INEC provided incidence forms to prove why they cancelled elections in those PUs. INEC did not bring any evidence to counter the server address in atiku's case. The fact that they said they didn't use a server sufficed coupled with the fact that the electoral act only recognises manual transmission of election results.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 9:01am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:


Inec saying elections did not hold or were canceled is a serious allegations that must be proven beyond reasonable doubt.they failed to tell the court how they will prove the case and failed to adduce any prove to that effect.

It is settled law that election results or its duplicate are regular before the law and are admissible.you clearly do not know what hearsay is.dont use words anyhow
That's not my word. That's the trial court. It held that the police officer under subpoena was not at each polling unit and cannot say for sure those results emanated from the PUs. Are you sure you're conversant with this case?
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Dansuqi: 9:09am On Feb 24, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

That's not my word. That's the trial court. It[b] held that the police officer under subpoena was not at each polling unit and cannot say for sure those results emanated from the PUs[/b]. Are you sure you're conversant with this case?
I was the only one that predicted uzodinma's victory so ill say that you are clearly not conversant with the case.the supreme court clearly said that the tribunal and appeal courts misapprehended and misunderstood the case.ill also include you.

The bolded cannot apply in this case.uzodinma prayer was that his results were wrongly excluded not whether elections held or not.the statement of the tribunal applies in cases where elections were challenged.the standard of proof for excluded results is to provide copies of unit result sheets and ward result sheets plus the police copies which he did.nothing more nothing less.the tribunal mishandled the case
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Dansuqi: 9:13am On Feb 24, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

INEC provided incidence forms to prove why they cancelled elections in those PUs. INEC did not bring any evidence to counter the server address in atiku's case. The fact that they said they didn't use a server sufficed coupled with the fact that the electoral act only recognises manual transmission of election results.
Incident form is not recognized by law.again,it is settled law that once results have been declared at polling units,it cannot be canceled except by a court.inec should have filed a cross appeal at the tribunal to call for the cancelling of the 388 units.incidence forms are inferior to result sheets
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by kahal29: 9:13am On Feb 24, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

It was an error of judgement. Even in the judgement, she made mention of the inec official who testified and the incidence forms he brought filled by the presiding officers for each polling unit, then went forward to claim that they never contested that elections held. So what were the incidence forms for? The duplicates were not certified. The act she quoted said a duplicate can replace the original not that it needs not be certified. The judgement was an error.

Hahahaha...... Sorry. Your eyes go soon clear by March 2 and little peanuts you are getting from Ihedioha to keep your Hope alive would be gone.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 9:19am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:

I was the only one that predicted uzodinma's victory so ill say that you are clearly not conversant with the case.the supreme court clearly said that the tribunal and appeal courts misapprehended and misunderstood the case.ill also include you.

The bolded cannot apply in this case.uzodinma prayer was that his results were wrongly excluded not whether elections held or not.the statement of the tribunal applies in cases where elections were challenged.the standard of proof for excluded results is to provide copies of unit result sheets and ward result sheets plus the police copies which he did.nothing more nothing less.the tribunal mishandled the case
That's in your eyes. INEC is the body empowered by law to conduct elections and declare results not Hope. What is most damning is the duplicates were not signed by the presiding officers of the PUs. It could have been procured from anywhere. That's exactly what the trial court held. The inec official also brought incidence forms to prove that elections did not hold or were cancelled in those polling units. What more is there to say. If elections are cancelled, it follows logic that there'll be no results which is what INEC did. It is also why the results are fraught with errors.
If nothing else, from nomination to elections, everything about Hope has been proven to be a fraud. At least you agree now that he was not the validly nominated candidate for the APC based on that court order so he does not even have a ground to file a case on.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 9:23am On Feb 24, 2020
kahal29:


Hahahaha...... Sorry. Your eyes go soon clear by March 2 and little peanuts you are getting from Ihedioha to keep your Hope alive would be gone.
Not just peanuts but groundnuts as well. You can speak for yourself what you're getting from Hope. Ever since he was sworn in, he has not spent a full week in Imo. The guilty are afraid.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 9:25am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:

Incident form is not recognized by law.again,it is settled law that once results have been declared at polling units,it cannot be canceled except by a court.inec should have filed a cross appeal at the tribunal to call for the cancelling of the 388 units.incidence forms are inferior to result sheets
What!! Says who. Dude you just pull things out of your behind anyhow. Result sheets that are not issued by inec presiding officers are superior to incidence forms filled by them according to you. More importantly, INEC says it never declared any results so why will INEC ask for cancellation of results it never declared.

I've said it before that's my worry about dis Imo verdict. Politicians will just disrupt elections and go to a corner to write results and INEC must accept it. That's what this verdict will bring.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Dansuqi: 9:34am On Feb 24, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

That's in your eyes. INEC is the body empowered by law to conduct elections and declare results not Hope. What is most damning is the duplicates were not signed by the presiding officers of the PUs. It could have been procured from anywhere. That's exactly what the trial court held. The inec official also brought incidence forms to prove that elections did not hold or were cancelled in those polling units. What more is there to say. If elections are cancelled, it follows logic that there'll be no results which is what INEC did. It is also why the results are fraught with errors.
If nothing else, from nomination to elections, everything about Hope has been proven to be a fraud. At least you agree now that he was not the validly nominated candidate for the APC based on that court order so he does not even have a ground to file a case on.
Inec is empowered to organize and declare results but their actions is subject to court review.the court has indicted inec and thats final.
Those result sheets were signed by presiding officers and apc agents.if you believe otherwise,show us a copy of the tribunal judgment stating they they were not signed since you are making those allegations.

Hope was validly nominated.even if he was not,there was no challenge to the high court judgment affirming his candidacy and the time for appeal has passed already.its just like taking degi biobarakuma to court now.it is of no use.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Dansuqi: 9:39am On Feb 24, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

What!! Says who. Dude you just pull things out of your behind anyhow. Result sheets that are not issued by inec presiding officers are superior to incidence forms filled by them according to you. More importantly, INEC says it never declared any results so why will INEC ask for cancellation of results it never declared.

I've said it before that's my worry about dis Imo verdict. Politicians will just disrupt elections and go to a corner to write results and INEC must accept it. That's what this verdict will bring.
The law recognizes result sheets,no law recognizes incidence forms that is the difference.inec cannot claim that no election held or result declared because that is not what hope prayed for.hope talked about exclusion of results,inec must answer based on that.bringing another allegation means inec must file a cross appeal which it didnt.its like you accusing someone of theft in court and he's accusing you of forgery,he must do so on a different case.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by JusticeSeeker: 9:40am On Feb 24, 2020
NOT even INEC has the power cancel a polling unit result after been declared by a presiding officer.
Agboriotejoye:

Inec said elections did not hold or were cancelled due to over-voting. They also said those results are fake. So, it was already settled at trial that those results are documentary hearsay and inadmissible.
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Dansuqi: 9:43am On Feb 24, 2020
kahal29:


And the Supreme Court justice held thus...

Agboriotejoye read this
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Dansuqi: 9:44am On Feb 24, 2020
JusticeSeeker:
NOT even INEC has the power cancel a polling unit result after been declared by a presiding officer.
Thank you,it is settled law.it was formulated years ago and not recently as he thinks
Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 10:19am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:

Inec is empowered to organize and declare results but their actions is subject to court review.the court has indicted inec and thats final.
Those result sheets were signed by presiding officers and apc agents.if you believe otherwise,show us a copy of the tribunal judgment stating they they were not signed since you are making those allegations.

Hope was validly nominated.even if he was not,there was no challenge to the high court judgment affirming his candidacy and the time for appeal has passed already.its just like taking degi biobarakuma to court now.it is of no use.
I keep saying you're not conversant with the case. If the results were signed by inec officials why were they now described as not certified?

What high court affirmed hope's candidacy? Did the high court vacate the order given by the federal high court to nwosu that APC should not submit any other name apart from his own? That's the only subsisting court order on the matter. You can show us the one affirming hope's candidacy if you indeed have it.

Here's a copy of the SC judgement affirming that only APC polling agents signed the results sheets

Re: Bayelsa Election: Falana Says Supreme Court Is Wrong, Lacks Jurisdiction by Agboriotejoye(m): 10:25am On Feb 24, 2020
Dansuqi:

The law recognizes result sheets,no law recognizes incidence forms that is the difference.inec cannot claim that no election held or result declared because that is not what hope prayed for.hope talked about exclusion of results,inec must answer based on that.bringing another allegation means inec must file a cross appeal which it didnt.its like you accusing someone of theft in court and he's accusing you of forgery,he must do so on a different case.

INEC did file a cross petition. Same with ihedioha at trial. You're not conversant with the case. Go and read about it. Besides, if INEC is empowered to conduct elections and declare results, they are also empowered to cancel elections which is what they did. Incidence forms are part of electoral guidelines which are recognised by law. INEC said there were no elections to begin with. Not to talk of results.

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