MrEgghead:
The most stupid and senseless comment I've seen this year.
You mean graduates of Anatomy and physiology to be taking taking medical students to paediatrics, O and G, Opthalmology clinic.

I'll take you for a neophyte who is grossly oblivious of his direction in life.

..the way and manner, some people jump into conclusion is bowl churning...Dimbat..!!!

Mandeyy:
That's why you're a stark illiterate. How can you employ somebody who studied anatomy or Physiology to lecture a clinical course? Which clinical course is he or she going to lecture? Non-medical lecturers also have dual or multiple jobs elsewhere. It's normal. Government doesn't pay enough. So, they use it to augment their salaries. It's normal for a consultant to work in the hospital and lecture simultaneously. He or she is called an honorary consultant. It's the normal practice everywhere, even in America and Britain. You're a medical laboratory scientist. Your problem is both ignorance and hatred for doctors.

...hahaha... You lack understanding.., and I am speaking based on my experience because I have passed through the system as a medical student....guide your glossal muscles..

danilmo:


U don't know what ure talking about. Lol, medicine is a very difficult course that need ur practical /visual knowledge to understand the theories. That's Y we use practical cadaver in year 2 so we can appreciate the theory. If not , medicine can break ur brain, I'm been real here..


Then wen we get to clinical class, we do classroom work, then ward round, theatre @ life practical comes to play with the consultant practicalise everything he taught in class to student.. So in other word, u can never have a seperate PhD in surgery and another Consultant in surgery..

Unless those consultant choose to go for PhD which on the good day too shallow for their wealth of knowledge.. A waste of time.

..It isn't difficult anything...

MrEgghead:
it's obvious many of you are ignorant of what medicine entails.
Those people who didn't have fellow did masters and phDs in basic Medical sciences which is the norm.
The training of a medical doctor is in two phases: Pre-clinical and clinical.
The problem now is with the Clinical part which is where we're getting it wrong.

They want them to be doing Ph.D in surgery , obstetrics , paediatrics WTF.
Medicine is not every 'dick and Harry" unlike what' is obtainable in other fields in Nigeria.
We apply our Knowledge into real life situations.

With their useless PhDs, what have they achieved?

pointless submission

SctDonald:
..the way and manner, some people jump into conclusion is bowl churning...Dimbat..!!!

Watch and learn.

olsmade:
The PhD requirement to teach medical students clinical medicine makes absolutely no sense. I don’t know of any country in the world where this happens. having a PhD has nothing do with your clinical acumen.

It is about clinical acumen. It is about the fact that MBBS/BDS training is regulated by both MDCN and NUC.

MDCN requires that only fellows can teach in clinical departments. NUC on the other hand requires all lecturers to possess PhD. So, lecturers in clinical departments should naturally fulfill the requirements of both MDCN and NUC.

johnjay4u2u:


please list the countries.
what many of you don't understand is medical practice is divided into preclinical and clinical.
in Nigeria, doctors do PhD in preclinical courses to lecture in Anatomy, Physiology and Biochemistry.
The clinical is different.
The teaching in clinical is more of in the hospital beside the sick patient, in the operation theatre where surgery is being done.
How do you want someone who hasn't done any surgery before but only had PhD in surgery be lecturing in the hospital?

There was not way you can have PhD in surgery without doing surgery, the admission requirement and course outline is very clear in that website.
Stop lying that physicians in other countries don't need PhD, there are many professors with 'MD, PhD' teaching students in other countries. Nigeria must follow suit.

Medicine is not engineering,and perhaps the consultant has gone back to school for another min of 6yrs post medical training.which includes research work.so they are not the same

Iretii0511:


If you would agree with me, this is more a matter of ego than it is of doing the right thing. Academics as a profession has its requirement the world over. While a graduate mechanical engineer may have worked in the field of engineering for 20 years with a lot of experience, to lecture, he still has to obtain a PhD which qualifies him as an academic.

don4real18:
I will love to see the contribution to the nation of those who made the PhD a requirement for progression. It's not just about acquiring the certification which is mostly political in this part of the world, what is more important is what they do with it.

it is polical moves to check mate the South.Unfortunayely,key positions-education,finance,medicine, power,oil and gas(the one produce by South) are encroached upon so that you don't move forward.
Since immemorial and all over the world,the practical demonstration of Medicine and Medicals are the Physicians(MBBS,there after you practice for some years-you go back to acquire your post graduate Professional-Nigeria or West Africa Post-Graduate).The PHD is only academics for teaching in University environment.It is like saying those with MBA(for business executives) should go and collect (MSc)which is for research in University!!.In fact we are confused and those doing it ate flying some polical kites.What is their Qualifications?
Now suddenly,this regime woke up and said everybody should have PHD-you see how we are missing it as a Nation!!!.
Remember how Nigerians were deceived that the Constitution is 'we' and we later discovered that it was a borrowed Construction from America!!. Those who imposed this Constitution on Nigeria did NOT informed Nigerians that in America the Legislature is run on PART-TIME- Basis,yet we have the most expensive Legislatures in the World.We are the architect of our problems!.
God will surely deliver us.
we should not politicised our lives-our health,for it may be your family tomorrow whose life will be threatened with sickness and diseases,will you fly to Europe,time to attend to your case may not be there!.Too shameful a decision for PHD.

phineas:


So you think a student with 7 years of first degree and another 3 years of PHD is better positioned to teach students the practice of clinical medecine than a consultant with 7 years of medecine ,and 5-7 years of fellowship training which includes research work and practice in surgery?

Please know these consultants that teach all have long duration of post qualification practice experience

This fellow has no understanding of what PhD is all about.

phineas:


Fellows write a great deal of papers from their medical work.Ibadan is known for a couple of medical inventions well written and documented from research.The instituition UCH has a lot of research work acknowledged internationally to its name courtsey of these fellows...

Fellows teach the art of medicine grounded in global practice ,and empirical research.They publish and present their work globally.

I think most of us here are actually missing the point. A real contribution to knowledge is often done at a Ph.D. level. If you must teach, you must have a Ph.D. Is this out of place? The fellowship is an apprenticeship, not academics. There are some MSc you will do in engineering that will not qualify you to do a PhD. Why? Because it is regarded as a professional MSc

SctDonald:
...hahaha... You lack understanding.., and I am speaking based on my experience because I have passed through the system as a medical student....guide your glossal muscles..

You were never a medical student. You were a medical laboratory science student. A person who passed deeply through the system wouldn't have uttered that gibberish.

funmisticqueen2:
pls come and guide a sister abeg.

i cannot gtake this country's nonsense anymore

Send an email to me.

Mandeyy:
You were never a medical student. You were a medical laboratory science student. A person who passed deeply through the system wouldn't have uttered that gibberish.

..who is a medical student..?

SctDonald:
..who is a medical student..?

Medlab students are not regarded as medical students

Is it not only medical students that these lots teach?

why forcing them to get PHD?

Will same apply to lawyers? or is it already applying?

Freddonance:


Medlab students are not regarded as medical students

Freddonance:


Medlab students are not regarded as medical students

...defintely, you aren't schooled enough..

Iretii0511:


Now we are on a page. While the experience engineer will give a better field performance, the one with a PhD will be a better lecturer. It is what it is. A consultant is good, excellent if I may. However, a consultant with PhD will perform better in the classroom and in research which is the core of academic.

are u trying to say after fellowship to become consultant, they should also further to get PhD as addiction??


if yes, are u ready to increase their salary intake?? because

If government want to achieve that aim, they should make a good added pay so that after fellowship, consultant will go for another PhD since it is necessary in NUC criteria, else they ll keep obeying NUC instruction to leave the lecturing job, consultant have decided to leave the teaching job both classroom and In ward round/theatre..

let NUC go and recruit consultant with PhD lecturers from God knows where that will collect the current normal pay and still give out d normal output..

Well Nigeria wants to make it a criteria.

sgtponzihater1:


Consultants dont need PHD for Medical Education. No where in the world is it a criteria

SctDonald:
..who is a medical student..?

a dental student studies dentistry; a medical student studies medicine and surgery; a medical laboratory science student studies medical laboratory science; a nursing student studies nursing, etc.

Mandeyy:
a dental student studies dentistry; a medical student studies medicine and surgery; a medical laboratory science student studies medical laboratory science; a nursing student studies nursing, etc.

..No need to keep wasting my time with you..