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Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by LagosShia: 4:12pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
brainpulse: [size=18pt]Aren't there some verses of the Qur'an that condone "killing the infidel"? [/size] By Huda, About.com Guide Question: Aren't there some verses of the Qur'an that condone "killing the infidel"? Answer: The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle -- i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur'an are in this context. There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by critics of Islam discussing "jihadism," or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics. "Slay Them" - If They Attack You First For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context: "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter, But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful, If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193). It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants. "Fight the Pagans" - If They Break Treaties A similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context. This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them, (as quoted above). Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous." Conclusion Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Qur'an. Nowhere in the Qur'an can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes. The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Qur'an 60:7-8 ) : "It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just." http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/f/terrorism_verse.htm |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by amunites19(m): 4:16pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Propher Muhammad was forced fight and he fougth 2 depends himself; when he started preaching his enemeis were very wicked to him and his followers there was a time he has to send his followers to Africa because they could not show themselves as muslims letter he decided to move to another town but do you known that these people still flow him to again want 2 fight him, so what do you want him to do? |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by skullbaba: 4:17pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
salam. The problem of muslim all over the world is lack education and proudness. The good part of christianity has been add to islam and the rest is shit. The ulammas are making matter worse because of their ego |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by maclatunji: 4:18pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
amunites19: Propher Muhammad was forced fight and he fougth 2 depends himself; when he started preaching his enemeis were very wicked to him and his followers there was a time he has to send his followers to Africa because they could not show themselves as muslims letter he decided to move to another town but do you known that these people still flow him to again want 2 fight him, so what do you want him to do? Fair question. |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by brainpulse: 4:23pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
quote author=amunites19Propher Muhammad was forced fight and he fougth 2 depends himself; when he started preaching his enemeis were very wicked to him and his followers there was a time he has to send his followers to Africa because they could not show themselves as muslims letter he decided to move to another town but do you known that these people still flow him to again want 2 fight him, so what do you want him to do?[/quote] ^^^ |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by Bella3(f): 4:29pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
The message of Jesus is nw turned to mockery! Bt seriously, if only muslims did wat u posted in this thread, the world wil be a beta place by 60% 2 Likes |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by Nobody: 4:32pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Ehhh! BOKO HARAM TINZ trendn! am out man |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by Adehwale: 4:41pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
karpentar: @zackson4realWhat u dont know is, even Islam considers phophet Issah (asw) otherwise known as jesus as one of the most respected and most adored prophet that ever came into existence. But being religiously inclined is far more than that, he came just like any other prophet to preach the word of God to the whole world. But i really did not see any where in the bible where he said you should compare him to the most high (Allah). Christians go as far as saying 'jesus is lord' meaning you can otherwise call him God, which is a big sin to God. Even the first commandment in the bible says 'I am the God, your lord' and to the best of my knowledge i havent seen anywhere in the bible where he stated if there is any other 'lord' except him. And throughout jesus's life he only preached the words of God and never told anyone to serve him. He wasnt to the first prophet neither was he the last. God sent the last prophet. Muhammed (saw) to lead the whole world through the right path as laid down by other prophet that came before him. He came to show the whole world (for those who believe in God) the rights and norms of Allah, show them how to serve and worship him. He came with laid down protocols on how to worship Allah and anyone who believes in the existence of God and the day of judgement, should follow the preaching of prophet muhammed(saw) in respect to all other prophets that came before him. |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by buJu234: 4:43pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
if only muslims did wat u posted in this thread, the world wil be a beta place by 60% because the Hindus;Jews; Christians etc will all have relative peace |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by Nobody: 4:43pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
LagosShia:in a waY its okay for them to keep killing as long as its their right abi? But they have made it their ambition to kill non muslims and unfortunately muslim caught in the line of fire, doesnt make your first statement true that muslims are killed more. Abi? Thanks for those verses will read them in context to get the idea than just take it out of context to mean what i want them to mean. |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by Saintparis1: 4:46pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
psst What are these people talking about? Muhammad killed those that insulted him. |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by maclatunji: 4:48pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Saint paris: psst What are these people talking about? Muhammad killed those that insulted him. LOL, learn to separate fact from fiction. There are over a billion Muslims in the world. There wouldn't be much of a world left if we are all killers as you want us to believe. |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by emmasege: 4:56pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
abbey621: I could care less about religion. It's nothing but one group or the other trying to enforce their point of view about the best way to worship God. I have yet to seen anyone that died and came back to reveal that Christianity or Islam is the true religion, and until that happens Christianity is not superior to Islam and Islam is not superior to Christianity. Throughout history it has been one group killing the other, earlier it was Christianity doing most of the killings, with the wicked roman churches and nowadays Islam has grown stronger and dark and evil minded extremists have misinterpreted the religion and taken the law into their own hands. The biggest tragedy of all in regards to Nigeria is that, the issue is not even religion, it's more of a ethnic, political and poverty triggered manipulation of the populace, you ignorant fools are so blind that you celebrate pastors, general overseers, alfas and sultans and put them on a holy pedestal, when most of them are nothing but crooks willing to watch you and your neighbor destroy each other. Well, i'd like to tell u that ur concern about someone coming from the dead to tell us the right way, was addressed by Jesus while on earth when he told the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. the rich man was in hell after leaving this world and begged that someone be sent to earth to warn his loved ones not to join him in hell. U know what Jesus said- THEY HAVE PROPHETS AMONG THEM. IF THEY WOULD NOT LISTEN TO THE PROPHETS, NEITHER WOULD THEY LISTEN EVEN IF ANYONE ROSE FROM THE DEAD. Furthermore, I recently listened to a man of God (Pastor Abraham) who died and came back to the earth. His testimony is a proof to the eternal truth that JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE (NO ONE GOES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THRU HIM). This is not to say that identifying with christianity as a religion is the gateway to heaven, but christianity as a way of life is. We will be well surprised to know also that some people who were not known here as christians may be found in heaven (just like the thief on the cross with Jesus who made a last minute decision for Christ) while the highly celebrated xtians here on earth would be missen. |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by brainpulse: 4:57pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
I dont believe my post can be hidden even when it has no word of hate and harm. Whao |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by informatix: 4:58pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
Thank you. Very Much. Disrespect for other Religion is a sign of lack of respect for your religion. |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by aryzgreat: 5:00pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
For those dat can muster the courage to read the below, pls do and get to know why some of ur muslim members commit terorist act. The brainwashing below materialised into 9/11 attack. happy reading FOLLOWING IS MOHAMED ATTA’S FINAL INSTRUCTIONS |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by brainpulse: 5:02pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
What i said was that we dont have a problem with you saying Jesus is not God but let always try to tolerate each other and not result in killing one another if there are issues of dissagrements. And you deleted the post. This is a display of highest hypocrite. |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by brainpulse: 5:03pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
brainpulse: I dont believe my post can be hidden even when it has no word of hate and harm. Whao What i said was that we dont have a problem with you saying Jesus is not God but let always try to tolerate each other and not result in killing one another if there are issues of dissagrements. And you deleted the post. This is a display of highest hypocrite. |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by makizee(m): 5:05pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
asemota2012: What efforts have you guys made to stop your members from destroying innocent souls and compelling other religions to convert to islam?What makes the "our members" that some misguided people refer to themselves as muslims does not make them so, sorry put yourself in mu shoes, how would u advice BH( cuz these are the guys am sure u were referring to) because even Imams in the North that have openly condemned their activities get Killed..even if these guys really read their Quran..one of the greatest sin is to kill another soul...I believe i speak for the generality of Muslims by saying BOKO HARAM MEMBERS ARE NOT MUSLIMS...Shikena |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by abbey621(m): 5:21pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
emmasege: If you are confused, stay confused but don't try to confuse others with your jargon. Your religion is based on words from a group of writers passed down and modified from generation to generation. The original Hebrew bible is so different from the modern English translated bible, unfortunately so has the true meaning of Christianity. Islam may be guilty of being overly aggressive and not being clear enough to people of other religion but Christianity is just as guilty of manipulation and propaganda. Imagine you claiming you listened to pastor Abraham and that shows proof that Christianity is the true religion, I find it hard not to laugh at your gullibility. Here is a fact that no Christian or Muslim can dispute, God works in mysterious ways, and no one is guaranteed heaven or hell, he alone decides that, so spare me the story and stop being slave to religious bigotry. |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by Yahoo1(m): 5:59pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
@Op very nice thread,for islams,but must xtian be mentioned b4 u get ur point down?...or u just want 2 start anoda war of words?.....anyway if all muslims are like you,the world wuld be a much better place. |
Re: When Someone Insults Islam: How To Behave by Nobody: 6:07pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
author=LagosShia Holy Quran 22:39-40 Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory.[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah ...". [q]in borno and yobe, were they (boko haram) ejected from their house that is why they have refused to stop killing, instead have ejected others. I tot they have closed any avenue for dialogue and went ahead to say all non muslim must "musilinta" else death![/q] HOLY QURAN 5:32:[/b] whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.[q]they are killing humanity and not saving, therefore before allah they are guilty[/q] HOLY QURAN 2:190: Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.[q]to this, was it not yaradua that started killing them first and not christians, but today christians are killed becos of the sin of late yaradua, hmm again, they are condemned by allah[/q] HOLY QURAN 7:55: (O mankind!) Call upon your Lord humbly and in secret. Lo! He loveth not aggressors. [q]boko haram are the aggressors, hence allah is against them[/q] HOLY QURAN 8:61: "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things)." [q]again they have refused peace, therefore they will end miserably cos allah is against them[/q] HOLY QURAN 5:2: " , and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah: for Allah is strict in punishment." [q]we are supposed to help each other against corruption and sin in the land, but they have killed christians therefore allah purnishment rest on them amin[/q] HOLY QURAN 41:34: "Nor can Goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!"[q]boko doesnt want to have christians as friends, thus they fail[/q] HOLY QURAN 4:135: "O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do." [q]its justice they are not fighting for but forcing which has an element of injustice[/q] HOLY QURAN 16:90 "God advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil, vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed." HOLY QURAN 16:126: "And if ye do punish them, punish them no worse than they punished you: but if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient." HOLY QURAN 21:107: "And we have not sent you but as a mercy for the world" |
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