enitan2002:

@ kobo,
there're some reports that just dont find their way to the media.
Do you know Ben Ali was bundled inside a car that took him to where his private jet was? When his he and his wife got inside the plane, he alighted saying he's ready to die in tunisia rather than running away, the state secret service chief with him at the airport warned him never to try that if he doenst want to get bundled to the aircraft. His wife leila shouted at his 'wasn't it your folly that got us to where we are now'

This among several reports that never find their way to the media. So, dont question where i got that from.

Do you ask where wikileaks get their cables from?

enitan you were correct in your claim that the US government had threatened to stop military aid to the egyptian army if Hosni Mubarak did not step down and Saudi Arabia promised to take it up if the US actually stopped, hence the defiance of Mubarak and the indirect jab at the US when he said he wont succumb to foriegn pressure during his speech at tahrir square which further inflamed Egyptians.
Anyone that has been following the way the US has responded to the Egyptian crisis, will notice the response was less clear, ranging from strong backing for Mubarak at first to a verbal shove toward the door.
In the 18 days it took massive demonstrations to force a once-immobile American ally, Hosni Mubarak to relinquish power, the Obama administration revised its message several times. Although their talking points solidified around non-violence, universal rights and orderly political change, the administration ’s initial response to the protests was muted.
First, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Vice President Joe Biden defended Mubarak; days later, Obama called for a democratic transition. Later on, top envoys suggested it would be least disruptive if Mubarak stayed while elections were planned, before the White House called again for a “prompt” changeover. The fact is that continuity in Egypt, a moderate Arab ally, was essential to protect U.S. interests in Israel’s security, the peace process and containing Iran’s ambitions.
According to a former NSC and state department official, Michele Dunne, who was among more than a dozen Egypt experts invited by the NSC to offer counsel during the crisis, Dunne said the State Department and Pentagon were under pressure from stalwart allies such as Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia not to throw Mubarak under the bus.
The U.S. doles out $1.5 billion in mostly military aid to Egypt annually, and while this has given successive administrations over the last three decades substantial influence with Egypt ’s military leadership, it didn’t translate into the power to order Mubarak to go. The leverage of that military aid may have become weaker once Saudi Arabia pledged to replace any decline in U.S. funding. Obviously the US ability to influence events in the Mideast has declined in recent years, particularly with diminished credibility in the aftermath of the Iraq war. Mubarak, in a clear reference to the U.S., said on Feb. 10 that he would not bow to foreign pressure. The inner politics of the egyptian military forced him out and it was made possible through behind the scenes concessions, agreements and diplomacy with foreign allies especially the US.

Hopefully the military council will turn things over and Egyptians can have a much deserved peaceful election and choose politicians that they want.

if na OBJ, he will go for his next term?

rhymz:

enitan you were correct in your claim that the US government had threatened to stop military aid to the egyptian army if Hosni Mubarak did not step down and Saudi Arabia promised to take it up if the US actually stopped, hence the defiance of Mubarak and the indirect jab at the US when he said he wont succumb to foriegn pressure during his speech at tahrir square which further inflamed Egyptians.
Anyone that has been following the way the US has responded to the Egyptian crisis, will notice the response was less clear, ranging from strong backing for Mubarak at first to a verbal shove toward the door.
In the 18 days it took massive demonstrations to force a once-immobile American ally, Hosni Mubarak to relinquish power, the Obama administration revised its message several times. Although their talking points solidified around non-violence, universal rights and orderly political change, the administration ’s initial response to the protests was muted.
First, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Vice President Joe Biden defended Mubarak; days later, Obama called for a democratic transition. Later on, top envoys suggested it would be least disruptive if Mubarak stayed while elections were planned, before the White House called again for a “prompt” changeover. The fact is that continuity in Egypt, a moderate Arab ally, was essential to protect U.S. interests in Israel’s security, the peace process and containing Iran’s ambitions.
According to a former NSC and state department official, Michele Dunne, who was among more than a dozen Egypt experts invited by the NSC to offer counsel during the crisis, Dunne said the State Department and Pentagon were under pressure from stalwart allies such as Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia not to throw Mubarak under the bus.
The U.S. doles out $1.5 billion in mostly military aid to Egypt annually, and while this has given successive administrations over the last three decades substantial influence with Egypt ’s military leadership, it didn’t translate into the power to order Mubarak to go. The leverage of that military aid may have become weaker once Saudi Arabia pledged to replace any decline in U.S. funding. Obviously the US ability to influence events in the Mideast has declined in recent years, particularly with diminished credibility in the aftermath of the Iraq war. Mubarak, in a clear reference to the U.S., said on Feb. 10 that he would not bow to foreign pressure. The inner politics of the egyptian military forced him out and it was made possible through behind the scenes concessions, agreements and diplomacy with foreign allies especially the US.

Thanks for that huge info. god bless you.

Kudos to the Egyptian youths and people who in the face of adversity proved to the entire world that an African country can adopt the principle of non violence and civil disobedience as initiated by Ghandi of india and made popular by martin luther kings to fight a noble cause of unseating a 30years dictator.

The 26years old young man who set himself ablaze in tunisia to spark off this revolution in the arab world should be made a martyr.
The big question now is, can we do the same here in nigeria if the need arises?

Whether he resigns or not,Mohammed Hosni Mubarak is an extremely fulfilled man.I doff my hat for him for his doggedness and his achievements.Having been born into a poor family,he struggled through the Egyptian military academy,before tranaferring to the the Egyptian Air Force.He has not only been friends with Israel for he actively participated in the planning and prosecution of the 1971 war against Israel.Four years later,he was appointed Vice president by then President Anwar Sadat
There's a time for every purpose under heaven;this is the time for Hosni to exit the Egyptian presidency;the circumstances not withstanding

Okay guys,it appears this thread is towing one line;the anti Mubarak-hang-him-don't-care-about-their-history line,I'll like to differ from the bandwagon and see it from this other perspective
It's mostly true what they say that a people deserve the kind of leaders they get.
That's why I don't buy the idea of all those villifying Mubarak for his style of leadership.This man witnessed koro koro,the assasination of his former boss,President Anwar Sadat on October 6 1981.Anwar it was who laid the foundation of the Egypt/Israel peace process in particular and the  camp David peace accord.But when on that fateful day,during the independence day parade,a soldier tossed two stun grenades at the platform where the president was seated,before two other soldiers in one of the trucks in the parade popped up to fire a hail of hot bullet at president Sadat(which eventually killed him),then vice president Hosni Mubarak was just lucky to have escaped as he was quickly hustled away to safety.
This it is believed,largely informed the reason for his style of leadership and the formation of a 20 thousand-strong elite army,for his personal protection.Moreso,as the reason the muslim terrorsists that killed Anwar gave(to wit;that he had betrayed the Arab world and Egypt) by recognising the state of Israel and embarking on peace processes with them,were to form the focal point of Mubarak's foreign policy.
The over two weeks the uprising lasted afforded Mubarak enough time to probably strike solid deals with the miltary hierachy that would ensure he is not hounded into exile,and who knows,may yet play a part(what with his massive wealth,goodwill and contact with the military who will midwife their transition to democracy,after all he's their benefactor and the reason for their personal wealth)in the forthcoming democratisation process.Little wonder he had the confidence to remain in the "city of peace" aka Sharm el-sheikh. 

So IMO,it's not been a lose lose scenario for Mohammed Hosni Mubarak

No one is ready to give kudos to the professional Egyptian soldiers who could have quashed the revolt right from day one

Finally. Abeg e don too tey

most of the people have only known mubarak as presdident. wow

Angelheart said:

I wish the Zimbabweans can learn from the Egyptians,  They staye din their country and fought on,  Mugabe should be next to go!

Sweetheart, kindly zip your trap because you don't know the FIRST THING about the Zimbabwe crisis.

Contrary to the garbage and propaganda fed you be the western media, Bob Mugabe is a HERO and PATRIOT of the first order, who recovered thousands of kilometres of stolen land and resources for his people. He is the exact OPPOSITE of Hosni Mubarak, who was there as a western stooge, stealing $70 billion from his people.

Thanks.

I'm a little worried for the Egyptian people. Does anyone here recognise this scenario?

1. African leader overstays welcome
2. Said African leader is deposed by military
3. There is rejoicing in the streets
4. New military leadership promises elections
5. ,

Let's pause there for now. But am I the only one who feels he's seen this all before?

Now Zibby, you're baddddd, I mean you've got something up there, didn't even spot this on my radar

Quote by enitan2002
the parliament has been dissolved, na for NTA you dey watch the news?

Who dissolved the paliament? This is not about where you get your news, the fact is geting the right info and if you follow the day-by-day situation in Egypt you will know. Going by your comment, i think you are not getting your info from the right source (you may be getting it from a third or forth hand source, dem say dem say ).
Now, For your info, Mubarak did not dissolve the paliament it was the military immediately the power was handed over to them. I was just trying to say that Mubarak had the opportunity to go by the constitution by handing over to the paliament and not the miliatary but might have his reason because the paliament was made mainly of the ruling party which he belonged to.

From frying pan 2 fire. This mubarak wicked oo. Why handover 2 Military. Suffering begins

2011.
Egypt's new military rulers dissolved
parliament and suspended the
constitution but said they would govern
only until elections to replace ousted
president Hosni Mubarak, possibly in six
months.
Troops, some wielding sticks, earlier took
control of Tahrir (Liberation) Square, the
fulcrum of the 18 days of protests that
swept Mubarak from power on Friday. It
let traffic flow through central Cairo as
the army struggled to return life to
normal.
The Higher Military Council, which took
over after a revolt that changed modern
Egyptian history and ended Mubarak's
30-year rule, promised a referendum on
constitutional amendments in this key
American ally in the Middle East.
The initial response from opposition
figures and protest leaders was largely
positive. "Victory, victory," chanted pro-
democracy activists in Tahrir Square.
"It is a victory for the revolution," said
Ayman Nour, who challenged Mubarak
for the presidency in 2005 and was later
jailed. "I think this will satisfy the
protesters." A military statement read:
"The higher council of the armed forces
will manage the affairs of the country for
a temporary period of six months or until
the end of elections to the upper and
lower houses of parliament, and
presidential elections."
It gave no timetable for what will be a
complex process. But setting an initial
period of military rule at six months
seemed to be an early indication of the
generals' thinking on timing. No other
body seems able to run the country
before elections.
Egypt's constitution was written with
built-in guarantees to keep Mubarak in
power, elections were rigged in favor of
his ruling party and opposition groups
such as the Muslim Brotherhood were
sometimes harassed, sometimes
tolerated.
As the momentous events in Egypt
continued to ripple across the region,
demonstrators in Yemen, inspired by
protests in Tunisia and Egypt, clashed
with police blocking them from marching
on Ali Abdullah Saleh's presidential
palace.
Egypt's government now reports to the
military as it did to Mubarak. The former
air force commander was despised by
many for ruling like a pharaoh, though he
was once a hero for his role in the 1973
war with Israel and who steadied Egypt
after the 1981 assassination of his
predecessor Anwar Sadat.
Protest organizers were forming a
Council of Trustees to defend the
revolution and urge swift reform from a
military intent on restoring law and order
during the transition.
Any sign the army is reneging on its
promises of democracy and civilian rule
could reignite mass protests on the
street.
Uncertainty remains over how much
influence the military will seek to exert in
reshaping a corrupt and oppressive ruling
system which it has propped up for six
decades.
People argued heatedly in Tahrir Square
over whether to comply with army orders
to leave. "The people want the square
cleared," some chanted. "We will not
leave!" countered others.
Police officers, emboldened by Mubarak's
downfall, gathered outside the Interior
Ministry to demand higher pay. Warning
shots were fired in the air. No one was
hurt.
Workers from the health and culture
ministries staged demonstrations as
Egyptians began venting pent-up
frustrations.
Egypt declared Monday a bank holiday
after workers disrupted operations at the
country's main state banks.
The military is expected on Monday to
ban meetings by labor unions or
professional syndicates, effectively
forbidding strikes, and to tell all Egyptians
to get back to work.
There will also be a warning from the
military against those who create "chaos
and disorder," an army source said,
adding the army would, however,
acknowledge the right to protest. The
cabinet met and, for the first time, the
portrait of Mubarak did not gaze over its
proceedings as Egyptians quietly
removed once ubiquitous images of the
82-year-old former leader.
Protesters have demanded the release of
political prisoners, the lifting of a state of
emergency, the abolition of military
courts, fair elections and a swift
handover to civilian rule.
The army has said it would lift emergency
law, used to stifle dissent under Mubarak,
when "current circumstances end." But it
has not specified a timetable.
Despite Mubarak's resignation, some
protesters have said they plan to stay in
Tahrir Square to ensure the military
keeps its promises on transition. They
have urged Egyptians to turn out in their
millions for a "victory march" on Friday.
The military's strategy has been to calm
the nation and the world about its
intentions and, in the short term, to try to
enforce the law after the disgraced police
melted away, having failed to crush
protesters with teargas and batons.
On Saturday, the army said it would
uphold Egypt's international obligations.
These include a peace treaty with Israel,
whose defense minister has been in
touch with his Egyptian counterpart, who
heads the military council.
How to handle policing has become a
pressing issue.
Interior Minister Mahmoud Wagdy has
said Egypt needs "the speedy return of
the police to duty," saying 13,000
inmates who escaped from prison early in
the uprising were still on the run.
Some traffic police were back on Cairo
streets beside soldiers and tanks
guarding intersections and key buildings.
But the minister said only one police
officer in three was working.
Apparently seeking to reassure Egyptians
that everything was under control, Prime
Minister Ahmed Shafiq said government
affairs were being presented to the
Higher Military Council, "as they were
presented to the president of the
republic."
Shafiq was appointed by Mubarak when
he sacked his former cabinet on January
29 in a vain effort to quell the uprising.
His remarks were likely to anger
Egyptians hoping Mubarak's ruling
system would be dismantled immediately
in the new era.
Shafiq said he believed Mubarak was in
the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh,
and that the cabinet had not made any
request to freeze the deposed president's
assets abroad.
A British minister said there should be an
international approach to dealing with
Mubarak's overseas assets.
As more detail emerged about the tumult,
a top Egyptologist said that treasures
missing from the world-renowned
Egyptian Museum on Tahrir Square
included a statue of King Tutankhamun.
The military was clear in its instructions
for Tahrir.
"We do not want any protesters to sit in
the square after today," Mohamed
Ibrahim Moustafa Ali, head of military
police, said as soldiers removed
protesters' tents from the square.
People chanted "peacefully, peacefully"
as soldiers and military police in red
berets moved in to disperse them.
Scuffles broke out and some soldiers
lashed out with sticks. Protesters said
soldiers detained about 50 people.
The most committed protesters vowed to
remain.
Jihad Laban, an accountant, said much
work remained to make sure the
revolution did not squander what it had
gained.
"The goal was never just to get rid of
Mubarak. The system is totally corrupt
and we won't go until we see some real
reforms. I am going to be buried in Tahrir. I
am here for my children. Egypt is too
precious to walk away now."
Mohamed ElBaradei, a retired UN
diplomat who has been put forward as a
reformist spokesman, urged the army to
bring in civilians to take part in the
transitional process:
"We need heavy participation by the
civilians," he told CNN. "It cannot be the
army running the show."

koastar:


Who dissolved the paliament? This is not about where you get your news, the fact is geting the right info and if you follow the day-by-day situation in Egypt you will know. Going by your comment, i think you are not getting your info from the right source (you may be getting it from a third or forth hand source, dem say dem say ).
Now, For your info, Mubarak did not dissolve the paliament it was the military immediately the power was handed over to them. I was just trying to say that Mubarak had the opportunity to go by the constitution by handing over to the paliament and not the miliatary but might have his reason because the paliament was made mainly of the ruling party which he belonged to.

You might want to find yourself reliable news sources then. Parliament was dissolved, I believe the very day Mubarak Stepped down. Not certain why you still do not know this.

Kobojunkie:

You might want to find yourself reliable news sources then. Parliament was dissolved, I believe the very day Mubarak Stepped down. Not certain why you still do not know this.

It seems you didn't read my post or you find it difficult to understand English. This is my post again and please read carefully

koastar:

Who dissolved the paliament? This is not about where you get your news, the fact is geting the right info and if you follow the day-by-day situation in Egypt you will know. Going by your comment, i think you are not getting your info from the right source (you may be getting it from a third or forth hand source, dem say dem say ).
Now, For your info, Mubarak did not dissolve the paliament it was the military immediately the power was handed over to them. I was just trying to say that Mubarak had the opportunity to go by the constitution by handing over to the paliament and not the miliatary but might have his reason because the paliament was made mainly of the ruling party which he belonged to.

koastar:

It seems you didn't read my post or you find it difficult to understand English. This is my post again and please read carefully

My Apologies . . . my eyes need sharpening there!

koastar:

It seems you didn't read my post or you find it difficult to understand English. This is my post again and please read carefully

LOL. . .you just had to be so cold on her. . Forgive the lady, she is increasingly becoming senile by the day.

Kobojunkie:

My Apologies . . . my eyes need sharpening there!

Apologies accepted my lady

rhymz:

LOL. . .you just had to be so cold on her. . Forgive the lady, she is increasingly becoming senile by the day.

it about time, is it his birth right?

WISEONE247:

it about time, is it his birth right?

engineerd:

nigeria is next, rise up my people and fight against the corrupt politicians, i am behind you my fellow nigerians, watching from afar!

from afar? nooo, come and join.