Katsumoto:

I disagree and I suspect many in odua and Niger State will as well. The reasoning behind your plan is not dissimilar to the reasons why some wanted Nigeria at all costs even when it was obvious that it was going to be an uphill task. I suspect people in Niger State will be offended by that reason.

PhysicsMHD:

@ ekt bear,


Nupes are 100% Northerners. Gwari too.

ekt_bear:

^-- And what if said "stranger" offers a true federation, with local autonomy?

That way, nobody is ruling anyone else?

That seems preferable (at least to me) to what would likely be being ruled by an entirely different ethnic group (Hausa-Fulani).

I wish there were some Nupe posters here so I could get a sense of how they think. But I wonder about this assumption that your typical Nupe man views the Hausa-Fulani as his "brother."

PhysicsMHD:

How would a true federation with local autonomy offer any advantage to the Yorubas such that they would make the proposal in the first place?

From the way you were talking about using their land in the future, I think you might have a different conception of autonomy than the standard meaning of the word.

Justcash:

OH! Now you guys are willing to leave? I laugh in Ozalanistan lingua. I thought it was one Nigeria or nothing?
That aside, all those flags that you guys produced all look like JUJU version of red cross symbol. You guys can do better, can't you?  

ndu_chucks:

When you people are able to convince GEJ to convene a national conference, you'll be taken seriously. The only way to secede is through war which you people will lose woefully. How can you manage/win a war against the warriors of the North and the adequate soldiers from the SS and SE? If I were you, I'd spend time designing roads than a flag which has zero chance of flying in Nigeria for the next 50 - 100 years.

O[b]dudu[/b]wa republic ko, O[b]funfun[/b]wa republic ni.  

ekt_bear:

Freedom of movement and less constraints on investment I think are useful. Even in the short term. . . acquiring big swathes of farmland is sort of hard to do at least in my state within the SW. But as big and unpopulated as Niger State is, it would be very easy. And in the long term, just as it happened in the US, some of that farmland might end up as population centers (especially if road/transportation networks improve.)

I think that there are substantial advantages for both sides.
Well, towns/cities can be founded without violating autonomy, right? If some guy decides to build a housing estate on some farmland he bought in Niger State, and eventually this turns into a town/city, does this violate autonomy?

EzeUche_:

PhysicsMHD you are needed in this thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-660233.0.html#bot

PhysicsMHD:

Why?

PhysicsMHD:

1. The pattern of settlement among Yorubas in the post-Oyo era is highly urbanized. In what way is their movement less "free" in an only Yoruba country when they're going to be concentrated around specific areas, rather than spread out? I don't really get this point.

2. What investment advantages does having more land offer?

3. How could Yorubas acquire big swathes of farmland in another group's land?

4. I thought you said "I'm not trying to colonize Niger State" in your discussion with Katsumoto. But what you're describing here, isn't it basically just that?

The main concern is avoiding a situation like the old Port Harcourt, where an educationally and economically superior group moves in with wealth, goals, ambition, and technical skill from the hinterland, and without even planning to, reduces formerly sovereign groups to tenants on their own land, with backing from the government. I don't think you have factored in the differences between Nupes and Yorubas in your scenario.

ekt_bear:

I don't think that necessarily has to be the case going forward. There were historical reasons for urbanization in Yorubaland. And it doesn't even hold in all of Yorubaland. . . the Yoruba hinterland areas (like Ekiti State) aren't very urban.


Anyway, with good transportation networks, I don't see why the previous patterns of migration must go forward.

Err, tons. Farming is just one of them, like I said.

Buy it? Or lease it?

Is the free trade and relatively open border between the US and Canada colonization?   Is the EU France and Germany colonizing the rest of Europe?

I'm not trying to steal away Nupe land, like the Igbos did to the Ijaw. I think that there could be a mutually beneficial relationship here.

Furthermore, the advantages for Niger State in this scenario are substantial. . .  after all, Yorubaland is probably 2X or 3X as rich (per capita) as Nupeland is right now. Not to mention access to the sea, investment opportunities, etc.

Anyway, even if you view this still as colonization. . . which group would one prefer to be colonized by? The poor, landlocked Hausa? Or your wealthier neighbors to the south, who actually stand a decent chance of building a pretty decent country?

ndu_chucks:

When you people are able to convince GEJ to convene a national conference, you'll be taken seriously. The only way to secede is through war which you people will lose woefully. How can you manage/win a war against the warriors of the North and the adequate soldiers from the SS and SE? If I were you, I'd spend time designing roads than a flag which has zero chance of flying in Nigeria for the next 50 - 100 years.

O[b]dudu[/b]wa republic ko, O[b]funfun[/b]wa republic ni.  

Katsumoto:

No one discussed how the new nation(s) will be achieved; so what is the point of stating that it can only be achieved through war. In any case, the SW is silly enough to engage in war against ALL the other regions. Nigeria is not do-or-die; if a majority of people in a majority of regions want disintegration, your unnecessary and totally uncalled-for chest beating will not sway anyone. If my history is right, the 'WARRIORS' from the North got thier asses handed to them at Osogbo in 1840. It might have been a long time ago but that is still the most relevant score.

tpia@:

that coat of arms doesnt look yoruba in any way.

btw i need to design mine.

i like kate windsor's own- very nice one.

Justcash:

This is the first time I am hearing you speaking in support or seeing the possibility of dis-integration. Does it have something to do with the changing political order in Nigeria?

Katsumoto:

It is impossible to know for certain without having read all my posts; if you want to know for certain, then go through my posts. What is the changing political order in Nigeria? The change that I am happy about is that the following are no longer relevant in the SW - Bankole, OBJ and daughter, Akala, OGD, Oyinlola, Bode George, etc.

It is only the unprepared that are caught unawares by change; whether Nigeria disintegrates or not, the smart man has a plan and a contingency one as well.