Ibime:


Yeah because Drogba, Cech and Cole are better than MSN who score 120+ goals in a season..

In summary, nobody in football has won with more inferior players than Lampard.

When others are winning with Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Kroos, Xavi, Bale, one fool will be saying Lampard can't win anything without Cech, 34 year old Drogba and 32 year old Cole. Kai, God will not like this level of dishonesty oh.

The CL final won Drogba or Cech should be the MOTM
If not for those 2 where will Lampard be?

raumdeuter:


The CL final won Drogba or Cech should be the MOTM
If not for those 2 where will Lampard be?

Ask who assisted them in the semi to get there.

If Drogba had not got sent off in 2008 final making John Terry to take the last penalty, who would have been the MOTM? It's just payback for wasting Lampards 2008 efforts.

raumdeuter:


No Lampard was already in Chelsea before Roman, I go still dey lecture you on top your club matter?

Yh just Confirmed that. But still the logic still hold for all them anyways.

raumdeuter:


Iniesta won the treble in 2015 without Xavi

Ronaldo won the CL without Ramos and Modric

Ronaldo won the Euro 2016 without any of those Modric Ramos Vandersar

Diggz you need blood tonic

Are you competing for the position of the dvmbest poster on NL?

Tell me If iniesta was the only one on the field of play game in game out? So he won the treble without Messi,saurez or Neymar or busquet or macherano etc?

Ronaldo won it from the bench abi? So we Shud discard the contribution of queresma,nani n co?

U are phooling Ursef dayo.....

Ibime:
Ask who assisted them in the semi to get there.
If Drogba had not got sent off in 2008 final making John Terry to take the last penalty, who would have been the MOTM? It's just payback for wasting Lampards 2008 efforts.

If if if. When it came to the only final Chelsea won it was Cech and Drogba who delivered. Lampard as usual was just there and no Terry no ruin things as usual

diggz:
Are you competing for the position of the dvmbest poster on NL?
Tell me If iniesta was the only one on the field of play game in game out? So he won the treble without Messi,saurez or Neymar or busquet or macherano etc?
Ronaldo won it from the bench abi? So we Shud discard the contribution of queresma,nani n co?

U are phooling Ursef dayo.....

This is extremely silly,
You asked what Iniesta won without Xavi I gave you
You asked what Ronaldo won without Modric and Ramos I told you CL 2008

I have been trying to take it easy with you But instead of coming with something reasonable you have been yarning opaks

Everyone knows there are main actors and some who just fill up the squad. If Arsenal wins the league this season will Alexis contribution be equal to Oxlade Chamberlain, If Liverpool wins this season will Mane contribution be the same as Origi or Emre Can

Ibime:


Yeah because Drogba, Cech and Cole are better than MSN who score 120+ goals in a season..

In summary, nobody in football has won with more inferior players than Lampard.

When others are winning with Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Kroos, Xavi, Bale, one fool will be saying Lampard can't win anything without Cech, 34 year old Drogba and 32 year old Cole. Kai, God will not like this level of dishonesty oh.

All this Chelsea fans... Keep deceiving yourselves. When it comes to actual ratings like best midfielder, iniesta beats lampard hands down. Iniesta is still recognized as the best midfielder in the world even at his age...

randomperson:

All this Chelsea fans... Keep deceiving yourselves. When it comes to actual ratings like best midfielder, iniesta beats lampard hands down. Iniesta is still recognized as the best midfielder in the world even at his age...

Yes.. ..by catalunya daily

randomperson:

All this Chelsea fans... Keep deceiving yourselves. When it comes to actual ratings like best midfielder, iniesta beats lampard hands down. Iniesta is still recognized as the best midfielder in the world even at his age...

Best midfielder in the world that makes no goals, no assists and only 50 passes per game. Yeah right. Best midfielder in the world yet his club has been renamed Messi FC cos it's clear he has no influence and no expectations are placed on him. He is just there for the ride like the carryalong he has always been.


Modric who was Lampards boy has been shïtting all over him in Laliga and all neutral observers say Modric has been far better. Mind you Modric is Lampards junior in EPL oh.


This is the grace and favour of playing for a mega team with superstars that help you get to finals and win things so you can be in the conversation for awards. It is a grace that Iniesta has played under all his career. Modric who is no different a player than he was at Spurs is now living under the same grace.

itsnt it just this season?,or they are saying matic has more pass ratio than iniesta in their careers?

Godstraight:
itsnt it just this season?,or they are saying matic has more pass ratio than iniesta in their careers?

Iniestas pass ratio his whole career is nothing exceptional. He is mostly in the 60s. The top midfield dominators like Xavi were in the 100 range.

CONTEDDICTED:

Yes.. ..by catalunya daily

try FIFA and uefa

Ibime:


Iniestas pass ratio his whole career is nothing exceptional. He is mostly in the 60s. The top midfield dominators like Xavi were in the 100 range.

you are confusing me,does matic have a better pass ratio than iniesta in just this season or their entire career?,iniesta has had many successful seasons in his career enough to make him a legend, but I want to if matic passes better than him,that is constantly being peddled here are true is that

Ibime:


Best midfielder in the world that makes no goals, no assists and only 50 passes per game. Yeah right. Best midfielder in the world yet his club has been renamed Messi FC cos it's clear he has no influence and no expectations are placed on him. He is just there for the ride like the carryalong he has always been.


Modric who was Lampards boy has been shïtting all over him in Laliga and all neutral observers say Modric has been far better. Mind you Modric is Lampards junior in EPL oh.


This is the grace and favour of playing for a mega team with superstars that help you get to finals and win things so you can be in the conversation for awards. It is a grace that Iniesta has played under all his career. Modric who is no different a player than he was at Spurs is now living under the same grace.

Where all this neutral observers dey ? And since when.
Modric that was said to be the worst signing in Madrid is who the neutrals now sing his praise.(Luka is a fine player nothing against the man)

Ibime:


You mean real midfield work like working hard, covering the most km per game in the EPL for 10 years in a row?

Even at the age of 34, he was still Chelseas hardest running player.

http://www.byfarthegreatestteam.com/posts/stats-chelseas-lampard-runs-the-most-and-stokes-crouch-hits-the-target/

You mean real midfield work like doing dirty work to help his midfield defend at Camp Nou and Allianz Arena in 2012 at the age of 34 knowing that the Chelsea team was vastly inferior to Barca and Bayern. . . .while others claim to be old by 32 years old.

You mean real midfield work like carrying Joe Cole, Kalou, Malouda, Anelka to trophies and deep into tournaments and being the Messi of his team while other midfielders wait for Messi to carry them along?

You mean real midfield work like 200 career assists?

You mean real midfield work like more Chelsea assists than Iniestas goals+assists for Spain and Barca combined.

We won't even talk about the 303 career goals since that is not real midfield work according to you. Maybe scoring less goals than Goalkeepers and defenders is real midfield work.

We know who does real midfield work in Barca, and his name is Xavi. The other one is a carryalong eunuch who scores no goals, makes no assists, cannot work hard defensively, and makes less passes per game than Nemanja Matic.

100000 likes

but I will advise u to stay far from up barka goats before the infect u with their foolish reasoning

Godstraight:
you are confusing me,does matic have a better pass ratio than iniesta in just this season or their entire career?,iniesta has had many successful seasons in his career enough to make him a legend, but I want to if matic passes better than him,that is constantly being peddled here are true is that

Matic passes better than Iniesta this season.

Iniestas career passing is just above average.

Google is your friend. Use it.

SIRcumalot:

Where all this neutral observers dey ? And since when.
Modric that was said to be the worst signing in Madrid is who the neutrals now sing his praise.(Luka is a fine player nothing against the man)

Nobody watching Laliga the last 2 years puts Iniesta above Modric.

Ibime:


Nobody watching Laliga the last 2 years puts Iniesta above Modric.

Speak for yourself mehn.
If anything it is neck and neck before this down year for Iniesta.

SIRcumalot:

Speak for yourself mehn.
If anything it is neck and neck before this down year for Iniesta.

OK it was neck and neck last year, and now Modric shyt on him this year. So to repeat, show me who rate Iniesta over Modric the last 2 years.

Mind you this is Lampards boy season in, season out in EPL.

Ibime:


OK it was neck and neck last year, and now Modric shyt on him this year. So to repeat, show me who rate Iniesta over Modric the last 2 years.

Mind you this is Lampards boy season in, season out in EPL.

If it counts for anything,I did.
Surely you can see the irony in rating Modric who plays for spurs over Lampard who plays for Chelsea.

SIRcumalot:

If it counts for anything,I did.
Surely you can see the irony in rating Modric who plays for spurs over Lampard who plays for Chelsea.

The gap between Spurs and Chelsea is smaller than the gap between Chelsea and Barcelona.

Matic ko matric ni

we are talking about animals that have horn snail to dey form boss...

And what brings modric into this,all in the aim to undermine iniesta
how has he fared well than iniesta since joining Madrid,i'm not understanding

Even at 32 iniesta is still the best midfielder in the world, forget all those no goals,no assists bullshiit,
how many career goals did modric have??,zidane?? pirlo etc


it is obvious the ONLY barca matches you people watch are the el clasico and the UCL,if not you would have known how barca suffered like Egyptians without moses when he was out injured for about two months,
barca were utterly unconvincing then,even with the mighty MSN

.....

Ibime:


Best midfielder in the world that makes no goals, no assists and only 50 passes per game. Yeah right. Best midfielder in the world yet his club has been renamed Messi FC cos it's clear he has no influence and no expectations are placed on him. He is just there for the ride like the carryalong he has always been.


Modric who was Lampards boy has been shïtting all over him in Laliga and all neutral observers say Modric has been far better. Mind you Modric is Lampards junior in EPL oh.


This is the grace and favour of playing for a mega team with superstars that help you get to finals and win things so you can be in the conversation for awards. It is a grace that Iniesta has played under all his career. Modric who is no different a player than he was at Spurs is now living under the same grace.

You can cry all you want but people whose opinions actually count have repeatedly chosen iniesta as the best midfielder of his time.
Iniesta is a better passer, better dribbler than lampard. He has better positioning, better decision making and better tactical intelligence. He's not like lampard who exposes his defense by always bursting into the box. He uses brain to play.
If we visit iniesta's and lampard's medals room, the difference will be clear. Iniesta has won significantly more than lampard in both team and individual trophies.
Iniesta has consistently performed at the highest stages where lampard has failed. The Euros for example, and the world cup. Iniesta made the best eleven of the world cup and won Best player at the euros. Best player, not best midfielder...
What is lampard's highest achievement?

Upnepaa:

Even at 32 iniesta is still the best midfielder in the world, forget all those no goals,no assists bullshiit,
how many career goals did modric have??,zidane?? pirlo etc

All far more than Iniesta who is supposed to be the most attacking midfielder at Barca.

Upnepaa:

it is obvious the ONLY barca matches you people watch are the el clasico and the UCL,if not you would have known how barca suffered like Egyptians without moses when he was out injured for about two months,
barca were utterly unconvincing then,even with the mighty MSN

And I'm sure he was very convincing against PSG on his return.

Ibime:


The gap between Spurs and Chelsea is smaller than the gap between Chelsea and Barcelona.

Yeaaaah right.
If a spurs fan repeat the argument you use to knock down Iniesta now,I wonder wetin you go talk.

randomperson:

You can cry all you want but people whose opinions actually count have repeatedly chosen iniesta as the best midfielder of his time.
Iniesta is a better passer, better dribbler than lampard. He has better positioning, better decision making and better tactical intelligence. He's not like lampard who exposes his defense by always bursting into the box. He uses brain to play.
If we visit iniesta's and lampard's medals room, the difference will be clear. Iniesta has won significantly more than lampard in both team and individual trophies.
Iniesta has consistently performed at the highest stages where lampard has failed. The Euros for example, and the world cup. Iniesta made the best eleven of the world cup and won Best player at the euros. Best player, not best midfielder...
What is lampard's highest achievement?

All team efforts.

Bring Iniesta to come and play with Joe Cole, Malouda and Kalou, lets see whether he would not relegate Chelsea instead of driving them to achievements like Lampard.

This is the reason I highlighted Modric who is better than Iniesta and who is getting all the plaudits now that he has teammates capable of taking him to the Zenith of football. Modric could not take Spurs to promised land, is it Iniesta that would?

There is a difference between being the Messi of your team and being carried by the MSNs of your team. Lampard has made so many differences in big games that Iniesta cannot smell. The difference is that Iniesta only needs to make one contribution and his team would win 3-1 due to the efforts of others. Lampard can score two goals and his team would not advance to the next round because there is no Ronaldo/Messi/Suarez/Neymar to add to his efforts.

Iniesta is simply a carryalong. While Lampard contributes 30-40% of his teams goals and assists to won games, Iniesta only contributes 3%.

There is a difference between carrying your team to overachievement, and overachieving because your team carries you.

Iniesta cannot lift Malouda and co to anything more than Modric could lift Spurs. And Modric is better than Iniesta.

Ibime:


All team efforts.

Bring Iniesta to come and play with Joe Cole, Malouda and Kalou, lets see whether he would not relegate Chelsea instead of driving them to achievements like Lampard.

This is the reason I highlighted Modric who is better than Iniesta and who is getting all the plaudits now that he has teammates capable of taking him to the Zenith of football. Modric could not take Spurs to promised land, is it Iniesta that would?

There is a difference between being the Messi of your team and being carried by the MSNs of your team. Lampard has made so many differences in big games that Iniesta cannot smell. The difference is that Iniesta only needs to make one contribution and his team would win 3-1 due to the efforts of others. Lampard can score two goals and his team would not advance to the next round because there is no Ronaldo/Messi/Suarez/Neymar to add to his efforts.

Iniesta is simply a carryalong. While Lampard contributes 30-40% of his teams goals and assists to won games, Iniesta only contributes 3%.

There is a difference between carrying your team to overachievement, and overachieving because your team carries you.

Iniesta cannot lift Malouda and co to anything more than Modric could lift Spurs. And Modric is better than Iniesta.

False.
Don't get too carried away.

SIRcumalot:

Yeaaaah right.
If a spurs fan repeat the argument you use to knock down Iniesta now,I wonder wetin you go talk.

You dont believe Spurs is closer to Chelsea than Chelsea is to Barca?

For one why not compare goals scored in a season by Spurs. Spurs roughly score 70 goals per season, Chelsea score about 90, and Barcelona score 170.

The gap from Chelsea to Barcelona is immense. In the last 13 years, Barca have probably 10 players that have made top 5 Ballon D'or numerous times. Chelsea only have one, and that was Lampard.

If Spurs gives you 75% power to compete against your contemporary from Chelsea, then Chelsea only gives you 50% power to compete against your contemporary from Barca.

Some Spurs players have outshone their Chelsea contemporaries in the past. Gareth Bale conquered the whole Premier league from there. Scott Parker was voted best player in England from there. Berbatov got nominated for Fifpro from there. But Modric was never mentioned as Lampards mate from there.

SIRcumalot:

False.
Don't get too carried away.

This is the education we provide. According to your definition, big game might only be finals. I posted here gifs of 7 goals and assists Lampard has made against Barcelona alone in UCL. Is that not big game?

Meanwhile all Iniesta needed to do to get to final was score 1 goal against Chelsea and you will say he is performing in big game.

Lampard 7 contributions against Barca but without the additional efforts of team mates to help him get to final, you will claim he has not contributed.

Iniesta 1 contribution against Chelsea and he is in final because others were there to help him get there. You will claim he has contributed.

Iniesta should come and play with Joe Cole, Malouda and Kalou, lets see whether he will make it past 2nd round in any tournament.

Same with Spain. 3 tournaments were won and Iniesta is remembered for being in the right place at right time against Holland. Tell me how he would get there with ZERO assists in knockout stage at any of those tournaments.

This is how he got there from Xavi winning games to get him there:

2008 final vs Germany Xavi assist, 2012 final vs Italy, 2 Xavi assists, WC semi vs Germany 1-0, Xavi assist, Paraguay 2nd round, 1-0 Xavi assist, QF vs Portugal 1-0 Xavi assist.

Show me one from Iniesta.

So to repeat myself, Lampard has made so many differences in big games that Iniesta cannot smell.

Lampards big-game-only goals and assists is more than Iniestas whole career total.

The same reason Modric big game performances is being noticed now is that he has the right support cast to put him in the big games. It is the same Modric who is Lampards boy in EPL. Lampard never had the support cast of Iniesta but still took his team places, obviously not the same places as a team like Barca.

Started war again.

it means just this season then why are folks here shouting that matic has a better passing ratio?,like it is a comparative study of their careers
Because lokaku has scored more goals in EPL this season than aguero does it make a better scorer that kun in the EPL?@ibime

Ibime:


You dont believe Spurs is closer to Chelsea than Chelsea is to Barca?

For one why not compare goals scored in a season by Spurs. Spurs roughly score 70 goals per season, Chelsea score about 90, and Barcelona score 170.

The gap from Chelsea to Barcelona is immense. In the last 13 years, Barca have probably 10 players that have made top 5 Ballon D'or numerous times. Chelsea only have one, and that was Lampard.

If Spurs gives you 75% power to compete against your contemporary from Chelsea, then Chelsea only gives you 50% power to compete against your contemporary from Barca.

Some Spurs players have outshone their Chelsea contemporaries in the past. Gareth Bale conquered the whole Premier league from there. Scott Parker was voted best player in England from there. Berbatov got nominated for Fifpro from there. But Modric was never mentioned as Lampards mate from there.

Why should goals scored be allowed when we are comparing two different leagues ?
The only reason why spurs may seem close is the distance between una
Money and the achievement that comes with it is all that we should judge by. Spurs can't hope to touch you on both those issues there have been times nobody in the league can match your spending is it the penny pinching spurs that is close ?
The only reason why spurs may seem close is the distance between una.
The same way some LA liga player don shine pass most of Barcelona except maybe for the Goat doesn't prove anything.
If you can put team achievement aside to see Lampard is a better player than Modric,you can maybe Try the same for Iniesta.