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Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 11:40am On Jun 05, 2011 |
Sit down with any group of nigerians outside nigeria and soon they start telling you how well nigerians they know are doing and how smart we are as a people and how we have tricked foolish oyinbo magas out of millions of dollars. then you get to their favourite part how dominant we are in africa;GIANT. everyone watches our movies and listens to our music, how much we are ahead of ghanaians and black south africans etc. but what really is the reality. In my view the smartest groups in the diaspora are jews chinese and indians by any measure and there appears to be an inverse relationship with success and the noise they make. In IT, science arts etc most notable achievements by migrant groups are from those groups mentioned above. any trifling achievement by a nigerian when not eventually discredited as fraudulent,is blown out of all rational proportion and accompanied by the usual "he is yoruba,he is igbo" polemic. what is the reality? we are a nation in decline; ACADEMICS Most people under the age of 40 in Nigeria have gone to school in a culture where it is normal to cheat and now nigerians with 150million troop to ghanaian universities and instead of being grateful to them we say they are not smart. On balance foreigners take more out of Nigeria than nigerians bring in from their fraud,drugs ashewo and legitimate businesses combined. BUSINESS so smart are we that we import petrol and kerosine. Even in crime Nigerians are notable because they tend to get caught more often(evidence of foolishness in my book) while the real players rake in the serious money. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 11:43am On Jun 05, 2011 |
nigerians are so smart and each year we burn enough gas(BY FLARING) to solve all out electricity generation problems |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 11:46am On Jun 05, 2011 |
we are so smart and we need lebanese to run the restaurants at our airports |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 11:48am On Jun 05, 2011 |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 11:53am On Jun 05, 2011 |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 11:55am On Jun 05, 2011 |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by ikeyman00(m): 12:32pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
@@@@@@@@@@ nevermind not the nigerians u should say; rather the great IGBO are smart thanks for observation |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 1:37pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
yes andy uba and his brother chris,arthur nzeribe all brilliant chaps |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Gbawe: 2:29pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
aribisala0: Does a Nigerian not own Gatwick Airport? Is this how you plan to make this thread an intellectualy stimulating one? I.e using highly subjective examples , IMO, aimed at denigrating Nigerians and Nigeria rather than using fair analogy that encourages stimulating and educative discussion? Must the Lebanese not run any business in Nigeria now ? What if the Lebanese proprietor won the concession legitimately? Do you know how 'connected' the Lebanese proprietor is? You would have a point if , rather than one measly example, it is the Lebanese who own Mr.Biggs, Tantaliser, Tasty fried Chicken, Chicken Republic and the other restaurant chains in Nigeria only hardwork , and not connection, secures. Do you know what obtains in Ghana and in other African Countries? In Ghana for example the main restaurant chains are Frankies, Chicken republic, Mr. Biggs and Papaye. Please go and find out if any of the above are Ghanaian owned and come back to talk. I am not into putting anyone down but I resent those who deliberately want to put Nigerians down just to make others look good. Yes , there are bragadocious Nigerians with a superiority complex but many Nigerians are confident[b] yet gracious[/b]. Your topic is interesting if presented with objectivity and without palpable bias against Nigerians. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Kobojunkie: 2:34pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
Gatwick is owned by GIP Global Infrastructure Partners (GIP) is an infrastructure owning company, a private equity fund led by Credit Suisse and General Electric.[1] Current assets include a 75% stake in London City Airport, Biffa Limited, a UK based waste management company and Gatwick Airport after recently acquiring it from BAA Limited for £1.51bn.[2] Gatwick Airport is notable for being London's second largest international airport and second busiest in the United Kingdom after Heathrow. In 2008, it was the world's 28th-busiest airport in terms of passenger numbers[3] and 9th busiest in terms of international passengers.[4] The company has its operational headquarters in Stamford, Connecticut.[5] In addition the company has offices in Hong Kong, London, and New York City.[6] |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 2:50pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
no a nigerian does NOT own gatwick airport. however if a nigerian did it would not change anything my point is that nigerians may be smart but no where near as smart as we like to boast we are and certainly no where near in achievement compared to other groups who make very little noise to us. so i am concerned with the mismatch between the noise and substance particularly in comparison to groups like indians,jews,chinese. regarding lebanese running restaurants or being allowed to . how many nigerians are running restaurants in lebanon? most countries do not allow foreigners to come and do jobs or run businesses that their people can do. so they encourage only those who have special/unique knowledge/hi-tech skills to offer. we do not need to import lebanese to come to nigeria to sell jollof rice to us and then repatriate the profits. we are a poor country at any rate i gave more than one example. regarding intellectual stimulation are you not being pretentious?on nairaland? why would i be biassed against nigeria. i am sorry but you have nothing to contribute and clearly did not comprehend what i wrote |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Wizardofoz: 2:55pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
Gbawe: [size=18pt]ROFLMAO[/size] This may come as a shock to you: But Gatwick is not owned by a Nigerian. Maybe you should just stick to sucking Tinubu's pooosie. Exactly what the OP is talking about! Ediots thinking they are smart! |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Kobojunkie: 2:55pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
aribisala0:True Not that I am in agreement/disagreement with your other assertions |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Gbawe: 3:03pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
Kobojunkie: So jumping in to correct what you[b] assume[/b] is wrong, while failing to discuss every other point or even the thread topic, is all you can contribute? Some of you just like to oppose others enduringly without recourse to objectivity . You only know how to enduringly try to find fault with what others write and never to engage them in honest discussion . Me and you have our history keep up your efforts at focusing on 'tripping me up' instead of trying to discuss issues objectively. My point with Ogunlesi buying Gatwick is that Britons are not sitting around condemning themselves because a Nigerian won the bid to buy Gatwick. As far as his group manages Gatwick well, then so be it. That is the progressive mentality , assisted by adequate, regulation, that ensures everything works well in developed Nations. Genuinely objective and intellectually stimulation debate , bereft of bias and ulterior motives, is becoming harder to come by on Nairaland. Please dont bother with more pedantism about Ogunlesi only being the managing Partner of GIP because if you do your homework you will find out he totally spearheaded the bid to buy Gatwick hence the reason he is credited with GIP's purchase. same as how Tidjane Thiam the boss of Prudential UK , another African son we are proud, singularly pushed for and succeeded in getting the Prudential to buy AIA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidjane_Thiam When originally recruited by Prudential, he had argued for buying out AIA, the Asian wing of the crisis-hit AIG.[1] After becoming chief executive, he again pushed for the deal - this time successfully. As a result of the takeover, he is expected to earn up to £5.2 million in 2010. This includes shares worth a potential £2.7 million under a rolling three year incentive scheme, on top of a £900,000 salary and annual bonus of up to £1.6 million.[6] http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6220276-adebayo-ogunlesi-nigerian-who-owns-london-gatwick-airportfirst-class-in-philosophy-politics-economics-oxford-university-uk-recipient-of-new-y Adebayo Ogunlesi Nigerian Who Owns London Gatwick Airport•First Class In Philosophy, Politics & Economics, Oxford University, UK •Recipient Of New York's Award Of Excellence |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Kobojunkie: 3:06pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
Again . . . . Gatwick is owned by GIP [size=13pt]Global Infrastructure Partners (GIP) is an infrastructure owning company, a private equity fund led by Credit Suisse and General Electric.[/size][1] Current assets include a 75% stake in London City Airport, Biffa Limited, a UK based waste management company and Gatwick Airport after recently acquiring it from BAA Limited for £1.51bn.[2] Gatwick Airport is notable for being London's second largest international airport and second busiest in the United Kingdom after Heathrow. In 2008, it was the world's 28th-busiest airport in terms of passenger numbers[3] and 9th busiest in terms of international passengers.[4] The company has its operational headquarters in Stamford, Connecticut.[5] In addition the company has offices in Hong Kong, London, and New York City.[6] Global Infrastructure Partners (“GIP”) represents a strategic alliance between Credit Suisse, General Electric Company and an experienced, independent senior management team with more than 150 years of cumulative experience advising on, structuring, financing, investing in and managing infrastructure assets in both developed and emerging market countries. GIP seeks to capitalize on the significant growing worldwide demand for investment in infrastructure assets and the inability of traditional financing sources to meet this demand. GIP targets investments in infrastructure and infrastructure-related assets within the energy, transportation and water/waste sectors. GIP generally targets control-oriented equity and equity-related investments (and selected investments in debt securities) in operating assets and securities of companies that own, control, operate, manage or support infrastructure and infrastructure-related operating assets. The GIP team seeks to maximize the value of acquired assets by drawing upon their extensive experience and skills, as well as leveraging the expertise of Credit Suisse and General Electric, to improve the operating and financial performance of these assets. https://www.credit-suisse.com/us/private_equity/en/global_infrastructure_partners.jsp |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Wizardofoz: 3:08pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
^^^ You are using an article written by another stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooopid Nigerian to support your point? He is just one person out of 8 partners. HE IS NOT THE HEAD! Why are you all so retarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrded http://www.global-infra.com/adebayo.html Gbawe: |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Gbawe: 3:09pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
Wizardofoz: Clearly another childish poster only interested in carrying bad-belle against others without inspecting what they are saying. Google Nigerian buys Gatwick. It is Ogunlesi's 'baby' completely even if he arranged it as GIP boss. As I said to kobojunkie "Genuinely objective and intellectually stimulation debate , bereft of bias and ulterior motives, is becoming harder to come by on Nairaland". |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Kobojunkie: 3:12pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
The dictionary is clear on what the word [b]OWN [/b]means. The post of mine was in response to a question asked. But yet again, another play at the "win the argument by throwing insults at the other side" game! |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 3:13pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
my point is not to denigrate nigerians but we need true self awareness of our real place in the world if we are to make any meaningful progress. this would entail honest self appraisal and stock taking. at the moment we produce very little that anyone wants to buy but we want to consume the best of nokia,samsungmeredes,versace,Falcon jets etc(the shiny pebbles of our times). here at my local Tesco supermarket you can buy ghanaian yams,plantain and tinned Tuna. why? because their not so smart government officials INSIST on quid pro quo concessions for even the smallest contracts. what did the smart nigerians negotiate? you can export maggi and guinness which we make in your country and will repatriate the profits back to europe |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Wizardofoz: 3:15pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
Gbawe: Bad bellee? Why? You are simply misinformed And Kobo is trying to correct you. I understand you live in Nigeria, where everything goes. But here, you cant get away with that! And No he is not the boss. He is ONE OF EIGHT partners. Do you know what they call partners in investment and Law? Educate yourself a bit before yarning dust! GIP’s[size=18pt] six founding partners are former senior executives of Credit Suisse and General Electric[/size] with deep global experience in its target infrastructure sectors, operations and finance. GIP is now led by eight partners, [size=18pt]including a general counsel.[/size] The partners are supported by a global team with relevant operating, financial and investment expertise and by several senior industry advisers. Ogunlesi is the general counsel in the group! Again, he is not the boss! |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 3:17pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
gbawe please do not be obtuse either the man owns the airport or he does not?? what do you mean by baby?? does he own the airport in its entirety 100% of even some part thereof .in the latter case how much? |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 3:18pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
lol |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 3:20pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
me too i follow for the people wey get zenith bank with my 80000 naira share |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Gbawe: 3:25pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
aribisala0: You see how you show your hand[b] more[/b], and your real direction, with the type of protectionist talk I hinted you were biased towards? What if Nigerians don't own Restaurants in Lebanon? Should that be a yard stick for anything? How many Nigerians do you know who have told you they want to set up Restaurants in Lebanon? Have you even factored the attitude, culture , eating habits, social predisposition and business set up laws of the Lebanese themselves into the equation? This may very well easily explain the one way traffic without necessarily maligning Nigerians of anything i.e on the ground peculiarities could simply make it possible for the Lebanese to own restaurants in Nigeria and not the other way round. Do Nigerians not own fairly successful restaurant in the USA , UK , Ghana and other Country with similar language, liberalness and affinity issues? If the Chinese can own Restaurants in Nigeria and the opposite does not happen the reasons are obvious and they do not include any argument that just seems to want to make Nigerians guilty of something by force. That why I said use genuinely objective examples and you will probably get some heavyweights in the thread. |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 3:37pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
protectionist talk ,?? it is either you are pretending or you are genuinely living in a bubble. you need more exposure . every nation protects their own. if you don't know this i am not going to waste my time. i paid good money for my education and won't give it away for free |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by ziga: 3:39pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
Gbawe: @Gbawe Objectivity seems to be a rare gift these days , and i have given up on all these "i know exactly how things operate with Nigerians" people! ROFLMAO!!! I have no problems with critics! I criticize when i have to, but criticizing just for the heck of it is just SICK. Whether a Nigerian owns Gatwick airport or not, your points were loud and clear. . . for those who have the ability . . . |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 3:40pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
pls gbawe i implore you if you are heayweight stay away from this thread . you have little to add that will enrich my knowledge |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Gbawe: 3:42pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
aribisala0: Have you noted I am the only one discussing issues, giving real examples and trying to get your to make the parameters fairer and more objective? Please note those who joined to correct others , while totally ignoring the topic, and others in jump in insult others alone. PIB owns Gatwick but Ogunlesi is credited with spearheading the initiative and drive to buy Gatwick hence the reason why many , including respected analysts, loosely say a Nigerian owns Gatwick . If I go back and change "owns" to purchase do you think some of those who contributed would be here? You don't know Nairaland . Some join threads just because they see that certain posters have contributed . They then fail to contribute to the main topic. All they do is shadow what others have written looking for faults or opportunities to spray invectives around. Eventually they derail the thread having not added a single constructive thing to the topic under discussion http://africanamericanempowerment..com/2010/06/black-gatwick-airport-owner-inspires.html Black Gatwick Airport owner inspires community |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Gbawe: 3:46pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
ziga: Thank you my brother !!! Anyway, I am out of this thread . Let Kobojunkie and wizardofoz contribute to the thread constructively while we read. When I am no longer in the thread no one can pretend as if a Nigerian owning Gatwick or not is the main topic of discussion. aribisala0: Stop being so sensitive and pugnacious. I do not mean myself. I am talking of posters who will contribute statistics, facts and intellectual balance that will make the thread interesting rather than those only interested in joining your thread to bicker and insult others while the ignore the topic of the thread . |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by ziga: 3:47pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
aribisala0: You sound just like the Nigerians you described in your earlier post!!! Nigerians and arrogance!!! shior! |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by aribisala0(m): 3:47pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
even if a nigerian owns heathrow,gatwick,stansted and jfk combined it i[b]s irrelevant[/b]. if you don't get that you get nothing. i will not try explaining that |
Re: Nigerians Think They Are Smart But Really: by Wizardofoz: 3:49pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
Gbawe: NO ediot/reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetard/Tinubu poosie sucker,See: Kobojunkie: Two different things! My Nigerian genius! I used to be like you, but thank God. Nuff said! Anyway, WRT him spearheading the initiatitive and drive for Gatwick acquisition: For starters, they only own 46% of it. Secondly, no one is giving him credit for the initiative except for Nigerians and Nigerian newspapers, which is expected, going by their well known dubious reputation for low quality journalism. He is the Charmian of the company, it doesnt mean he comes up with all the ideas. He gets press time because HE IS THE CHAIRMAN. Nothing more, nothing less. GE and some other companies own GIP, NOT OGUNLESI. Going by your Nigerian logic, Bill gate should be credited with every new innovation at Microsoft and Zuckerberg for every idea and innovation at Facebook and Steve Jobs for every new apps developed for the Iphone. ANd BTW, Steve jobs is one of the founding members of Apple, but guess what, he DOES NOT OWN APPLE. As a matter of fact, he was once fired from Apple. :::SMH::: |
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