Hashabiah:
Bros, you are just confused . The bible expressly says that man was made in the image and likeness of God. And it even refers to Adam as a son of God (Luke 3:38). Also in John , the bible tells us that To those that believed in His name(Jesus) , to them He gave the right to become the son of God (John1:12) . So by context, those who believe in Jesus Christ are sons of God or gods.

Secondly , the hebrew word for "gods" in Psalms is Elohim (plural for God) , while the Almighty God is called Eloha (God singular) . The Greek texts also say the same thing , in the sense that Jesus was telling His listeners that He was the supreme God, while they were the descendants of God (or gods ) . Even the Jews acknowledge this and said that their Father too was God (John8:41) . Or have you forgotten that the Jews were monotheistic ? So which other gods did they serve if not the one true God(Eloha ) ? And did they ever dispute the fact that they were gods(Elohim)?

AntiChristian:


Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods"’? John 10:34



It seems you are claiming ignorant of Hebrew language. YAHWEH is what is used in that Deuteronomy verse for Lord and is never used. for humans like Elohim, Theos, and their other derivatives which can be used for a VIP or Political authority.

This is why in your Bible only Yahweh is translated as LORD! Others are usually given Lord, God or god depnding on context and who is translating!



1a. Psalm 82:1 says, “ God (Elohim) presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods (Elohim) .”
Here gods are magistrates, judges, and other people who hold positions of authority and rule. Remember no Capital G or small g in Hebrew! Same Elohim is God and gods!

1b. Another example, when God sent Moses to Pharaoh, He said, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh” (Exodus 7:1). This simply means that Moses, as the messenger of God, was speaking God’s words and would therefore be God’s representative to the king. Was Moses a God too?

1c. The Hebrew word Elohim is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28.

2. My concept of God is entirely different from the Christian concept of God!

AntiChristian:


Chai see misinterpretation and confusion! Where is YAHWEH? Show me where Yahweh was ever used for Jesus?

Hashabiah:
Some who deny that Jesus is God make the claim that Jesus never said that He is God. It is correct that the Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” This does not mean, however, that Jesus never claimed to be God.


Take for example the words of Jesus in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.”

We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason

“You, a mere man, claim to be God (John 10:33, emphasis added). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity.

When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I AM!”

This is a reference back to Exodus 3:14 when God revealed Himself as the “I AM.” The Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

Even the book of John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity. See what it says : “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh" (John 1:1, 14).

These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.”
So who bought the church with His own blood? The answer is Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God.

Secondly Jesus did not need to pray , but because He wanted to show us an example, He did this. Take the death of Lazarus for example : when Jesus was about to raise Lazarus from the dead He said this prayer in the presence of the people :
And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me.” (John11:42)

From this verse, it is very clear that Jesus did not need to pray to God to ask for anything because God always heard Him, but for the sake of His disciples and His critics, He chose to pray, thus following the pattern to prove that He was sent from God. This was meant to be an example to us, not Him .

AntiChristian:


Where did Jesus ever say he is one out of trinity? The closest verse to this is from John 5:7 of the KJV which is not in almost all other translations!

It amazes me Jesus could forget to tell anyone plainly that he's God. Or even one in Trinity!

Originakalokalo:


We are asked by Jesus to baptized in the name of the Father, in the name of the Son and in the name of the Holy Spirit.....

The three are important in the salvation of mankind.

The father is more than the Son, greater than the Son.

The son is the image of the unseen Father. The image of an unseen God is God himself.

Many Christians failed in their explanations.

But this is it.

AntiChristian:


Jesus said he is god and when people misunderstood him he explained quoting from Psalm 82:6 (You are gods) also said his audience too are gods! Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods"’? John 10:34 So every one is a god!

So how many gods do we have? The same god Jesus is is the same god the Pharisees are!

Those gods are not God.

Hashabiah:
Confusion and misinterpretation as how ? Bros, I am a judaic-christian so I know what each and every name of God means . The word YHWH(or Jehovah ) means " THe I AM THAT I AM" . It is one of the many revered names of God just as you have Jehovah -Elyon Adonai. Secondly , Jesus was called the Everlasting Father and Prince of Peace from Isaiah 9:6. So why should I or rather we looking for another God again ?

AntiChristian:


Show me where Yahweh was ever used for Jesus? I have proved to you that other names for God can be used for others too!

Obelemy:


You should understand that their are "gods" and their is God Almighty, the creator of all things. Christians worship God Almighty through his Son, Jesus Christ.

But all Jesus, his apostles, and all the prophets in the bible have said about Him will have no meaning to you because of your unbelief and hardness of your heart.

Indeed all the secrets of God are in the Son and without the Son, no man can know the Father.

Only those who are born again will receive wisdom and understanding from God.

To unbelievers, the word of God is veiled-
2 Corinthians 4:3. In their case the god of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of Christ, who is the image of God- 2 Corinthians 4:4.

Hashabiah:
You have proven nothing . The Jews were and are still a monotheistic people , so how can you now say they substituted God to mean the names of other people ...?

Baba, try and make logical arguments that are in line with what those people believe in ! For your information, Jesus forgave sins and this was something that the Jews knew could only be done by God Himself . In fact , it was one of the reasons why they were trying to kill and stone Him. Please read John10:33. In fact read the whole chapter and get a clearer picture of who Jesus claimed He said He was

AntiChristian:


I only asked you to show me where Jesus said " I am God" or "worship me" to any of the people he healed, fed or met in your Bible.

All you are bringing up are obscurities and ambiguities!

AntiChristian:


Where did Jesus explain it like this?

Hashabiah:
Bros Jesus received worship from Thomas . And Thomas even went far as calling Him God. Now tell us, why Jesus did not stop him from doing such ? And if cannot , then you have no need to argue because you will only be contradicting what the bible has prescribed

AntiChristian:


I'm only asking where Jesus called himself God.

AntiChristian:


1. Did Jesus ever call himself God?

No!

2. So what did Thomas call Jesus?

A. YAHWEH

B. ELOHIM

C. THEOS

D. ADONAI

E. KYRIOS

3.And which of the above names can not be used for humans?

Hashabiah:
I agree that there is no written evidence of Jesus calling Himself God, but that does not mean He did not leave us hints on who He really was .

In fact, Jesus wanted people to identify whom He really was , and that is one of the reasons He constantly asked His disciples, " Who do men say I Am ? ". (Matthew16:15-16)

And so the answer can only be found in His sayings. These are sufficient to prove to us who He said He was, and except you want to tell us that Jesus was lying , then you will have to agree about what He said about Himself .

Secondly, Thomas was a monotheistic jew who worshipped the God of Israel, so what God would he be serving if not the God of the Hebrews/Jew? So to cut the long story short, whatever name Thomas called His God , that was the same name He gave to Jesus . Simple


Lastly , no Human in Jewish or Christian history has been called YAHWEH even till date . Now deal with this and let us have peace .

Obelemy:


And you have received answers and yet you do not believe. You do not believe nor understand so all the answers can't make sense to you.

Antichristian if you know the bible you would know that God is Christ and Christ is God.

AntiChristian:


Thank you. But try and answer the objective question above! Which Jewish name did Thomas call Jesus?

Rosement:
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

1 John 5 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

Hashabiah:
Bros ,I expected you would put up a stronger argument instead of using the translation to dodge the last post. So let us establish some facts here : Thomas was a Jew , so what name in Aramaic would a Jew or Hebrew would His own God? Now whatever that name is, automatically means the name of Jesus .

Please note that I said Aramaic not Greek , because the the first four gospels were written in Aramaic, not Greek

AntiChristian:


The first four Gospels were written in koine Greek not Aramaic!

Hashabiah:
They were originally in Aramaic oga. But was later translated to Greek for the sake of ministry. And even that does not the change the context or meaning attributed to the Hebrew word called God.

Please do you research before coming here .

Lastly hope you know that Jesus spoke Aramaic not Greek ...

AntiChristian:


Jesus spoke Aramaic which was still regarded as a form of Hebrew back then!
The texts of the four gospels were written in koine Greek!

https://www.quora.com/Were-the-gospels-originally-written-in-Ancient-Hebrew-Aramaic-or-Greek

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_the_New_Testament

Hashabiah:
Bros , I do not use Quora . I used verified sources like Wikipedia who count for the majority .

AntiChristian:


We are still searching...yet we never see!

AntiChristian:


Fine, so from what you circled majority of your scholars still say it was in koine Greek!

AntiChristian:


Fine, so from what you circled majority of your scholars still say it was in koine Greek!

AntiChristian:


We are still searching...yet we never see!