It's was the game plan all along

48 laws of power
Third law: conceal your intentions

tnerro1:
Smart move, NATO treaty says you must not attack first, if Ukraine attacks those regions, it will be seen as an attack on Russia and the Russians will gladly defend themselves into Ukraine with the justification that they were attacked first. NATO will just be looking like mumu and begging for peace to prevail. The Russians will not give up any lands they have taken in the process without negotiating for something better. Smart move Putin, sleepy joe is really sleeping on the bicycle

smart move

Russia will use as excuse to annex Ukraine

Putin na grand master for the game

He just playing the West.


And Ukraine fell into his trap

Hanibbal:


As in that Putin knows the game well well. He is very smart. Always outsmarting the West. He used the threat of invasion to distract them meanwhile those region trying to break away is what he had plans for. Sai Putin

You be man wey Sabi international politics and not the kids that litter this space who watch CNN and think they are current.
Western media and "experts" on CNN should be ashamed of themselves, they didn't see this coming, they were all focused on Russia invasion while Putin had this master stroke in his kitty, he is the real chess master

AmazonTopaz:


The next time you insult me I will report you.
It seems you have a problem with the media and CNN better fix it up you are the propagandist here trying to defend a dictator.

If you are smart give me cogent reasons why Putin thinks he is right to want to take over the sovereignty of Ukraine and former USSR states in 2022


You that is the propagandist in chief think that you are alright because everything is always a conspiracy to your type.

You are the one talking trash.

lol which sovereignty?
They're ethnic Russians, Ukraine have been shelling them since 2014 because those Russians support Russia against the Western puppet planted in power after the 2014 Western coup. Ukraine is officially divided between East and West, the East are ethnic Russians who are being attacked by Ukraine for demanding freedom.
The donbas people are Russians who want to either be be part of Russia or independent of Ukraine.

AmazonTopaz:

Please keep quiet since you don't know how diplomacy and foreign politics work first of all who and start a class on world politics.

You talk like as if Trump was any better when in fact he was a puppet being friends with dictators and abandoning allies.

I am not marking your word because it is irrelevant to the discussion

trump abandoned allies? how?

Stubborn person... Putin

Everyone forming expert on Russia issues

Putin solution could help solve the Nigeria nation mystery.

God bless you for this bro (NATO is a military alliance. It was created to counter USSR. Now there is no more USSR. Russia is not as powerful as the USSR. Why the continuous expansion? Which threat is NATO trying to counter? The enemy of a country on it's door step is a serious security concern.)

no more USSR, so Why the fk are they expanding?

olugabbie:


NATO/US are handicap as it stands. He has not invaded. They can't sanction Russia, because if they do. Russia will have nothing to loss if she invades eventually. They also can not use military means, because the situation can quickly change from Russia-Ukraine crisis to world war.

Russia is not interested in reviving the USSR. USSR is gone. All Putin wants is respect. If NATO halts it's expansion Russia will be automatically be at ease. The fear of being alone is what Russia is afraid. Imagine if all the countries in eastern Europe join NATO.

NATO is a military alliance. It was created to counter USSR. Now there is no more USSR. Russia is not as powerful as the USSR. Why the continuous expansion? Which threat is NATO trying to counter? The enemy of a country on it's door step is a serious security concern.

sslcrypt:


There is nothing smart there, it was always the plan from the onset, Ukraine have been at war for 8 years in the donbas region where militias recognized by Russia and back by via the Wagner group have been operating. It's the reason in the Minsk agreement all parties agreed to have a observing body to monitor things and ensure things didn't escalate. The invasion threat was to have new concessions from the Ukrainian people and government which was resisted due to EU backing. Assuming EU showed similar support to Georgia, south Ossetia wouldn't be a occupied region by russia. But the then president of Georgia fell for the staged invasion by attacking Russia militias that was advocating for autonomy, because of the minority speaking Russians. And also Russian forces that were conducting military drills at the North Ossetia region. Russian forces even advanced all the way to the capital tiblisi, the concession putin got was having that region as an autonomous region and government that is pro Russia till this day.
If you followed events Russian backed militias shelled the Ukraine controlled side of those region but the Ukrainian army never fired a shot because they knew firing back would be the pretext for Putin to launch a full scale all out attack on Ukraine. All NATO did was army the Ukrainian army and Ukrainians because they can't defend Ukraine because the law doesn't mandate them to, but it will make any invasion costly to Russia even though the country fell.

Putin used the same pretext for a region in moldova that is now autonomous and Russian controlled because of small Russian speaking population. I am from a NATO country of mixed north African heritage married to a Nigerian and currently residing in Nigeria, I have lived all my life in europe and worked across africa for more than 8 years. Believe me when I tell this is a win for us in europe, Russia is the most powerful country in europe and can overrun us all, the nuclear deterrence of France and UK is what is keeping them in check to a large extent and the presence of America is what is preventing them from having military ambition in Europe.
My country was a former Soviet state just imagine the population of Russian speakers around 24% percent, just imagine if we weren't in NATO how Putin would have used the same pretext to over us.
Europe is no different from Africa when it comes to tribes only difference is that every tribe are allowed to self determine their future, which is how many european countries were born. So support of Putin is no different than saying it's okay for the certain tribes in Nigeria to absorb other tribes and their region just because they are bigger or hold some powers. This is what Putin and Chinese vision is for the world, where the strong will absorb the weak and continue to expand and absorb. This is going back to dark ages of empires such ottoman, Prussia and British empire.

why has Russia not absorb Belarus, Poland, kazistan (the closest neighbor)


Why always Ukraine

In no distance time Putin will pay for his barbarism

kponkedenge:
Both Donetsk and Luhansk are majority speaking Russian regions inside of Ukraine, I wonder what will happen now.... considering the EU is against the move.

Next is Kharkiv.

olugabbie:


He is not stupid. He made demands and he will get them.

I just don't want a unipolar world. Unipolarism brings corruption. A world that has two, three or four masters rather than one is what we need.

The US has gone against the UN to invade several countries. She has used Military means to democratise several countries especially in the middle east. In her bid to democratise the Islamic states middle east has been ruined. If not for Russia, Syria would have been in the same state with Libya.

The US has killed some many people & destroy countries all in the name of democracy. Unipolarism can not work in our modern world. The earlier you know this, the better.

same here. i hate it when the US invade sovereign states in order to install a puppet democracy.

You right. anyone believing he is normal is deceiving himself. putin is a lunatic and is pained about the breakup of the ussr. his days are numbered. but you know what?he is just a coward like all other dictators. create chaos and escape. watch closely his body language ( shaky legs, uneasiness)

AmazonTopaz:


He is not smart you people should wake up it was never about NATO.

Putin wants the soviet union back and if he gets Ukraine he is coming for other former states of the USSR.

If the US and its allies don't respond swiftly and stop deceiving themselves about diplomacy Putin is going to invade sovereign nations because he does not believe in their right to exist that is dictatorship nobody should laud this

America wea runaway from Afghanistan,na him dem want fight Russia? R.I.P in advance

AmazonTopaz:


Putin will not stop at Ukraine you lots should stop deceiving yourselves.

He does not believe that former states of the USSR have a right to exist independently of Russia this is not okay and this is a threat to world peace.

But it's not a threat to world peace when the US invades or attacks other countries right? Is there any country that has invaded or attacked more independent nations than the US has done?

he recognises 2 breakaway regions that are unrecognisable worldwide how does that help them??

smallsmall:


You dont know what you are saying!
Everyone who is not ignorant like yourself, is not a headslammer.

Do I sound like someone who will drag himself in the mud with pigs?

edmaraja:

You nailed it, she's obviously one of those liberals being brainwashed by CNN

She was amongst those who parroted cnn’s trump bad and Biden good propaganda even here on nairaland. Biden came in and all shit hit the fan! Now cnn and their liberal masters are desperately looking for a Biden replacement while still attacking trump who isn’t in office any longer. Pay that moniker no heed.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:


trump abandoned allies? how?

He threatened to withhold funding for Ukraine and pull out of NATO, he pulled out of WHO and courted Russia over NATO

Caseless:


Amazontopaz sounds like of those brainwashed people who sees everything USA does in good light and you're seen to be good if USA says you are good.

You are then brainwashed one here

obailala:
Funny how western media propaganda has moulded the minds of most people to view the US and its allies as 'saints and saviours' whilst viewing Russia as villains. What is Russia doing today that isnt done daily by the US? Meanwhile the so called 'soveriegn' territory Russia is invading today, I thought those places were former Soviet territories which the US helped to breakaway not too long ago?

Oh please I an tired of hearing this crap I am an adult with a brain and I can decide for myself tell me how Russia in this context are the good guys and the West are the bad ones I will wait sinceyou are not the one who is blinded by propaganda

pegix:

Baby girl calm down and try to listen

No soviet country is coming back

Putin doesn't think so

revolt:
I'm curious to understand why you think the west should have Supreme influence with no one to challenge them ?

Did I tell you so? And why should I support Russia and China over the west anyway,what have they done for humanity in this modern time that I should pick them over the west?

AmazonTopaz:
It was never about NATO.

Putin wants the soviet union back.

Yes you are right.he is deeply sad about the collapse of soviet and has consistently blamed the west for it. Ukraine has deep cultural and social ties with Mother Russia.

useni1:
Yawn/ Rubbish repeated bullshit by defeated NATO and paper tiger America. If communism don't work why don't they allow it to fail under its merit? Instead it was bastard America running to Vietnam to stop it, it was vagabond America going to North Korea in the 50's to sabotage it. It was bastard America CIA maggot responsible for the death of Che Guevara and Thomas Sankara. Communism don't work but bastard America still placed an embargo on Cuba to fight something that is not working. Amerikkan has spent trillions to dollars fighting communism that doesn't work. You are the greatest donkey and if I see you tonight I will use sledge hammer to slam sense into your head.

Oh! So you have no answer? Never knew america was the cause of the fall of the Soviet union, never knew goberchev opening up the russian economy was americas doing, never knew china abandoning communism and implementing capitalist policies in a controlled mannner was Americas doing, never knew the fall of eastern germany was also americas doing, never knew cuba and Venezuela being on the bring of failure is americas doing. Even the most socialist states in europe (the nordics) all adopt a capitalism and not pure marxism, but hey capitalism is evil. Not one single success story of capitalism from even the great Russia and China but you keep spewing CRITICAL THEORY bs rooted in marxism! I guess its america that caused inflation in the Soviet union and Russia? Monopoly and stagnation in china? No growth / economic stall in cuba? And no economic diversity and hyper inflation in Venezuela?


Keep up the bs bro!

oluwaahmed:


[s]You are not intellectually sound enough to be engaged in this discussion. You are nothing but a dotted line in statistics of things for the west hence your opinion is as thin as air. Its because of this fact I neither hate the west nor love the east. However it must be stated that the west continue to plunder Africa by installing neocolonialist in power to help loot our resources?
Do you know that according to Transparency International, £1.3tn is the amount of corrupt funds currently stashed in the UK?
Do you also know that 7 French speaking west African states of Togo, Mali, Niger, Chad, Burkinafaso, Ivorycoast, Senegal, Guinea-Bissau do not have their own currency and individual central Bank? Their currency is CFA Franc(its even in the name for fúcks sake) and it's regional central Bank BCEAO stores their foreign reserves in  Banque de France? (So Y dafuq do you have a regional Central Bank that cannot store the member nations external reserves) are they truly independent if their foreign reserves are being stored in France? Do you know the mind blowing part? Immediately those countries came together in 2020 to announce their departure from CFA Franc to their own currency named ECO & removal of their external reserves from France central Bank to their own regional bank the next thing that happened is Coup d'etat. This is the reason for the many coups in francophone west African nations. Do you also know that Belgium killed 2 million Congolese just to mine rubber? Till this day Belgium and France take rubber from Congo & DRC in the name of Michelin & Continental tyres . How is Congo & DRC faring? Russia is not your problem[/s]

Please keep quiet and stop blaming the west for the woes of Africa if you were intellectually sound you would know that this is not the thread to be talking about the so-called atrocities of the west when there is an issue at hand.

Keep quiet and get lost better tell your continent to use their brains and stop blaming the west for everything.

ahmg001:


Yes you are right.he is deeply sad about the collapse of soviet and has consistently blamed the west for it. Ukraine has deep cultural and social ties with Mother Russia.

Gbam

vibre:

But it's not a threat to world peace when the US invades or attacks other countries right? Is there any country that has invaded or attacked more independent nations than the US has done?

Can you tell the country presently that America is invading?do you also care to give reasons for the American interventionist/invasion mentality of the past and if exactly the reasons were valid?

After that try to validate the reason for Russia to invade Ukrain if that makes any sense to you, you can always call out the west without having to take sides with Russia

Bestbeelieve:
You right. anyone believing he is normal is deceiving himself. putin is a lunatic and is pained about the breakup of the ussr. his days are numbered. but you know what?he is just a coward like all other dictators. create chaos and escape. watch closely his body language ( shaky legs, uneasiness)

You are right.