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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Cantonese: 6:37pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:

My evidence:
1) the pictures below
2) since you guys love to identify ethnicity with name similarity: the name of the grand father of the current Obi of Agbor is Gbenoba
3) Okowa (a politician) can make any political claim of ethnicity as he feels his political ambitions need, he speaks his opinion or his political interests, history is not based on opinions, it is based on evidence. If Okowa wants, he can even claim he is Hausa, who cares.

The pictures do not tell us how the Agbors are either Igbos or Binis.

Your words: “love to identify ethnicity with name similarity”. And you claim to be educated? Name similarity is a pointer to affiliation, if you do not know. If your name is Ahmed, there is a possibility that you are from the North, SW, Muslim SS or a Muslim at the worst.

Why are Agbors Binis? Why do they bear Igbo names? Where is the relationship in history? Where is the agreement/disagreement in history? Why do the Ika speaking people have Igbo words in their language?

Why are the Agbors and Ukwuanis, among the other people who make up Delta north, if they are not recognized as Igbo people? Okowa became the governor of Delta state because it was the turn of the Igbos of Delta state. All Agbor people jubilated.

Tell us the origin of the Agbor people. Tell us which language was originally spoken; which was lost and at which point? We all know about the present Obi, his father and his grand father.

Educated person tell us about migration. Where did the Agbor people migrate from? How did they get to their present location?

If you cannot, then please simply ask those who know to inform you.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by gidgiddy: 6:37pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:

1)Look you don't give orders !
2) if you want me to answer your question then first answer mine.

Well since the King of Agbors name, Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi, means nothing in Edo language, but had complete meaning in Igbo language, it is safe to say that the king has lost his Edo roots, if he ever had one

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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 6:38pm On Dec 31, 2022
DMerciful:
Yes some but not all of us. I'm too exposed to hold unto tribal nonsense. Life expectancy is too short to be holding unto that besides if you consider the size of Earth in the universe and considering the whole of humanity is in the pale blue dot, we have no reason to be fighting. I'm not even in Nigeria and to see how people from different countries live happily together here while my country people keep hating on one another is pitiable
How is asserting ones identity " tribal nonsense "
Besides you are tribal champion so do not be a hypocrite
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 6:42pm On Dec 31, 2022
gidgiddy:


Well since the King of Agbors name, Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi, means nothing in Edo language, but had complete meaning in Igbo language, it is safe to say that the king has lost his Edo roots, if he ever had one

Not necessarily
Many Ibos bear Hygienus.Romanus eff proves nothing.
Almost everyone speaks Hausa in the North
Many bear Ibrahim. Mohammed etc
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by DMerciful(m): 6:45pm On Dec 31, 2022
The reason I get angry with you guys is because of your lack of equity. I'm a strong believer of equity and I know a just and peaceful society must be based on equity.

In real life, i treat everybody thesame whther from my place or not.
omonnakoda:
How is asserting ones identity " tribal nonsense "
Besides you are tribal champion so do not be a hypocrite
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 6:49pm On Dec 31, 2022
DMerciful:
The reason I get angry with you guys is because of your lack of equity. I'm a strong believer of equity and I know a just and peaceful society must be based on equity.

In real life, i treat everybody thesame whther from my place or not.
Who are
YOU GUYS?
YOU are a hypocrite.
What are you talking about? Equity?You are not making sense
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by DMerciful(m): 6:55pm On Dec 31, 2022
Why do you think the major ethnic groups in Nigeria are having so much friction? Its lack of equity, some groups feel they have the advantage of getting more than their fair share. Ofcourse, you can't have peace and harmony in situations where some groups wanna cheat others.

I'm far from being an hypocrite
omonnakoda:
Who are
YOU GUYS?
YOU are a hypocrite.
What are you talking about? Equity?You are not making sense
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 6:57pm On Dec 31, 2022
DMerciful:
Why do you think the major ethnic groups in Nigeria are having so much friction? Its lack of equity, some groups feel they have the advantage of getting more than their fair share. Ofcourse, you can't have peace and harmony in situations where some groups wanna cheat others.

I'm far from being an hypocrite
You need to be clear what you 're talking about. It does not make sense to me
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 6:59pm On Dec 31, 2022
These "Igbo" guys are playing a very strange game, I was banned and immediately, these Igbo guys started responding to me. If I were a betting man, I would say they had me banned.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:00pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:

Oh so you think I was born yesterday? You want to play this silly game ? Ok
1) how do you know that Uku Akpolokpolo has no meaning in Igbo ?
2) isn't Uku part of the name ikechukwu ?
3) I guess you have suddenly abandoned the word Ukwu/Uku just to win an argument. Answer both questions above.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:01pm On Dec 31, 2022
This is tiresome, these "Igbo" guys just ignore logic and evidence if it doesn't go their way. It seems I need to repeat my earlier comments since these guys pretend those comments do not exist.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:02pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:

1) Basically you guys in the southeast have written propaganda to make the good people of Agbor believe they are Igbo and you call that your propaganda "history"
2) Now that everybody knows what "fake news" is, I bet everybody also knows what "fake history" is. And what you want people to consider history is an Igbo written revisionist work of political propaganda.
3) you can't tell a story which took place one thousand years ago in our region, because we didn't have a written language.
4) Agbor people have told you already, they are not Igbo ! Stop harassing them !
5) I bet you don't know who the people on the pictures below are.
6) stop telling people their history when you don't even know yours. I will tell you: the British combined a bunch of seperate tribes of canibals in order to make it easier to rule over them, those tribes are the people we call Igbo today and who think they are just one tribe.
Again Ika are not Igbo.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:02pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:

My evidence:
1) the pictures below
2) since you guys love to identify ethnicity with name similarity: the name of the grand father of the current Obi of Agbor is Gbenoba
3) Okowa (a politician) can make any political claim of ethnicity as he feels his political ambitions need, he speaks his opinion or his political interests, history is not based on opinions, it is based on evidence. If Okowa wants, he can even claim he is Hausa, who cares.

Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by DMerciful(m): 7:03pm On Dec 31, 2022
Happy new yr in advance. We must agree that Nigeria is not working for most Nigerians and we should be patriotic enough to vote wisely in 2023!
omonnakoda:
You need to be clear what you 're talking about. It does not make sense to me
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 7:05pm On Dec 31, 2022
DMerciful:
Happy new yr in advance. We must agree that Nigeria is not working for most Nigerians and we should be patriotic enough to vote wisely in 2023!
yes it is not working but you need to clarify the previous point
Don't chicken out
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:09pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:
Also the Oba of Benin in 1915 answered the name "Eweka" which many have likened to "Emeka".
Your have no argument.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:09pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:

Why do you keep denying your canibal ancestry identity ?
If you are so desperate for land then try your luck with English speaking Cameroonians whom are actually close to you in terms of history and somewhat ethnicity.

How I hate when someone comes from an other place and just believes he knows you better than you know yourself! He puts the label of his so called tribe upon you as if you were his slave and he wants you to take it and shvt up. Southeasterners are just crazy. Even your tribe was created by the British from a bunch of cannibal tribes who lived in a small piece of land.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:12pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:
Benin city was the capital of Benin empire and the nobles of Benin empire all had immediate family in Benin city. All empires do that, the centre collects immediate family members of the reigning monarch and that generally includes the next monarch. In a precolonial book, it is mentioned that some Europeans who were in an adventure in West Africa sought the support of the Oba of Benin who then ordered an Obi in his court to protect the Europeans and take some soldiers with him.

What I am saying is that the people of Benin city are the common denominator of the entire Benin empire, wherever you are in Benin empire, people of the same ancestry as yourself are in Benin city and being referred to as "Bini". This is why Benin city is home to all the different people of Benin empire. You are all Edo.

Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by DMerciful(m): 7:12pm On Dec 31, 2022
Which point? The Igbos and Yorubas are the people holding Nigeria down due to their continuous fight for tribal supremacy but an unbiased observer will put more blame on the Yorubas. Yorubas already did 8yrs presidency and 8yrs vice presidency...its equitable to say since its coming to South, it should go to SE. That kind of gesture would bring cooperation among them which ultimately benefits Nigeria.

I have always said in my signature that only the cooperation of Igbos and Yorubas can move Nigeria forward
omonnakoda:
yes it is not working but you need to clarify the previous point
Don't chicken out
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:26pm On Dec 31, 2022
gidgiddy:

Well since the King of Agbors name, Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi, means nothing in Edo language, but had complete meaning in Igbo language, it is safe to say that the king has lost his Edo roots, if he ever had one
1) since when are you a specialist in Edo ?

Again !
2) the name of the Grand father of the current Obi of Agbor from whom the current Obi of Agbor's father inherited the throne and passed it on to him is Gbenoba, an unmistakable Edo name. And his picture below shows him in his Benin regalia in 1935.
3) you have denied that Uku has meaning in Igbo while at the same time claiming the Ikechukwu has meaning in Igbo, you are not being consistent.
4) Issele Uku dukedom of Benin kingdom is Ika and it has th name Uku on it, the same as that of the Oba.

You are a very dishonest person, you are lying in order to "win" an argument, you don't reall care about the truth.

5) the name of the Oba of Benin in 1915 was Eweka which is the same as Emeka (yet I bet you guys claim Emeka is an Igbo name)

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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 7:29pm On Dec 31, 2022
DMerciful:
Which point? The Igbos and Yorubas are the people holding Nigeria down due to their continuous fight for tribal supremacy but an unbiased observer will put more blame on the Yorubas. Yorubas already did 8yrs presidency and 8yrs vice presidency...its equitable to say since its coming to South, it should go to SE. That kind of gesture would bring cooperation among them which ultimately benefits Nigeria.

I have always said in my signature that only the cooperation of Igbos and Yorubas can move Nigeria forward
Let me genuinely remove you from what I will say next
No insult to you.
But what you said is extremely stupid. What has that got to do with Agbor
First you want to pretend Nigeria started in 1999.It did not
The history of Igbo attitude to Yoruba in the first republic is well documented.There is no need reopening wounds
So because Obasanjo has been president once Igbo must be once? It cannot rotate 1:1
There is not a statistical basis to talk of inequity after just one presidency
There have been 3 elected president s from the North all Fulani.non Hausa or Kanuri they are united
The ibos really need to look at their attitude .This notion Yoruba have it once we must have it once only makes sense to Ibos.
It was not gifted to Yoruba they worked toward it .Abiola won and did so even though Ibos voted
No matter what You say Yoruba are not equals of Ibo in Size so stop unnecessary rock measuring


You complain about quota system in education but want it in politics
Is that not hypocrisy
Presidential system is not right for Nigeria and under such a system Ibo cannot be president You do not have the numbers or alliances
What you need to do is obvious but you are too arrogant
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:35pm On Dec 31, 2022
I don't believe an Igbo or a Yoruba should be president, you guys act as if you were the only ones present in the south. Also Fulani always claiming presidency for the north is no excuse for Yoruba monopolising presidency in the south, it may pain some Yoruba to hear this but, you didn't conquer anybody, the fulani conquered a huge chunk of the north, not all but a big part.
If anything, I would like to see an Anioma president, and I will welcome that as I welcomed the nomination of general Irabor. Guess why ! Because I am Edo and they are my brothers.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by DMerciful(m): 7:37pm On Dec 31, 2022
Like i said, in a situation where one group think they have the advantage of getting more than their fair share, there will always be friction and retrogression.

You allude that Nigeria did not start in 1999, which shows that you're not ready for peace but wanna continue the old ways. I have said that the worst thing that happened to Igbos and Yorubas is bringing Biafra back into Nigeria. They would have moved on as separate countries by now

Agbor is Igbo whether we like it or not and whatever prejudices Igbos face, Ika people are lumped into those prejudices
omonnakoda:

Let me genuinely remove you from what I will say next
No insult to you.
But what you said is extremely stupid. What has that got to do with Agbor
First you want to pretend Nigeria started in 1999.It did not
The history of Igbo attitude to Yoruba in the first republic is well documented.There is no need reopening wounds
So because Obasanjo has been president once Igbo must be once? It cannot rotate 1:1
There is not a statistical basis to talk of inequity after just one presidency
There have been 3 elected president s from the North all Fulani.non Hausa or Kanuri they are united
The ibos really need to look at their attitude .This notion Yoruba have it once we must have it once only makes sense to Ibos.
It was not gifted to Yoruba they worked toward it .Abiola won and did so even though Ibos voted


You complain about quota system in education but want it in politics
Is that not hypocrisy
Presidential system is not right for Nigeria and under such a system Job cannot be president
What you need to do is obvious but you are too arrogant
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:41pm On Dec 31, 2022
DMerciful:


Agbor is Igbo whether we like it or not and whatever prejudices Igbos face, Ika people are lumped into those prejudices
Agbor is definitely not Igbo, whether you like it or not.
By the way, wasntyit your own people who complained that buhari nominated no Igbo in security positions eventhough he had nominated General Irabor ?

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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 7:42pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon822:
I don't believe an Igbo or a Yoruba should be president, you guys act as if you were the only ones present in the south. Also Fulani always claiming presidency for the north is no excuse for Yoruba monopolising presidency in the south, it may pain some Yoruba to hear this but, you didn't conquer anybody, the fulani conquered a huge chunk of the north, not all but a big part.
If anything, I would like to see an anioma president.
How old are You?

ONLY ONE man Obasanjo has been Yoruba president
He did not win his ward
The military was his constituency and his boys put him there against Yoruba wish
To talk on that evidence,,..... of Yoruba monopoly is wrong.
The Yoruba do not need presidency Obasanjo brought no benefit
What we want is to govern our space. That is how it was with Awolowo and that is what we want going forward

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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by DMerciful(m): 7:43pm On Dec 31, 2022
When they start killing Igbos in the North, you as an Agbor man, dont run! They'll treat you in the language you'll understand grin
Ghostwon822:
Agbor is definitely not Igbo, whether you like it or not.
By the way, wasntyit your own people who complained that buhari nominated no Igbo in security positions eventhough he had nominated General Irabor ?
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 7:46pm On Dec 31, 2022
DMerciful:
Like i said, in a situation where one group think they have the advantage of getting more than their fair share, there will always be friction and retrogression.

You allude that Nigeria did not start in 1999, which shows that you're not ready for peace but wanna continue the old ways. I have said that the worst thing that happened to Igbos and Yorubas is bringing Biafra back into Nigeria. They would have moved on as separate countries by now

Agbor is Igbo whether we like it or not and whatever prejudices Igbos face, Ika people are lumped into those prejudices
what is fair?
How is that defined 1:1rotation of presidency?
So we need quota system?
Should that apply to importation and commerce,education or just the president?
Do ibos have more than a fair share of electronic and spare parts business?
Ibos cannot threaten anyone about peace. If you want presidency you must humble yourselves which is an impossibility we all know. All these threats will not work
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:48pm On Dec 31, 2022
Cantonese:


Your words: “love to identify ethnicity with name similarity”. And you claim to be educated? Name similarity is a pointer to affiliation, if you do not know. If your name is Ahmed, there is a possibility that you are from the North, SW, Muslim SS or a Muslim at the worst.
What I find annoying is when some uneducated people like yourself think they can teach actually educated people how to be educated. Your statement here makes no sense. What exactly were you trying to refute or to prove ? What does religion have to do with ethnicity ? What does this have to do with my comment ?
I am starting to believe you may be mentally ill.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 7:50pm On Dec 31, 2022
DMerciful:
When they start killing Igbos in the North, you as an Agbor man, dont run! They'll treat you in the language you'll understand grin
Actually in the north they can't distinguish between southerners. There goes your argument.
Also your fear mongering is noted.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by DMerciful(m): 7:51pm On Dec 31, 2022
You're not ready for peace. I want peace and I have taken a path to peace. Continue in your tribal supremacy contest
omonnakoda:
what is fair?
How is that defined 1:1rotation of presidency?
So we need quota system?
Should that apply to importation and commerce,education or just the president?
Do ibos have more than a fair share of electronic and spare parts business?
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Starcrest1: 7:52pm On Dec 31, 2022
Parachoko:
Keep on deceiving yourself.

I doubt you have ever met an Ika man before. No Ika man will claim to be Igbo.

Your opinion does not matter because you are not an Ika man. You can just talk, that's where it ends.

So why is Okowa claiming Igbo if they are not confused?

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