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Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by shotster50(m): 3:05am On Aug 18, 2011 |
@ Pleep and co I am not advocating for any of the isms, but if I were given the choice, communism is definitely not possible in Nigeria, unless of course there is a major revolution to wipe the elite. Someone is asking for Nigeria to stop copying the west, What better solution do you proffer then? Capitalism has failed Nigeria, and so will your beloved communism if it were to be adopted , The idea of wealth equalisation as far as Nigeria is concerned, is simply stuff dreams are made of. You and I know that baring miracle i wont happen. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by kodewrita(m): 7:47am On Aug 18, 2011 |
shotster50:we are simply having a theoretical discussion. Communism will definitely never take root here. pleep: Recessions are part of the cycle. Its a result of an imperfect market and not to be feared. It is the natural cycle. Communism itself is artificial in trying to artificially fix prices instead of allowing demand to control the price itself. pleep: I would rather we ensure equality in other areas education, medical care, power etc and leave the wealth issue. Each man deserves the fruit of his labor and we should not reward laziness. Making everyone equal will result in everyone being equally miserable. period. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by pleep(m): 1:49pm On Aug 18, 2011 |
kodewrita:haha, thats what they said in Russia. No, reccesions are just nature trying to correct itself. I would rather we ensure equality in other areas education, medical care, power etc and leave the wealth issue. Each man deserves the fruit of his labor and we should not reward laziness. Making everyone equal will result in everyone being equally miserable. period.I see you gave an indirect answer. You guys need to stop lying to yourself. Nigeria's economy is not based on anything inventive, ingenuitive or w/e The richest people in the country are usually also the dumbest. And by hording all the wealth they prevent money from reaching the poor inventive people who could use that money to build bussinesses and make employment which would create a nice mixed capitalist/communist economy. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by kodewrita(m): 3:03pm On Aug 18, 2011 |
pleep: And see where it got them. 3rd world country with nuclear weapons and their males dying of vodka. pleep:And there are no such corrections in communism. why do you think they survived starvation in russia in the 70s? simple by allowing the workers keep a little more of what they produced . Even the Politburo realised that they couldnt possibly expect communism to succeed. Wars only prolonged the inevitable and the mighty USSR crashed over bread protests. pleep:So communism with its "rules from the top" approach is going to make nigerians inventive pleep: Its easier to believe that than to accept that these are a set of natively intelligent individuals who use their understanding of human relations and the inner workings of power to devastating effect to enrich themselves. pleep:Money is not a finite resource and its value is only realised when given out. Create something they have to pay for and you'll get the money. simple. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by pleep(m): 5:43pm On Aug 18, 2011 |
So communism with its "rules from the top" approach is going to make nigerians inventiveno, im just saying that nigerian economy is not based on inventiveness, just drilling oil and selling it, ill explain how this is because of international capitalsim later. Its easier to believe that than to accept that these are a set of natively intelligent individuals who use their understanding of human relations and the inner workings of power to devastating effect to enrich themselves.what kind of person do you think i am? I am a entruapenure to the core, wealth redistrubution would not help me in anyway. Im just looking for things that will help Nigeria progress, That is my main concern. And i said earlier the kind of communism i'm talking about is not the sort that stifles creativity and tries to put everyone on the same level. Think more China, or Cuba and less N. Korea and Russia. Money is not a finite resource and its value is only realised when given out. Create something they have to pay for and you'll get the money. simple.What are you trying to say here? that the poor people just need to figure out a way to make the rich people pay them? 2 things wrong with this. 1. you cant make real money through employment, and most Africans cant save enough money from their jobs to start a real business that takes money the rich. This because they have to pay for food etc. 2. There aren't enough jobs in Nigeria, jobs are created by a middle class, who can make small businesses etc, and Nigeria barely has one. just extremely wealthy people and extremely poor people. and through our capitalism system the poor get poorer and the rich get richer, communism (i'll call it socialism now) would free those poor people from poverty and turn them into a middle class that can create employment and small businesses that will power the economy. I want to ask you, how many of Nigeria's elites are businessmen? the few that are are usually based abroad. overwhelminly Nigeria's wealthy are in politics, relatives of politicians, or involved in some other brainless activity. . . |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by Rgp92: 6:12pm On Aug 18, 2011 |
If the USA and the other western country drops capitalism, i bet Nigeria will too. It is very hard to change the mindset of many Nigerians, most of them looks up to USA and Will do anything they do Anyway, like someone already said here, let make our own economic/political system. We should stop importing this Europeans system, it ain't working in Africa. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by pleep(m): 9:48pm On Aug 18, 2011 |
I want to open everyones eyes to the hidden truth about our position in the world. The international economy is based on capitalist principles, and the world is a macrocosm of what occurs in a capitalist nation. Capitalism is like a pyramid, the only way it can work is if the base is larger than the top. The people at the base do the grunt work, they are the factory workers, seamstresses etc, they do physically demanding work that does not require much education and skills, this is the lower class. The middle class is the management, while the top of the pyramid is the elites, investment bankers, stock brokers and CEO's, who use the work of the poor to create products to sell back to them for profit. Inevitably the divide between the richer and poorer gets wider (this is a proven fact) This same principle applies to nations, the bottom of the Pyramid is Africa and the 3rd world countries, who mindlessly export raw materials. Economic policy that does not require much thought or education, and is physically demanding on the environment. While the top is japan, America and Europe, who use those raw materials to create products to sell back to Africa for a profit. At the end of the day there is a net loss for Africa, and gain for the north. Slowly the divide between the wealthy nations and the 3rd world widens. in 1980 Africa was at 10% below the poverty line now it is at 80 %. In this capitalist system the continued wealth of Europe and America depends on the continued poverty of the rest of humanity, because the base must be bigger than the top. The emergance of China to to top of the pyramid means even more problems for Africa, because the base must widen. Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 years from now. Do you guys think i would go on an American forum and try to convince them that they should turn socialist? Never, because they actually benefit from capitalism. But to hear Africans supporting capitalism is like hearing a poor hungry sweatshop worker payed 2$ an hour, praising the unregulated capitalist economy of the united states in the late 19 century. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by kodewrita(m): 8:31am On Aug 19, 2011 |
pleep: the bolded is the only problem. Create industries to use those and its mostly solved. That is what we should focus on not upturning the whole system. SUch a change will last a decade at least of political upheaval and strife. Whats the point of that? |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by pleep(m): 2:42pm On Aug 19, 2011 |
If the bolded is the "only problem" then this discussion is pointless obviously. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by Bawss1(m): 3:31pm On Aug 19, 2011 |
Look at all these closet communists, didn't know we had them hiding in our mist all this while. Its amazing to see how you guys are trying to make a case for a system that is fundamentally flawed. And what is even more amazing is that you refuse to acknowledge that ALL countries that have attempted this system have either abandoned it or are dying under it's dross - if they haven't modified it completely. DOWN WITH THE COMMUNISTS!!!! |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by Nobody: 12:26am On Aug 23, 2011 |
Krucifax: GBAM to every single sentence! I could not have said it better |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by Nobody: 12:42am On Aug 23, 2011 |
To start communism in Nigeria, you would have to forcefully eradicate the spirituality of Nigerians. This can only be done by force of death or imprisonment as communism and spirituality are not compatible. Nigerians are very spiritual folks. To make communism work, the state has to be seen as god that exists to provide everything for the citizens. In addition, you would have to seize properties from people who may have ancestral claims to them. It will be like telling the rural farmer that his farm does not belong to him anymore but is now a collectivized farm belonging to the state. To maintain food production, you would have to[b] force him[/b] to farm 'his' land that does not belong to him anymore. This is one reason communist revolutions start with severe famine that kills millions. The above examples are two of many. In short you cannot start and enforce communism without resort to tyranny and dictatorship. That is why ALL communist regimes are authoritarian. There is nothing like liberal communism as they do not tolerate opposition, dissent, run for elections or canvass for votes on the strength of their ideas. They are revolutionaries that seize power and they tend to run totalitarian police states |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by pleep(m): 12:56am On Aug 23, 2011 |
You guys r rediculous. Ive said a million times I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PURE COMMUNISM, the sort that erases religion, Seizes property and stifles creativity. Its easy to argue against that of course, but not so easy to argue against the truth. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by Nobody: 1:14am On Aug 23, 2011 |
^^^ You are trying to sell us a political ideology/system and the informed ones among us are poking holes in your ideas by citing the track record and history of this ideology in all the nations in which they have been practiced. What else do you want us to do? Pretend as if we can implement the same system in Nigeria without getting the same results? Even if we nigerianize communism and remove the forced redistribution, godlessness and rigid centralized economy, what exactly are we going to have in our version and still be able to call it communism? |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by pleep(m): 1:16am On Aug 23, 2011 |
what chinas got, what cubas got. There is no couuntry that practices pure capitalism, why should socialism be any different? |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by pleep(m): 9:49pm On Aug 23, 2011 |
you guys act as if America has no communist practices. Medicare, social security, public school system, anti trust laws, healthcare etc. . . |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by kodewrita(m): 7:37am On Aug 24, 2011 |
if we cant make capitalism work here in nigeria, then we cant make communism work. the underlying issues remain the same. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by Nobody: 5:39pm On Aug 24, 2011 |
pleep:So does that now make America a communist State!?Do what you listed above describe communism!?Not at all because there is a govt and must provide the basic amenities because the private sectors can't take care of everything. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by pleep(m): 5:48pm On Aug 24, 2011 |
alright, you guys officially can't listen. rediculous. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by Nobody: 10:55pm On Aug 24, 2011 |
^^^^ I only rephrased you dude! No hard feelings! |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by pleep(m): 5:40am On Aug 27, 2011 |
all4naija:my bad, for overreacting. I didn't point out that stuff about the U.S to say it was communist, but rather to explain that it is not a[i] pure capitalist[/i] country. That is to say that its unfair to expect a communist country to be pure communist, because i am aware that every polical system has to be molded to fit a particular country. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by Leonmamlade: 10:05am On Nov 21, 2013 |
WHat Nigeria needs is a formula not set in some sort of predefined stone, or ingrained in an indoctrination that is transplanted from a foreign land with known results but unclear cultural processes . We have minds that are pretty creative and long to get to the bottom line for the most part, with all the English speaking wannabe elites in Nigeria. Unfortunately we cannot sit and celebrate our observations or findings after we discover our weaknesses. Selfless and risk taking initiatives must follow suit and this is where many Nigerian closet protestors fail. It is not enough to express observation in clear clever grandiose grammar. We have to start by acting out the change and convictions we desire through our own daily lives. Lets say I am advocating for recycling culture and minimal waste. I can ignite this culture by not waste fully disposing "carnation milk " cans in open unplanned sewages on the road side.Even if nobody is watching me, stuff like that. So what we need is a conventional nationalistic styled formula that enforces guaranteed minimums for every affected ordinary citizen from every possible angle. Some sort of "if then "statements that will place checks and balances on cracks and loopholes that may leave room for taking advantage of the system. However , we have to define what this "need based classification " system will be. We will have to start where we are. Some sort of inventory of consistent elements of what drives the the Nigeria we know now. That may be a start. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by sammybhaws(m): 10:59am On Feb 23, 2015 |
Thank you for this topic. Look at Cuba that is practising communism and look at Russia let me not talk about China.... pls we should practise communism here because the rich grows richer because they own means of production and distribution and poor don't own a damn thing.. we are not united states of America.. we should find a type suitable for us and not following other countries.. The Government own everything and then distributes it.. Nice one for bringing this up 1 Like |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by truecommunist: 7:30pm On Mar 06, 2015 |
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Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by pra5ad: 1:14pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
Many are seeing communism as the way to equalize the wealth which is not true. Communism recognizes the proletariat which is the 'property-less' class and aims for the liberation of the proletariat. It simply means the private property and production are ceased to exist and replaced by a production system which is for the society, by the society and of the society. The production is controlled by public and everything belongs the collective |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by Adminisher: 1:23pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
havoc37: You are wrong here describing success as having more money than the next guy. Communism shackles the human spirit in people who are motivated by material condition which unfortunately is 85% of humanity. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by basille(m): 9:53pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
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Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by pleep(m): 4:12am On Aug 31, 2015 |
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Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by mikolo80: 6:04am On Aug 31, 2015 |
ektbear:God bless you cos I was about to start insulting this doofus even though I should know better that it's not his fault but our idiot/incompetent political science lecturers who keep teaching that socialism works in our universities. |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by mikolo80: 6:05am On Aug 31, 2015 |
Rgp92:what we've got already br'er |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by mikolo80: 6:05am On Aug 31, 2015 |
ojesymsym:so you want a culture of copying failure |
Re: Communism In Nigeria: Why Not? by mikolo80: 6:06am On Aug 31, 2015 |
IG:China is practising state capitalism after Mao 's communism failed for 30 yrs |
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