LagosShia:

Let me tell in all confidence that Osama Bin Laden will go to hell.just like your “born again” Christian brother,George Bush will also join Bin Laden there.all those who took innocents lives away will end up in hell.

bashy_demy:

They were saving money LOL. Sorry just kidding here. Well they are Pagan Serving idols, Secoandly Allah never proof His existence[b] "throught"[/b] Mohammad alone, He did through all Prophets including Jesus. but each prophet was send to there people[b] its was only Mohammad that God send to the whole world, [/b] I believe[b]"you might have about" [/b] where God "send" Jesus to. If you haven't then i'll tell you. God "send" Jesus to the lost ship of Israel not you cos you are not an Israelite.

If they were serving idols before Mohammed, u will agree with me that they were serving the kaaba, the same Kaaba u muslims worship today  

(Mark 16:15) And he said unto them, Go you into all the "world", and preach the gospel to "every creature".

bashy_demy:

Judek2 you just run and re surface like a Coward. The Like of you,plappville and Frosbel are well known. You run like a Coward

plappville:

How does it feel like making fun of writing faults? I don't usually care if my threads carry some spelling fault or not, i strongly believe ppl ve this "i dont care" habit in forum or chat room. U must correct some of the bold i marked for u as well, hahahaha, i meant to say "serve" not save.

plappville:



If they were serving idols before Mohammed, u will agree with me that they were serving the kaaba, the same Kaaba u muslims worship today  

plappville:



If u accept other prophets were from GOD, U should also know that, these prophets before Mohammed were not into idolatery. Did God just decides to change from a teaching "MERCI WITH JESUS" to the people, and introduced a total "TERROR, BRUTAL" teaching to the people by Mohameds?? How did Momammed fits in with others past prophets??

plappville:


Let me prove u wrong with your mentality of (JESUS DID NOT COME FOR U):
Yes becos the Jews re God's chosen people, God chose Israel as the means by which to BLESS the world with the Word of God, the Savior, the Apostles, Salvation, and Christianity itself.

This is why Israel as a nation is precious in God's eyes. However, the Scripture plainly states that God is "NO" respecter of persons (Acts 10:34) and that there is "NO" difference between the Jew and the Gentile (Romans 10:12). We as Christians re not obligated/expected to befriend the heathen nation of Israel today.

Jesus said to his disciples:

They are to make disciples of both u and me.

Who are the world? only the nation of Israel? no, u and me are included, because it also says every creature.

U must know effect from now that, everything that God ever did through Israel was with one intent—to bring salvation to the human race. Thank God for the precious redeeming literal blood of Jesus Christ that washes our sins away. (1st Peter 1:18,19; Revelation 1:5). make sure u Read these verses, dont be ignorant about the truth

First the above verse you quoted
is in contradiction of :

Matthew 15:24
He answered, "I was sent only
to the lost sheep of Israel."

bashy_demy:

@Judek2 Can you try to defend my comment up there since plappville and David refuse to respond to it

Judek2:

There is no contradiction here,
Jesus was born of the
lineage of Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob(Isreal). He was the fulfillment of the promise that God had made to Abraham many centuries earlier. Because of obedience and submission to God's will.God's promise to Abraham was two fold. (First),God promised to bless his lineage, namely Isaac,
Jacob (Israel), and the Children (descendants) of Israel. (Secondly),God promised that from this lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob would rise up a blessing for all nations, meaning all mankind.
(see Acts 3:25-26 and
Galatians 3:8,14).

In this promise to Abraham, both the descendants of Israel,
and the Gentiles (all non-Israelites) were to be blessed.

This was confirmed many centuries later when Jesus was born.
When the baby Jesus was taken to the temple for dedication, a devout elderly man who had been praying there was moved upon by the Spirit of God. He took the child in his arms and proclaimed these words in prayer to God:

Luke 2:30-32;
For my eyes have seen Your salvation, which You have prepared in the sight of all people, a light (1) for revelation to the Gentiles,and (2) for glory to Your people Israel.

From the passage above, we understand Jesus' ministry to be likewise two-fold. First of all,because he was born of the Children of Israel, his first mission was to reveal himself and God to the Israelites..
They were God's chosen people -- the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob(Isreal).

Even the Qur'an bears
witness to this distinction:
And commemorate Our servants Abraham, Isaac,and Jacob, possessors of power and vision. Verily, We did choose them for a special (purpose) --proclaiming the message of the hereafter. (Surat-us Sad 38:45-46

Children of Israel, call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred
you to all others (for My message).
(Surat-ul Baqara 2:47)

Unfortunately, over the course of time, the Children of Israel had grown hardened and indifferent to the things of God. As a result,it was necessary for Jesus to minister personally among them with signs and wonders in order to confirm to them that he was the long-awaited Messiah, the Blessed One, the Anointed One whom God had sent to redeem His chosen people.
For this reason during his personal ministry, Jesus instructed his disciples to go only to the Children of Israel. They were to hear the message first. This was to be their privilege because they were the people of God's covenant, the promise of blessing.
Following the death and resurrection of Jesus, one of his disciples addressed the Israelites as follows:

Acts 3:25-26;
Ye (Isreal) are the children of the prophet and of the covenant which God made with our Fathers saying unto Abraham,"And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed
(26)Unto you (Isreal) first,God having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you,in turning away from your iniquities.

His ministry was to start from Isreal,and thus his second part which was very significant after he has risen.
Luke 24:46-47;
And he said unto them.Thus it is written,and thus it hehooved Christ to suffer and rise from the dead the third day.
(47)And that repentance and remission of sins shall be preached in his name among all nations,beginning at Jerusalem.

The Bible is clear that this salvation in Jesus,the saviour is available to all people.
During his earthly ministry,he instructed his disciples to go only to the Isrealites,But after the second part of his mission was completed(The atoning of sin on the cross), he thus instructed his desciples;
Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power,after that the Holy Ghost (the promised comforter) is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth

Matt.28:19
Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus confirmed the universal nature of his mission when he said
John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness,but shall have the light of life

bashy_demy:

am not making fun of you and that was why i said pardon me. i know its a typo and that was why i answer your Question.

Well the same way Synagogue are been use as a place of idol and for Gambling before the arrival of Jesus Christ(Isa)==

((The temple was built purposely for worshiping God. its origin is God's house not like the Kaaba. if u understand Jesus accused them of ("turning the Temple" to a den of thieves etc,  If the origin of the building is for pagan worship, Jesus will not distroy they gambling. He told them that it is his "FATHERS HOUSE"

As for the Kaaba, it's Origin was total "PAGAN" The kaaba existed far before Mohamed. It was under the control of one of the most important tribes of Mecca, the Quraysh. It was used as a shrine for pagan idols, especially al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat, known together as al-Gharaniq (Daughters of Allah), and Hubal, a marriage god. When Muhammad took control of Mecca he cleaned out the idols and dedicated the Kaaba to allah U can see your comparation of kaaba and the temple of GOD that was been misused by some people for their own commercial interest before Jesus came to distroy them is not same issue as the kaaba. ))

then you dont read your bible,  people have been worship idol before the coming of each prophet and they still do till this day,  and beside each prophet where send to there people,  Quran30:47 And We have already sent messengers before you to their peoples, and they came to them with clear evidences; then We took retribution from those who committed crimes, and incumbent upon Us was support of the believers.==

((I ve seen that @judek2 has already given u the correct answer as regard your question.))

so if you are asking how Mohammad fits in with the other prophets, Then i'll ask you how did Jesus fits in too since there are lots of prophets before him,===

((Jesus came to fullfile the prophecies, He proved it in all ways, he thaught LOVE and PEACE, if Mohamed has to follow the step as God instucted Jesus,  why not teach Love and Peace instead of violence? Why no miracles, signs was performed by him? Yes he wrote the koran, but is that a miracle? because that is the only Miracle Mohamed claimed he performed. ))

Then you have to proof this verses to me, I mean what they mean,  maybe its the bible that is lying or Jesus or the God of the bible==

((U don't beed multiple clearance on it, @Judek2 has helped u out.))

Matthew 15:22-24:

   22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

   23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

   24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

  So tell me what he mean by he was not sent but to the lost sheep of Israel? since the woman is not an Israel that was why he dont wanna help her and telling his desciples that he wasn't sent to her tribe.

Matthew 19:28:

   28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Why dint he say he is going to Judge the world but only the 12 tribes of Israel meaning from each Disciples

Please explain

plappville:

((The temple was built purposely for worshiping God. its origin is God's house not like the Kaaba. if u understand Jesus accused them of ("turning the Temple" to a den of thieves etc, If the origin of the building is for pagan worship, Jesus will not distroy they gambling. He told them that it is his "FATHERS HOUSE"

plappville:

As for the Kaaba, it's Origin was total "PAGAN" The kaaba existed far before Mohamed. It was under the control of one of the most important tribes of Mecca, the Quraysh. It was used as a shrine for pagan idols, especially al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat, known together as al-Gharaniq (Daughters of Allah), and Hubal, a marriage god. When Muhammad took control of Mecca he cleaned out the idols and dedicated the Kaaba to allah Undecided U can see your comparation of kaaba and the temple of GOD that was been misused by some people for their own commercial interest before Jesus came to distroy them is not same issue as the kaaba. ))

plappville:

((Jesus came to fullfile the prophecies, He proved it in all ways, he thaught LOVE and PEACE, if Mohamed has to follow the step as God instucted Jesus, why not teach Love and Peace instead of violence? Why no miracles, signs was performed by him? Yes he wrote the koran, but is that a miracle? because that is the only Miracle Mohamed claimed he performed. Undecided))

LagosShia:

Firstly you are taking us into another topic entirely about Jacob and Abraham and giving me your interpretation and that of Paul,the fake prophet who founded Christianity.i am not interested in that please.through,Abraham and Jacob are the nations blessed because many nations today claim descent from them.

Lets go back to the topic.the first point is contradiction.let us compare the two verses:

Mark 16:15-17
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world,and preach the gospel to every creature.
(16) He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved; But he that believeth not shall be damned.

AND HERE:

Matthew 15:24
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

Judek2:

Jesus was born of the
lineage of Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob(Isreal). He was the fulfillment of the promise that God had made to Abraham many centuries earlier. Because of obedience and submission to God's will.God's promise to Abraham was two fold. (First),God promised to bless his lineage, namely Isaac,
Jacob (Israel), and the Children (descendants) of Israel. (Secondly),God promised that from this lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob would rise up a blessing for all nations, meaning all mankind.
(see Acts 3:25-26 and
Galatians 3:8,14).

In this promise to Abraham, both the descendants of Israel,
and the Gentiles (all non-Israelites) were to be blessed.

This was confirmed many centuries later when Jesus was born.
When the baby Jesus was taken to the temple for dedication, a devout elderly man who had been praying there was moved upon by the Spirit of God. He took the child in his arms and proclaimed these words in prayer to God:

Luke 2:30-32;
For my eyes have seen Your salvation, which You have prepared in the sight of all people, a light (1) for revelation to the Gentiles,and (2) for glory to Your people Israel.

From the passage above, we understand Jesus' ministry to be likewise two-fold. First of all,because he was born of the Children of Israel, his first mission was to reveal himself and God to the Israelites..
They were God's chosen people -- the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob(Isreal).

Unfortunately, over the course of time, the Children of Israel had grown hardened and indifferent to the things of God. As a result,it was necessary for Jesus to minister personally among them with signs and wonders in order to confirm to them that he was the long-awaited Messiah, the Blessed One, the Anointed One whom God had sent to redeem His chosen people.
For this reason during his personal ministry, Jesus instructed his disciples to go only to the Children of Israel. They were to hear the message first. This was to be their privilege because they were the people of God's covenant, the promise of blessing.
Following the death and resurrection of Jesus, one of his disciples addressed the Israelites as follows:

Acts 3:25-26;
Ye (Isreal) are the children of the prophet and of the covenant which God made with our Fathers saying unto Abraham,"And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed
(26)Unto you (Isreal) first,God having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you,in turning away from your iniquities.

His ministry was to start from Isreal,and thus his second part which was very significant after he has risen.
Luke 24:46-47;
And he said unto them.Thus it is written,and thus it hehooved Christ to suffer and rise from the dead the third day.
(47)And that repentance and remission of sins shall be preached in his name among all nations,beginning at Jerusalem.

The Bible is clear that this salvation in Jesus,the saviour is available to all people.
During his earthly ministry,he instructed his disciples to go only to the Isrealites,But after the second part of his mission was completed(The atoning of sin on the cross), he thus instructed his desciples;
Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power,after that the Holy Ghost (the promised comforter) is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth

Matt.28:19
Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus confirmed the universal nature of his mission when he said
John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness,but shall have the light of life

i think you need to read more about Kaaba,  The purpose of Kaaba Purposely for worshiping God, But since the rate of idol worshiper are higher than the believer then so they turn it into idol house,  if you need to read more about Kaaba here is a reference to help you

Judek2:


At the time Muhammad received his initial visitation, there were over 300 gods being worshiped in Mecca by pilgrims who came there each year to pray at the Ka'aba, a small cubic building that housed a black meteorite and effigies of the various gods. One of those gods was Allah, the
moon god. Muhammad decided to proclaim that there was only one god — and he selected Allah as that god.That's the reason the crescent moon became the symbol of
Islam. Muhammad also proclaimed that he was the prophet of Allah.

Jews and Christians were not the only ones who rejected Muhammad's new revelations. The people of his own tribe, the Quraysh, also rejected him. In response, Muhammad succumbed to the temptation to appease his tribe by announcing that it would be okay for them to worship the three daughters of Allah — named Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Ma-nat. This declaration led to the infamous "Satanic verses" of the Koran which were later deleted when Muhammad reverted back to monotheism. Muslims have tried ever since to cover-up this diversion from the faith.

bashy_demy:

Jude, I have always warn you not to argue for Argument sake, [b]Try to Argue with fact. Is there any prof to back up your claims from the Holy Quran? [/b]Don't ever come up with some crap telling me you read them online. I have always back my claim up with proof from your book. Mohammad is the Prophet that call the entire world to Mecca, So where did you come up with those 300, brother you don't need to lie in other win debate/argument that wont help you.

Judek2:

here is a comment by Abu Ismail on Osamas death. According to him and many high ranked Muslims, he is A MARTYR.

[b]And Usama bin Laden—may Allah
be pleased with him—may Allah
take great mercy upon him. I ask
Allah to accept him with the
righteous and the martyrs, O
Lord. Do not imagine that a
martyr is only someone with
whom you’ve always agreed
throughout your life. If you had a
different point of view from him,
and then he was killed, this
would not negate his martyrdom.
Now this man (i.e. bin Laden) had
religion wealth, and he was able
to spend millions in the path of
Allah, and speak the word of
truth with power. However, he
preferred to sacrifice his flesh,
his offspring, his family, and his
wealth, and go to the front lines
to work in the path of Allah. The
most glorious among us are
always the martyrs. May Allah
have mercy on him. The
testimony which he obtained
was a great fortune. I suppose
that he—and Allah is his judge
now—is among those of whom
it is said, “If only my people
knew,” Allah-willing. May Allah
take great mercy upon him, and I
ask Almighty Allah that the
Muslims may soon be able to
avenge him, as well as all of the
martyrs of Islam, such as
‘Abdallah ‘Azam, Ahmad Yasin,
and others, O Lord.[/b]

You must be a lebel in Islam because Osama is a righeous man before Allah and he will go to Heaven according to your Koran. (suffer me to bring many Koranic verses that supports Osama?)

Judek2:

At the time Muhammad received his initial visitation, ((there were over 300 gods)) [/b]being worshiped in Mecca by pilgrims who came there each year to pray at the Ka'aba, a small cubic building that housed a black meteorite and effigies of the various gods. [b]One of those gods was Allah, the
moon god. ((Muhammad decided to proclaim that there was only one god — and he selected Allah as that god.)))That's the reason the crescent moon became the symbol of
Islam. Muhammad also proclaimed that he was the prophet of Allah.

Jews and Christians were not the only ones who rejected Muhammad's new revelations. ((The people of his own tribe, the Quraysh, also rejected him. In response, Muhammad succumbed to the temptation to appease his tribe by announcing that it would be okay for them to worship the three daughters of Allah — named Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Ma-nat. This declaration led to the infamous "Satanic verses" of the Koran which were later deleted when Muhammad reverted back to monotheism. Muslims have tried ever since to cover-up this diversion from the faith.

plappville:

To the bold, mohammed himself enrased this satanic verse from the kuran, so how can the prove be in it? but thank God before he corrected himself, history had noted this verse in the koran, wait i will come up with it. U know not the secret behind a religion u are backing

@bashy_demy::Can you tell me who Build the temple and for what Purpose? and also what is the name of the Temple? is it the same Solomon Temple?

@bashy_demy:i think you need to read more about Kaaba,  The purpose of Kaaba Purposely for worshiping God, But since the rate of idol worshiper are higher than the believer then so they turn it into idol house,  if you need to read more about Kaaba here is a reference to help you

and what prophecies did he come and fulfill? Did i hear you say he preach Love and Peace? [/b]then am not sure who is lying here maybe Paul or Jesus

bashy_demy:

You never cease to Amaze me you know, don't you think you are stupi.d to even think someone erased something from the Quran? do you think its the same way Paul and some 40 men erased alot of verses from the bible? i always tell you to give me proof from Holy Quran but you cannot trying to come up with some write ups cmon you can do better than that girl. i have put alot of Verses to you guys but instead of you to defend them you keep changing topics,But i have defend all the verses you put to me you now that shame is on you guys there are more verses for you to defend ooo.

plappville:

(John 2:13-22)
“13: When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14:. In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables
exchanging money.
15:.So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple
area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned
their tables.
16:. To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"
17:. His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."
18:. Then the Jews demanded of him, "What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?"
19:. Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."
20:. The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, [/b]and you are going to raise it in three days?"
21:. But the temple he had spoken of was his body.
22. After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said.
Then they believed the Scriptureand the words that Jesus had spoken.”1

[b]Did u see that Jesus sent them out with authourity? he didn't say "as from today it will be my fathers house. NO, it has been his Fathers house right from day one of the construction of that Temple.

The second bold tells u who bold the temple and what the temple was meant for.

plappville:

(John 2:13-22)
A reference made after the satanic verse has been enrased from the loran by hohammed? eehhm! this is why u can't know the true origin of the kaaba. I will tell u that @Jedek2 has already explain the truth in a way even achild will understand. Let me do more then.

[b]Although these verses do not appear in the Koran anymore, but which Muhammad was believed to have uttered as part of his “revelation” that sought compromise with the Quraysh, referring as they did to the 3 godesses.

[s]These are the exalted birds whose intercession is approved.[/s]

These  verses were a revelation to the quraysh. “because the koran appeared to ve endorsed the piety of their fathers and to ve abandoned its monotheistic message, when” Karen Armstrong wrote in Mohamad: A Biography of the Prophet, the quraysh “no longer saw Islam as a sacrilegious threat that could bring a catastrophe on the people of Mecca.” they now embraced Mohamad’s religion and prepared to welcome him back into the fold.

[s]Why/How did Mohamad Rejects the Satanic Verses[/s]

But before the quraysh had the time to act on the perceivec compromise, mohamad himself, came to his senses, judged the verses that approved the intercession of the “exalted birds” to ve been inspired by Satan, he now rejected them with a new "revelation" as below:::::

[s][b]They are but names which you and your fathers have invented: [/b]God has vested no authority in them.[/s]

The unbelievers follow but vain conjectures and the whims of their own souls, although the guidance of their Lord has long since come to them. Tell me who is fooling who? We sure know the truth of the god of the muslim.


Islamic historians Ibn Saad and Abu Ja’far mohamad al-Tabari said that, Mohamad was truely interested in looking for a compromise that would end the rift btw his ppl and the Quraysh. the quraysh on their own part, had sent out trail balloon: give the Quraysh a sign that you’d be willing to compromise on your absolute monotheism.
That could open the way to a solution in togetherness.


And so Muhammad, according to the Islamic historians say, once heard a "revelation" that three goddesses worshipped by the Quraysh — al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat — could be revered and worshipped. [/b]Word spread to the Quraysh. To the tribe leaders, Muhammad’s allowance was taken as a concession that [b]the three goddesses had equal billing with god in the koran. and if the Prophet was willing to worship the three goddesses, then all could be well again between Mohammad and the quraysh, who’d be willing to pray with Muslims and open Mecca’s doors to them again. It was all an agreement btw both mohammed and the Quraysh.The only way he could ve succeeded is the way he did it. Nothing absolute was devine right from the start.

bashy_demy:

Another Nonsense ranting around the thread,  Stop giving me some write ups girl if we should proof and defend ourselfs with write ups i am far better than you, how dare you make some search on the net and post them here telling me that is you reference and they are true. Like i have always say. I always back up my claims with proof from your Holy book. SO you Argument are irrelevant if there is no proof from the Holy Quran and will be thrown out like the case of Tinubu from the CCT  .

[b]There is no one here who is alive During the time of all the Prophets so all we do is read History [/b]and the main and accepted History from the Holy Books. If i come up with some Write ups claims Jesus get married to a lady and have children wont you bring proof from the bible to proof me wrong,  so now you are claiming some kind of rubbish and telling they are true. go sit down my friend.

I'll rspond to the rest later need to fix something.

bashy_demy:

Yes always your ways,  after all your ranting you still never answer my question. I ask you who be Build the temple you still giving me same old stories spare me all that.
[b]According to Islamic History Abraham and Ishmael Build Kaaba [/b]and there is reference for it and you have read it yourself in the Holy Quran.
So now tell me according to Bible, Who build the Temple and what is the name of the Temple? and mind you there is nothing in the second bold to proof who build the temple.

bashy_demy:

Yes always your ways,  after all your ranting you still never answer my question. I ask you who be Build the temple you still giving me same old stories spare me all that.

According to Islamic History Abraham and Ishmael Build Kaaba and there is reference for it and you have read it yourself in the Holy Quran.

Judek2:

As regards your question on the only issue,I have dealt kindly with that.Im sure you didnt read my post below, Maybe you should review my post again.

LagosShia:

The second point I raised which ofcourse you can never address because your entire Christian religion is built on conjectures and living in denial,is interpolation.

Bible versions relegated verses 9-20 of Mark Chapter 16 to a footnote.then they give the reason why:

[size=14pt]“The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9–20”[/size]
http://niv.scripturetext.com/mark/16.htm

bashy_demy:

So now tell me according to Bible, Who build the Temple and what is the name of the Temple? and mind you there is nothing in the second bold to proof who build the temple.

Judek2:

At the time Muhammad received his initial visitation, there were over 300 gods being worshiped in Mecca by pilgrims who came there each year to pray at the Ka'aba, a small cubic building that housed a black meteorite and effigies of the various gods. One of those gods was Allah, the
moon god. Muhammad decided to proclaim that there was only one god — and he selected Allah as that god.That's the reason the crescent moon became the symbol of
Islam. Muhammad also proclaimed that he was the prophet of Allah.

[size=18pt]WHAT IS HIS NAME? (HIS NAME IS ALLAH IN YOUR BIBLE)!!!![/size]
by Ahmad Deedat


http://www.islamawareness.net/Allah/wihn.html

Jews and Christians were not the only ones who rejected Muhammad's new revelations. The people of his own tribe, the Quraysh, also rejected him. In response, Muhammad succumbed to the temptation to appease his tribe by announcing that it would be okay for them to worship the three daughters of Allah — named Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Ma-nat. This declaration led to the infamous "Satanic verses" of the Koran which were later deleted when Muhammad reverted back to monotheism. Muslims have tried ever since to cover-up this diversion from the faith.

bashy_demy:

Jude, I have always warn you not to argue for Argument sake, Try to Argue with fact. Is there any prof to back up your claims from the Holy Quran? Don't ever come up with some crap telling me you read them online. I have always back my claim up with proof from your book. Mohammad is the Prophet that call the entire world to Mecca, So where did you come up with those 300, brother you don't need to lie in other win debate/argument that wont help you.

Judek2:

Please,stop this your ranting of a thing post,its embarrasing you. She gave you facts as it is.

On the bold, to be dealt with.

Archeological proofs of Mecca

According to the Quran, Mecca was the first and most important city in the world. Adam placed the black stone in the original Kaba (sanctuary) there, while Abraham and Ishmael rebuilt the Meccan Kaba centuries later (Sura 2:125-127).

Mecca was allegedly the centre of Arabian trading routes before Muhammads time. Yet there is no archeological corroboration for this. Such a great ancient city would surely have received a mention in ancient history. However, the earliest reference to Mecca as a city is in the Continuato Byzantia Arabica, an 8th century document. Mecca is certainly not on the natural overland trade routes- .It is a barren valley requiring a one hundred mile detour.
Moreover, there was only maritime Graeco-Roman trade with India after the first century, controlled by the Ethiopian Red Sea port Adulis, not by the Arabs.
If Mecca was not even a viable city, let alone a great commercial centre until after Muhammads time, the Quran is seriously in doubt.

plappville:

Nothing like write up, we all read the history, There must be 99.9per trace of truth about the kaaba.
My hubby has alot of history books, if i could ve the time, i will read them more, all kind of History books, even the La BIBLE, coran,(KORAN) CLEOPATRE Egypt, etc etc, They are books u hardly find in shops these days, herited from gene to gene, my kids will read them too. although,  one can find similars on net but not all are accurate.

If u conderm every other History book as faulse, how can u then claim the socalled kuran is true? like u said, there is no one living today that was alive during days of these prophets, so how did your Mohamed came about Abraham and Ishmael building the Kaaba if not through History? and there is no History back up for its claims which shows how he has over manipulated things and arrived at making this errors.

post the route Abraham and Ishmael took to Mecca and i will post u the places recorded in the bible that Abraham visited, u will not tell me that the Old testament is also wrong