Gerrard59:


That's the problem with illegal migration and not going to school. A black African who has a BSc and knows Portuguese or strives to learn it then move to Brazil to obtain a MSc degree would live a better life than in Africa.

That's an undeniable fact.

The people you met are illegal migrants or uneducated migrants who most likely don't have the Brazilian passport. A Brazilian passport holder can move to anywhere in the EU visa free. For a country to enjoy visa free access to EU nations means she is above middle class status.

When you people write these things, do well to explain the nitty-gritty of what you wrote.



Botswana has one of the highest unemployment rate in Africa. That's an undeniable fact. Please do some research. Also, Botswana is Apples to Oranges when compared to Brazil. Additionally, it's not easy to migrate to Botswana as a West African. In fact, I dare say it's easier to migrate to the UK as a Nigerian than to Botswana.

Shikena:

Where did you get that from? Can you provide any link/proof of that? Brazil is one place that shocked me about their attitude towards moving to Brazil. The US Embassy was almost empty the few times I went there.

erico2k2:

What that guy said is fact, there are well established drug route lined with people smugglers from Brazil to the US. Deadly journey, take it as Wet Forest route to Libya. Full of snakes and poisonous Lishes and stuff.
If you speak to anyone in that market, I have forgotten the name, google Darien Gap, its a vast area merging central and north America, its btw Colombia and Panama, it takes up to 10 days to cross, last year more than 36 persons died in that jungle, some came back and are in that market hustling others scattered in other part of southern America. I also met some group there who it took nearly 16 years to be able to learn the language up to Olevel grade.

grandstar:


Yes, it does have high unemployment. That does not mean it is relatively wealthy. Also, don't forget Brazil is notorious for its uneven distribution of wealth. Botswana has a better wealth distribution. Brazil may be more advanced, but life is better in Botswana.
The primary reason for the Botswana's high unemployment rate I suspect is its location. The fact that it is landlocked is a big disadvantage as well as it small population. Manufacturing for export would be adversely affected by transportation cost.

However, I don't think this answers the question. The country should try harder. It should pursue tourism more energetically but it hates mass tourism. It could also set up an aerotropolis, which would double as an export processing zone.

But overall, one can not deny it is well run. I am not interested in migrating. I was just stating my opinion.

erico2k2:

That country lack infrastructure relative to its huge population and large land mass, to travel from Sao Palo to Rio de Jenaro takes 8 hours by bus on a very tricky road you as a visitor cannot drive on also from Rio to Salvado is 1 day 10 hours no trains. The do have Trams in the tourist areas and they make money from that but overall thier number one export is FOOD.

Shikena:
Show proof that Brazilians migrating to USA are more than those from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Venezuala, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Haiti then we can start debating. That is the point in the debate just in case you missed it.

Shikena:

What is the expected infrastructure?
How do you get to Denver or Gunnison, Colorado from say New Orleans, Lousiana in the USA? Or New York to Phoenix?

erico2k2:

I have never been to them states so I cannot tell more so we cannot compare a third world country like Brazil to the USA cos for what the loss the make up in other ways.

erico2k2:

Plz watch documentaries on Darien Gap, and its worthy to note, loads of south Americans go to Brazil for tourism.check these
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazilian-town-empties-migration-us-accelerates-2021-11-30/

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/brazilian-immigrants-united-states-2017

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazilians-flock-us-border-an-alleged-smuggler-cashes-2021-10-12/
https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/13/us-usa-immigration-brazil-insight

Shikena:
I have provided the info above, I don't know what your expectations are and I don't know which country open up a portal and say THESE JOBS ARE MEANT FOR NIGERIANS. As an immigrant, you go in with no expectation and find your way. If your concern is if Nigerians have good jobs in Brazil, yes they do and there are several professional groups across different Brazilian cities including Brasilia, Sao Paulo & Rio.

English teaching:
Nigerians are working warehouses in America until they have documents, some are working in African restaurants. English teaching is better in my opinion and many Nigerians do it effortlessly after a few months in Brazil.

SIM Card:
Have you ever asked yourself if it's easy for foreigner to get SIM card or Wi-Fi in Nigeria? Forget foreigners, you think it's easy adjusting to Nigeria for Nigerians living abroad?

erico2k2:

That country lack infrastructure relative to its huge population and large land mass, to travel from Sao Palo to Rio de Jenaro takes 8 hours by bus on a very tricky road you as a visitor cannot drive on also from Rio to Salvado is 1 day 10 hours no trains. The do have Trams in the tourist areas and they make money from that but overall thier number one export is FOOD.

erico2k2:

Apart from Hear say do you know anyone who teaches English personally? I don't mean one employed by a Nigerian family to teach thier kids at home. Also African restaurants Bross Plzzzzz those are mama put I was at few of them and also I happen to meet a Nairalander there too we both ate at same restaurant but were not familiar at the time. You talking about ware houses, bro the average Brazilian is looking for that job.Bro I only just left there Feb this year If you don't sell drugs in the name of African shop then you are just a figure passing time.The ladies tend to do well than our brothers as they are into hair product and stylist etc.

AmancalledGod:
Did you later made it to Europe bro, i can't wait to hear your success story

Gerrard59:


Next time, don't lie brazenly on the Internet. Brazilians are moving to the US illegally yet the visa refusal rate for Brazilians is less than 20%.

I'm not here to make you or anyone happy with my posts. Just don't lie, that's all.

Shikena:
Hear say?
Brazil is my second home. I can name 20 Nigerians in at least 10 Brazilian cities that we rolled together back in the day. This is a faceless forum so let's leave it at that. I know at least 5 Nigerians with their own English language franchise businesses .

... and yes, I encountered guys like you in Brazil a lot but people's paths are different.

Many of you are fond of analyzing foreign countries from the perspective of a fresh immigrant rolling with limited stalites and staying for just a couple of years or someone just visiting for 2 or 3 weeks. You are hardly close to any iota of accuracy in your views.

Gerrard59:

Additionally, it's not easy to migrate to Botswana as a West African. In fact, I dare say it's easier to migrate to the UK as a Nigerian than to Botswana.

tojahh:


Nope I didn't make it. I was arrested at point of crossing. Robbed and beaten.

One day I'll drop the story.

grandstar:


Frankly speaking, I think Gerrard59 is too biased towards Brazil.

Brazil is stuck in the Middle Income trap. For it to become an advanced nation, it needs to implement a number of reforms such as make its labour force more flexible, reduce endemic red tape, end a maddening array of taxes and cut the overgenerous pensions which creates a huge hole in government finances. The list goes on.

The fact that Brazilians can travel visa free is not an indication of the strength of the Brazilian economy but an outcome of bullying. Brazil has a reciprocal policy of granting visa free travels or visas on arrivals only to countries that do the same to Brazilians. So, many advanced nations are forced to open their borders to them. I know Brazilian do overstay in the UK but I do not know if they do the same in other parts of Europe.

AmancalledGod:
so where are you now, are you back to Nigeria, or you are in Libya.

grandstar:


Frankly speaking, I think Gerrard.d59 is too biased towards Brazil.

Brazil is stuck in the Middle Income trap. For it to become an advanced nation, it needs to implement a number of reforms such as make its labour force more flexible, reduce endemic red tape, end a maddening array of taxes and cut the overgenerous pensions which creates a huge hole in government finances. The list goes on.

The fact that Brazilians can travel visa free is not an indication of the strength of the Brazilian economy but an outcome of bullying. Brazil has a reciprocal policy of granting visa free travels or visas on arrivals only to countries that do the same to Brazilians. So, many advanced nations are forced to open their borders to them. I know Brazilian do overstay in the UK but I do not know if they do the same in other parts of Europe.

xandy84:
I agreed with you. For the fact a country can travel to another country visa free or visa on arrival does not make such a country better than a country that does not. Mexicans can travel to most countries visa free or visa on arrival ]even Canada and most European countries but same Mexicans are climbing fence to come pick tomatoes in farms across US.
While traveling is awesome and an eye opener but it does not worth risking your life for. For very store-away that live to tell his stories, hundreds ain't fortunate enough to be alive to recant their ordeal.
I will always encourage people to travel but not at the risk to your lives no life no get duplicate ooo

Regex:


Are you for reals? Why is it that way? Even on tourist visa?

xandy84:
I am going to ignore you this time. Your post do make me or anyone said either. It just shows lack of civility in you cos you can disagree without insult. Peace

Gerrard59:


I'm not biased towards Brazil. My point is simple: Brazil is better off than every black African country. That's an undeniable fact.

Regarding the bold, if Brazil wasn't rich, she won't be able to "bully" others. After all, Brazil doesn't enjoy visa free access to the US.

xandy84:
I am not discouraging anyone from going to Brazil. In fact, I believe Brazil is a step up from Nigeria but risking your lives to travel to US, Canada or Europe does not worth it. Considering risk and reward factors, you can lose your life being store away dying a violent death.
Let me rephrase it. I will rather be a mechanic in Lagos than store way to Brazil. Simple.[qouted]

Ok.

yewit37486:


That guy is a very uncouth frustrated human being. People like that are best ignored.

grandstar:


Brazil isn't better than every African country.

Yes, it may be more "advanced" but better is quite stretching it. The only country on the South American mainland that is close to that should be Chile.

Your fact is very deniable.The huge income disparity is shocking with Favelas everywhere. Crime and drugs are huge problems and usually where such thrive amongst youth, it's an indication they've lost faith in their future.

Chile on the other hand is more prosperous, has a higher standard of living and its on its way to becoming an advanced rich nation probably in 20years. Sadly, it's turning leftist and that may stifle growth.

grandstar:


Brazil isn't better than every African country.

Yes, it may be more "advanced" but better is quite stretching it. The only country on the South American mainland that is close to that should be Chile.

Your fact is very deniable.The huge income disparity is shocking with Favelas everywhere. Crime and drugs are huge problems and usually where such thrive amongst youth, it's an indication they've lost faith in their future.

Chile on the other hand is more prosperous, has a higher standard of living and its on its way to becoming an advanced rich nation probably in 20years. Sadly, it's turning leftist and that may stifle growth.

Shikena:
Hear say?
Brazil is my second home. I can name 20 Nigerians in at least 10 Brazilian cities that we rolled together back in the day. This is a faceless forum so let's leave it at that. I know at least 5 Nigerians with their own English language franchise businesses .

... and yes, I encountered guys like you in Brazil a lot but people's paths are different.

Many of you are fond of analyzing foreign countries from the perspective of a fresh immigrant rolling with limited stalites and staying for just a couple of years or someone just visiting for 2 or 3 weeks. You are hardly close to any iota of accuracy in your views.

grandstar:


Brazil isn't better than every African country.

Your fact is very deniable.The huge income disparity is shocking with Favelas everywhere. Crime and drugs are huge problems and usually where such thrive amongst youth, it's an indication they've lost faith in their future.

Chile on the other hand is more prosperous, has a higher standard of living and its on its way to becoming an advanced rich nation probably in 20years. Sadly, it's turning leftist and that may stifle growth.

erico2k2:

Guys like me ke, what do you know bout me? Also I can say the same for you, People living in self-denial, we could go o n and on but that aint shyte..The fact remains the same, Brazil is a shythole as far as I'm concerned, my standard may be very high, but it is a shytholl,

erico2k2:

You know people talk on a faceless forum and pull facts from the Air, Brazil is better than every African country my aszzzz