Frosbel is a bigot, no doubt! I have no problem with that. But now that he has started to spread lies, I need to call every1's attention to it.

u can ignore ds paragraph
Frosbel copies nd pastes the things he posts without verifying them.probably because he has so much trust in the people he copies from. U can there by understand why he doesnt read replies and if he does, doesnt assimilate them. If he wouldnt read replies for understanding, he cannot have a change in mind. So, he keeps working hard without any development to himself. DO u ever wonder why he has certain lines that he uses over and over again??- He simply cant reason beyond those. I was surprised to learn yeserday that he is married- what a poor woman dealing with frosbel!

He started a thread, https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-793306.0.html where he quoted the QUr'an. but d quotes were deliberately tuned to favor frosbel and his masters' description of Islam.the following is what he wrote-

Not only are there virgins in multiplied numbers, but, also, dashing and handsome young boys ready to be devoured in Same-sex activities. [/b]The Islam pornographic brothel includes the darkest possible sin of men Desecrating innocent young boys. These quotes from the Koran document these horrible acts:

“Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.” (Koran 52:24)

but the verse reads as follows-

[b] وَيَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ غِلْمَانٌ لَّهُمْ كَأَنَّهُمْ لُؤْلُؤٌ مَّكْنُونٌ 52:24 And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls.

Ibn Kathir explained it this way-

This is a description of the servants and aids, the believers will have in Paradise. Their servants will be beautiful, graceful in appearance, clean and neat as well-preserved pearls,

from another verse of the QUr'an, Allah says-
Immortal boys will go around them with cups, and jugs, and a glass of flowing wine. (56:17-18)

LESSON- Always be sure of what you say before saying them. Ask questions from knowledgeable Muslims about their religion
Read to understand and not to criticise. if need be, do it politely.

Frosbel and his cronies will do anything so u can think they are on point, not necessarily because they are good christians.

I hope the Moderators will put this down in the front page so that we can take this down to the wire 

Even after I left the ISLAM section , deols and sweetnectra are dragging me back 

frosbel:

I hope Jarus will put this down in the front page so that we can take this down to the wire 

Even after I left the ISLAM section , deols and sweetnectra are dragging me back 

reply ASAP or wats taking your time. are u looking for where to copy from??

deols:

Frosbel is a bigot, no doubt! I have no problem with that. But now that he has started to spread lies, I need to call every1's attention to it.

u can ignore ds paragraph
Frosbel copies nd pastes the things he posts without verifying them.probably because he has so much trust in the people he copies from. U can there by understand why he doesnt read replies and if he does, doesnt assimilate them. If he wouldnt read replies for understanding, he cannot have a change in mind. So, he keeps working hard without any development to himself. DO u ever wonder why he has certain lines that he uses over and over again??- He simply cant reason beyond those. I was surprised to learn yeserday that he is married- what a poor woman dealing with frosbel!

errrrrr, but is this really necessary?

attack the issue, leave the personality out of it.
frosbel copies n pastes. . . .deal with that, leave frosbel n his wife out of it.

coogar:

errrrrr, but is this really necessary?

attack the issue, leave the personality out of it.
frosbel copies n pastes. . . .deal with that, leave frosbel n[b] his wife out of it.[/b]

Help me tell her oo, my wife has never visited Nairaland , why drag her into it

coogar:

errrrrr, but is this really necessary?

attack the issue, leave the personality out of it.
frosbel copies n pastes. . . .deal with that, leave frosbel n his wife out of it.

sorry if u dont like dat part. d reason i asked u to ignore it. I made it clear his copy nd paste stopped bothering me. nd  is dat all u c to d post  

frosbel:

Help me tell her oo, my wife has never visited Nairaland , why drag her into it

e ma binu. sorry about dat. now, reply. .

Thought Picnic: The warped doctrine of 72 virgins

An attack on people
As the world gathered to watch the greatest spectacle on earth in unity of mind and purpose some to whom any sense of enjoyment or community gathering is anathema wreaked havoc with two bomb blasts in Uganda killing scores.

It is suspected that Al-Shabab, an Islamic fundamentalist group linked to Al-Qaeda is behind this carnage because of the peace-keeping efforts in Somalia by Ugandan contingent of the African Union forces.

It remains a thing of outrage that any human-being would scheme to kill scores of innocent people to make a political or religious point and one wonders about whether the perpetrators have any conscience, a sense of retribution, an awareness of a so-called afterlife or even an element of faith.

A harem of 72 virgins
So warped is their theology that it is amazing that it gains any traction at all in the thinking of an sane being. Suicide bombers have been offered the promise of paradise, paradise painted in the basest elements of intimate lust – a harem of 72 virgins.

One does wonder if the sexually repressed male who has lived an unnecessarily ascetic life with no ambition or goal in life whose existence has been coloured with pain, suffering and a lack of prospect could in anyway be prepared in his naivety for the highly libidinous task of taking away the virginity of 72 damsels.

A virgin obsession
An untested claim, an unverified existence and a pie in the sky that makes one question the whole concept of faith and an afterlife but seems compelling enough for those impressionable men under the control of evil and nasty religious patrons to be persuaded of the joys of Reproduction to the exclusion of any other purpose to give up their lives for the cause.

In a culture that is so virgin-obsessed that women regardless of status have to be presented as chaste, covered, concealed and chaperoned as virgins even if they have long been dispossessed of their virginity there is need for more anthropological insight.

The sexually obsessed men are the ones who always appear to lack the self-control in managing their urges but they are never the ones caught committing adultery, the burden of guilt lies with the woman who generally is not able to fight off the advances, who is the victim twice for having been abused and then murdered for having “besmirched” family honour.

Only for the men
The paradise seems only to be made for men on earth and beyond, they have no responsibility to be well behaved or honourable but are ready accomplices in seeking heinous retribution against their womenfolk, no provision seems to have been made for women in general and especially those who become suicide bombers, and it is unlikely they would be recreated virgins but there is probably a story of bliss prepared for them too.

A bliss is that very obtainable on earth if the leaders allow for the conditions to exist for a fulfilled life on earth before that so-called paradise is populated with novices, idiots and easily lead fools to their own destruction.

Once those 72 virgins are exhausted, one could only imagine whether the tale has any legs, if the virgins would the replenished or paradise would end for that is the only reward beyond which the management of a 72-person harem becomes an eternal hell.

The 72 houri
There are references to 72 houri (could translate to virgins), in the Hadith and this constitutes the minimal reward for people of heaven along with 80,000 servants – which in general terms would a logistical organisational nightmare for people who have been followers only and never had an inkling of leadership.

Surely, servants would want to be gainfully employed in the service of their great master the suicide-bomber who just arrived from earth – no, it just does not compute even from an irrational perspective.

The houri however are described in terms that appeal more to the men and expect the women to conform to some code, which is fair enough for those societies but does the pool of 80,000 servants also get populated by persons who once lived on earth and would this servant-hood have benevolent masters or harsh task masters whose masochism on earth is rewarded with opportunities of sociopathic sadism they once experienced from others before heaven?

Silencing the apostles of hate
As for the apostles of hate and death whose power of persuasion belongs to the primitive and pre-human instinct, none of what they do on earth now can justify any sense of bliss in the afterlife, their existence now is one that calls for them to be hunted down as prey and eradicated as vermin.

The whole purpose of religion should always be in service of humanity, where it harms our humanity it is no more religion, it has become terrorism and worse – justice will only be served when all those whose lack of passion for life are taken out of the circulation of those of us who believe there is more to life and probably something more exciting to the afterlife than the satisfaction of our intimate expression.

It is time for well-meaning and true Islamic scholars and leaders to address this matter with urgency provide the context, the reasoned teaching and the framework that honours the cause of Islam as a religion of peace with possibility of happiness and joy on earth and the hereafter and blow into smithereens the warped doctrine of 72 virgins.

http://www.akinblog.nl/2010/07/thought-picnic-warped-doctrine-of-72.html

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frosbel, address your misinterpreted verse and save us the unnecessarily long write up

u must be falling the hands of so many christian faithfuls. they are probably expecting you to prove me wrong and prove your deductions right.

we are bored of all of the above. u av repeated them times without number.

stop spamming pls and answer clearly and briefly(preferably in your own words  )

the above is also filled with such lies. But, because I dont want to derail ds thread, I wont reply them. If u open another thread for that, I will show the ignorance of the writer and that of u.

^^^^


Please explain the below :

Qur'an 56:13 ", Round about them will (serve) boys of perpetual (freshness), of never ending bloom, "

Qur'an 76:19 "And round them shall serve immortal boys of perpetual freshness, never altering in age. If you saw them, you would think they were scattered pearls."

Qur'an 76:21 "Upon them will be green garments of fine green silk and heavy gold brocade. They will be adorned with bracelets of silver;, "

@deols
On the contrary I think Frosbel is doing a great Job on this forum, he only needs to be a bit less confrontational.

Pastor Kun:

@deols
On the contrary I think Frosbel is doing a great Job on this forum, he only needs to be a bit less confrontational.

seconded. hes definitely going to be the poster of the Year just like joagbaje was last year

Pastor Kun:

@deols
On the contrary I think Frosbel is doing a great Job on this forum, he only needs to be a bit less confrontational.

Difficult not to sometimes sound harsh with so many truth twisters on this forum who want to sell a brand of Christianity that Jesus will vomit out of his mouth. Dr. Fireman comes to mind, if that guy does not enrage a Christian I do not know what will.

We are talking about souls here, people abused and taken for a ride by MOG who do not know JESUS.

I will tone down

^^^
It might be a bit difficult to bit joagbaje as he and his gang members have several multiple I.Ds with which they use to rig 'elections'.

toba:

seconded. hes definitely going to be the [b]poster of the Year [/b]just like joagbaje was last year

My brother , that is the last thing on my mind and I mean it, let it rather be the most hated poster of the year, I can settle for that  

Again my purpose is to follow JESUS to the very end by learning more at his feet, obeying his word and helping to expose the lies that have been perpetuated in the name of Christiantiy in the end times , and also the misrepresentation of our beloved Christain faith by our Mo ( PBUH ) and god hating friends  .  

I am always open to correction based on the BIBLE ONLY !

Deols has run away

Maybe her brother Sweetnecta , the off-topic king can help her

frosbel:

Deols has run away

Maybe her brother Sweetnecta , the off-topic king can help her

i dont ever quit man! and I av a life outside of here. Do I av to stay put to prove a point? *smh

Pastor Kun:

@deols
On the contrary I think Frosbel is doing a great Job on this forum, he only needs to be a bit less confrontational.

can u stay on point pls. I ddnt open this thread to discuss the next poster of the year. frosbel is different thing to different people.

He told a lie on what the Qur'an says and is what am here to discuss at d mo. when you open a thread for d oda one, I might av a reason to recommend joagbaje rather than frosbel

But until then, let us stay on topic pls

@OP
I agree that Frosbel is an annoying bigot and a frequent troll but this thread is as bad as anything he's ever done on this site.
In trying to fight a dark lord, you have become one yourself.

Please explain the below :

Qur'an 56:13 ", Round about them will (serve) boys of perpetual (freshness), of never ending bloom, "

ثُلَّةٌ مِّنَ الاٌّوَّلِينَ

56:13 A multitude of those will be from the first ones. .
u gave the wrong quotation. Again I say, always verify those things before u post them. Go and check and then re quote the verse u meant.

Qur'an 76:19 "And round them shall serve immortal boys of perpetual freshness, never altering in age. If you saw them, you would think they were scattered pearls."

*young boys from the boys of Paradise will go around serving the people of Paradise.
*everlasting youth means, in one state forever which they will be never changing from, they will not increase in age.

*If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls means when you see them dispersing to fulfill the needs of their masters, their great number, their beautiful faces, handsome colors, fine clothing and ornaments, you would think that they were scattered pearls. There is no better quality than this, nor is there anything nicer to look at than scattered pearls in a beautiful place.
*And when you look means `when you see it, O Muhammad.'  

Qur'an 76:21 "Upon them will be green garments of fine green silk and heavy gold brocade. They will be adorned with bracelets of silver;, "

meaning, among the garments of the people of Paradise is silk and Sundus, which is a high quality silk. These garments will be shirts and similar clothing from the undergarments.

Concerning Istabraq (velvet), from it there is that which has a glitter and shimmer to it, and it is that which is worn as outer clothes, just as is well-known in clothing.



They will be adorned with bracelets of silver-

This is a description of the righteous.

In reference to those who will be near to Allah, then their description is as Allah says,


Wherein they will be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls and their garments therein will be of silk. (22:23)

After Allah mentions the outward beautification with silk and ornaments, He then says,


and their Lord will give them a purifying drink.

meaning, it will purify their insides of envy, despise, hatred, harm and the other reprehensible character traits.

This is just as we have recorded from the Commander of the believers, `Ali bin Abi Talib, that he said,

"When the people of Paradise come to the Gate of Paradise, they will find two springs there. Then it will be as if they were inspired with what to do, so they will drink from one of them and Allah will remove whatever harmfulness there may be within them. Then they will bathe in the other spring and a glow of delight will run all over them. Thus, Allah informs of their outward condition and their inner beauty.''

the above is the interpretation of the verses u provided. I wonder how those justify your lies, frosbel

Evil Brain:

@OP
I agree that Frosbel is an annoying bigot and a frequent troll but this thread is as bad as anything he's ever done on this site.
In trying to fight a dark lord, you have become one yourself.

are u for real? I wonder why u all are not talking about what he said. frosbel gave a wrong interpretation to a verse of the Quran(note dat am aMuslim) and I have a right to make that known. Many people believe all he says thinking they are from the right sources.

I only wonder why he has to lie against the words of God for that matter to prove a point. he could have proven them without that. Imagine claiming homosexuality is in paradise? that is grave and you should give that a thought to understand my position here!

@Frosbel: « #10 on: Today at 03:29:12 PM »

[Quote]^^^^


Please explain the below :

Qur'an 56:13 ", Round about them will (serve) boys of perpetual (freshness), of never ending bloom, "

Qur'an 76:19 "And round them shall serve immortal boys of perpetual freshness, never altering in age. If you saw them, you would think they were scattered pearls."

Qur'an 76:21 "Upon them will be green garments of fine green silk and heavy gold brocade. They will be adorned with bracelets of silver;, "[/Quote]So you don't know that the people of Paradise are honored by Allah? Imagine if you are being honored with an official dinner by the Queen. What type of people that will be selected to serve you and the guests; an old man whose face is full of wrinkles in dirty clothing or the young adult, groomed up and handsome males? The scenery a the banquet will be a sight to behold. If England can so honored you, imagine the opulence that will be displayed in Paradise. I actually thought these verses are easy to understand if you put yourself in the place of the event.

That is your own interpretation !

I am not sure why boys will be described in such a fashion , does not sound right to me.

Historically speaking , sodomy was prevalent in Arabia and still is today , so it is no surprise that these verses are in the Quran. Why must they be little young boys with pearls on their arms    Why not adult servants, why not old men.

Madam you are defending the indefensible.

Your paradise is no paradise at all but a place of unbridled lust, sensual pleasure and perversion of the worst kind.

There are evidential images I have to prove my point, but I will rather not for the hideousness of it all and to avoid the defilement of fellow brothers and sisters.

Also can you explain to me what is the purpose of having a sex market in heaven, what madness is this    . Can ALLAH not think of any other more noble objective for his followers !!

Hadith:  Al hadiths, Vol. 4, Page-172, No.34:  Hozrot Ali (r.a) narrated that the Apostle of Allah said, “There is in paradise an open market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, at once he will have intercourse with them as desired.

accept you have been defeated and stop derailing the post

U quoted some verses, giving them wrong interpretations. Accept it and say you are sorry.

Muslims dont shy away from their belief. Unlike you, we do not say certain parts of the Qur'an are old school and so, if sodomy is what Qur'an talks about we simply would be here defending it. No matter what people say of polygamy after all, we defend it tooth and nail even if many of us wouldnt practice it.

I didnt post the above merely to give u a bad name. It is just to call d attention of u and others to what the anti Islam propaganda is about. These people invent lies against Islam and Muslims and all yu need do is think beyond your noses. Rather than do that, u accept all they say.

It is your business eventually. Each to his own. You would be alone in your grave and on judgement day and I will stand to say, I warned you.

May Allah accept all my effort, and the effort of fellow Muslims as Ibadah. May he open your eyes, heart, etc to light. I wish only goodness for you.nothing short of that

deols:

are u for real? I wonder why u all are not talking about what he said. frosbel gave a wrong interpretation to a verse of the Quran(note dat am aMuslim) and I have a right to make that known. Many people believe all he says thinking they are from the right sources.

I only wonder why he has to lie against the words of God for that matter to prove a point. he could have proven them without that. Imagine claiming homosexuality is in paradise? that is grave and you should give that a thought to understand my position here!

So what if he twisted the Quran a little bit? People twist the bible 100 times a day in this section (ask sweetnecta). People twist scientific theories like evolution all the time. People misrepresent politicians they don't like to make them look bad. They twist facts in articles.

Misrepresenting facts, adjusting the truth and mocking others is sadly the culture here on Nairaland. Just because Frosbel did it to you doesn't justify starting a thread just to attack him. That is the ultimate in trolling.

I dont twist the bible verses. if you know one I have, please present it, or forever hold your peace.

Evil Brain:

So what if he twisted the Quran a little bit? People twist the bible 100 times a day in this section (ask sweetnecta). People twist scientific theories like evolution all the time. People misrepresent politicians they don't like to make them look bad. They twist facts in articles.

Misrepresenting facts, adjusting the truth and mocking others is sadly the culture here on Nairaland. Just because Frosbel did it to you doesn't justify starting a thread just to attack him. That is the ultimate in trolling.

dat people do things all d time doesnt make it right. It is ds kind of thinking that makes things get from bad to worse. I am a Muslim first and am obliged to protect what is mine. You may not do same for your belief and I dont care.


You may not agree with my method But what am driving at is clear.
Do not quote what you have no knowledge of.
Do not copy and paste some sources just because they are against what you are against or believe what you believe
DOnt by the above mislead other people

Evil Brain:

So what if he twisted the Quran a little bit? People twist the bible 100 times a day in this section (ask sweetnecta). People twist scientific theories like evolution all the time. People misrepresent politicians they don't like to make them look bad. They twist facts in articles.

Misrepresenting facts, adjusting the truth and mocking others is sadly the culture here on Nairaland. Just because Frosbel did it to you doesn't justify starting a thread just to attack him. That is the ultimate in trolling.

I am baffled . truthfully so.

I do not need your help to resolve issues.

Gently leave this thread for the purpose for which is was created.

[Quote]« #23 on: Today at 08:28:00 PM »

That is your own interpretation !

I am not sure why boys will be described in such a fashion , does not sound right to me.

Historically speaking , sodomy was prevalent in Arabia and still is today , so it is no surprise that these verses are in the Quran. Why must they be little young boys with pearls on their arms  Undecided  Why not adult servants, why not old men.

Madam you are defending the indefensible.

Your paradise is no paradise at all but a place of unbridled lust, sensual pleasure and perversion of the worst kind.

There are evidential images I have to prove my point, but I will rather not for the hideousness of it all and to avoid the defilement of fellow brothers and sisters.

Also can you explain to me what is the purpose of having a sex market in heaven, what madness is this  Huh  . Can ALLAH not think of any other more noble objective for his followers !!

Hadith:  Al hadiths, Vol. 4, Page-172, No.34:  Hozrot Ali (r.a) narrated that the Apostle of Allah said, “There is in paradise an open market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, at once he will have intercourse with them as desired.[/Quote]They are the waiters mehn. I am sure you have not been in any high class establishment before with this poor village boy thinking. Expensive places have the best looking people in fancy uniform attending to guests. If man can design this, should God do less for those He is please with? Frosbel is a bush man still, with all his londoner image.

deols:

dat people do things all d time doesnt make it right. It is ds kind of thinking that makes things get from bad to worse. I am a Muslim first and am obliged to protect what is mine. You may not do same for your belief and I dont care.


You may not agree with my method But what am driving at is clear.
Do not quote what you have no knowledge of.
Do not copy and paste some sources just because they are against what you are against or believe what you believe
DOnt by the above mislead other people

My last statement for tonight and maybe for good on this thread.

Most of us ( many have given up now ) who make statements, do so after careful study of the scriptures called the Quran.

I have a quran myself , I have read parts of the Quran and having lived in Northern Nigeria for years and seen the spilling of blood first hand, having seen little girls going out with old men in Kano especially , I cannot come to any other conclusion than the position I have clearly taken at all times.

Obviously it is slightly different in the south, where a more liberal form of ISLAM is practised, if there is such a thing.

The verses I quoted were from the QURAN and Hadiths.

You get angry when we quote these verses , and yet they are your holy scripture.

Do not be ashamed of your books, accept them for what they are  

frosbel:

I am baffled . truthfully so.

I do not need your help to resolve issues.

Gently leave this thread for the purpose for which is was created.

too bad . the guy was only being u know,

Sweetnecta:

They are the waiters mehn. I am sure you have not been in any high class establishment before with this poor village boy thinking. Expensive places have the best looking people in fancy uniform attending to guests. If man can design this, should God do less for those He is please with? Frosbel is a bush man still, with all his londoner image.

thank u sir, donno ow come dat is hard for him to get. Weddings in Nigeria have well dressed waiters, let alone paradise.

I used to as a kid wonder how we would live in d paradise Qur'an describes. When I started seeing cribs(a show) and I marveled at the buildings on earth, I realised God can definitely do much more. Point is if you think you dont deserve certain things u wont dream of them.