kokaneprodigy:

We all know United has been woeful, need I talk abt Chelsea? Leicester city is very much within range all we need do is win today and beat Leicester in our next fixture which I'm sure we can do and we will.

LogoDWhiz:



Is Ranieri better than Wenger?

4llerbuntu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDBS6wnfY5c

kokaneprodigy:
NO

LogoDWhiz:
Spy360, can you now say Ranieri is better than Wenger?

From your own theory!

Spy360:

Ranieri has shown that he can be world class even at the twilight of his career.

Nevertheless he has enjoyed certain fortunes this season; little or no injuries, very few games etc.

I could easily say from what he has been able to achieve so far this season that he is better, but he needs to prove me right.

LogoDWhiz:


Lol!

You're changing mouth gradually!


The bolded is all I need!

proudlysports:
Assume he improved them? Leicester were fighting relegation last season and are now top of the table! He vastly improved them.

Guys,
Leicester have lost only 2 games this season and have played ALL their 'tough' games except at home to Arsenal. That's stuff champions are made of. If they don't win it, they messed up. Whichever way it goes, they have achieved a lot!

Arenal have lost 6 and are yet to play at least 3 tough games

Keky:
12 points behind leicester but still watch them worry about us not winning the league.

Spy360:

This is not Ranieri's first job, he had been at Chelsea and Juventus and won nothing.

This Leicester momentum didn't actually start with him, it started last season under a different manager. This team was built by someone else.

Lets assume he improved them, he has to show it on a consistent basis. That is why I said he has to prove me right.

Wenger has proven himself on a consistent basis.

Spy360:

This is not Ranieri's first job, he had been at Chelsea and Juventus and won nothing.

This Leicester momentum didn't actually start with him, it started last season under a different manager. This team was built by someone else.

Lets assume he improved them, he has to show it on a consistent basis. That is why I said he has to prove me right.

Wenger has proven himself on a consistent basis.

LogoDWhiz:


Lol!

I get your angle though. Consistency.


But then, when you were arguing with me the other time, you didn't take into cognizance the fact that consistency is key. You were all about the present form and the position they are on the table!

Spy360:

My point is that those we call 'big coaches' because they win titles in most cases succeed because of the MATERIALS available to them.

Take for example Luis Enrique, he just won best manager after leading Barca to six titles or so last season. But many forget that his first coaching job was at Roma and he almost got them relegated before he was sacked. His second job was at Celta Vigo, the same thing happened. Suddenly he joins Barca and he has become best manager.

Where is Frank Rijkaard today?

If tomorrow Gary Neuville joins Madrid and wins Copa they tell us he is top manager.

For me a true test of a manager's acumen is how effective he manages within his limited resources. You use Messi, Neymar and Suarez to win a league and think you are a classical manager. Nonsense.

Give me Barca, all I need to do is give the boys ice cream, and they will win me six trophies.

raumdeuter:


WHen you were telling us Wenger was better than Mourinho, did you take into consideration previous seasons that you are using to discredit Ranieiri?

Before this season How many times has Wenger ever done better than Mourinho. You used this season to say Wenger is better but now dancing azonto to use the same reasoning to boldly tell us Pocchetino and Ranieiri are better than wenger

Spy360:

I respect the following coaches...

Wenger, Pocchentino, Ranieri, Flores, Howe, Martinez, even Garde , others are Allegri, Conte, Tuchel, Simeone, Sarri etc

I do not respect Mourinho, Enrique, Mancini, Guardiola, etc. My lack of respect is because they are not judged on the same scale as others. They are hyped.

Take for example Mourinho, just one challenge he faced at Chelsea, the team comes crashing.

I think LvG is underated recently, mainly due to his pride. He comes accross as too arrogant. Besides which I respect him as a good manager.

My sentiment with Wenger apart, he is good because he plays good football and maintains his club at a top level position consistently even with average players. Give him kids, he will still give you good soccer and finish in the top 4. That is without doubt.

Pocchentino has consistently been remarkable bringing up young players. His work with Southampton and now with Tottenham earns him my respect.

Ranieri, may be he has stopped tinkering. He needs to show consistency too.

Guardiola they say is the best tactically but can he do it without breaking bank? I will respect him after I see him when he joins Man City next season. But he should manage what he has got, not that he will rush to sign Neymar and Pogba. If given the same squad Pelligrini has got, I doubt if he will do better. On that basis I think he may be overrated.

BarcaBlood:



Luis Enrique is d best manager, and that's not only because he's coaching barca that has MSN. His tactics has given barca a direct approach 2 games and removed that predictable style barca is known 4.
Managing superstars is even harder; that's 1 thing pple don't get. D league he won went down 2 d last 2 games so its not a walk in d park like ure making it seem. Or can u give ronaldo, benzema, bale and all d array of stars @ madrid ice cream and win dem their 2nd league title in 8 years?


A manager can only manage what's given 2 him, so its unfair using his bad experience @ roma 2 judge him, its like judging mourinho with dis season where he almost got relegated

kokaneprodigy:
pep will pull a Mourinho, u heard it first.
Man city were unfair to Pellegrini watch them drop more points after that announcement.

Spy360:

I mentioned it first. Lol!!

Unless he gets Pogba and Neymar to join Aguero and Silva.

That has always been their trick. They rush to a new club, sign super stars, win two titles and by the time the clubs begin to get them settled for development work, they jet out.

kokaneprodigy:
it won't even still guarantee them, one thing about Epl team is the fact majority of them clubs can compete in the transfer market.
So it ain't lopsided like la liga and Bundesliga and the French league.
I recently checked the top 20 richest clubs in Europe and found 8 epl teams there, leaving the remaining 12 spots for the other leagues in Europe to share.
It'll interest u that westham made the list and Tottenham the 7th epl team to make the list is richer than Athletico madrid the third riches in Spain.
Reason You'll always find one or two quality players in every team in Epl.
My point is, he won't be the only active manager in the transfer market in England unlike Spain and Bundesliga where Barca, Real Madrid and Bayern respectively take the best players the league gat to offer and leave the crumbs for others.

Spy360:

My point is that those we call 'big coaches' because they win titles in most cases succeed because of the MATERIALS available to them.

Take for example Luis Enrique, he just won best manager after leading Barca to six titles or so last season. But many forget that his first coaching job was at Roma and he almost got them relegated before he was sacked. His second job was at Celta Vigo, the same thing happened. Suddenly he joins Barca and he has become best manager.

Where is Frank Rijkaard today?

If tomorrow Gary Neuville joins Madrid and wins Copa they tell us he is top manager.

For me a true test of a manager's acumen is how effective he manages within his limited resources. You use Messi, Neymar and Suarez to win a league and think you are a classical manager. Nonsense.

Give me Barca, all I need to do is give the boys ice cream, and they will win me six trophies.

Spy360:

Diego Simeone didn't need an MSN to win the league.

For me a good manager must not win a league, I am rather interested in how he is able to make something out of nothing.

If Enrique had led Roma or Celta to a top 4 position, he would have earned my respect.

Lets imagine that MSN is taken away from him, can he still win the league? I doubt, STRONGLY.

AdeLaNa1:
This is just like saying "A good student doesn't necessarily need to get all As in WAEC. All he has to do is get all Cs and a couple of Ds b4 we can judge how smart/brilliant the student is".

Yes Wenger has managed Arsenal's money well and has consistently kept Arsenal in the UCL group stages for like 19 seasons now. And bcoz of it, Arsenal is now one of EPL's richest teams. Of what use is making money if u ll not spend it to win trophies??

If Wenger had even managed to win a league title or UCL in dis time period, then i would ve been inclined to go with this ur half baked theory.

This is the kind of myopic and vague reasoning that has made u Arsenal fans comfortable with just 2 FA Cups in 11 years. That my friend is nothing short of failure!!

Spy360:

I respect the following coaches...

Wenger, Pocchentino, Ranieri, Flores, Howe, Martinez, even Garde , others are Allegri, Conte, Tuchel, Simeone, Sarri etc

I do not respect Mourinho, Enrique, Mancini, Guardiola, etc. My lack of respect is because they are not judged on the same scale as others. They are hyped.

kokaneprodigy:

Ur long sighted reasoning couldn't make u qualify for knock out stages. let's c if ur long sighted reasoning will get u a UCL spot this season

AdeLaNa1:
Maybe ur long sighted reasoning will win u the UCL this season?? Or maybe it will win u the league this season??
We are discussing A, u are bringing C into the equation. If u ve nothing reasonable to say, fûck off my mentions pls and stop displaying ur rare case of chronic stupîdity for us all to see....

kokaneprodigy:

No We are MYOPIC and the myopic reasoning will.