kizito96:

Michelle is a Lawyer who earns more than the husband, She can afford any luxury first lady or not. Some of her aids are those she had before the first lady issue. She pays most of them from her pocket. Our First Lady Patience ha been a house wife and never had any source of lively hood. She now has 3 vessels that transfer oil from the ship at sea to the deport

Kobojunkie:

That is actually very wrong perception. There are college professors who spend their time updating WikiPedia pages and will tell you they are quite reliable as long as you keep in mind, that just like books, you have references on there to dig into if you question any of the information presented.
In the Science community, Wikipedia holds a place . . . So, don't just assume that because one or two people claim Wiki is wrong, then it is sensible for you to assume that as fact.

alj harem:

Dmainboss, wereperi ans funkymallam I don't still get your points. Lets state facts here

1. Are all the aids needed by her as the first lady of Nigeria ? Yes or No

2. If "Yes" for what and what is their jobs descriptions.

3. The government wants to cut funds by removing fuel subsidy which was a life line of the microeconomy. Food, transport etc has all gone up by 120% over night

4. The same leader is now doing double standards by not cutting his own expenses.

5. A LEADER CAN NEVER BE RESPECTED IF HE/SHE DOES NOT PRACTISE WHAT THEY PREACH. Fact !!!

You cannot reduce my expenses and you still be living large. Life does not work that way.

6. There is not comparison of Nigeria and america. They have a good government system that is transparent and honest with the people (to a reasonable standards) Nigeria has none.

7. It is taken 10 years for Nigeria to repair Benin-ore road that has killed over 200 people within those years, It took america less than 3 years to build the world trade center back and infact they built 2 of it.

8. The economy and democracy in America is Waaaayyyyyy better than that of Nigeria. Tribalism does not occur in America unlike likes of dmainboss and co calling others parasites. They are mature, we are not

9. Resources are shared regardless of region or ethnicity . Nigeria 13 % extra is given to the Niger-delta region and NDDC was formed to further enrich the elites of the region and the people are fine with it so long as he is for there region. No america demands accountability.

The comparison is a bit thick I must say

jmaine:

The cynics are helplessly tongue tied . . . This Funkymallam trap na correct one . . .guy na who design this trap for you na . . .na indians ?

Funkymallam:

U r still dancing about here.
Who called Dame Patience here?

Shy-One:

I agree with Alj Harem and Bloodless from page 1.

Also @ kobojunkie, I understand your point.  But let me tell you what professors at Northwestern University, University of Notre Dame, University of Wisconsin-Madison have stated to their classes, NEVER QUOTE WIKIPEDIA.  Every single topic in Wikipedia is submitted by ANYONE AND EVERYONE on the planet who are worthy and who are unworthy to define fiction or fact about topics they know nothing about but once they are done, Wikipedia has made them an expert to outsiders who don't know any better.  Wiki is not a reliable source and if you reference it, that reference will not count and YOUR GRADE WILL SUFFER.  Quote Wiki at your own risk.  After that first and last grade letter of (F) - I stopped quoting Wikipedia.

Shy-One:

You know Michelle Obama pushes the "little person", she gives outsiders and little known entrepreneurs and newcomers, a shot (clothing designers).  Michelle and Barack shop at stores that the commoners and the average Americans shop at, they don't just buy or wear designer clothing, they also buy off the rack at stores that many Americans shop at, this is done intentionally to show their support for "those who struggle."  She does it intentionally.  Does Patience do the same?  Does Patience go and shop in the markets and move amongst the people as the Obamas  do?

dmainboss:

http://www.ourchangingglobe.com/how-many-personal-assistants-does-michelle-obama-have/



The following article and figures come from the Canadian Free Press and was written by Dr. Paul L. Williams

No, Michele Obama does not get paid to serve as the First Lady and she doesn’t perform any official duties. But this hasn’t deterred her from hiring an unprecedented number of staffers to cater to her every whim and to satisfy her every request in the midst of the Great Recession.

Just think, Mary Lincoln was taken to task for purchasing china for the White House during the Civil War. And Mamie Eisenhower had to shell out the salary for her personal secretary from her husband’s salary.

Total Personal Staff members for other first ladies paid by taxpayers:

Mamie Eisenhower - One Paid for personally out of President’s salary.
Jackie Kennedy - One
Roseline Carter - One
Barbara Bush - One
Hilary Clinton - Three
Laura Bush - One
Michele Obama - Twenty-two

How things have changed! If you’re one of the tens of millions of Americans facing certain destitution, earning less than subsistence wages stocking the shelves at Wal-Mart or serving up McDonald cheeseburgers, prepare to scream and then come to realize that the benefit package for these servants of Ms. Michelle are the same as members of the national security and defense departments and the bill for these assorted lackeys is paid by YOU,
John Q.Public.

Michele Obama’s personal staff:

One $172,200 Sher, Susan (Chief Of Staff)
Two $140,000 Frye, Jocelyn C. (Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of
Policy And Projects For The First Lady)
Three $113,000 Rogers, Desiree G. (Special Assistant to the President and White House
Social Secretary for Mrs. Obama)
Four $102,000 Johnston, Camille Y. (Special Assistant to the President and Director of Communications
for the First Lady)
Five $100,000 Winter, Melissa (Special Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief Of Staff to the First
Lady)
Six $90,000 Medina , David S. (Deputy Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
Seven $84,000 Lilyveld, Catherine M. (Director and Press Secretary to the First Lady)
Eight $75,000 Starkey, Frances M. (Director of Scheduling and Advance for the First Lady)
Nine $70,000 Sanders, Trooper (Deputy Director of Policy and Project for the First Lady)
Ten $65,000 Burnough, Erinn (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
Eleven $64,000 Reinstein, Joseph B.(Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
Twelve $62,000 Goodman, Jennifer R. (Deputy Director of Scheduling and Events Coordinator For The First
Lady)
Thirteen $60,000 Fitz, Alan O.(Deputy Director of Advance and Trip Director for the First Lady)
Fourteen. $57,500 Lewis, Dana M. (Special Assistant and Personal Aide to the First Lady)
Fifteen $52,500 Mustaphi, Semonti M. (Associate Director and Deputy Press Secretary To The First Lady)
Sixteen $50,000 Jarvis, Kristen E. (Special Assistant for Scheduling and Traveling Aide To The First Lady)
Seventeen $45,000 Lechtenberg, Tyler A. (Associate Director of Correspondence For The First Lady)
Eighteen $43,000 Tubman, Samanth a (Deputy Associate Director, Social Office)
Nineteen $40,000 Boswell, Joseph J. (Executive Assistant to the Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
Twenty $36,000 Armbruster, Sally M. (Staff Assistant to the Social Secretary)
Twenty-One, $35,000 Bookey, Natalie (Staff Assistant)
Twenty-Two $35,000 Jackson, Deilia A. (Deputy Associate Director of Correspondence for the First Lady)

Total $1,591,200 in annual salaries !!!

Note: The above list doesn’t include makeup artist Ingrid Grimes-Miles, 49, and “First Hairstylist” Johnny Wright, 31, both of whom traveled aboard Air Force One to Europe.

It’s not clear who sets up Michelle’s photo ops and soup kitchens but it’s somewhat clear what kind of snacks the First Lady enjoys when she gets back to her hotel.


"The truth is, in order to get things like UHC (Universal Health Care) and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of pie so that someone else can have more".
“The truth is, in order to get things like UHC (Universal Health Care) and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of pie so that someone else can have more”.
Michelle Obama

And one can but wonder why this and similar information has to come from foreign press, perhaps because the USA is close to not having a free press; not a right wing one anyway.

alj harem:

Or even GEJ, it still does not change the message  

mpmp:

[size=16pt]If only Nigeria's present first-lady could spend as much on getting an English teacher to teach her how to speak correct English, her vocabularious thunderings won't be ringing louder than boko haram's bombs.[/size]

Shy-One:

^^^^

First question, Why would you waste your valuable time?  My time is too valuable to waste messing with Wikipedia.  But hey, I'm not knocking you, if you have the time to waste then help yourself.  I just want to make sure that "other readers" know the risks  http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=4461, readers who value their grades and are attending universities DON'T REFERENCE WIKIPEDIA  http://beyond-school.org/2010/01/03/wikipedia-wikipedia-is-not-a-reliable-source/, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1369330.html

Shy-One:

Wikipedia is a time waster, why pull it up and then have to backtrack and double check and cross check and cross reference it's information against a credible source just to make sure the creator of the Wikipedia entry, knows what they are talking about?

Shy-One:

Second question,  how many universities have you attended?  And why would you utilize wikipedia when most professors at well-known and highly credible universities ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to acknowledge or accept anything from Wikipedia?  If your professors are accepting it, that is NOT THE NORM.

Kobojunkie:

But you there assume what applies to you ABSOLUTELY applies to me. I don't waste my time. Infact WikiPedia is my way of getting straight to what I need rather than spending hours checking websource after websoure for what I want.

? It is rare that I even use a "web source", wikipedia or otherwise in any paper.  My experience with students who use the internet to write their paper is that "they want to rush and get done and usually their grade reflects that",  My norm is to browse libraries for quality content.  But because of the controversy and negative reception Wikipedia receives in MOST academic circles, AS A PERSON OF HIGH INTELLECT which you present yourself as being, my question to you was why even "go to wikipedia" when more acceptable search engines and websites gives you multiple options that aren't Wikipedia based.  But hey, just my question and a small question at that,

It is interesting that for you, posts on places like beyond-school.org, ubuntuforums.org and www.ajr.org , you would consider more reliable. Interesting !!

I am writing a paper, I am having a chat, an apple and an orange, though both are fruit, are incomparable.  It is interesting that you put an informal chat on the same level as a formal academic prose/thesis or paper? and then question my hyperlinks?? smh

You wanting to make sure your readers know risks is fine but I am not one of the newbies who has does not know that ANYTHING on the internet is as UNRELIABLE as any book out there in the stores, or in the libraries.

Listing Wikipedia makes you sound like a newbie, that's the problem with listing Wikipedia informally or formally, people then start questioning your legitimacy as well, even in a conversation, just saying.

I am sorry Wikipedia is a timewaster for you. It is not a time waster for me so I cannot say I understand you there.
You did not read my post at all, did you? Again, I said, Wikipedia ITSELF is not the source, the information contained and the various references, link  serve that purpose. You doubt one, you check another reference, and another, and then another, and then another . . .  get it??

I read your post, clearly and you did say everything that you said, but I still am stating that Wikipedia is a time waster, Why go to Wikipedia and get any information?  Because in the end, you are still going to a source outside of Wikipedia to cross check its legitimacy.  I understand your thought process of using Wiki to go "straight to" the sources it cites.  Well if you can use Wiki as a tool to get to the sources Wiki cites, my thought is to just go to those sources through Google if you insist on citing an internet source.

Your School's Library online database has a search engine that will bury Wikipedia and Google and if you contact any librarian at your university or college they will produce via phone and list of sources you can check out and cite that is longer and higher than you stand tall.  So that's just my question to you?  Anyway I did read your posts and do agree with most of what you have contributed to the thread, I just am surprised at anyone who wastes time on Wikipedia.

gameaddict:

@kobojunkie: These people don't know what they are saying, ignore them.

@all those challenging wikipedia as a valid resource: I bet most of you don't know what makes a resource valid. I can also bet that most of you only use the internet for silly, time wasting activities.
Whether you like it or not, wikipedia is more important and far better than most encyclopedias out there, paper or digital. It is part of what makes the internet the 'INTERNET'. That it allows content to be edited by users is no reason to challenge its usefulness. Those who make that mistake just prove that their knowledge is archaic and their learning process needs improvement. Learn to use WIKIPEDIA before you bash it.

dmainboss:

http://www.ourchangingglobe.com/how-many-personal-assistants-does-michelle-obama-have/



The following article and figures come from the Canadian Free Press and was written by Dr. Paul L. Williams

No, Michele Obama does not get paid to serve as the First Lady and she doesn’t perform any official duties. But this hasn’t deterred her from hiring an unprecedented number of staffers to cater to her every whim and to satisfy her every request in the midst of the Great Recession.

Just think, Mary Lincoln was taken to task for purchasing china for the White House during the Civil War. And Mamie Eisenhower had to shell out the salary for her personal secretary from her husband’s salary.

Total Personal Staff members for other first ladies paid by taxpayers:

Mamie Eisenhower - One Paid for personally out of President’s salary.
Jackie Kennedy - One
Roseline Carter - One
Barbara Bush - One
Hilary Clinton - Three
Laura Bush - One
Michele Obama - Twenty-two

How things have changed! If you’re one of the tens of millions of Americans facing certain destitution, earning less than subsistence wages stocking the shelves at Wal-Mart or serving up McDonald cheeseburgers, prepare to scream and then come to realize that the benefit package for these servants of Ms. Michelle are the same as members of the national security and defense departments and the bill for these assorted lackeys is paid by YOU,
John Q.Public.

Michele Obama’s personal staff:

One $172,200 Sher, Susan (Chief Of Staff)
Two $140,000 Frye, Jocelyn C. (Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of

And one can but wonder why this and similar information has to come from foreign press, perhaps because the USA is close to not having a free press; not a right wing one anyway.

? It is rare that I even use a "web source", wikipedia or otherwise in any paper.  My experience with students who use the internet to write their paper is that "they want to rush and get done and usually their grade reflects that",   My norm is to browse libraries for quality content.  But because of the controversy and negative reception Wikipedia receives in MOST academic circles, AS A PERSON OF HIGH INTELLECT which you present yourself as being, my question to you was why even "go to wikipedia" when more acceptable search engines and websites gives you multiple options that aren't Wikipedia based.  But hey, just my question and a small question at that,

I am writing a paper, I am having a chat, an apple and an orange, though both are fruit, are incomparable.  It is interesting that you put an informal chat on the same level as a formal academic prose/thesis or paper? and then question my hyperlinks?? smh