koruji:

Seeing that you are a veritable Yoruba history resource person on NL may I inquire concerning a certain writer. I came across Dierk Lange's writing on the net in the past year and have read some of his writings bearing on explaining how most of the ethnic groups in Nigeria got there.

I waited for about a year to read an upcoming paper of his titled "Origin of the Yoruba and “The Lost Tribes of Israel”". It finally showed up late last year. My impression of the connections he made between fleeing Assyrian/Egyptian/Israelite refuges in the 8th century B.C. and some of the peoples of northern Nigeria in the other papers were always tenuous. However, he seems to have gone completely overboard with his attempt to link the oral tradition of Oyo-Yoruba kings to this same group, but particularly the lost 10 tribes of Israel.

For example, this is the kind of "links" he makes: [size=14pt]Alaafin Abiọdun (of the oral Oyo tradition) became  Nabopolassar (Nabû-apla-usur) of ancient Babylon[/size]. Not realizing that Abiodun has direct Yoruba meaning he often argues that the previous names were corrupted to those in the oral history. See the paper here: Origin of the Yoruba and The Lost Tribes of Israel

I am concerned about this writer because references have since shown up on Wikipedia refering to the "discovery" of a link between Yoruba and the 10 lost tribes of Israel.

Are you familiar with this author or this type of approach to history? If so, could you please share your opinion on this paper.

koruji:

Seeing that you are a veritable Yoruba history resource person on NL may I inquire concerning a certain writer. I came across Dierk Lange's writing on the net in the past year and have read some of his writings bearing on explaining how most of the ethnic groups in Nigeria got there.

I waited for about a year to read an upcoming paper of his titled "Origin of the Yoruba and “The Lost Tribes of Israel”". It finally showed up late last year. My impression of the connections he made between fleeing Assyrian/Egyptian/Israelite refuges in the 8th century B.C. and some of the peoples of northern Nigeria in the other papers were always tenuous. However, he seems to have gone completely overboard with his attempt to link the oral tradition of Oyo-Yoruba kings to this same group, but particularly the lost 10 tribes of Israel.

For example, this is the kind of "links" he makes: [size=14pt]Alaafin Abiọdun (of the oral Oyo tradition) became  Nabopolassar (Nabû-apla-usur) of ancient Babylon[/size]. Not realizing that Abiodun has direct Yoruba meaning he often argues that the previous names were corrupted to those in the oral history. See the paper here: Origin of the Yoruba and The Lost Tribes of Israel

I am concerned about this writer because references have since shown up on Wikipedia refering to the "discovery" of a link between Yoruba and the 10 lost tribes of Israel.

Are you familiar with this author or this type of approach to history? If so, could you please share your opinion on this paper.

hercules07:

@Kats

Ibadan will still kick all of una behind, you know we captured your general Ogendengbe several times (very brave and honorable man), kai, if not for the british, we would have dealt with all these small villages calling themselves towns, imagine the Ijeshas and Ekitis talking where Ibadans are  (Ifes are nonentities, Modakeke dey kampe). Warring was a past time, heck, whenever a new Baale was chosen in Ibadan, the next thing is to declare war even for flimsy reasons. The Ilorins were cunning sha, but, the burning desire in the heart of all yorubas was to get Ilorin back (infighting no let them achieve am sha).

Negro_Ntns:

yeah, hurry up and do that. . . . . I was wondering why my name wasn't on the list?   

Look at this Lagos man; your people were hiding behind the British when all the men were fighting. 

Katsumoto:

Why are you so scared

You are with Onlytruth on this? A comment from someone (onlytruth) whose people settled communal disputes through wrestling contests when Oyo and Ibadan had some of the most advanced Infantry and Cavalry units in Africa. The first set of rifles purchased by Igbo people were the 12 rifles Ojukwu boasted about just before the start of the civil war.

Your comments about sword swinging is ignorant at best. Yoruba had been using guns in warfare since the 17th century.

Quit trolling.

Dede1:


Since then, Fulani, Hausa and Kanuri do not sleep with both eyes closed when Ndigbo are closely.

~Sauron~:

The Ndigbos must have forgotten this tactic/technique during the Biafra war.

~Sauron~:

The Ndigbos must have forgotten this tactic/technique during the Biafra war.

~Sauron~:

The Ndigbos must have forgotten this tactic/technique during the Biafra war.

Dede1:

You are a funny chap indeed. When Alaafin of Oyo under Oba Atiba was losing every capital of the Oyo Empire, from Old Oyo, Oyo-Ile to Ago oja, and towns and villages such as Ogbomosho, Osogbo, Osi, Otun, Aisegba, Ikole and Itaji to Sokoto Caliphate, you should have inquire who are the people that advised and helped the Yoruba to beat a tactical retreat which instigated the onslaught witnessed at Osogbo.

After a bitter lesson taught to Sokoto Caliphate Cavalry at the northern fringes of Igbo land, a war popularly known as Hausa/Akagbe debacle, Igbo warriors were dispatched to teach the Bashoruns and Baloguns of Ibadan tactical approach needed for jungle warfare. Before this interaction, Sokoto Caliphate was kicking Yoruba arse uncontrollable.  

Since then, Fulani, Hausa and Kanuri do not sleep with both eyes closed when Ndigbo are closely.

Dede1:

You are a funny chap indeed. When Alaafin of Oyo under Oba Atiba was losing every capital of the Oyo Empire, from Old Oyo, Oyo-Ile to Ago oja, and towns and villages such as Ogbomosho, Osogbo, Osi, Otun, Aisegba, Ikole and Itaji to Sokoto Caliphate, you should have inquire who are the people that advised and helped the Yoruba to beat a tactical retreat which instigated the onslaught witnessed at Osogbo.

After a bitter lesson taught to Sokoto Caliphate Cavalry at the northern fringes of Igbo land, a war popularly known as Hausa/Akagbe debacle, Igbo warriors were dispatched to teach the Bashoruns and Baloguns of Ibadan tactical approach needed for jungle warfare. Before this interaction, Sokoto Caliphate was kicking Yoruba arse uncontrollable. 

Since then, Fulani, Hausa and Kanuri do not sleep with both eyes closed when Ndigbo are closely.

Kilode?!:

LOL @ Hausa/Akagbe Debacle 

Is that a video game war?

Is it on PS3?

~Sauron~:

The Ndigbos must have forgotten this tactic/technique during the Biafra war.

Kilode?!:

LOL @ Hausa/Akagbe Debacle

Is that a video game war?

Is it on PS3?

Kilode?!:

LOL @ Hausa/Akagbe Debacle

Is that a video game war?

Is it on PS3?

Kilode?!:

LOL @ Hausa/Akagbe Debacle

Is that a video game war?

Is it on PS3?

Hell NO!!!

Probably the game is available on Spectrum ZX80

Katsumoto:

Why are you so scared

You are with Onlytruth on this? A comment from someone (onlytruth) whose people settled communal disputes through wrestling contests when Oyo and Ibadan had some of the most advanced Infantry and Cavalry units in Africa[b]. The first set of rifles purchased by Igbo people were the 12 rifles Ojukwu boasted about just before the start of the civil war. [/b]

Your comments about sword swinging is ignorant at best. Yoruba had been using guns in warfare since the 17th century.

Quit trolling.

Look at this Lagos man; your people were hiding behind the British when all the men were fighting.

Andre Uweh:

How on earth can you chat the above. Anyway, since you do not know, most Aro wars with the British and eastern Nigerian groups in 19th century were fought with modern weapons. Apart from the Aros, the Afaras, Ibekus, Ovims, Uzuakoli, Oboros and other Umuahia groups fought with modern weapons. All this weapons are there till date at War museum Umuahia. Go and see things there for your knowledge.

Negro_Ntns:

we didnt know there was war to our North. You cant hear the cling clang sound of metal swords that far away. Tell them to use nuclear next time.

Do I need to remind you that all those who went to Lagos were running from wars?

Katsumoto:

Ogedengbe was captured only once by Babalola and not many times and he isn't my general. I don't want to reveal where I am from but my people are warriors hardened by several centuries of war. We wouldn't need to align with Yoruba states, it would take all of 5 secs to sack Ibadan. 

Look at this Lagos man; your people were hiding behind the British when all the men were fighting. 

Ufeolorun:


[b]Eyo [/b]would have saved them with Opa anyway

Kilode?!:

LOL @ Hausa/Akagbe Debacle  

Is that a video game war?

Is it on PS3?

Katsumoto:

It was more likely a disagreement between traders (from Benue) over some tubers of yam. . .

Debacle ko Armageddon ni.  

Negro_Ntns:

  we didnt know there was war to our North. 

Katsumoto:

Every man running around in a jungle refusing to surrender is not a war; it is not even a skirmish. That's just being stubborn.

Every single indigene of Lagos is a decendant of refugees fleeing wars, skirmishes. . .

But You mean British naval rafts right?

Was that the reason why Oba Akinsemoyin invited those animalistic portuguese in to trade in slaves? That Also fanned the embers of war in the "Yoruba" hinterland.

Everybody trying to sell something.

You dropped the ball Eko folks, you guys should have covered that flank properly, you let the long nosed liars in

Dede1:

Ndigbo did not forget the tactics however what took place is the risk involved when one teaches close neighbors one or two things about oneself. You should inquire why 3MCDO and 2nd Division of Nigerian Army were mostly populated with elements/characters drown from southern Nigerian ethnicities.