elampiro:


This is a lie. Chicharito did not have 1.7 shot per game when taken down to 90 minutes played rather than the substitutions time he had. Substitution roles dropped Chicha's figures in both seasons.

The number of shots dont even tell the position of a player but the the zone where the shots were taken shows the position. Rooney and Chicha did not play in same Zone



1. Rooney took most of his shots from outside of the box as I have already shown. This meant his playing zone was different from Chichrito and Welbeck.


2. You brought shot from set plays for all competition to try to reduce Rooney's shots from outside of the box in the EPL games..

3. Even if we were to tow your line. It would mean Chicharito did not have any shot outside of the box.

1. All Shots
Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box
Rooney............... 84.........................73
Chicharito........... 6...........................41
Welbeck............. 14......................... 66
Berbatov............. 1...........................15


2. You refused to provide shots from set play for the EPL games only. However, I decided to prorate the figures you earlier provided for all competitions to isolate only for EPL.

Shots from open play. (Shots from set play deducted).

Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box
Rooney............... 60.........................67
Chicharito........... 0...........................41
Welbeck............. 4......................... 66
Berbatov............. 0...........................13


This is clear indication that Rooney played in the hole while Chicharito and the other played in the number 9.

Harvard13:

yepa! pls dont compare ANYONE to messi biko not to talk of someone who isnt a guaranteed starter for argentina. his goals number aint even exciting

Harvard13:

yepa! pls dont compare ANYONE to messi biko not to talk of someone who isnt a guaranteed starter for argentina. his goals number aint even exciting

sinizia:


You argue blindly. Nobody had said that Ozil has met his expectations at Arsenal yet. He hasn't delivered to the standards Arsenal expect of him. Ozil wasn't in this equation, you brought him into this all in the name of saving face for your Rooney.!

sinizia:

The fact is that Ozil won't be bought by ANY team for the purpose of scoring goals. He's not a striker!! Stop this useless argument. Also, Rooney will never be bought by ANY team for the sake of creating assists or the midfield role which is Ozil's job.

sinizia:
. When Mourinho came for Rooney, wasn't he looking for a striker due to he had Chelshit flops like Torres and Eto'o or not? I'm sure you will bring another lame excuse as to why Mourinho was came to buy Rooney to spearhead his attacks.

sinizia:

Rooney scored those goals (1 away goal all season) while eating €300K per week, but other strikers eating as less as £50K per week outscored him in Europe. That's why we are mad at Rooney!! He's over-paid!! Hole or no hole. He's a striker and he's spent. He needs to be sold or take a pay cut!!

Lies, Ferguson did not buy Rooney for the purpose of scoring goals only. This wasnt his strongest quality before United bought him. Rooney was not even Everton top scorer across those two seasons before SAF bought him.

Rooney at Everton:
Goals= 15
Assists= 17

So why do you think SAF bought him?

How many away games did he play as the top striker?

elampiro:


See hypocrisy of the highest order. Coming from someone who brought in Kane, Aguero, Lampard, Suarez, Ronaldo, Messi, Ibrahimovic, Beteke, etc. You see how much you cannot see things from two sides of an equation. .

coogar:


why are you arguing like an illiterate?
firstly, you said rooney didn't take up to 157 shots that in the league that season even when his stats clearly showed he's having 4.6 shots per game. is 157/34 not 4.6?

coogar:

you lied i had counted all the shots rooney took in other competitions which means you don't even have any idea about how statistics are compiled. you have no clue, you cannot even understand numbers so i am not sure you are intellectually mature enough to speak on this matter.

in 11/12 season.....
rooney took 157 shots in 2839 mins
chicharito took 47 shots in 1477 mins

of rooney's 157 shots,
84 were from outside the box, 14 in the 6-yard box & 59 from the penalty box.

of chicha's 47 shots,
6 were from outside the box, 12 in the 6-yard box & 29 from the penalty box.

coogar:
.
rooney had double the number of minutes chicharito had & rooney had 51 extra shots from set piece to chicharito's 10. so how can you conclude rooney played behind when 1/3 of his shots were from freekicks outside the box?
are you a dreamer?

coogar:


of chicha's 47 shots,
6 were from outside the box, 12 in the 6-yard box & 29 from the penalty box.

rooney had double the number of minutes chicharito had & rooney had 51 extra shots from set piece to chicharito's 10. so how can you conclude rooney played behind when 1/3 of his shots were from freekicks outside the box?

are you a dreamer?

elampiro:

You are the one arguing like a village illiterate and trying to deceive people.

I dint not dispute his number of shots. But your shots from set plays were fraudulent to deceive people.

elampiro:
1. Your figures are even wrong. My figures there are only EPL apearances while yours are all competition. Pls restrict it to EPL.

I have already given you these stats s in the box below. You can see that Rooney's shot from outside the box shows he played as an AM.

All Shots
Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box
Rooney............... 84.........................73
Chicharito........... 6...........................41
Welbeck............. 14......................... 66
Berbatov............. 1...........................15


(a) You said Chicharito had six shots from outside the box.
(b) You said Chicharito had 10 shots from set piece.

Coogar, pls can you explain hos this is possible? This is why I said your shots from set play stats are fraudulent.

elampiro:

Coogar can you reconcile this? You see that your shots from set play has been fraudulent since yesterday?
Chicharito had 6 shots outside of the box, then you said he had 10 shots from set pieces. Was he taking his set pieces from inside of the box?

coogar:





chicharito had 6 shots outside the box...
10 shots from set piece(including 1 penalty kick) shots from set piece includes headers or shots he converted from another player's curved freekick or corner kick.

coogar:


whoscored is fraudulent?
everything that doesn't go your way is fraudulent. unfortunately, we know who to believe. i would be damned to believe an elampawa that vowed he saw scholes/keane in 1999 final of the champions league.

elampiro:

[b]
This alone is enough to end this argument. You are not even helping your argument.

All Shots
Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box
Rooney............... 84.........................73
Chicharito........... 6...........................41
Welbeck............. 14......................... 66
Berbatov............. 1...........................15

From your post above, it mean 51 out of Rooney's 73 shots from inside the box were from set plays he onverted from another players curve. This again shows that Rooney wouldnt even be in the box if not for his attempt to connect free kicks and crosses from other players like Giggs and Young.Nani.

coogar:


all of a sudden, elampawa has forgotten the bit where he disputed the figures cos he thought they were from all competitions. is this selective amnesia or digital blindness?
.

coogar:

this was the era rooney deliberately used to stand at the edge of the box to attempt his ridiculous volleys from corner kicks - trying to score his wonder-goals. besides, 90% of those set pieces were direct freekicks from mr. rooney.

elampiro:

I never disputed the figures. You dont pay attention to details. I disputed the shots from set play because you lied that Rooney took 51 shots from set play himself. Chicha took 10 himself. Berba and Welbeck, etc. Now I took you on it, it took you 24 hours to say the truth that it was their attempts from others set play. Even Smalling attempts from others set plays. So why did you lie to cause confusion in the facts I submitted?

You are telling more lies. Whoever will believe you again after you have been found out? Rooney had those 51 shots from inside the box, not outside. That is what I will take. Not your lies.

coogar:


who wrote this?


abi your 3rd wife has been logging into your NL account to write nonsense? look at what you replied to:-

https://www.nairaland.com/871307/official-manchester-united-fan-thread/1654#34181721

coogar:

and you are still lying here you didn't dispute my figures or lied that i added all his shots in all competitions. you need spiritual deliverance.
.

coogar:

no, it shows he played more minutes & shot more because he was the designated set piece taker. ronaldo had left & van persie hadn't arrived.
i didn't say so.....statistics said so. chicharito had 10 shots from set pieces.

coogar:

everything that doesn't go your way is fraudulent. unfortunately, we know who to believe. i would be damned to believe an elampawa that vowed he saw scholes/keane in 1999 final of the champions league.
chicharito had 6 shots outside the box...

coogar:


you are still lying in the face of evidence?
you are an edo born truly. lying with impunity is a hobby there. i said rooney took 43 shots from setpieces & anyone with common sense would know that includes direct freekicks, shots from corner kicks or even indirect freekicks outside the box. if your comprehension skills lead you to believe all the 43 shots were direct freekicks then blame your poor knowledge of the language.

coogar:



which 51 shots from inside the box. so rooney has 51 shots inside the box including all the direct freekicks he took? you might have to thaw the 2 brain cells in your cranium. it's frozen.

rooney played in the hole and he was the poorest chance creator amongst all the elite strikers in the league that year? even an ant knows you have been found out as the biggest liar this forum had seen.

elampiro:

The dispute was shots from set play. I knew you were lying that Rooney took 51 shots from set play. Now your lies are out after I probed you further.

Your yourself said your stats was about the receiver of the set piece and not the taker. So what are you saying here again to deceive us? Giggs and Young took most of our free kick that season.

Chicharito receive 10 shots from the set peiece takers and Rooney received 51 shots from the set piece takers. That is what your stat says.

You are the one who says everything is fraudulent or misleading when you are found out.

You rubbished whoscored and their ratings, you rubbished Assists when it favours Rooney, you said Scholes is an illiterate. You lied that Mourinho did not kick a ball before I showed you he played.

coogar:


this is a fraudulent statistics!
rooney's low percentage of shots taken inside the box were spiked because of his ridiculous number of set plays he took as shots from outside the box.

rooney(43 shots) + 8 penalties
chicha(9 shots)
welbeck(10 shots)
berbatov(3 shots) + 2 penalties


the true statistic would count only the shots taken via open play & not include setplays....

elampiro:

You are a manipulator. Even the devil is shocked at your lying ability. I asked you since yesterday to provide the number of free kicks Rooney took himself and the one Chicharito took himself, you said Chcihca took 10.

You never knew I would dig up the shots figures myself. You didnt know I will probe you on your alleged Chicha's 10 free kick taken.

Rooney spread his passes diagonally to his wingers which I evidenced with a lengthy video here in the past. He passed to them then ran into the bus to connect the crosses.

elampiro:


Coolieguy Tortoise posted this yesterday. He said categorically that these were numbers of set pieces taken by these players. Today that I am chanced, I probed him by asking him how possible Chicharito took only 6 shots outside the box, but ended up with more set place. Coogar now changed mouth that hmmm, hmmm actually these are shots received from set play by these players.


All in the name to make the figures less favourabale to Rooney.

mcdreeezy:
Una can argue for this thread walahi

coogar:


that's because a guy known elampiro here has a doctorate degree in lying.

rooney played in the hole in 11/12 and his minute/chance created is 56 mins.

other centre forwards in the league had....

RVP - 36 mins per chance
aguero - 46 mins per chance
adebayor - 47 mins per chance.

what is rooney doing in the hole if the supposedly goalscorers were creating chances at a higher rate than rooney?

elampiro:
[b]1. 2011/12 season. Shots from inside and outside the box.

Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box
Rooney............... 84.........................73
Chicharito........... 6...........................41
Welbeck............. 14......................... 66
Berbatov............. 1...........................15

This says it all. Rooney played in the hole. 83% of Chicharito's shots were from inside the box. 82% of Welbeck's shots were from inside the box. 93% of Berba's shots were from inside the box. Only 46% of Rooney's shots were from inside the box.



2. Further Breakdown.
Name.........Outside the box......Inside the penalty area.....Inside the six yard box
Rooney............... 84.........................59.............................14
Chicharito........... 6...........................29............................ 12
Welbeck............. 14......................... 57..............................9
Berbatov............. 1...........................13..............................2

Now look at Rooney shots from inside the 6 yard box. Rooney played a whole 2839 minutes and had just 14 shots inside the 6 yard box. Chicharito played only 1477 and had 12 shots inside the box, almost as Rooney had.
[/b]


3. Shots outside of the box in 2011/2012
Rooney = every 33.8 mins
Chicharito= every 246.2 mins
Welbeck = every 144 minutes (Welbeck played on the wings too which boosted his shot outside the bix but nothing near Rooney's figure)
Berbatov= every 513 mins.





I will be back later. This says it all that Rooney played in the hole. Yori Yori.

coogar:


this is a fraudulent statistics!
rooney's low percentage of shots taken inside the box were spiked because of his ridiculous number of set plays he took as shots from outside the box.

rooney(43 shots) + 8 penalties
chicha(9 shots)
welbeck(10 shots)
berbatov(3 shots) + 2 penalties


the true statistic would count only the shots taken via open play & not include setplays....

coogar:


this illiterate does not understand the meaning of shots taken from set piece. hopefully, oshiomole would start adult education and help your IQ.

you are criminally obtuse!

elampiro:

Yesterday.
Today.
The devil's agent of lying at work.
Ayagayagayagayo hei, ayagayagayagayo.
..............................

Wouldnt it have been more dignifying if this Tortoise just admitted he didnt understand what his figures stood for? That he didnt understand the figures he paraded?

Name....Outside the box....Inside the box
Rooney........ 84................73
Chicharito......... 6.................41
Welbeck............14................66
Berbatov............1.................15

name.......outside the box.....inside the box
rooney.........81...................101

coogar:


idiocy is the only reason you would type this. you are trying to force evidence when there's none. the sentences are self explanatory.

rooney's low % of shots inside the box were skewed because of the shots he took outside the box(which included direct & indirect freekicks)

do you even understand setpieces include direct or indirect freekicks, corner kicks, etc. elampiro, you are not too old for adult education

11/12 season


09/10 season



so elampiro, did rooney also play in the hole in 09/10 to have taken a whooping 81 shots outside the box?

elampiro's mask of pretentious bullshyte has been ripped apart. you are a charlatan that deserves to be crucified.

coogar:

11/12 season


09/10 season



so elampiro, did rooney also play in the hole in 09/10 to have taken a whooping 81 shots outside the box?

elampiro's mask of pretentious bullshyte has been ripped apart. you are a charlatan that deserves to be crucified.

elampiro:

I should be the one asking you whether you understand English and stats? The gap was so much that it needed no debate but you were trying to find an excuse and it didnt work. The gap between Rooney and Hernadez was like the gap between heaven and earth.

Common sense should tell that Rooney had more shots inside the box in 2009 while he had more outside the box in 2011.

coogar:


duh!
the gap between them is as a result of the time they spent on the pitch.

•1400 mins - hernandez
•2800 mins - rooney

only a complete fool would expect rooney & hernandez to produce similar set of shots.

!

coogar:




this is stupidity!
in 2009, rooney was a lone striker. the burden of the goalscoring was entirely on his neck. in 2011, he had a strike partner. the burden of the goalscoring was shared between himself & chicha/welbeck/berbatov.

logic isn't your forte!